I wrote:
It may be an observing effect depending on whether
the fireball was observed from north or south its flight path.
Note that the DOD satellite measured the flight path angle at 62 degrees from
the horizontal, or 28 degrees from the vertical. That means the meteorite fall
was more
Hi All,
Regarding the discrepancy between the apparent bolide trajectory
(SE -- NW) as derived from the Park Forest strewnfield data, and
the NNE trajectory reported by DoD sensors, Steve Arnold wrote:
Even with the possibility of a reverse strewnfield, that would
need to place the fireball
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Farmer wrote.
We are not talking a very far off course. The smaller stones seem to be less than a quarter to half mile to the east, that is nothing when something is falling from space. Steger is just on the
Frank,
It is unlikely that kind of detail would be available to anyone with less than a secret clearance . . . and they wouldn't be able to tell us either. Detailed data reveals capability; DoDprotects from exposing thiercapabilities as much as they can. Basically, we're lucky to get what we get.
Yes, and is not Chicago called The Windy City ?
To me this strewnfield looks absolutely perfect, if not just a tad
scewed like (I think) by the wind.
Mike Farmer
I suspect the winds aloft data are still readily available. Has anyone
taken a look at this?
Mark
If the wind data is still available, it may be good to model
the fall with winds in different altitudes. Its quite amusing,
how strong the effect of the wind could be in smaller fragments.
We had a very promising bolide in Finland in February, and
in first modellings we forgot the wind. In
Hi Mike and all,
Michael Farmer wrote:
Yes, and is not Chicago called The Windy City ?
All though it is windy in Chicago from the lake, the term comes from politics as there
are a lot of windy candidates.
Besides winds perhaps the break up might have had some something to do with fragments
Hello Al and list,
If the meteor did extinguish below 7000 feet as my
observation and the NWS data suggest (fireball seen below
the cloud deck and the NWS stated that the cloud deck base
height was 7000 feet at that time), then a very low
retardation point would not be out of the question.
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Hello Al and list,
If the meteor did extinguish below 7000 feet as my
observation and the NWS data suggest (fireball seen below
the cloud deck and the NWS stated
That would be 11:50:26 PM on March 26, local time/date.
Note that this is the time when the DOD satellite first detected it, when
it was still airborne and in its fireball phase. In these DOD reports, when
they say 'impact', they really mean 'impact' with Earth's upper atmosphere, not
the
The distribution from Olympia Fields/Park Forest to Steger/Beecher would
argue that the flight path was NW to SE or vice versa. The larger masses in
the Olympia Fields area would support the former. If they are correct I was
searching the wrong side of every building. Please enlighten,
That
The DOD coordinates define the location of 183rd Street and Park Avenue on the south end of the Ravisloe Country Club in Homewood, Illinois.
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The distribution from Olympia Fields/Park Forest to Steger/Beecher would
Did anyone check the Calumet, Ravisloe, Cherry Hills, Flossmoor, Idlewild and Olympia Fields Country Clubs? Theylook to own most of the real estate in the Park Forest strewn field.
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Did anyone check the Calumet, Ravisloe, Cherry Hills, Flossmoor, Idlewild
and Olympia Fields Country Clubs? Theylook to own most of the real
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Rob,
All of the eyewitnesses I interviewed indicated a SE to NW flight
path.
Steve
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Hello List, an easy explanation, on the ground
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http://phobos.astro.uwo.ca/~pbrown/usaf/dod231.txt
Fireball
The distribution from Olympia Fields/Park Forest to Steger/Beecher would
argue that the flight path was NW to SE or vice versa.
Or vice versa? That's 180 degrees in the opposite direction! It is interesting
you report that way though. It may be an observing effect depending on whether
the
Rob,
All of the eyewitnesses I interviewed indicated a SE to NW flight
path.
That's consistent with Rob's observations, but the DOD satellite saw it
traveling SW to NE. I'm not sure why there is a 90 degree discrepancy
in the flight direction between the satellite observations and the
Rob wrote: Just try and get into the Olympia Fields Country Club. What a hunting ground it would have been Hello Rob and list, Yes, I agree. Anyone want to join me for a par 87 hole. I think I couldspend enough time looking for alost ball to drive the cabby crazy. Mark Bostick
Satellites Detect March 2003 Bolide Over
Park Forest
The distribution from Olympia Fields/Park Forest to Steger/Beecher would
argue that the flight path was NW to SE or vice versa.
Or vice versa? That's 180 degrees in the opposite direction! It is
interesting
you report that way though
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Hello Folks,
This whole thing has me a bit perplexed for several reasons. First, the stone my brother and I recovered had a distinct angle of entry that I saw and documented, and passed on to Mr. Sipiera. That trajectory definately indicated that the offending stone came in from the S.E. and
who is authoring a paper on this very subject.
All the best,
Adam
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Hi Larry and all,
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On a second trip I met with a man named Atul Kumar, He isn't a scientist but he has
been gathering info on the strewn field for the astronomy club that he is involved
with. He has compiled quite a list/map of stones that were recovered, including
Farmer
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Dear List Members,
It looks like some are starting to realize
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The Portales Valley and Johnstown Strewnfields
were backwards.
I am confused about Park Forest though, the
larger pieces were
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Dear List Members,
It looks like some are starting to realize the
secret of the Park Forest strewnfield, it is reversed. I think this has
happened only a couple times in history. I hinted
Hi Al,
Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs in his collection too, it was a bit disappointing, but he did not try very hard to convince me that they were meteorites when I told him they were slag. I asked if he was including them in his data and he said no. Is that really true? I don't know.
He did
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Hi Mike and List,
I am repeating what I was told
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Hi Al,Yes I saw the the meteorwrongs in his
collection too, it was a bit disappointing, but he
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Hi List, If you think about it a second. : ) With such a steep entry angle the biggest pieces would not have to be at the far end of the strewn field. The momentum that caries bigger pieces further would not
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Mike,
Good answer, I was unaware of the Portales Valleys' peculiar entry. The way you just explained it makes perfect sense though.
There's my leaning lesson for the day!
Thanks,
Larry
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Also, if the fall is SW to NE, and so far we see
most small stones to the south and south east of the large stones, would
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The DOD says the fireball went like this
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The recovery of pieces say they fell like this
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The overlay
HI,
I guess I should correct myself before someone else does.
When I read the initial report about the direction of the fall I misinterpreted its message, and somehow turned a N.E. approach into a S.E. approach in my mind, accounting for my total perplexity! The relevant satellite information
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