Hi folks,
We've had debates over the years about what we collect, why we collect, and
what gave us the 'bug' in the first place. I've written a short piece which
tries to convey the fascination and history to lay people.
http://historicfalls.com/2011/04/11/rocks-in-my-head/
Enjoy!
Marko
Good day list.Just an fyi to all who were involvd,all the freebies all sent out
yesterday and sunday.Thanks again to all who chimed in.Also my holbrook 12 gram
fragment $100 to any who want it.Also in the next week or to I will be selling
off 1 of my collection pieces from my other
Higgins et al. (2011) reported a new suspected impact crater near
Sept Iles Harbour, Gulf of St Lawrence, Canada at 50°3’N, 66°23’W.
It is about 4 km in diameter and has “a central uplift that rises to
about -70 m and an annular valley ~160 m deep.” They report
finding “planar deformation
Steve,
That is 5 (five) ads in one week. Your suppose to limit your AD posts to one
per week. By posting multipal ads in a single week your saying you think you
are better than the rest of us who DO abide by the list rules.
My big problem is the fraud you are helping out. If you really cared
Dear List,
Chicago, Illinois Meteor 11APR2011
Wichita, KS huge greenish/yellow meteor fireball 12APR2011
Perth, Australia Meteor? 12APR2011
Co. Cork, Ireland Meteor 04:30 am 12APR2011
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
Best Always,
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
Dear List Members,
If you have the time, please take a look at many great items ending at auction
later today. I incorporated a few buy-it-nows per requests but most items were
started at just 99 cents with no reserve.
Link to all auctions:
http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html
Thank
Darryl and List,
Now I'm even more offended by the NYT. The audacity of the NYT to edit a
letter-to-the-editor is the ultimate shame. What a crock of s**t.
Darryl, however, what they did publish of your original letter was a great
back-atcha and you shouldn't be embarrased. Congrats are
I doubt they'll publish Anne's letter. It's too long for them. Their
attention span is too short, and their lack of attention to detail won't
allow it.
I think the NYT has ADHD.
Regards,
Eric
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Darryl and List,
Now I'm even more offended by
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Darryl Pitt wrote:
The Letter to the Editor referred to was, of course, edited.
Dear Darryl:
Your letter was eloquent, accurate, and precise, as one would expect
from you. Even the edited version helps get the point across. Thank
you for taking the time to do that.
I very much doubt
Hello List,
I'm posting this ad for Todd Parker. He has a 3.41 gram Whetstone slice on eBay
with less than 8 hours left. It's the best price I've seen on this very
collectable witnessed fall.
Wishing the best for Everyone,
Larry
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I think Letters to the Editor are routinely edited in other newspapers.
I've written a few of these kinds of letters and they all get edited for
one reason or another. Often for length and also more the rebuttal is anti
to the newspaper stance, the more the important points seemed to get
Would it be worth the effort to submit a freelance science article, instead?
If not to the NYT, there are lots of other magazines that might be willing
publishers.
I think there's too much to be said in a rebuttal letter.
Best,
Pete
From:
That should be too much to be said FOR a rebuttal letter. ;)
From: rsvp...@hotmail.com
To: rickm...@earthlink.net; dar...@dof3.com;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:28:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd:
Hi All,
The main problem with the Times' editing of Darryl's submission is that
they altered his factually correct letter into an inaccurate (or at
best,
misleading) one. The following sentences appeared in the Times' edited
version:
As a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and
Anyway, I would certainly agree to Geoff Notkin, who wrote: even the edited
version helps get the point across, regarding Daryll Pitt´s letter to the NYT.
Thanks, Daryll!
This is important! You most certainly can´t circumvent or obviate editing, but
it is good to have a good argument made
A novel idea would be to publish what was ACTUALLY WRITTEN. Seems a
simple fix to me.
