Re: [meteorite-list] What are the FeO/MnO Ratios for the Kalahari 008, 009?

2005-08-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
If you want to see the Kalahari 008/9 location from Google Earth, download that program from http://kh.google.com/download/earth/index.html, then take the snippet of code below, paste it into a text file, save it as "kalahari.kml", and then launch the file. There must be a better way to send t

Re: [meteorite-list] What are the FeO/MnO Ratios for the Kalahari 008, 009?

2005-08-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
When this meteorite came to my attention as a member of the NomCom, warning bells went off in my head too. Enough evidence was presented to us to convince us that these were meteorites, although I expected this not to be the case, that we had to name them. But the find story is very odd. My

Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
The reason NASA ADS doesn't turn up anything is because this is a virtually unstudied meteorite, so there is no scientific literature on it. In fact, ADS gives one hit on the proper name, "Northwest Africa 859", and three hits on "Taza"; all of these hits are to popular literature. If and when

Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis)

2005-07-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Am I the only one who really liked the name given to this asteroid? jeff At 02:49 PM 7/26/2005, Darren Garrison wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:04:12 +, "tracy latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have no desire to be wiped out, or even seriously inconvenienced by space >junk; I fully exp

Re: [meteorite-list] xenolithic breccia's?

2005-07-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some of you may enjoy reading this document on the subject of nomenclature of impactites: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/scmr/docs/paper_12/scmr_paper_12_1.pdf jeff At 04:42 AM 7/11/2005, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Maybe this will help but I'm not sure that it works for all examples. I think this is something

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Australia Classification List Updated

2005-06-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
Looks like you found a typo! It's not type 4, that's certain from the description. jeff At 06:30 AM 6/30/2005, Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day folks, I have just finished the very tedious task of updating my Classification List with all of the new meteorites. (Now over 10,000 meteorites) It should

[meteorite-list] NWA 869

2005-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of materia

Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133

2005-06-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
This sort of pairing question is not really the domain of the NomCom. It has to be worked out in the literature. Once the meteorites are announced, which these now are, we do not consider publication of supplemental information like pairings. The exception would be if somebody wanted to appl

Re: [meteorite-list] Online Paper About Sept. 2003 Orissa (India) Meteorite Shower

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
This is, of course, formally named the Kendrapara meteorite, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=12276. jeff t 01:46 PM 5/27/2005, Paul H wrote: An article about the September 27, 2003 meteorite shower and the meteorites recovered from it is available online for downloading. The art

Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

2005-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
I was the lazy editor of the MetBull when PV fell, so I can tell you the story. Basically, two scientists were in communication with the NomCom during the classification, Dave Kring and Alan Rubin. There were two schools of thought on what to call it, and these were not really that far apart.

Re: [meteorite-list] PAC vs Type-7 vs IMB? (Was: Portales Valley Classification Info)

2005-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
Petrological type 7 is generally taken to be an extension of the solid-state metamorphic sequence defined by Van Schmus and Wood (1967). Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (2001, Meteoritics & Planetary Science, vol. 36, no. 3, p. 439-457) endorsed this concept and specifically excluded from type 7 im

Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo & nomenclature...

2005-05-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here's what I could learn in a brief review of literature I have. Others know much more about this than I do. GK Gilbert published a paper in Science, "The Origin of Hypotheses, Illustrated by the Discussion of a Topographic Problem", Science, Vol. 3, No. 53. (Jan. 3, 1896), pp. 1-13. This wa

RE: [meteorite-list] New toy

2005-05-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
;t spotted yet? I'd like to be able to look at some of the real and purported impact structures from altitude. Tracy Latimer From: Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New toy Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:12:19 -0400 Okay all

[meteorite-list] New toy

2005-05-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
Okay all you testers out there. I developed a "meteorites of the world" add-on for World Wind. If anybody wants to try it out, it's posted on the MetBull database site, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php Make sure you read the note that appears next to the link to the add-on. It's imp

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
al bulletin publication before I proceed. Maybe then the TKW will have been updated. Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? /

