RE: NT question launching programs
# > I've solve all the program launching problems I had (on # windows). But on # > Windows NT when I launch a program using the shell command, # sometimes Metacard # > is stuck waiting until I close that program - which is not # very handy... Im # > using cmd.exe already... # > # > Does anyone know a work around? # # Can you use open process instead? Well, in a previous post, I had mentioned that no other command worked consistently. Someone told me that I had to use the directory global to set up the path to the directory of the application (because even the full path didn't work) and since then I've managed a consistent application launching on WinX (any windows: 98 or NT or 2K). Open Process does NOT work consistently on WinNT as far as I've tried (and I've tried A LOT to find the consistencies of which I found none). The directory didn't seem to improve things either. Last but not least, I need to launch these commands with parameters as in DOS, so Open Process will not help... So when one command works, why does the shell command stay stuck on receiving a message if there is none? Maybe cmd.exe doesn't return anything and it hangs waiting... Maybe my question should be: Is there a way to tell the shell command that it's just a one way call? Cheers, Xavier Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: NT question launching programs
On 27/9/00 7:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've solve all the program launching problems I had (on windows). But on > Windows NT when I launch a program using the shell command, sometimes Metacard > is stuck waiting until I close that program - which is not very handy... Im > using cmd.exe already... > > Does anyone know a work around? Can you use open process instead? Regards, Kevin > Thanks > Xavier Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.runrev.com/> Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
NT question launching programs
Title: Newbie Question - Player volume I've solve all the program launching problems I had (on windows). But on Windows NT when I launch a program using the shell command, sometimes Metacard is stuck waiting until I close that program - which is not very handy... Im using cmd.exe already... Does anyone know a work around? Thanks Xavier
Re: NT ?
>I have a MC program written in 2.2.5. A potential user contacted me >to ask if it would run okay under Win NT 4.0 sp6. Has anyone had >any experience with MC on NT machines? > Yes, indeed it does, I use NT on a daily basis for testing out the Windows platform. My students download the stacks (course ware for language studies) from Internet and they report back using Windows 95, 98 and NT. The stacks are also tested on Mac 68k and PowerPC (the last is my daily work station). I am very happy with MetaCard (despite a rather steep learning phase for me as a longtime SuperCard scripter). Regards Signe Marie Sanne --- 1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Romansk Institutttel: +47 55 58 21 27 Oysteins gt. 1 5007 Bergen http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/default.html Norway --- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: NT ?
I run Metacard to manage disk space and production server applications in an ultra-secured environment with NT4 sp5, NT2k, Metaframe, PCA9, and it runs like a charm. The res kit can be easily controlled. Saves a lot cmds! SP6 is just around the corner on some of our servers so I haven't tried it yet, but it shouldn't be a problem. Haven't tried W2kSP1 either... cheers, Xavier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Raney > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: NT ? > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I have a MC program written in 2.2.5. A potential user > contacted me to ask if it would run okay under Win NT 4.0 sp6. > Has anyone had any experience with MC on NT machines? > > That's the platform the Win32 engine is developed on, and so in > general should be the most reliable of the Win32 platforms to run > MetaCard on. > Regards, > Scott > > > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com > MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... > > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: NT ?
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have a MC program written in 2.2.5. A potential user contacted me to ask if it >would run okay under Win NT 4.0 sp6. Has anyone had any experience with MC on NT >machines? That's the platform the Win32 engine is developed on, and so in general should be the most reliable of the Win32 platforms to run MetaCard on. Regards, Scott Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
NT ?
I have a MC program written in 2.2.5. A potential user contacted me to ask if it would run okay under Win NT 4.0 sp6. Has anyone had any experience with MC on NT machines? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
RE: problems launching programs on Windows (NT or 98)
problem solved (somewhat).
on winNT you have to use the pushD and popD before and after the command you
launch. It works for the cmd bat I made. Not yet for the MetaCard
implementation but I'll nail it!
For example this works...
pushD c:\adsm\baclient
c:\adsm\baclient\dsm.exe
popd
it still doesn't work running directly from MC but with the cmd next to MC
it works great... (this aint a Mac, that's for sure!)
