Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-15 Thread Jeff Grossman via Meteorite-list
No, the DCAs will simply require coordinates, like everywhere else. The proof condition is dropped. The NWA 9000s will be skipped. Believe it or not, nobody has submitted a request to reclassify Al Hag 001 or its siblings. Has there been a paper published on it? All I'm finding are

Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

2015-02-14 Thread Jeff Grossman via Meteorite-list
To amplify on Carl's response... For the past 15 years, any meteorite from this region (except falls) would get an NWA number unless there was compelling documentation of the coordinates of the find. This might include a photo of the meteorite in situ with an active GPS. But this was rarely

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : New Type Classification (E-Melt)

2014-06-07 Thread Jeff Grossman via Meteorite-list
I wouldn't get too excited about this. Lots of enstatite meteorites (chondrites and achondrites) are melt rocks and melt breccias, and they've been described for decades by Alan Rubin and others, e.g. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703796003353

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Off-Line - Traffic Overload

2014-04-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
. And I took the liberty of editing Peter's email when I answer it. And I just did it again. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com Cc: Jeff Grossman jgross

Re: [meteorite-list] petrological type

2014-04-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
Answer: you can't. The classification scheme is lousy. Jeff On 4/11/2014 1:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: Two sequences, one for aqueous alteration and one for thermal metamorphism (http://www.meteoritemarket.com/PetTypeGroup.jpg). Makes one wonder how we would classify a meteorite that is

Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

2014-04-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, Alan and I would call this object a real meteorite, but not tektites, which never escaped from Earth's gravity well. It's a bit of a stretch and model dependent, but in a way, lunar meteorites may be considered as this type of meteorite. Jeff On 4/8/2014 7:18 AM, Peter Scherff wrote:

Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

2014-04-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
... well, on second thought, it's too much if a stretch since nothing of the original texture and mineralogy suggesting an Earth origin remains in lunar meteorites... so scratch that. On 4/8/2014 1:38 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, Alan and I would call this object a real meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite

2014-04-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
be considered an artificial body? 2) I am 99.9% sure that the word itself refers to the meteorite (as opposed to the body on which the meteorite lands). Correct? Mendy Ouzillou From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent

Re: [meteorite-list] The scientific importance of subtype 3.00 meteorites and oxygen isotope analysis

2014-03-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mendy and list, My comments: Oxygen: I would say that O isotope heterogeneity as described here is not a good measure of metamorphism. Oxygen heterogeneity in these objecbulk samplests will be a function of sample size, as fine matrix grains equilibrate much more quickly than coarse ones. If

Re: [meteorite-list] Metbull down?

2014-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
If somebody told me about it, it would have been back up earlier! Write next time... Jeff On 3/13/2014 7:43 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: The Met Bulletin appears to be back up and running normally. :) __ Visit the Archives at

Re: [meteorite-list] C3 Typo Corrected

2014-01-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
Actually, there is no such thing as CV3-ung. If it's CV, it's grouped. The MetBull lists this as CV3-anomalous, and from the two abstracts I can find on it, I'm not entirely convinced it's anomalous, but maybe. It's at the high end of the CV oxygen isotope trend and closely resembles

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

2014-01-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
Two things: Many meteorites are heterogeneous. When we say Katol is L6 or NWA 869 is L3-6 or Almahata Sitta is an anomalous urelite, these are collective terms. Katol refers to everything that fell that day in India. It has been classified as L6. However, it is possible (and for Almahata

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

2014-01-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
It would probably be best not to use a lithologic term in a numbering scheme. Some specimens may defy such a descriptor, and in other cases it may simply be hard to tell what it is at the time of numbering. And it would really be good not to use numbers in the same format as dense collection

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

2014-01-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Can't resist doing some arm-chair science... usually a bad move, but oh well... I'll probably end up retracting much of this speculation... There IS something strange about this meteorite to me. I don't know how good the XRF analysis is, but it is not what I would

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

2014-01-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mike's photo in posted in the database now. Jeff On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Hi Anne! One can not post pictures in the proper place using the EOM method. They all go into the uncertain category. Jeff places them in the correct areasomething an EOM member can not do.