Since rebuttals are getting chopped up, sliced and diced, and edited
until they no longer convey the originally intended message, or worse
gets turned into a message which might reinforce NYT's own stance,
Exactly rightand truth be told, I was embarrassed. Janine had to calm me
down a bit this morning. ;-)
All they had to do was leave in the term hot deserts and it would have been
fine.
Anyway, thank you, Rob!
On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote:
Hi All,
The
I agree with what Rob said about changing the context even slightly.
I think it best to avoid all forms of media these days, good or bad. Grave talk
of land-owner swindles, smuggling, black markets, fraud and lawsuits we have
been exposed to lately in the press has already done an untold
Hi,
So appreciated.
Exactly rightand truth be told, I was embarrassed..Janine had to calm me
down a bit this morning. ;-)
All they had to do was leave in the term hot deserts and it would have been
fine.
Anyway, thank you, Rob!
On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Matson, Robert
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All this negative talk about the negative talk Adam, doesn't help
either.
Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing. If we keep our mouths shut, the
media tramples us with non-facts, and the uninformed public will believe
it.
We have a duty to the meteorite world to publish scientifically correct
Facebook is irrelevant to this issue and thread. If you're truly
concerned about a thread on Facebook, why not ask me about it privately
rather than trying to divert this thread to what you want to talk about
Mike? That seem rather disingenuous to me. I'm sure others here too
think the same
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
-Edmund Burke
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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:05 PM
This great rebuttal will take effect in a more profound sense elsewhere, I´m
sure.
...if it will be carried into the hundreds of webpages, blogs, for a already
reproducing the NYT arcticle.
Most of them have a possibility to add a comment,
hence with the help of the list members...
Here in
Dear Listees:
Steve Arnold and I are featured guests at the 20th anniversary
Northeast Astronomy Forum (NEAF) this coming weekend at Rockland
Community College in Suffern, New York. NEAF is one of the country's
top science forums, and an important educational outreach event.
Vendors
Hello,
Meteor-Center.com team is happy to announce the opening of its new online shop.
The link is : http://www.meteor-center.com/shop
As a start, come and visit us to see some nice specimens of SAU 001 (Oman),
grabed from a new stock.
Shipping worldwide, Paypal payment.
Best regards,
Geoff didn't promote the fact that he wrote about the NYT article and included
the text of Anne's rebuttal on his column The Logical Lizard in the Tucson
Citizen, so I will
It can be read here:
http://tinyurl.com/448yrt9
--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
Hi List,
Geoff is absolutely right about NEAF. If you are interested in
optics, astronomy, or meteorites, it is well worth a visit. The
latest in cutting-edge optics is always on display and every year
Televue has it's famous Blem Sale where you can buy eyepieces like
Naglers and Panoptics at a
I can't get over the free parking comment. :-)
--
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 1:42 PM
To: Notkin geok...@notkin.net
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Hi all,
I think Daryl's published (and edited) rebuttal was fine. You have to really
micro it to draw the conclusion it didn't skewer the article and present a
positive spin. The open mouth crowd will get the point. (I did!)
Now, I'm not trying to be a smart ass...but, let me say this
Hi Darryl and List,
You did great on the letter, and newspapers routinely edit such
letters for content and length. I too have written several in the
past that have been published and all of them were edited to some
degree - despite my efforts to make sure such letters pass the Strunk
White
Well this one disappeared into the ether more than 25 minutes ago, so apologies
if the original shows up as a double post.
Geoff didn't promote the fact that he wrote about the NYT article and included
the text of Anne's rebuttal on his column The Logical Lizard in the Tucson
Citizen, so I
Ken Silz posted:
AGREED JUDGMENT IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that STEVEN ARNOLD shall pay
actual damages in the amount of $100,000.00 to Plaintiffs . . . Anyone
can Google Dr. Elbert King and note the first link. There you will
find the Perez Iron - Dr. Elbert King's transported Odessa
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Darryl,
That's an excellent letter you wrote and I know it certainly helped to get
it published by you being in the city there and your background and
knowledge of meteorites. Congratulations on getting your letter noticed to
help all collectors.
