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[meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Update - Arizona
Jim Wooddell jimwooddell
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Mon Sep 24 19:07:45 EDT 2012
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Hello Listers
I know this topic has been reworked and then some but this is what I think.
I am not a hunter yet :) ( Being in NYC isnt the best place to hunt on land)
but from what I gather is this from the BLM law for the casual collector
that finds and meteorite
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Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:50 AM
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Adam, you wrote: ...You can no longer use four-wheelers, off-road
vehicles or bicycles to aid in your search because they are motorized
or mechanical.
I believe you
From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
To: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hello Listers
I know
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
The way I see it, the new rules are so poorly written that they can be
interpreted any way a BLM agent sees fit. I obtain a permit to search Ivanpah
Dry Lake every September and was told by the Needles office that metal
detectors and magnets on a stick
to protect you.
- Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
It is no surprise at all the government doesn't want
I've been working on understanding the new BLM rules all day and have
some information to share
I am ONLY speaking about Arizona and what I gathered today after
several conversations with the BLM.
1. Institutions like ASU, NAU, UofA can apply for permits on a
statewide level in the name of
: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi List,
The new rule is missing a chromosome. (to put it nicely)
But, if they are going to let this madness stand, then at least they
should distinguish between a fresh fall and old finds. Perhaps an
exception can
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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:33 AM
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Hello Adam and all
I beleive the NEW 1099-B may cover meteorites! Look at the Barter
Exchange clause!
Jim
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: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi List,
The new rule is missing a chromosome. (to put it nicely)
But, if they are going to let this madness stand, then at least they
should distinguish between a fresh fall and old finds. Perhaps an
exception
don't get caught
with a main mass.
Best Regards,
Adam
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From: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hello Adam
In “New BLM Rules” at
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2012-September/087388.html
Jim Wooddell wrote,
“In light of these new meteorite rules, the people
of AZ have Proposition 120 to consider. In a nut
shell, it's AZ telling the Feds to go pound sand and
reclaim sovereignty
Paul H. wrote:
Also, you may find state officials no different, or even
worse, than federal officials with which to deal. Be
careful for what you wish.
It is easier to deal with locally elected officials who are at most 2 or 3
hours away from your home. I have had success having face time
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
Paul H. wrote:
Also, you may find state officials no different, or even
worse, than federal officials with which to deal. Be
careful for what you wish.
It is easier to deal with locally elected officials who are at most 2 or 3
hours
This was talked about last year by our amazing Arizona government as a way to
open mining in Grand Canyon, a horrible idea by them to profit from the rape of
our most beautiful national park! The state wants sovereignty to pillage
anything of value. This same state government and our esteemed
I wrote and was quoted as saying:
Also, you may find state officials no different, or even
worse, than federal officials with which to deal. Be
careful for what you wish.
In “New BLM Rules - Proposition 120” at,
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2012-September/087391.html
Mark
: Sep 21, 2012 12:36 PM
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi Jim and List,
I think your estimate of 50 professional meteorite hunters in the USA
is very generous. I would wager it's even less
.
Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ
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From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:06 AM
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Good job Mark! Context an essential element to truth.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
Not meaning to get off topic
debt.).
Mark
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From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
I wrote and was quoted as saying:
Also
- Original Message -
From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
Not meaning to get off topic, but check your facts Mike
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
It is no surprise at all the government doesn't want citizens investing in
gold thus making it impossible to get new mines open. Then reclassifying
gold, platinum and silver bullion as collectables under a healthcare
reform act so
:36 PM
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi Jim and List,
I think your estimate of 50 professional meteorite hunters in the USA
is very generous. I would wager it's even less. The majority
Hey Carl,
Give me a call please,
Bill Hall
541-419-2210
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Hi Jim and All,
Remember Old Woman? Well, Jim, The main mass is sitting on display in the
Bureau of Land Management's administrative building lobby in Barstow,
California and the intrepid hunters who found it are off somewhere sucking eggs.
I'm going to make
. As speaking of a casual
collectors, how could one be 100% its a meteorite? At the end of the day, its a
stone until otherwise prove or disprove by someone with expertise.
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[meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Jeff Grossman jngrossman
a meteorite? At the end of the
day, its a stone until otherwise prove or disprove by someone with
expertise.
Shawn Alan
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[meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Jeff Grossman jngrossman
at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 19:06:11 EDT 2012
To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi List,
The new rule is missing a chromosome. (to put it nicely)
But, if they are going to let this madness stand
Jeff, I would say that given your position and all you've done for us, we are
in very good hands. A huge THANK YOU for all you do.
Sincerely,
Carl
meteoritemax
--
Cheers
Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote:
All,
For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a
Links:
http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/capitalgainstax/ss/capital-gains-tax-rates_4.htm
Gold and Silver Are Taxed as Collectibles
Gold and silver bullion, such as American Eagle gold coins, Canadian Gold Maple
Leaf coins, and South African Krugerrand gold coins, are taxed at the same
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Grossman
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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All,
For those of you who
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All,
For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private
citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to
oversight of curation and research programs. I will be reading all posts on
the list pertaining to this issue.
Jeff
Rules
Jeff Grossman jngrossman
at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 19:06:11 EDT 2012
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The bigger question, Carl, is who determines that what you've found
are indeed meteorites? Do planetary geologists now work for the BLM?
Michael in so. Cal.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
Jim,
Did your correspondence include monetary penalties? Because like the
.
Thanks,
Peter
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Grossman
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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, September 20, 2012 7:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
All,
For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private
citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to
oversight of curation and research
, 2012 7:06 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
All,
For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private
citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to
oversight of curation and research programs. I
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi Jim and List,
I think your estimate of 50 professional meteorite hunters in the USA
is very generous. I would wager it's even
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules
Hi Jim and List,
I think your estimate of 50 professional meteorite hunters in the USA
is very generous. I would wager it's
Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite List
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Cc:
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 1:40 PM
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Shawn,
You mean you didn't hear about the hundreds of meteorite experts now
on staff at the BLM that are going to verify
Be sure to vote for MORE government on November 6th.
Paul Swartz
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Hi Folks,
This has nothing to do with who is in the White House. The White
House does not make up BLM rules, the BLM does. Regardless of which
candidate wins in November, it will not impact the policies of the
BLM. I'm sure Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have plenty of more
important things on
Perhaps we can keep politics off the list? Per list rules...
I have been in trouble for violating it years ago, so perhaps we can all play
by the rules.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 20, 2012, at 9:35 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:
Be sure to vote for MORE government on November
All,
For those of you who don't know, I contribute to this list as a private
citizen, but I work at NASA headquarters, with duties that extend to
oversight of curation and research programs. I will be reading all
posts on the list pertaining to this issue.
Jeff
On 9/20/2012 6:37 PM, Jim
Hello Carl,
Communication is continuing and no, the subject of penalties has not
been part of the conversation. No other information or opinion.
My main concern is the quest for understanding the cosmosthus the
need for NASA to step in. If finding fresh falls does not help
advance the
Jim,
Did your correspondence include monetary penalties? Because like the Obamacare
sometimes penalties are cheaper than the alternative. And once penalties are
paid
The other obvious question is enforcement. What do they do when/ if caught? Do
they dump them out? Do they confiscate them?
During the Denver Show at the Merchandise Mart, a lady from the BLM
booth stopped by my Meteorhall booth, and while looking over my
meteorites for sale (none of the meteorites were from BLM land, land
that belongs to all citizens of the USA, by the way) mentioned that new
regulations for
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