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
This happens all the time with meteorites that get on the market before they come to the NomCom. It's just a fact of life. If a meteorite is found halfway between towns, then usually the person who submits it to us chooses. Hyphenated names are only used in special circumstances (there will

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2035

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
Oops... ignore that please! At 11:19 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: What is this entry for NWA 2035, classified as just "anomalous"? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _

[meteorite-list] NWA 2035

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
What is this entry for NWA 2035, classified as just "anomalous"? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
We are just days away from releasing a preview version of the new bulletin. There will be several weeks during which you can make comments to the editor before publication. We are just days away from releasing a preview version of the new bulletin. There will be several weeks during which you

Re: [meteorite-list] Properties of chondrules

2005-05-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
If anybody finds one, I'd like a copy too! Jeff At 07:54 AM 5/6/2005, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi List, I'm looking for a PDF (if possible) for the following abstract: Title: Properties of chondrules Authors: Grossman, Jeffrey N.; Rubin, Alan E.; Nagahara, Hiroko; King, Elbert A Journal: IN: Meteorites a

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bull's-eye chondrule/internal ice?

2005-05-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
Most ordinary chondrites contain little water now.  Up to petrologic type 3.5, there is at most a few % water in the rock, and this is locked in hydrated minerals which would not cause rusting on earth.  Above type 3.5, metamorphism has driven out almost all of even this water leaving a very "dry"

Re: [meteorite-list] Bull's-eye chondrule assumptions (& New Meteorite Atlas)

2005-05-04 Thread Jeff Grossman
No, just dissolution of glass (and partial replacement by clay minerals). At 08:50 AM 5/4/2005, Gerald Flaherty wrote: Hi Jeff and List, Jeff you use the term bleaching, is that an oxidation process? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [meteorite-list] Bull's-eye chondrule assumptions (& New Meteorite Atlas)

2005-05-04 Thread Jeff Grossman
ty environment..I don't know). It would be interesting and helpful if someone detected such bull's-eye chondrules in one of their thin sections so that we could draw further conclusions on their mineralic compositions (core material, rim or seam (?) material, high-temperature, low-temp

Re: [meteorite-list] Bull's-eye chondrule assumptions (& New Meteorite Atlas)

2005-05-04 Thread Jeff Grossman
n their mineralic compositions (core material, rim or seam (?) material, high-temperature, low-temperature phases, etc.). Esteemed list member Jeff Grossman wrote several papers on chondrule formation, chondrule composition, zoned chondrules, etc. Maybe he can enlighten us

Re: [meteorite-list] New database

2005-04-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
rom the NHM for compensation would work too;-) - Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New database > The actual information that I present about each meteorite is similar to > wha

RE: [meteorite-list] New database

2005-04-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
erred rock and then return web pages that contain .PDFs for example? Something like that would turn the database into quite a powerfull tool to find the latest data on a particular stone I would think. Stan From: Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.

Re: [meteorite-list] New database

2005-04-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
on I will buy Joern's Metbase. Martin - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New database > If anybody would like to test this, I'm putting a new database on-line which, &

Re: [meteorite-list] New database

2005-04-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
ld be very willing to send photos of representative specimens. Thanks for your efforts! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anybody would like to test this, I'm putting a > new database on-li

[meteorite-list] New database

2005-04-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
If anybody would like to test this, I'm putting a new database on-line which, when finalized, will be the authoritative place to search for meteorite names and their status. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php Comments, suggestions and bug reports are welcome! Enjoy, Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Gro

Re: [meteorite-list] News on NWA

2005-03-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
accepted? Does the Editor have veto power? Best, John Gwilliam At 04:03 AM 3/3/2005, Jeff Grossman wrote: You don't understand what I'm saying. Maybe others also don't fully understand the system either. Let me explain the way it is supposed to work. 1) A new meteorite is cha

Re: [meteorite-list] News on NWA

2005-03-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
0:13 EST 2005 > > > Why not exit??? My Institute have sent this to Sara > Rusell and she have say there is not problems, the > same for the Lago Valscura meteorite and Lido di > Venezia meteorite > > Matteo > > > --- Jeff Grossman ha > scritto: > > > The e

Re: [meteorite-list] News on NWA

2005-03-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
The entries quoted below have not appeared in the Meteoritical Bulletin, nor have they been approved for the next Bulletin. This has happened on the List several times recently. Folks need to be careful to say "submitted" or "in preparation" when posting things like these. jeff At 11:23 AM 3/

Re: [meteorite-list] What's in a name? Name your meteorite for fame?