[meteorite-list] Most searched meteorites of 2013

2013-12-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
All, Here are the top 10 meteorite searches from the MetBull database in 2013, in decreasing order of popularity. Sikhote-Alin (Iron, IIAB) Chelyabinsk (LL5) Northwest Africa 7325 (Achondrite-ung) Hoba (Iron, IVB) Fukang (Pallasite, PMG) Northwest Africa 7034 (Martian (basaltic breccia))

Re: [meteorite-list] Most searched meteorites of 2013

2013-12-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: All, Here are the top 10 meteorite searches from the MetBull database in 2013, in decreasing order of popularity. Sikhote-Alin (Iron, IIAB) Chelyabinsk (LL5) Northwest Africa 7325 (Achondrite-ung) Hoba (Iron, IVB) Fukang

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

2013-12-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
Can't resist doing some arm-chair science... usually a bad move, but oh well... I'll probably end up retracting much of this speculation... There IS something strange about this meteorite to me. I don't know how good the XRF analysis is, but it is not what I would expect from an L

[meteorite-list] NWA 869 classification and description

2013-10-29 Thread Jeff Grossman
Many here will be interested that I just released a revised classification and description of NWA 869 in the MetBull Database. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?code=31890 Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Exploring the Solar System in Antarctica (NWA vs Antarctica)

2013-10-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
50% is not even close. I counted the peer-reviewed papers in the 2012 volume of MAPS. In the 58 non-review papers that reported analyses of physical samples of meteorites, 52% used falls, 12% used non-desert finds, 24% used hot desert meteorites, and 28% used Antarctic meteorites. (this

Re: [meteorite-list] Exploring the Solar System in Antarctica (NWA vs Antarctica)

2013-10-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
As I've pointed out a number of times before, the scientific impact of past research on Antarctic meteorites vastly outweighs that of work on Saharan and other warm-desert meteorites. The reasons for this are historical and curatorial. And as a person who has done a lot of research on

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bull

2013-10-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
If it is the Meteoritical Bulletin you are seeking, it hasn't been at the USGS for 3 years, although the old address does redirect. The current address is: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php Jeff On 10/5/2013 9:46 AM, Steve Richey wrote: Clear your browser cache Jim, it ain't

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Major NWA Update, 75 new approvals, many achondrites

2013-09-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
Actually, Taoudenni was approved in 2010, and the provisional name NWA 5178 was assigned in 2008. NomCom was not aware that the provisional name and Taoudenni referred to the same meteorite until it was reported to us this week. Jeff On 9/7/2013 4:38 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi

Re: [meteorite-list] New Antarctic Beauties---want

2013-09-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
I'm happy to add images to the Bulletin. We don't usually get them. Jeff On 9/1/2013 7:38 AM, karmaka wrote: Hi Jim, I'm very sorry if the term 'picture book' was misleading. With this word I was referring to the great photos that are included in the met bull entries of the more interesting

Re: [meteorite-list] New Antarctic Beauties---want

2013-09-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
I can find no instructions and it's not on the proposal form to do this. Thanks! Jim On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com mailto:jngross...@gmail.com wrote: I'm happy to add images to the Bulletin. We don't usually get them. Jeff On 9/1/2013 7:38

Re: [meteorite-list] Dunite meteorites?

2013-07-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
Oh, there are other ureilites with at least 90% olivine. A very quick search finds that Singletary and Grove (2003) list GRA 95205 and GRO 95575 with 94% and 90% olivine, respectively. Jeff On 7/24/2013 6:29 PM, Greg Hupé wrote: Hi All who showed interest so far in the 'only' Dunitic

Re: [meteorite-list] Darth Vader in Met Bulletin?!

2013-07-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
or as finder, or refer to you in the write-up. Here is the one Adam already filled out: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullCollectionInfo.php?coll=AHupe Jeff On 7/13/2013 2:35 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: I think they may be testing a new feature in the database. Jeff Grossman is adding some

Re: [meteorite-list] RENAMING OF NWA 5435 L4-5 (prov.) TO NWA 3999 (prov.) IN MET. BUL.