Xavier
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# Sent: 18 September 2000 10:39
# To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Subject: problems launching programs on Windows (NT or 98)
#
#
#
# - I made a DragThing equivalent on the PC to launch my
# programs... BUT!
# depending on the programs, they run or they dont...
#
# This is mostly on Windows NT. I've set the commandshell to cmd.exe
#
# For example the basic DHCPMgr.exe, UsrMgr.exe, EventVwr.exe
# are no problem
# with Open Process command.
# All these tests are made running inside a MetaFrame window
# but we never have
# problems in production with that so I dont assume it's
# related. Let me know
# if you need the versions.
# Another Program called ADSM wont even run telling me that
# there is a missing
# language. I made sure that I copied the path just like in the
# shortcuts i
# made in my desktop but it doesn't work consistently at all.
# Most other commands launched with the shell command for the
# NTResKit work
# great.
# But the worst is the CMD.exe which just never works even with get
# shell("cmd") or it's full path or the NT %systemroot%...
# neither... I tried
# open process too to no avail. Is there something Im missing?
# -- open process "cmd.exe"
# -- open process "c:/winnt/system32/cmd.exe"
# -- get shell("cmd")
# -- open process "%SystemRoot%/system32/cmd.exe"
# -- get SHELL("%SystemRoot%/system32/cmd.exe")
#
# with Open Process "Eventvwr.exe", I have to quit the first
# program so that
# the second launches (i clicked twice to open a second eventvwr.)
# With get shell("... usrmgr") the second click never finishes
# and the button
# waits for the script to be canceled even though the UsrMgr is
# opened. Same
# thing also as with EventVwr to run a second session of the program.
#
# lastly if I click on these launcher buttons to launch a program that's
# already open, it wont bring forward the program... any ideas
# on how to do
# this?
#
# On windows 98, the problem is nearly worse. I try to launch
# Quake 3 with a
# Quake 3 configuration manager but never managed either with
# open process or
# through the shell...
#
# So the questions that I have and that are not explained in
# the manual are:
# - Do you absolutely need the program's path into the path environment
# variable?
# - Is there a )(*@$)(%* standard way to consistently launch
# windows programs
# (like Apple Scripts?)
# - Anyone have a fool proof command to do this?
#
# Thanks in advance
# Xavier frustrated
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problems launching programs on Windows (NT or 98)
- I made a DragThing equivalent on the PC to launch my programs... BUT!
depending on the programs, they run or they dont...
This is mostly on Windows NT. I've set the commandshell to cmd.exe
For example the basic DHCPMgr.exe, UsrMgr.exe, EventVwr.exe are no problem
with Open Process command.
All these tests are made running inside a MetaFrame window but we never have
problems in production with that so I dont assume it's related. Let me know
if you need the versions.
Another Program called ADSM wont even run telling me that there is a missing
language. I made sure that I copied the path just like in the shortcuts i
made in my desktop but it doesn't work consistently at all.
Most other commands launched with the shell command for the NTResKit work
great.
But the worst is the CMD.exe which just never works even with get
shell("cmd") or it's full path or the NT %systemroot%... neither... I tried
open process too to no avail. Is there something Im missing?
-- open process "cmd.exe"
-- open process "c:/winnt/system32/cmd.exe"
-- get shell("cmd")
-- open process "%SystemRoot%/system32/cmd.exe"
-- get SHELL("%SystemRoot%/system32/cmd.exe")
with Open Process "Eventvwr.exe", I have to quit the first program so that
the second launches (i clicked twice to open a second eventvwr.)
With get shell("... usrmgr") the second click never finishes and the button
waits for the script to be canceled even though the UsrMgr is opened. Same
thing also as with EventVwr to run a second session of the program.
lastly if I click on these launcher buttons to launch a program that's
already open, it wont bring forward the program... any ideas on how to do
this?
On windows 98, the problem is nearly worse. I try to launch Quake 3 with a
Quake 3 configuration manager but never managed either with open process or
through the shell...
So the questions that I have and that are not explained in the manual are:
- Do you absolutely need the program's path into the path environment
variable?
- Is there a )(*@$)(%* standard way to consistently launch windows programs
(like Apple Scripts?)
- Anyone have a fool proof command to do this?