2005-02-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
Names I'd like to see for meteorites: A-lien (Taiwan) Avarice (after Avarice Mount, Australia) Expensive (after Expensive Tank, New Mexico) Impossible (after Impossible Canyon, Calif.) Pandora (New Zealand) Priceless (after the Priceless Mine, Ariz.) Stolen (Norway) Unique (Cuba) Unknown (Zimbabwe)

Re: [meteorite-list] What's in a name? Name your meteorite for fame?

2005-02-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
Donga Donga is not an official name. The official ones are Big Rock Donga (H6), Billygoat Donga (L6), Dingo Pup Donga (Ureilite), Camel Donga (Eucrite) plus 39 numbered Camels Donga (is that the plural?), not to mention Donga Kohrod (a 19th century H6 fall from India). Johnny's Donga is lost.

Re: [meteorite-list] Phobosian and Demosian meteorites

2005-02-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
The clasts in question are not basaltic. They're alkaline and subalkaline igneous rocks. That's why the authors are speculating about Mars' satellites. See their article: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-data_query?bibcode=2003M%26PS...38..725I&db_key=AST&link_type=ARTICLE and the abstra

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin 89

2005-01-24 Thread Jeff Grossman
There should be a pre-release of meteorites approved between August and January posted within a couple of weeks. The deadline for submitting new meteorites for inclusion in MB89, which will be published in the summer, is approximately Feb 15. jeff At 07:08 AM 1/24/2005, you wrote: Hello to the

[meteorite-list] NomCom Chair

2005-01-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
To all who may be concerned, Jutta Zipfel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has been appointed to succeed me as Chair of the Meteorite Nomenclature Committee, effective immediately. Please direct future correspondence related to the functioning of the Committee to her instead of me. I will remain a member

Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Discovers A Potential Meteorite

2005-01-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
I don't know if this thing is a real meteorite, but check out these two images. I think they are about the same size, both found in cold deserts. Heat Shield Rock, Mars: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/346/1P158910593EFF40DPP2593L7M1.JPG Derrick Peak Iron, Antarctica: http://www.r

Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Mars meteorite!

2005-01-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
There is no such thing as "THE definition" of meteorite. However, there is a really good one published by Rubin and Grossman (1998): What is a meteorite? The pursuit of a comprehensive definition. Meteorite! 4:24-25. This definition does not require the accreting body to be Earth. jeff At 04:1

Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Mars meteorite!

2005-01-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
If confirmed, it can be named, but won't need any special designation like "Aresite"... it will simply be another asteroidal meteorite, this one found on Mars. It would be wrong to call it a Martian meteorite because the adjective refers to the place of origin, not the place of find. We alread

Re: [meteorite-list] MAPS

2005-01-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
For those of you who have been complaining about late issues of MAPS, here's the story: The November issue did not go into the mail until January 5, so it's not surprising that many of you have not yet received it. This issue plus the one for December have been delayed due to typesetting prob

Re: [meteorite-list] New Moroccan fall

2004-12-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
This meteorite will be well documented. In fact, Dr Hasnaa Chennaoui, who was mentioned by Philippe Thomas earlier today and is describing it, will be one of two new members of the Nomenclature Committee beginning next month. Jeff At 01:31 PM 12/1/2004, David Freeman wrote: I have an idea, lets

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: NWA's, 'Dealers', Science, & NomCom