All the best!
Brian
Hello,
I have Auctions Ending over the next 4 days A BIG SALE GOING ON! Also, this
is one of those times where I am WILLING to think about fair offers...need to
raise some funds to retrieve some finds from the field! HAVE FUN!
Thanks,
Michael Cottingham
ALL SALE ITEMS HERE:
List,
I am curious why almost every meteorite dealer's website displays
specimens that have already sold right along side specimens that are
in stock and available for sale? I do not know of any other market
that does this; it is unique to meteorites in my experiences. As a
Because we're to lazy to update our websites. Simple as that.
Take a look at mine - I don't think its been updated in nearly 3 years!
Ryan
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Just to make us drool over the ones we missed! I imagine that they're
left up to build interest in the specimen. Kind of a 'better get it
now' or soon they'll all be sold approach.
Bob
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:22 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote:
Because we're to lazy to update our websites.
It's also kinda nice to have up pictures of past sold specimens. You
put a lot of time and effort into photography and web design, seems a
waste to delete things!
-YvW
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:
List,
I am curious why almost every meteorite
Hello,
Mike, it can also mean I sold this one but I might have more that I have
not had time to post yet, so email me and ask!
And that is very often the case with me.
I probably have 150-200 pieces that I haven't found time to post yet, other
problems keep on getting in the way. But I keep on
Hi
This is not unique to meteorite. Other shops also have products unavailable
or just sold out and waiting for new shipments.
And sometimes is nice to show late buyer what he missed and how looks other
slices that was sold (most cases if specimen have low TKW). But indeed we
are bussy
Just a thought here and I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but would
it be any difference to present the rebuttal as an editorial? Aren't
editorials published unedited or am I wrong?
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA,
One reason is that a lot of the dealers who run a use a website to sell the
meteorites, do not run and/or edit the website themselves. and do not have it
set so that once one is sold it is removed. Also all other markets do not
sell one of a kind items like meteorites, when something is sold,
Hi List,
No doubt I'm aware that 'news'papers edit letterI was primarily
referring to the degree that context changed from Darryl's precise words.
Adam's advice rings HUGELY truewe should shun the presses that have
agendas: even highly finely crafted words will be slaughtered to bend
Autograph dealers who deal in one of a kind items usually remove or archive
the items once they are sold.
Mark
Mark Grossman
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Sent:
I do not know of any other market that does this.
I do.
Fine Art dealers, numismatic dealers, artifacts auction houses, high-end
antique book shops ect..
And finally, Michael, we're talking about meteorites!
Everything else than a run-of-the-mills-market like the above mentioned ;-)
And
I should have noted that although I am not a dealer per say, my website still
needs quite an update/redesign, ect. regardless.
Dealers who did not produce their own website most likely don't have the
capability to update it each time a specimen sells. Furthermore, each
individual update made
Hi Gang,
In my case, I offer mostly micromounts, so keeping dozens of redundant
photos of small crumbs doesn't hold any value in terms of keeping a
record. For larger pieces, I'll keep the specimen online for a couple
of weeks - long enough for the buyer to receive the specimen and
compare it to
Hi Michael. I feel your pain. I know that I have shopped around and several
times I found a specimen I was interested in that did not have a sold next
to it. I would email the Dealer/Seller of my interest, only to find out it
was sold. It would bum me out, I'll admit. Seems logical that has
Let's see if this one posts. Another post I sent at least 4 hours ago hasn't
come up yet...
As a collector, I've been really frustrated by how wide spread the lack of
interest in maintaining one's website actually is. As you point our often the
sites are filled with items already sold. I know
Hello listees,
I am sure that by now most everyone on here has at-least visited the SkyRock
Cafe, many of you are members and have been since 2006.
For anyone who has not yet checked out the longest current forum dedicated
to meteorites.
