Sorry for the burn,
I suggest the following:
1) If you paid via PayPal, dispute the payment.
2) No - shale is shale and iron is iron.
3) If he has an IMCA #, Complain to the organization and
Request an intervention - I believe they provide this, though
It may be called mediation or the
Not only is it not oriented. The RSPOD has a
responsibility to edit questionable descriptions not
that it has become good reference point for
collectors, new and old.
My vote is to change the description.
Don
--- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok would someone that believes this is an
Happy to confirm this, Elton, as this specimen is in my collection and I'm
looking at it right now. You can go to www.fallingrocks.com, click the sign
on the home page, click the smaller sign on the collection page (to All),
scroll down to NWA XXX and you will find anterior and posterior images
Geez,
Daves obviously devoting plenty of his personal time to introduce meteorites to
these kids. Shouldnt he be commended on that rather than this criticism.
BE
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From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not only is it not oriented. The RSPOD
Elton, others,
in this case, and regarding the thoroughly curated and painstakingly documented
collection Dave keeps, I would rather trust the owner's judgement instead of
your photo interpretation skills - however visionary they may be.
Besides there is currently no need to defend Dave as
Good morning list.After looking at that piece and
others on Dave site,I do not know for sure of the
orientation part.But if you look at his collection
page,there is a BEAUTIFUL 608 gram Holbrook piece
which shows the ultimate orientation pattern with a
very nice flow pattern.That piece is to die
Hi Michael
There are several changes coming to the Ebay feedback system. One that
will address the retaliation feedback is number 2;
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html
What changes are being made to the eBay Feedback system?
There are five key elements to the new Feedback system
in my experience, the single most problematic term in meteorite
commerce is orientation. this seems to be in part due to a
reluctance to differentiate objects which exhibit a bit of
orientation from those which exhibit nothing but orientation.
the new generation of collectors are not
Folks,
I've seen that piece up close and personal - there is no doubt it is
oriented.
Simply a matter of how the student was holding the specimen.
Elton does make a good point about how some dealers are scrambling to
add the word Oriented or even Crust / Bullet / Hole, etc. to their
Steve,
Dont quote me on saying orientation is in the eye of
the beholder I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT. Thats a ridiculous statement. You can
use that statement when you see a meteorite on ebay and the seller is claiming
that it looks like a Dragon, or a butterfy or whatever.
Orientation is the
Bob,
I think that is the point of how all this got started.
That photo in RSPOTD does not show the orientation of
the meteorite. Dave graciously pointed us all to his
website for more photos.
So it is possible that the ebay dealer wantabees could
use that photo as proof that the meteorite
Great catch Darren, Most astounding at this point in our studies the Red
Planet and another reason to be cautious in our endeavors to land actual
guys out there.
Jerry Flaherty
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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List
Svend makes the exact point I was going to make. The picture clearly
shows that this large stone is probable a meteorite, but how can
anyone determine whether or not it is oriented by looking at one low
res picture.
I for one commend Dave for the efforts he's making to share
meteorites with
Thanks for your note, Don. However, I'm not sure that bad pseudoscience,
mockery over an oriented sphere, candle generated fusion crust, dubious
claims and the like are merely questioning the orientation of the
meteorite as shown in the photo. You started your own response with Not
only is it
Thanks, John (and Svend). It's is great that the overwhelming majority of
respondents (most off line) get the point...
All the best,
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JKGwilliam
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:16 AM
To: [EMAIL
Dave has done a heck of a lot toward educating others, particularly kids,
about meteorites.
Dave and I and a few others are members of the Meteorite Association
of Georgia, and I am very proud and pleased to be in the same association as
Dave.
-Walter Branch
Hi Everyone!
I received a 2-kilo batch of UNWA stony stuff
yesterday.
There was a mix of the usual - some weathered stuff,
some relatively-fresh crust, and everything in
between.
But buried in the batch was 2 small stones that are
unlike anything else I have received in this kilo
batches. I
Walter,
Speaking of the Meteorite Association of GA, send me a photo of yourself so
that I can update the membership list page!
Sean.
(that goes for any of you other MAG people lurking out there...)
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From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Come on people, this has been a pet peeve of mine for
many years. I go on eBay, or I see the Rocks from
Space photos all the time, with meteorites claimed to
be oriented. Half of these people would not know what
oriented was if it fell an embedded in their heads!
Dave's stone is nice, not highly
Check out these spectacular pieces ending on ebay
tonight, half of them are at one cent bid right now!
Somce examples include these nice pieces, but be sure
to see everything.
There are more than 50 auctions, the links below are
just a taste. See them all and pick up some great
deals.