2004-11-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
The NomCom struggled with this issue for months this year. We were not able to find a satisfactory way to deal with pairings of desert meteorites. Until we can, we will not do this. jeff At 02:29 PM 11/25/2004, Michel Franco wrote: Stan, List, I have not really all the details about that prese

RE: [meteorite-list] NWA's, "Dealers", Science, & NomCom

2004-11-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 12:38 PM 11/25/2004, Michael Gallant wrote: Hello Jeff, First off, I would like to thank you for all your time and effort you place into this list. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that your name is one of several that prompt one to pause and fully read your posts. I wonder if you might clar

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: NWA's, "Dealers", Science, & NomCom

2004-11-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 10:39 AM 11/25/2004, Herbert Raab wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: > Now if somebody wants to call a new meteorite he buys in Morocco > NWA 5434, which is not allowed under our rules, he would have to > go the extra step of actually faking a specimen number. I bought a stony meteorite f

RE: [meteorite-list] NWA's, "Dealers", Science, & NomCom

2004-11-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just so you all understand, here's what JSC does (I think). It doesn't translate well into a system where more than one person owns the meteorite, but perhaps that doesn't matter. They label their original specimen ",0". I suppose if they had a case where there was more than one fragment in

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers

2004-11-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are several reasons for this result. Among these are: 1) Not all scientists are equally skilled at classifying meteorites. 2) Not all samples are representative of the whole. It used to be that a lab would have the entire mass to examine and could see the entire structure. With meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Another fake name, serious business

2004-11-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
I don't know if this will help, but maybe it would be a good idea if you dealers start keeping good records of how meteorites are divided and labeling specimens accordingly. So when you get a new meteorite named and you own the whole thing, begin numbering the subspecimens you prepare in the w

Re: [meteorite-list] Zag classification, / - differences, pop quiz

2004-11-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 06:21 PM 11/12/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mentioned that some times a person cannot tell if it is one classification or another so end up using the slash. I can understand how this is possible over a range of two grades. But do you believe that this is possible/acceptable over 3 or more

Re: [meteorite-list] Zag classification, / - differences, pop quiz

2004-11-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mike is not quite right. The hyphen means it's a breccia spanning at least the range of specified types. So H3-6 means it's a breccia containing H3, H6, and possibly (but not necessarily) everything in between. The slash means the person could not tell, or, sometimes, that the meteorite is t

[meteorite-list] Changes to Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature

2004-11-01 Thread Jeff Grossman
To: Respondents to the Call for Comments, The Meteorite-list, Meteoritical Bulletin mailing list From: Jeff Grossman, Chair, Nomenclature Committee Dear all, Last summer, I requested input from the community on two proposals under consideration by the Nomenclature Committee (NomCom). The

Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?

2004-10-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
On further investigation, I'd have to revise my nearest hit to the Stratford fall. Since it fell on Memorial Day (May 27) in 1974, I was probably back home in New York from college before going off to my summer job in Maine. So it fell 60 km from me. This is the hard part of figuring out thi

Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?

2004-10-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
Maybe another interesting angle for this discussion is to find the meteorite that fell closest to you personally, not to the place where you now live; i.e., how close did you ever come to being hit? For me, it's Wethersfield (1971), which fell in Connecticut, 120 km from my home in New York whe

RE: [meteorite-list] Letter from Jeff Grossman concerning NWA 1110 andpairings

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
The NomCom is trying to prevent confusion and chaos. By approving the name NWA 1110 we are certifying that experts have looked at the original mass of material and classified it correctly. If you buy it or borrow a specimen for research, you can be fairly sure of what you are getting. If non

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA/Sahara maps

2004-07-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 04:17 AM 7/11/2004, meteoriteshow wrote: Dear Mark, Meteorites named "Sahara" were found and accurately spotted by their finders, but the coordinates should be provided by the Nom Com 5 years after their first announcement at the Met Bul. This is a special agreement between some finders and the

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA/Sahara maps

2004-07-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are no boundaries to either the NWA area or the Sahara area. "Sahara" refers to meteorites for which the finders are intentionally withholding the geographic coordinates. These cannot be placed on a map unless somebody can convince the finders, mainly the Labennes, to release the data.