Thanks in advance
Xavier frustrated
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Re: CD-Rewritable for UNIX/NT
On 14/9/00 12:36 pm, LORI FRAIND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we're deploying on Windows 98/NT and UNIX systems, do we need to write > two separate CDs, one from each of the two different OSes? No - you can either burn a dual partition CD or a CD in a format that both systems can read (as far as I remember ISO 9660, for example, will work on both). Regards, Kevin > Thanks. > > Lori C. Fraind > Delex Systems, Inc. > (703) 734-8300 x310 Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.runrev.com/> Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
CD-Rewritable for UNIX/NT
If we're deploying on Windows 98/NT and UNIX systems, do we need to write two separate CDs, one from each of the two different OSes? Thanks. Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: NT and serial ports
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Jeff Reynolds wrote: > Has anyone had problems with Metacard on NT with sending things out the > serial ports? I have a program that was running fine on win95/98, but > doesnt seem to be sending or receiving serial commands correctly now > under NT. Going to go and look at the installation tommorow, but thought > I would check to see if anyone else has had problems with MC, NT and the > serial ports. > > ive tried rebuilding the app with 2.3.1 gamma and the problem is still > there. There are permissions issues with serial ports on NT. You can set it up so that it won't let just any user monkey around with them. Maybe try it when logged in as the administrator. Regards, Scott > cheers, > > jeff > > > Jeffrey H. Reynolds, Ph.D. > Waveforms > 5236 Locksley Ave. > Oakland, CA 94618 > 510.653.8929 voice > 510.653.8909 fax > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
NT and serial ports
Has anyone had problems with Metacard on NT with sending things out the serial ports? I have a program that was running fine on win95/98, but doesnt seem to be sending or receiving serial commands correctly now under NT. Going to go and look at the installation tommorow, but thought I would check to see if anyone else has had problems with MC, NT and the serial ports. ive tried rebuilding the app with 2.3.1 gamma and the problem is still there. cheers, jeff Jeffrey H. Reynolds, Ph.D. Waveforms 5236 Locksley Ave. Oakland, CA 94618 510.653.8929 voice 510.653.8909 fax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
Re: Win NT Network MC Issues?
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Peter Reid wrote: > I'm considering developing some educational material for deployment > on networks such as those based on NT Server and NT Workstations. > Are there any issues related to installing either a standalone exe > built with MC or with a server mounted copy of the Player and a > series of MC stacks? Can multiple workstations run the Player from a > Server and similarly can multiple workstations run a standalone on a > Server? Yes. The only issue with running on a server is saving (which you can't do to standalones anyway). If you need to save data from each workstation, just be sure that each workstation or user has their own file name or directory to save into. Regards, Scott > Thanks for any input. > > Cheers > Peter > > Peter Reid > Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK > Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk > > PLEASE NOTE NEW FAX NUMBER FROM 12/12/1999 > > This is the MetaCard mailing list. > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ > Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Win NT Network MC Issues?
Hi I'm considering developing some educational material for deployment on networks such as those based on NT Server and NT Workstations. Are there any issues related to installing either a standalone exe built with MC or with a server mounted copy of the Player and a series of MC stacks? Can multiple workstations run the Player from a Server and similarly can multiple workstations run a standalone on a Server? Thanks for any input. Cheers Peter Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk PLEASE NOTE NEW FAX NUMBER FROM 12/12/1999 This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Re: Metacard on Window NT
At 3:00 PM + 14/9/1999, Christoph Wollek wrote: >I am not an expert on Windows and not at all an networks. My question to >our experts: >does Metacard run under win NT? >I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT >the program hung up totally. >(The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) >Thanks to everybody, giving a hint. >CW Just a thought. Did you you transfer the program by CD? Do any of the files have to be written to? If so, the CD transfer may have made them read-only, which could explain the hanging. I know this because I experienced it last week. :( Hugh Senior wrote: >Hanging suggests lack of brain cells to me. In my case, that's for sure. :) Cheers Dave Cragg
Metacard on Window NT
I am not an expert on Windows and not at all an networks. My question to our experts: does Metacard run under win NT? I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT the program hung up totally. (The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) Thanks to everybody, giving a hint. CW
Re: Metacard on Window NT
Hugh Senior wrote:
[re app hanging on nt]
> I'm no NT expert either, but I have been using the NT/MC combination daily
> for over a year with no problems. Applications developed under NT have also
> worked flawlessly on all client machines (NT, 95, 98) including server
> delivery over their networks.
Yes... What I have found with another tool is that apps developed under
NT will work on other Win32, but apps developed on other Win32 will not
necessarily work with NT.
For instance if one is using 16-bit external C code objects, they'll
probably function adequately under 9x, but fail under NT.
And if any part of your code attempts to access hardware directly, NT
will kill it, since that is strictly forbidden in the microkernel
architecture.