2013-07-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Fabien, I think this is an error compounding another error. NWA 6435 was never assigned to your diogenite. It was assigned to the 444 g brachinite with field name K-134, now known as NWA 5435. K091 (235 g) was assigned the provisional number NWA 5133 in 2008 and was classified by Ted Bunch

Re: [meteorite-list] World's Largest Meteorites by Type

2013-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just to back up what Carl said, MetBull is not decades behind... it may be decades out of date though. MetBull does not attempt to log new discoveries of additional pieces of meteorites, so it is not behind in this task. It is, in general, a one-time publication with a date on it, like a

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
This is a long thread and I haven't read all of it. But here are the facts about provisional names and approvals of new meteorites: Provisional names are ONLY given to meteorites from dense collection areas. The reason is that the geographic part of the name is already agreed upon. The

Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining Asteroids for Platinum)

2013-04-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining Asteroids for Platinum) I just did my own

Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining Asteroids for Platinum)

2013-04-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
I just did my own calculation... at pure metal prices, I find most chondrites are worth around $100/metric ton, with Pt dominating the calculation. Of the major groups of carbonaceous, ordinary, and enstatite chondrites, H chondrites are worth the most... I get $162/ton ($80 of which is Pt,

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
A strength of the splashing model is that it can explain why chondrules are mostly between 1.5 and 2.5MYr younger than CAI The sentence should read older, no younger. Dr. Jeff Grossman, would love to hear your thoughts on this paper. Mendy Ouzillou

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
responses! Argh. Jim Wooddell On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: I second what Alan wrote, at the 90% level. With my remaining finger, I'll add that the worst problem may be that these molten planetesimals must magically keep metallic and silicate

Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00

2013-03-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
Ok, take a deep breath. It took years of research on Semarkona to understand its properties. It is clear that this one has some similar properties, but it will take serious research to fully understand how the two compare. Also, Semarkona is a very well preserved fall, with virtually no

Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00

2013-03-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are actually many carbonaceous chondrites that have experienced, most likely, less heating than Semarkona. That includes nearly every CR and most CM chondrites. Semarkona's reign is over the OC kingdom. Jeff Sent from my iPad On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net

Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00

2013-03-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
There has been discussion in the literature about how Semarkona is ever so slightly more heated than things like CR chondrites, and so you will find mention of elevating its petrologic type by a few hundredths. But this is very qualitative. It is still a type 3.00 using the scheme of Grossman

Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00

2013-03-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
in the know...have these been initially classified with lesser x.xx distinction and will possibly be revisited with further research-class-distinguishing-techniques not explored before the initial classifications? Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman

Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00

2013-03-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
. C., Jr. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/1547.pdf Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] chondrite ungrouped

2013-02-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
An ungrouped chondrite is a chondrite with properties that do not fit into the existing named groups. Right now, this means it is not an H, L, LL, R, CI, CM, CV, CO, CK, CH, CB, CR, EH, or EL chondrite. It is something different. There are many ungrouped carbonaceous chondrites, and number of

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - EL's and OC's

2013-02-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
Why is this a problem? -jeff On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same group of stones. EL6, two stones and same classifiers. I don't get it ... Mendy Ouzillou On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks

Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034

2013-01-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Meteorite group names are not invented by NomCom, and certainly not by NASA. The come from usage in the scientific literature. I think we have to remember why names like shergottite and nakhlite came into being. Scientists like to group similar things to help bring order to chaos. When you

Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034

2013-01-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034

2013-01-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
I'm not sure if the message below got sent... getting weird bounce messages fr On 1/5/2013 9:25 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the last three are types of finds. Jeff On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: In all seriousness, I

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered are these, and the definitions are first passes: Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2013-01-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the last three are types of finds. Jeff On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered

Re: [meteorite-list] Smallest Meteorite

2012-12-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are several other very small meteorites... Khatyrka, announced in June. Although it is listed as 0.1 g in the MB database, if you read the text, you see that there are only 10 particles, all 1 mm. These could well have an actual cumulative mass of 10 mg. Hadley Rille: a named

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 New African Approvals (Acfer and NWA)

2012-11-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, sounds like a mistake. I'll investigate. Jeff On 11/8/2012 2:26 PM, jason utas wrote: Hello MIke, Perusing the data, I noticed the following phrase in the description of the EL5: Opaque phases are mainly kamacite and troilite, almost completely weathered to iron oxides. -- And yet, the

Re: [meteorite-list] Orionoid micrometeorites

2012-10-23 Thread Jeff Grossman
In confirmation of what Chris responded, this comes from Mike Zolensky, who studies cosmic dust and curates the NASA collection. -jeff Hi Brandon I can take a stab at answering your questions. Many persons have tried this experiment in the past, and invariably they have found that the collected

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM

2012-09-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
I am not an expert in this area, but the way I understand it, the Code of Federal Regulations, which have the force of law, grant certain agencies regulatory authority in certain areas. The new BLM policy cites the sections of the CFR under which they are claiming authority to regulate the

Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules

2012-09-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
All, For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to oversight of curation and research programs. I will be reading all posts on the list pertaining to this issue. Jeff On 9/20/2012 6:37 PM, Jim

Re: [meteorite-list] The ultimate Type Collection List

2012-09-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
No, olivine diogenite is a classification that is accepted for the Met Bull, and there are several in press in MB100. I remind everybody that there is no such thing as official nomenclature [of meteorite classifications]. The nomcom tends to be conservative, and generally does not start

[meteorite-list] Fall champion

2012-08-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Who out there is the luckiest person when it comes to being in the right place at the right time? How many recovered meteorite falls have you (A) witnessed to fall or (B) have fallen within, say, 30 km of your location at the time of fall? My fall number (A+B) is a pathetic 0+1=1. I wonder

Re: [meteorite-list] Fall champion

2012-08-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
experience with other falls that I see meteorites that fell only a few days ago, but as of the time of this writing no one has actually seen meteorites first-hand (or at least reported it yet). Cheers, Marc Fries On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Who out there is the luckiest

Re: [meteorite-list] Vernacular of Meteorite

2012-08-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here is how Rubin and Grossman (2010) [MAPS 45, 114-122] dealt with this: Another difficult situation arises when considering projectiles that strike a spacecraft. For example, publications reporting on the Long Duration Exposure Facility (LDEF), which was exposed to interplanetary space in

Re: [meteorite-list] Vernacular of Meteorite

2012-08-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
The shield is clearly protecting against meteoroids. I don't think this is ambiguous at all. Similarly, one might want to protect Earth from asteroid impacts, but you would not say it needed protection from meteorites. It isn't the leftover bits that present the hazard... it is the incoming

Re: [meteorite-list] MetBul search of provisional or unknown meteorites

2012-08-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
The community is welcome to direct questions and suggestions about the MetBull Database to me. I am the editor, author, and programmer of the database. The pulldown item Unclassified meteorites captures the ones called unknown. Alternatively, you can click the Classes radio button and

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 6 New Approvals and O-Isotope Plotting

2012-07-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
If you go to any entry for which oxygen isotope data are present, you'll see the a link to the plots, e.g.: NWA 2986: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=33436 Jeff On 7/30/2012 11:49 AM, MikeG wrote: Hi Bulletin Watchers, There are 6 new approvals today, 3 from NWA and 3 from

Re: [meteorite-list] NWAs and their country of origin

2012-07-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
That's why we call these NWA. We report what we are told about the meteorites. If we can resolve conflicting information, we will. But often it is impossible or difficult. Jeff On 7/30/2012 2:56 PM, Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, wrote: Dear Jeff, list, I

Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill BSE - two more

2012-05-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
Carl, What's the difference between the two lithologies visible in the first of these two photos? Jeff On 5/25/2012 2:19 PM, Carl Agee wrote: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4042491099560set=a.1076549432872.2012978.1200325441type=1ref=nf

Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

2012-05-23 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a nice chip, maybe a cm across. Jeff On 5/23/2012 6:23 PM, Benjamin P. Sun wrote: The Apollo 11 Goodwill moon rocks are fragments of about 50mg for each plaque. But the Apollo 17 Goodwill moon rocks have a fragment of

Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull

2012-05-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
For those of you who are disappointed in the classification, be patient. Science sometimes takes time. I'm sure various groups will be refining this in coming days and weeks. Jeff On 5/22/2012 5:25 PM, karmaka wrote:

Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull

2012-05-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
The guidelines were not relaxed... they were changed. On 5/22/2012 5:32 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Glad to see they stuck with Sutter's Mill as the name. In an era where we no longer need to turn to the index in the back of a physical atlas to locate where in it a particular meteorite was

Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull

2012-05-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
-Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman Sent: 22 May 2012 21:31:47 GMT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull For those of you who are disappointed in the classification, be patient. Science sometimes takes time. I'm sure various groups

Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull

2012-05-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
It is important, and we really needed to get the name announced in order not to impede science (e.g., the MetSoc abstracts are due in a matter of days) and to end the controversy around what to call it. If you read Zolensky's description in the bulletin, it's clear that he thinks the

Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill TKW Update - Friday May 18

2012-05-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
Once again, I've gotta take issue with calling a stone that is only 10% of the total recovered mass the main mass. I don't think this is a reasonable usage. Allende, Murchison, Holbrook, and now this meteorite simply don't have a single main mass. Give Ward credit for the largest known

Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?

