Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-13 Thread John R Pierce
> On the way, 64 bits machines, with Thunderbird like, micro-decoded > and 8086-compatible, very performant and inexpensive. Intel > product, 8086-incompatible ... the 86 architecture is a dinosaur, designed in 1978 to inherit features of the 8080 which was designed in 1973, and needs to di

RE: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-13 Thread Denis Cazor
>John R Pierce wrote >the P4 is likely gonna ramp up to 2GHz, 3Ghz and beyond faster and farther >than AMD can ramp up the Tbird. The problem with Intel, is they have difficulties to sustain AMD performance, so they wanted to announce higher frequencies, to be the first again. So they doubled t

RE: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-13 Thread Paul Leyland
> Well - perhaps we need something to attract new users - a new search > area which would provide short runs with rapid feedback, or some > "useful" work which slower systems might complete before they make > their journey to the landfill site. With respect to the message I > forwarded earlier

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jud McCranie
At 08:31 PM 2/12/2001 -0500, Jeff Woods wrote: >The 486 came in at, I think, 33 Mhz, and only went to the DX2, the 66 Mhz >model. I believe it did come out at 33, and the DX4 went to 100 MHz. The DX2 was 2x the original 33, the DX4 was 3X. +--

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread John R Pierce
> > > Pentium 60 MHz -> 200? MHz factor of 3.3 > > P55c (mmx) hit 233MHz, I believe, for almost 4X > > Was P55c for notebooks? the first desktop Pentiums were 60 MHz. P5 was original the 60-66Mhz Pentium w/ a 1x bus multiplier, and 5V I/O(I think?) P54 was the Pentium 75-200 MHz, using a 50

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread John R Pierce
> The original Pentium went to, I think, 266 Mhz. comprehensive list at http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/processors/quickreffam.htm _ Unsubscribe & list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm Mersenne Prime F

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jeff Woods
At 08:15 PM 2/11/01 -0500, you wrote: Examples (I think these numbers are about right): >8088 4.77 MHz -> 12 or 12 MHz, factor of about 2.3 >80286 6 MHz -> 20 MHz, factor of 2.5 >80386 16 MHz -> 40 MHz, factor of 2.5 >486 The 486 came in at, I think, 33 Mhz, and only went to the DX2, the 66 Mh

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jud McCranie
At 05:58 PM 2/11/2001 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > > Pentium 60 MHz -> 200? MHz factor of 3.3 > P55c (mmx) hit 233MHz, I believe, for almost 4X Was P55c for notebooks? the first desktop Pentiums were 60 MHz. >P6 architecture (which includes PPro, P2 and P3), > 166 - 1GHz+ (factor of 6

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Nathan Russell
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:29:01 -0500, you wrote: >>This frankly makes me wonder how much longer there will be a place in >>GIMPS for slower machines. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - after >>all, 486s and original pentiums were the workforce when GIMPS began, >>and I wouldn't feel comfortable w

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jud McCranie
At 04:21 PM 2/11/2001 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > the P4 is likely gonna ramp up to 2GHz, 3Ghz and beyond faster and farther >than AMD can ramp up the Tbird. Yes, most Intel chips max out at about 2.5 times their initial speed, and they expect the P4 clock speed to go up by at least a factor

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jud McCranie
At 07:07 PM 2/11/2001 -0500, Nathan Russell wrote: > My understanding is that they are designed to perform well for >graphical tasks; in my experience, people will buy even very expensive >computers if it improves the performance they see when doing graphical >tasks; gaming in particular comes t

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Brian J. Beesley
On 11 Feb 2001, at 18:17, Jeramy Ross wrote: > Nathan Russell wrote: > *snip* > > > This frankly makes me wonder how much longer there will be a place in > > GIMPS for slower machines. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - after > > all, 486s and original pentiums were the workforce when GIMPS be

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Brian Last-Name
>This frankly makes me wonder how much longer there will be a place in >GIMPS for slower machines. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - after >all, 486s and original pentiums were the workforce when GIMPS began, >and I wouldn't feel comfortable with the amount of opportunity for >error involved in

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread Jean Flinois
>De : "Jud McCranie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >À : "Nathan Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Think recursively( Think recursively( Think recursively)) | > ...(stripped)... No offence meant, but this hurts my feeling of recursivity... maybe something like : Think_recursively(){if (!enough_thinking_do

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-12 Thread John R Pierce
> 486 ?? 25->100MHz, factor of 4 > Pentium 60 MHz -> 200? MHz factor of 3.3 P55c (mmx) hit 233MHz, I believe, for almost 4X > other pentiums ?? P6 architecture (which includes PPro, P2 and P3), 166 - 1GHz+ (factor of 6+) __

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-11 Thread John R Pierce
> I wonder how many people are going to have P4s. Presently, the Athlon is > faster for most things, and cheaper. I don't know if the P4 will pull > ahead of AMD chips for most things, so will people buy them? the P4 is likely gonna ramp up to 2GHz, 3Ghz and beyond faster and farther than AMD c

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-11 Thread Jeramy Ross
Nathan Russell wrote: *snip* > This frankly makes me wonder how much longer there will be a place in > GIMPS for slower machines. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - after > all, 486s and original pentiums were the workforce when GIMPS began, > and I wouldn't feel comfortable with the amount of

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-11 Thread Nathan Russell
Jud, you wrote: >I wonder how many people are going to have P4s. Presently, the Athlon is >faster for most things, and cheaper. I don't know if the P4 will pull >ahead of AMD chips for most things, so will people buy them? My understanding is that they are designed to perform well for graphi

Re: Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-11 Thread Jud McCranie
At 06:12 PM 2/11/2001 -0500, Nathan Russell wrote: >Additionally, the P4 is only going to get faster in the next year or >two. > >This frankly makes me wonder how much longer there will be a place in >GIMPS for slower machines. I wonder how many people are going to have P4s. Presently, the Athl

Mersenne: P4 speed and implications thereof

2001-02-11 Thread Nathan Russell
Let's assume that the P4 is, as George estimates, capable of doing the 512K FFT at 0.04 iterations per second. In this case, with some back-of-the-envelope calculations, I estimate that a thousand P4s (which might well be on PrimeNet in a year, or a little more - the P4 is approaching the statu