Also, as Scott mentioned, securities and permissions are important.
Also, NTFS-formatted drive slices > 4 Gb in size might be incorrectly
reporting themselves to your app, causing it to hang up while it tries
to figure out how to run on a drive with something like -2584629593 Mb
available.
A rule of thumb to *always* follow with app development is "port early,
port often". Assuming that just because an app works on one system it
will work on all is a costly mistake. For instance I'd bet you're
looking at a completed app here. Deconstructing it to find the source of
the trouble could take many times longer than it would have done to just
go back and forth as you built, confirming functionality. (Ouch.)
I know that MS claims, more or less, that the Win32 API is consistent
across their 3.75 flavors of it, but Microsoft, inarguably, is staffed
by liars. You can't trust anything they tell you.
I don't know that anyone's going to be able to help you find the
problem... at least not without some more details, such as where the app
is hanging, how "hard" it's hung, system environment ("Win98" is not a
description of a system environment) and so on...
--WthmO
Re: Metacard on Window NT
>I am not an expert on Windows and not at all an networks. My question to >our experts: >does Metacard run under win NT? >I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT >the program hung up totally. >(The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) >Thanks to everybody, giving a hint. >CW I'm no NT expert either, but I have been using the NT/MC combination daily for over a year with no problems. Applications developed under NT have also worked flawlessly on all client machines (NT, 95, 98) including server delivery over their networks. Sorry, but it works. Scot et al will surely point to an answer, but the amount of available memory does come to mind... I believe NT requires about twice as much as win95/98 to run programs, so 4Mb available on your machine would need to be 8Mb on theirs. Hanging suggests lack of brain cells to me. (I now wait to be blasted out of the water) /H Hugh Senior The Flexible Learning Company Consultant Programming Voice/Fax: +44.[0]1483.27 87 27 eMail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.flexibleLearning.com
RE: Metacard on Window NT
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Wollek) >Subject: Metacard on Window NT >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:35 + > >..does Metacard run under win NT? >I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT >the program hung up totally. >(The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) Sorry, I don't now the problem in your case but my experience with MetaCard under NT are: * runs perfectly * it takes longer to open a stack (vs. win95) * if doesn't display UniCode characters (vs. japanese win95) And I don't now if this is special only to NT. Sometimes on a certain PC there is problem refreshing stacks (colors). Maybe that's just a problem of an old graphic driver. Regards, Ulf
Re: Metacard on Window NT
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Christoph Wollek wrote: > I am not an expert on Windows and not at all an networks. My question to > our experts: > does Metacard run under win NT? > I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT > the program hung up totally. > (The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) There should be no problem running under NT, and in fact it is much less likely to cause problems there. Screen and printer driver bugs are incredibly common on Windows 98 (much more so than on Windows 95 or NT), and we get regular reports of problems displaying images and even crashing on Windows 98 (the crashes always point to some module named X.DRV, which is a Windows driver). Setting acceleration to its lowest level using the Display control panel eliminates the problems in all cases we know of. What's even more amazing is that these bugs occur even in some of the sample apps and games that are bundled on the Windows 98 installation CD! And just to get this into the archives, we've had several reports of problems installing the Starter Kit on Windows 98. In all of these cases, the problem is that there are too many files in some standard Windows directory (the root directory, the \Windows directory, or more commonly the \Windows\Temp directory). You might look out for this if any of your users report trouble installing your package, or if you ever have trouble installing some other app on Windows 98. As for your NT problem, I'd check for some differences in where the program is installed or what system resources it's accessing. While not as common as under UNIX, it's not unusual for a program to fail under NT because it's mucking around with the registry or some system file or directory that the current user doesn't have permission to access. Regards, Scott > Thanks to everybody, giving a hint. > CW > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...
Re: Metacard on Window NT
On Tuesday, Sept 14 1999, Christoph Wollek wrote: > I am not an expert on Windows and not at all an networks. My question to > our experts: > does Metacard run under win NT? Yes. You can deploy on Windows NT using exactly the same engine as the one for Windows 95/98. > I developed a standalone with win 98, but a friend told me, under win NT > the program hung up totally. > (The standalone gets text from other stacks in the same folder.) Check that you're using 2.2.5. If you are and are still having a problem, please send me an example off-list. Regards, Kevin > Thanks to everybody, giving a hint. > CW Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.xworlds.com/> Cross Worlds Computing, MetaCard Distributors, Custom Development. Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.