2012-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
I'm not sure what you're referring to with this statement... an entry in MetBull will probably be published very soon. After that, there are no Meteoritical Society bylaws or anything else concerning the release of information. Of course, some authors may not release all of his/her data

Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt?

2012-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
of Meteorite Men --Original Message-- From: Jeff Grossman To: meteorh...@aol.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill slices question, Impact Melt? Sent: May 17, 2012 2:30 PM I'm not sure what you're referring to with this statement... an entry

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Pojoaquea Pallasite - What happened to it? (Second Attempt)

2012-04-29 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mike, Surely, this must be Glorieta Mountain, which has the synonym Pojoaque. Jeff On 4/28/2012 9:40 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I tried to post this yesterday, but emails were not going through to the List. I contacted a couple of other List members who confirmed that they were

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Updates - 2 NWA's and a Nova, and a Question regarding Nomenclature

2012-04-23 Thread Jeff Grossman
The way it works is that meteorites are named based on how much certainty we have about where they come from. When we think the coordinates are accurate, we can name them after very local features. For things like NWA and Sahara meteorites, we have some confidence that they come from

Re: [meteorite-list] New Met Bulletin approvals

2012-02-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just to clarify, I only send out announcements of interesting types of meteorites on the RSS feed (anything other than H/L/LL type 4-6). jeff On 2/1/2012 2:49 AM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi John all, For those of you who may not be aware, the Met Bull has a great RSS feed where new approvals

Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

2012-01-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
, but then we could drop some fancier names to describe that 'degenerate' case. Just sounding off Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 11:33 am Subject: Re

Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

2012-01-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
A main mass list? Heck, there isn't even a main mass definition everybody agrees on! Here's mine: An individual stone/iron or piece of an individual stone/iron that comprises the majority ( 50%) of the known mass of a named meteorite. Jeff On 1/24/2012 10:08 AM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi

Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of Universities' Material

2012-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
I guess this means that the Smithsonian, AMNH (New York) and Natural History Museum (London) curators don't recognize rarity and value. Perhaps it's something else. The fact of the matter is that large institutional collections are, in general, rather lacking in NWAs, Libyan, and Omani

Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of Universities' Material

2012-01-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
Erik, This would be a nearly impossible exercise to do. What I can say is this: There are 29050 classified Antarctic meteorites in the world's colletions, and 12664 classified non-Antarctic meteorites. If we assume that all of the Antarctics are government-collected and most of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Provenance of Universities' Material

2012-01-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
The question was in universities and museums. This means accessioned specimens. So the vast amount of NWA debris, some of which I've seen in Marvin Killgore's collection, is mostly not relevant. -jeff On 1/17/2012 7:44 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: 29,050 Antarctic meteorites divided by 5 pairings

Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)

2012-01-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
...except that it is unlikely that the primary target of a sample return mission to Mars would be basalt! That is not to say that this isn't an exciting event. But it does not accomplish what a sample return mission would, nor does it make such a mission less important. Jeff On 1/15/2012

Re: [meteorite-list] Nobel Prizewinning Quasicrystal Fell From Space

2012-01-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
No. On 1/3/2012 2:41 PM, Greg Hupé wrote: Very interesting! Does this meteorite have a name or number yet? Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay) IMCA 3163 Click here for my

Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT - NEW WITNESSED SHERGOTTITE FALL

2011-12-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, I was asked to enter this synonym, Tata, into the MetBull database a year ago, but the person who requested it wasn't sure which specimens the name referred to other than 1430. It never went past there. What do you all think? Is Tata exclusively used for NWA 1430, or are there other

Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT - NEW WITNESSED SHERGOTTITE FALL

2011-12-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Also, a provisional name is something that the NomCom gives out for likely new meteorites in dense collection areas prior to final classification. Provisional names are essentially official temporary names. Jeff On 12/28/2011 8:55 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Darryl and List,

Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT - NEW WITNESSED SHERGOTTITE FALL

2011-12-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Falls (if this is one) do not get dense collection area numbers. NomCom guideline 3.3a says, In the event that a meteorite falls near the same locality as an existing named meteorite, the new fall should not be assigned... a numeric designation... It gets a unique name. Jeff On 12/28/2011