[meteorite-list] Call for comments

2004-06-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
To the meteorite-list: The NomCom is considering several changes to its Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature. Because the changes may have a significant impact on some people (positive, we hope), we are accepting public comments before the Committee votes on them. If you are interested, pleas

[meteorite-list] Numbered meteorites

2004-05-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some of you may enjoy looking at a web page I decided to put together. It's not done yet, but will be soon. http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/regions.html jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Cen

Re: [meteorite-list] Polymict EUC vs. HOW - NWA1109 question

2004-05-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here's a quote from Mittlefehldt's article in the 1998 Planetary Materials volume: "Howardites have long been known to be polymict breccias (Wahl 1952).  More recently, numerous polymict breccias with bulk compositions like those of eucrites have been recovered from Antarctica, leading to recognit

Re: AW: WG: [meteorite-list] Classification question

2004-05-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Not gonna happen. The types-1 and -2 designations are archaic, even for carbonaceous chondrites. The problem is that some type 3's are aqueously altered and some type 2's are thermally metamorphosed. This is what happens when you use one digit to signify two variables. Since the type 3.0-6

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA series question

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
We'll update the provisional list in the next few months. It will be posted on the web site when done. jeff At 11:29 AM 4/28/2004 +0200, Pierre-Marie PELE wrote: Hello to the List. I'ml searching any information for NWAs ranging from NWA 1957 to NWA 2999 and from NWA 3010 to 3200. Why is there

Re: [meteorite-list] I need help!! L, H what?

2004-04-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
Fresh H chondrites have 9-13 volume% metal plus sulfide, L chondrites have 6-7 vol% metal plus sulfide. But notice that a perfectly respectable H chondrite with 9% only has slightly more metal+sulfide than a perfectly respectable L with 7%. It's not always easy to distinguish on this basis. T

Re: [meteorite-list] LL6/7 classification answers

2004-03-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
he fray here, but since I shared my thoughts on Mike's new meteorite classification (NWA 2092), and since we heard from Jeff Grossman on the possible ambiguity of the exact meaning of this classification, and since Mike wasn't able to share the classification details, I felt compelled to inves

Re: [meteorite-list] LL7 Chondrites

2004-03-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
One of the reasons that type 7 ordinary chondrites are rare may be that many researchers do not think the distinction between 6 and 7 is significant and therefore never classify anything as type 7. As far as anymeteorite called type "6/7" is concerned, don't forget that the slash in a classifi

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 3099 (L/LL3) and why not 3.X ???

2004-03-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Metamorphic subtypes (the tenths place in the petrologic type) are routinely determined in a variety of ways, some more accurate and reliable than others.  For a given meteorite, you have to look into what was done before you can evaluate the usefulness of the assigned number. The most reliable me

Re: [meteorite-list] Wabar Crater Under Threat From Vandals

2004-02-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
This story is about the Wahba volcanic crater near Jeddah, not the Wabar impact site. jeff At 10:55 PM 2/8/2004 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: This is not true! Waber is 18 hours in the sand dunes, and is small craters, not larger than Meteor Crater. What crap is this? Anyone elaborate? Mike Farme

[meteorite-list] Dronino

2004-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dronino has been classified as an ungrouped ataxite by Vernadsky and UCLA.  It was in the last vote by the NomCom.  I'll find out tomorrow if it was actually approved (I didn't know of any serious problems), but you can be confident in its classification as a real iron meteorite. jeff At 02:38 AM

Re: [meteorite-list] Since we are on the subject of testing

2003-11-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
I don't know the status of this one.  I can find out Monday. jeff At 07:00 PM 11/15/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are voting on "Dronino" now.  Results should be announced very soon. jeff Thanks, Jeff.  What about "Oum Rokba"?   Did that ever receieve an NWA

