Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Robert Brenstein
I have a library of custom handlers that I load at startup in both MC and Rev. One of my handlers reports the mainstacks that are currently loaded in memory. When I run this handler in MC, there are at most only a couple of stacks from the IDE listed, but in Rev, it is difficult to find my own

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Robert Brenstein
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: So putting it just as bluntly, that there is a perception of MC's value is reason enough. If that perception changes over time the MC engine will whither away naturally. There should be no need to force change, and doing so would not

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Simon lord
Agreed. I tried to give Rev an honest chance this weekend and got totally frustrated with all the palettes. I was genuinely happy to see support for MySQL and other items I need but the interface simply turned me off and I had to use MC in the end. It's not that I didn't understand the

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Ben Rubinstein
on 7/21/03 3:10 PM, Simon lord wrote Maybe Kevin will add a pref dialog that allows us to decide what palettes and menus we want to see in our work environment. That would help considerably and I don't see it as being that difficult to provide. [...snip...] On Monday, July 21, 2003, at 09:10

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Simon lord
Not that I'm here to speak for RunRev or anything (and for all I know those folks may know of a reason why this suggestion is a very bad idea); but if you're interested in things like the database support, but find the interface too rcih/in your face, have you tried the Suspend Development

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ben Rubinstein wrote: Maybe that is the way forward for those who will want to continue to upgrade to new engines etc, benefit from the additional libraries, but use their own or the classic MetaCard UI. It might even be possible to formalise this in a future version of Rev - eg have

RE: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-21 Thread Monte Goulding
I once considered writing a Rev plugin called GhostCard, which would emulate the UI of the dead HyperCard: When activated, the Rev IDE is suspended and replaced with a black-and-white UI that emulates the Hypercard expoerience. You could only work with one image, only select one

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-12 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 10:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: several good examples of how MC is simpler than Rev omitted These are very minor examples, none of which are crucial or insurmountable. I can customize my way out of the first two of them easily. But the lean IDE in MC has its

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-12 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: So putting it just as bluntly, that there is a perception of MC's value is reason enough. If that perception changes over time the MC engine will whither away naturally. There should be no need to force change, and doing so would

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-12 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/12/03 10:02 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Then I don't understand all the talk of customizing MC. If it's near perfect (for those who like simplicity) the way it is, let it stay that way. It won't take a team effort to keep it compatible with any foreseeable changes to the engine. I don't

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-12 Thread Pierre Sahores
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 20:04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/12/03 10:02 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: -- snip -- For those who prefer MC's simplicity, I don't see any harm in continuing to assure it is compatible with the most current Rev engine. People will still have to purchase Revolution to

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/11/03 12:03 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Out of curiosity, what is it that the MetaCard development environment has that the Revolution environment doesn't? Or, what is it that MetaCard _doesn't_ have that can't be hidden or done away with in Revolution? The second statement is more likely on

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-11 Thread Shari
But for those who have been using MC for a long time, the extra palettes, libraries, and interface elements can get in the way. Someone mentioned speed, and that's a consideration too; it does take somewhat longer for Rev's palettes to load and display their data -- noticeably more time than

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/11/03 1:01 PM, Shari wrote: This brings up a question. I remember when I initially tested Rev vs. MC, Rev required a LOT more memory. Now if I have a project, and compile it in Rev, and MC, will it require more memory in Rev? The extra RAM is mostly for the IDE. Once your stacks become

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Tereza Snyder
on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Things we need to decide: - Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project? With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it gets my vote, but there may be things I'm overlooking. - If so, is it simpler to

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Tereza Snyder wrote: on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Things we need to decide: - Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project? With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it gets my vote, but there may be things I'm overlooking. -

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Mark Talluto
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Tereza Snyder wrote: on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Things we need to decide: - Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project? With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Talluto wrote: I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? That's a good question. I'm well invested in a nice workflow with nifty quick tools I've added, so I'm inclined to keep that workflow in place for the

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Mark Talluto wrote: I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? I can't say how long we'll stay with the MC IDE (can anyone really?), but I can say we're willing to contribute to its development now. Regards,

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: I would be happy to contribute to the maintenance of the IDE going forward, and would like to see simpler extensibility as a first step (after we get a list set up to make it happen, of course). Great suggestion! I think Richard won't mind me mentioning the

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 7/9/03 3:34 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? Don't know what the future may bring, but I'd like to remain involved with the MC IDE regardless. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Klaus Major
Hi MetaCarders, Recently, Mark Talluto wrote: I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? I can't say how long we'll stay with the MC IDE (can anyone really?), but I can say we're willing to contribute to its development

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

2003-07-09 Thread Pierre Sahores
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 22:34, Mark Talluto wrote: On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Tereza Snyder wrote: on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Things we need to decide: - Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project?