Re: [meteorite-list] New fall...Mars / Nice inside too

2011-12-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
So a question: why is this being called a fall, when the web page says This new martian meteorite is possibly associated with a large fireball observed during day, around noon, in July 2011? Sounds like the fall status is still an open question. Or is there more to the story? Jeff On

Re: [meteorite-list] Primitive Achondrite Question

2011-12-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some PACs do in fact contain relict chondrules, especially acapulcoites and winonaites. Some chondrites have no chondrules (CIs and highly altered ones, plus some type 6 and 7) and some PACs do. Life is not always simple! Jeff On 12/5/2011 9:22 PM, MexicoDoug wrote: There are relict

Re: [meteorite-list] Primitive Achondrite Question

2011-12-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
Type 7 is considered by most of those who use it to represent the highest degree of thermal metamorphism that a chondrite can experience without melting. As implied in that first sentence, some petrologists don't distinguish these from type 6. The term primitive achondrite is widely taken to

Re: [meteorite-list] Al Hagg.. reply

2011-12-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
NomCom did not publish either the term paleo or fossil, nor do I think we have ever published these terms for any meteorite. I don't think they are particularly well defined. We put the term fossil in quotes in Alex Bevan's description of the Gove meteorite, but we listed it according to the

Re: [meteorite-list] New Met Bulletin Approvals - Question about the Tilde ~

2011-11-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
Actually, there are hundreds of these from the last 5 years. They are all equilibrated ordinary chondrites classified by magnetic susceptibility. Because no thin section was prepared, the petrologic type is fairly uncertain. Actually, if there is a lot of weathering, even the chemical group

[meteorite-list] Inningen discredited

2011-10-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some of you may be interested in the news that the Nomenclature Committee has voted to discredit Inningen as a meteorite name. It has been shown to be a piece of Sikhote-Alin. See http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=12038 Jeff __

Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 Meteorite Challenge Update

2011-10-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
Bonus questions: What is the only meteorite name to use all the vowels, including y (a-e-i-o-u-y), where each vowel is used only once? There are 8 meteorite names (that I can find) for which all of the letters in the name occur in alphabetical order. The longest has 6 letters. What is it?

Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 Meteorite Challenge Update

2011-10-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
-o-u-y), where each vowel is used only once? May I partcipate in the bonus question (and what's the prize?) My entry is (valid entry under the honor system): Sierra County Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite

[meteorite-list] Named masses

2011-09-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
All, I'm compiling a list of all meteorites that have named masses. The two well-known examples are Cape York and Campo del Cielo, which each have many large pieces that are known by informal names, e.g., Ahnighito (CY) and El Patio (CdC). How many others can people come up with? This is

Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
I released it just now: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=53877 Jeff On 8/27/2011 7:50 PM, Dave Gheesling wrote: Michael All, Dr. Wasson submitted his classification of the Conception Junction pallasite (PMG) to the Nomenclature Committee last month, and presumably it will be

Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust

2011-06-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
[This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have

Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust

2011-06-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
What law are you talking about? On 6/25/2011 7:55 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Jeff and List, What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material and they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and

Re: [meteorite-list] The 100th Bulletin Now Out

2011-06-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
These tildes have been used before. Here is a rundown of all the special notation you may see in chondrite classifications. For petrologic types: ~ (tilde) means that the petrologic type was not determined very precisely -- maybe just with a visual guess. H~5 is an H chondrite that is

Re: [meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - Divisions

2011-06-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
I think the Weisberg divisions are by no means in general usage. Meteorite classification is chaotic and there is no standard system. I wrote most of the wikipedia article on this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite_classification Take a look at the discussion there, which is

Re: [meteorite-list] Al haggounia 001

2011-06-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
Reclassifications in the MetBull can occur when somebody submits to the NomCom, or NomCom independently finds, sufficient evidence to warrant publication of an erratum. For simple errors, the evidence can be very simple (e.g., this meteorite was published as an LL5, but it actually has Fa19

Re: [meteorite-list] Al haggounia 001

2011-06-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
The ents are not currently, and have not previously discussed the issue. So the question is indeed moot. jeff On 6/8/2011 8:38 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Dan, The Al-Haggounia issue comes up here regularly from time to time and it has been discussed extensively. The general consensus is

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites

2011-05-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
The definition in the Nomenclature Committee guidelines is this: All meteorites found, reported to be found, or purchased in Morocco and adjacent parts of the surrounding countries. Surrounding countries has been interpreted to mean the adjacent countries (Western Sahara and Algeria), and

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