Re: [meteorite-list] Since we are on the subject of testing

2003-11-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
We are voting on "Dronino" now. Results should be announced very soon. jeff At 01:44 AM 11/16/2003 +0200, Pekka Savolainen wrote: Well, all I have seen, is the article on the site of the Vernadsky Institute; http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/dronino1-e.html "The Laboratory's analysis showed tha

Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Anomalous and Ungrouped Ordinary Chondrites

2003-10-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
Norbert stated the facts well about ungrouped and anomalous chondrites. There are no rules or guidelines for grouping meteorites. However, a lot of researchers subscribe to the idea, which I think originated with John Wasson, that it takes 5 to sufficiently define the properties of a bunch of

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 11:43 PM 9/16/2003 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, Thank you for the explanation and clarification that clans do not necessarily tie two groups together...though they are thought to be related due to similarities. So it goes something like this... (with a few questions at the bottom). Cla

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 10:30 PM 9/15/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. If all these variations on CB's and CH's are actually part of the CR clan, then why don't we start with calling them CR's, and then give them a suffix of some kind to differentiate them CRL(low metal), CRB-1 and CRB-2, CRH(high metal), etc.. De

Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
by the authors of these papers, and may be others), and has yet to > arrive at a status of general acceptance by the scientific community? > Should CH-BEN be abandoned? Are both of them valid side by side > for the time being? > Jeff Grossman, can you shed some light on this? Whe

Re: [meteorite-list] Correlation of Fa & Fs for ordinary chondrites

2003-09-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
The relationship that you found was documented in meteorites shortly after the first electron microprobes became available to meteorite researchers.  The landmark paper was: KEIL K. and FREDRIKSSON K. (1964) The iron, magnesium, and calcium distribution in coexisting olivines and rhombic pyroxenes

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
al sector. Commercial meteorites are still overwhelmingly ordinary chondrites. jeff At 01:30 PM 8/8/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: <70% of all known meteorites are Antarctic 20% of all known meteorites have been collected commercially. The remaining 10% include all the

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 801

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
780 to NWA 816, and there are probably other gaps, too, in all the numbers known so far. This surely is for good reason and perhaps Jeff Grossman may comment on this, if he likes to do so. Alex Berlin, Germany P.S., on a side note: I wonder why that meteorite once inofficially sold under the name

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
Let's refine the numbers a bit. Pretty much the start of hot desert collecting was in 1998. Of the numbers you quote above how many are since the start of 1998? Do the same pairing numbers Lindstrom estimated apply to the non-ordinary-chondrites? I don't have access to a database so Jeff if

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 801

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
g institute? Or is this a sort of a nonsense question, from the viewpoint of the NomCom... :-) Btw: this is, what I was thinking of when I made that P.S. remark about that "Begaa" stone with my last post. Alex Berlin, Germany Jeff Grossman wrote: > > This meteorite is listed in the

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
Without taking sides in this debate, I can help get the statistics straight. 73% of classified and published meteorites are Antarctic (source Metbase v6.0, total 20,366 of 27,732 meteorites ). Of the remaining meteorites, ~56% (~4100) of them are in numbered series directly attributable to comm

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: analytical classification

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
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Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re analytical services costs

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
The NomCom would recognize classifications done by anybody with a proven track record in meteorite geochemistry and petrology.  Several members of the dealer community have described meteorites from their own analyses.  These dealers understand that the NomCom may ask for a second opinion on descr

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
ogenite" or, a better alternative, "HED-clan peridotite" serve to identify both the mineralogy and parent body. jeff - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:23 AM Subject

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
New groups names are not a NomCom issue, although there are people who think it should be. Group names come into being through consensus. Many group names have died at birth, never being adopted by anybody other that the person who wrote the initial publication (e.g., F chondrites, CA chondri

Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites

2003-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Sorry to disappoint you, but Joel's Iron was named long before there was a NomCom. This name would indeed violate the modern Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature had it been found recently. There are other meteorites with similar "grandfathered" names, e.g.. Lutschaunig's Stone, Holland's Sto

Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites

2003-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mike, The Meteoritical Society is not an authority on geographic names. The NomCom does the best it can in approving names for meteorites based on geographic names, but mistakes do get made. We often have to rely on people with local knowledge of the find area (or the submitter of the meteor

Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

2003-06-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dear list and Ms. Kallis, Let me reiterate the statements we made. "The petrology and geochemistry of this object strongly suggest that it has a terrestrial origin." (http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf) and, in my email to the list on 2 June 2003: "There is at present no

Re: [meteorite-list] Felix... CO3.2 or CO3.4???????