Our members are very eager to help anyone with
I will be there!!! I can't wait..It is my first and it's the 20th
anniversary. They already have 140 vendors!! Will have plenty of pictures
for FB.
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
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From:
Hi List. I have put up the 1/2 gm of Ausson Meteorite on eBay as an Auction
Style instead of a Buy it Now. My last 2 pieces of Actual Brick Slices from
the Original Wold Cottage Monument, directly acquired from Rob Elliott are
also an Auction Style rather the a Buy it Now.
This will move some
Why not move them to a sold page seems that would be more productive. I
find myself doing the same thing. If I see a bunch marked sold I usually
lose interest pretty quick and move on.
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
Uncle Alexander, where art thou?
You have to tell the old stories to the Youth,
who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type for a minute an
electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to wait another
minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite specimen.
Tell
Well said Richard. I totally agree.
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secr.,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
IMCA #9052
Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA
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From: Richard Kowalski
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:12 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re:
Death by GPS in desert by Tom Knudson, The
Sacremento Bee, Jan. 30, 2011,
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/01/30/3362727/death-by-gps-in-desert.html
Experts Warn of 'Death by GPS' as More People Visit
Remote Wildernesses, FoxNews.com,February 04, 2011
I would say Dealers leave sold items on the website because it shows the buyers
what they have sold in the past and also it builds up there reputation of their
dealings in a since its a resume. If I went to a website and only saw a couple
items that they have and nothing else I would think
Hi List,
Martin and Shawn raised a couple of good points. Old-school
collectors bought specimens via snail mail and telephone calls,
sometimes without seeing a photo of a specimen. Some dealers like Bob
Haag had catalogues with photos and descriptions, but many had simple
price lists with
G'Day Joe
Now don't get me wrong over this, but it seems like you have been
neglecting your forum for quite some time. It was one hell of a place to
hang out at, but slowly deteriorated. That could be for a number of
reasons, we're all going through a tough trot at the moment. I've
neglected my
List,
I appreciate all of the responses, both on- and off-list. It appears
to me that the #1 reasons for leaving SOLD items up is a lack of time,
3rd party hosting, or added expense to keep the web page up-to-date.
I can fully appreciate these reasons. I also appreciate the resumé,
so to speak,
For those of us who spend most of our time hunting meteorites in the field, for
me meaning overseas, we just do not have the time needed to update enough. My
site has more than 50 pages of meteorites, in the las 6 months I have only
updated about 10 of them. Often now when I get a new
These damn whippersnappers! In my day we used to walk 5 miles to school in the
driving snow, in June. And it was uphill against the wind in both directions!
Sorry to be a little tongue in cheek there, but that's what it sounds like.
Yes. I've purchase meteorites, this year in fact, sight
All,
This is an interesting question with important nuances. I am one that does
leave many sold items pictured (but I do endeavor to marke them sold ASAP).
Here's why I do it: The items we sell, each and every one of them, are
unique.
It is not like listing a particular stock item that was
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Michael Mulgrew wrote:
Speaking purely as a consumer I would recommend that dealers make the time
or
find the resources to more clearly differentiate between SOLD and FOR SALE
items rather than having them all lumped together.
Speaking as a collector and meteorophille, I've no
Just saw a bright blue meteor come nearly straight down directly west of here.
Visible for a good 3 seconds before it disappeared behind the trees on the
horizon. Any small bit that made it to the ground probably ended up somewhere
around Mifflin, WI or S.
Ryan
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I would appreciate your thoughts on this. For a long time, when I
was updating a sold item, I left the asking price visible.
Norm, I prefer the asking price be left--we understand that some deals are
made
to special
Ok, maybe not Mifflin but in that general vacinity ; )
How cool would that be? Mifflin B!
Ryan
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I had an interesting call from a gentleman in Lombard Illinois. He has an 8
pound rock that bounced off his roof. After careful examination, I explained
that it was probably not a meteorite but that it wasn't my place to discount
the possibility entirely. I suggested he have a piece sliced and
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