Mike and List,
Mike, thanks for getting this debate -- which emerged for all of the wrong
reasons -- onto some quality ground. There is absolutely no doubt that the
term oriented is abused and that this is a problem. It's great to have
watch dogs out there, but rabid and presumptive dogs are not
Dave, no problem, I think the attack on you was not
justified, I know that the photo did not show any hint
of orientation, and perhaps more photos would have
been good but a request for more photos or explanation
would have been better. I got a call from Morocco
today at 5 am about a large
The important part of that photo was the
look on that kids face! He was clearly thrilled at
Yes, Mike. You are correct. That was the whole point of the
photo.
Now, about those specks . :-)
-Walter Branch
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- Original Message
Michael and List,
I never saw a meteorite when I was a kid, either, and I often wonder what I
might have done differently in life had that not been the case. My schedule
doesn't allow for a lot of free time either, but it's a priority and I just
do the best I can with it. Definitely worth the
Hi Dave and all,
I agree that the point of the picture is showing the enjoyment on the
face of the student, and in a way the enjoyment you get from showing
your collection to others. As a collector it is one of the most exciting
parts. At any opportunity I am ready to pack up some of my
Michael;
Excellent stone meteorite photo.Thanks for sharing with us.And thanks to the
owner of such a massive stone for sharing also.I seems that the student is
being infected by the meteorite bug,at least he looks like it,Hope so.
Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770
Graham List,
It's fantastic that you're doing this, Graham! And thanks for your support
of the concept. I have had similar concerns re: security, but have never
had a single problem (knock on wood). Cataloging your collection with
photographs is a great step to increase security. I've heard
Great Idea Darryl,
I am going to work on a small book outlining such a scale -
graded from 1 to 10, and as definitive as coin grading Of course
there will always be differences of interpretation - but no one
should come up with a 7 for something most will see as a 2 or 3.
Neither
Agreed and put far better than I, Darryl-- and that was the point to my
post-- not attacking anyone and definitely not attacking anyone in
particular. When oriented is unquantified then anything and
everything could be oriented. I can't download the Dave sent me but I
am comfortable that he did
Harald
Please could you contact me off-list as a matter of
urgency.
In anticipation
Best regards
Rob McCafferty
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Hi all,
The use of subjective adjectives in advertising/marketing has always
bothered me. Some of the dealers on this list do it. Some of the dealers
in the rock and mineral community also do it. Dealers in all industries do
it. Terms like rare, scarce, one of a kind, etc. And of course
Hi all,
I know what orientation is and can spot it when it's obvious, but sometimes
I just don't see it like some of you. I'm still a newbie, so I don't have
the experience yet, but when I look at some pictures on the web, I see some
signs of it but they don't truly tell me that this meteorite
List,
Have been asked again to give a little talk to our local astromy club on
meteorites. Basically an introduction and then QA period.
Wondering if there is any introduction to meteorite material available.
Images:
-Explaining meteorite formation theories (chondrites, pallasites, irons,
not that it has become good reference point for collectors, new and old.
I beg to differ Don, or did you not edit your description
Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
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Hi all -
The oriented Sikote Ailin offered for sale has got me
to thinking - this impactor had to come in as a
swarmm, with one main body later air bursting? I
don't see how a fragment could have oriented after the
air burst, but perhaps someone out there on the list
would be generous enough to
I want to announce the start of the contest for a piece of the
Carancas meteorite, and also may artifacts related to fall.
I hope everyone can enter and everyone has a good chance of winning.
There will be a 1st 2nd and 3rd prizes. They will be judged in the
order they are received. here is a link
I am putting together an email that will introduce two of my Junior High
students to the wonderful and bizzare world of the -TA TAH- meteorite
collectior.
Please read and feel free to offer any sugestions. Please let me know if
I've left out any important info or need to include something.
Any
I amr putting together an email that will introduce two of my Junior High
students to the wonderful and bizzare world of the -TA TAH- meteorite
collectior.
Please read and feel free to offer any sugestions. Please let me know if
I've left out any important info or need to include something.
Hi Pete-
Just a few comments. Be careful mixing meteoroid, asteroid, and comet-
especially comet. People are confused enough as it is between comets and
meteors. Realistically, meteoroids, asteroids, and comets are different
things (even though an asteroid or comet could become a meteor, and
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:05:07 -0700, you wrote:
Just a few comments. Be careful mixing meteoroid, asteroid, and comet-
especially comet. People are confused enough as it is between comets and
meteors.
Also not to be confused with Metroid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_5_2008.html
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Hello E.P--It was more dynamic than a single disruption. If I recall,
there were 14-17(?) or more major explosive disruptions. Each should
have produced a separate swarm of fragments. Be it remembered that ALL
fragments born of these swarms were shrapnel-shaped if but for an
instant before
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