2003-06-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
No way Felix is 3.2. Jones and Scott (1990) had it at 3.2, but more recent data show it to be significantly higher. Kainsaz is a solid 3.2, and all properties of Felix show it to be more equilibrated than Kainsaz. Data on TL (Sears) and on amoeboid olivine inclusions (Chizmadia) show Felix to

[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky statement from NomCom

2003-06-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
Hi all, The Nomenclature Committee has issued the following statement on the "Shirokovsky pallasite." http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf Much of this is based on what many of you have already seen on the Russian web site. Bottom line: There is at present no evidence other

Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest

2003-03-29 Thread Jeff Grossman
Hi all.  I am posting the following message to the List on behalf of Dr. Meenakshi Wadhwa, the Curator of Meteorites at the Field museum. -jeff - To Mike Farmer

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Petrologic types and point values

2003-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
riginal Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Petrologic types and point values > No, it's simple. The decimals divide petrologic type 3 into ten finer &g

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Petrologic types and point values

2003-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
No, it's simple. The decimals divide petrologic type 3 into ten finer divisions. They are meant to convey a sense of relative metamorphic grade, just as the original 3-4-5-6 numbers did. The reason this was done for type 3 and not for 4-5-6 is that the differences between a low-type-3 (now 3

Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron Meteorite Finds

2003-01-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are a number of factors that cause the proportion of irons to vary from place to place.  Four important ones are frequency of pairing of finds, human cultural effects, differential weathering rates, and recognizability. Places like NWA produce many, many separately numbered meteorites that a

Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?

2003-01-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
hit the ground, it was called a meteorite. Rosie - Original Message - From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? > Frank, etc., > > Nope. Y

Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?

2003-01-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mars) as compared to meteorites found on Earth? Any one have any ideas? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? >

Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?

2003-01-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
Alan Rubin and I advocated calling all of these things "meteorites" no matter what body they were found on. Our definition was as follows, quoting from the article: "A meteorite is a natural solid object that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed to a region outside

Re: [meteorite-list] Calcalong Creek

2003-01-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
Bernd and list: Bench Crater & Hadley Rille are not lunar meteorites.  See the only published paper on this subject, and a fine one at that! Rubin A.E. and Grossman J. N., 1998, What is a meteorite? The pursuit of a comprehensive definition. Meteorite!, v.4 no. 3, 24-25. The adjective indicates t

Re: [meteorite-list] Gujba

2003-01-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
This came from an email exchange I had two years ago with one of the people who reported the meteorite to the NomCom: "The right pronunciation of Gujba is Gu- like in goofy=gu(fi), -j- in gin=g(in) and -ba like bar=ba(r). Using English consonant symbols it should be like that: g like get, bigger,

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin

2002-12-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
We're voting on tons of new meteorites this week. These will be released as soon as they are approved and ready for print, certainly by the new year. -jeff At 01:59 PM 12/7/2002, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Hello all When exit the new issue No news, no updates Regards Matteo

[meteorite-list] Leonids From Virginia

2002-11-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
The meteors were quite nice here. We had scattered high, thin clouds, limiting magnitude around 4 outside my house in the Washington suburbs. Between 4 and 5 am local time I saw about 50, including one "head-on", something I've never seen before. Between 5 and 5:30 the rate increased to around

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite anagrams

2002-11-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dear list, I apologize for posting the anagram with the s*** word. It was not a good choice. A better anagram would have been "THIS ALIEN OK." For those of you who are trying to come up with good ones, note the guidelines from the anagram nomenclature committee, http://www.anagramgenius.com/

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