Re: [meteorite-list] Reward offered for meteorite find

2008-11-26 Thread tett

Roman,

Yes, if there is lots of material in Canadian institutions then it will be 
much easier to get a permit.  But, in the end, one will always be able to 
sell a Canadian meteorite.


See this link: 
http://easweb.eas.ualberta.ca/download/file/meteorite_regulations.pdf


Mike

P.S.: The two big lads are flying west tomorrow morning.



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One definitely needs to apply for an export permit. If enough material 
made it to Canadian
institutions for study or the national collection, then a permit should be 
granted.

If not, then they can refuse the permit. My take on it.

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek


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Mike,

This meteorite will be protected by the Canadian Cultural and Heritage 
act. This means that it would be illegal to export any fragments or 
individuals without clearance from the Canadian government.  To get 
clearance you would need to apply to the government and then the 
government would need to make a counter offer equal to the market value 
of the meteorite.  If they do not make an offer then they are obligated 
to allow export.  I am told this would take about 6-8 months but could be 
a little longer.


It is legal to export Canadian meteorites but one must give the Canadian 
government first right of refusal.  At least, this is the way I 
understand things.


Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn
Owen Sound, Ontario


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What is the relationship of this verses the meteorite being Canadian 
property? I really hope he is able to get some of it though if it can be 
found.


Mike


http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081124/CGY_meteorite_reward_081124/20081124/?hub=CalgaryHome

Reward offered for meteorite find
Updated: Mon Nov. 24 2008 17:15:47


An Arizona meteorite hunter is offering a big reward for anyone who 
finds a piece of the giant fireball that blazed across Alberta last 
week.


The incredible object from space lit up the night sky on Thursday and 
was the talk of Western Canadians and space enthusiasts around the 
world.


Some experts believe the meteor fell east of Wainwright just across the 
border with Saskatchewan.


Scientists and treasure hunters from across the province, including 
Calgary, are scouring that area trying to find the debris trail.


Robert Haag, who runs a meteorite website in the U-S, says he'll pay 10 
thousand dollars to the first person to find a piece.


Meteorite hunting can be a lucrative trade. Haag estimates there could 
be as much as one million dollars worth of meteorites on the ground from 
this single meteor. A basketball-sized piece could sell for up to 50 
thousand dollars.






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[meteorite-list] NWA 3144 - Grein 004

2008-11-26 Thread Zelimir Gabelica

Hi List,

Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not 
send through his server.


I have my own question:
does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004  ? (not in 
Met. Bull.)


Thanks!

Zelimir
--

Hello List,

I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
See here:
http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html

Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés) 
still has a provisional status.

I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its 
status ?

Thanks and all the best,

Roger.



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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 3144 - Grein 004

2008-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi Zélimir and List,

 does anybody know the official status of
 meteorite Grein 004? (not in Met.Bull.)

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Norbert Classen wrote this to the List:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Best,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Please visit my new thin section photography collection website

2008-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli
Jeff wrote:

I just finished working on my new website to display my thin section 
collection and photography. So far I have photos up for 18 meteorites. 

I did enjoy the photographic journey through
your meteorite thin section collection. Thank
you very much for sharing!

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread Zelimir Gabelica

Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa.
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand 
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the 
meteorite synonyms).


Bernd said:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg 
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and 
not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the 
figure.


The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do 
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type 
could not be defined.


Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total 
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa 
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a 
PAUNGR, possibly CR-related.

More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg


Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue 
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?


And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so 
far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)


All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit :

Hi Zelimir,

I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset -
I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller
mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified
and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps...

All the best,
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Hi List,

Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not
send through his server.

I have my own question:
does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004  ? (not in
Met. Bull.)

Thanks!

Zelimir
--

Hello List,

I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
See here:
http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html

Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés)
still has a provisional status.
I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its
status ?
Thanks and all the best,

Roger.



Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15

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[meteorite-list] 2 g claxton for trade for NWA slice

2008-11-26 Thread mckinney trammell
2.1 g claxton slice w/ crusted edge for trade for plate-sized NWA UNCLASSIFIED, 
SOLID slice, 1/4 thick, no cracks. must have metal flakes. please email off 
list w/ pix. will also consider 20g + marjahlati slice or large seymchan slice 
w/ green olivine, 1/4 thick, more metal than crystals. 


  
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[meteorite-list] udei station +marjahlati pix?

2008-11-26 Thread mckinney trammell
anybody got pix of any of these with FUSION CRUST? or did they just all fall as 
etched slices?


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 26, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Jerry Flaherty

Thank you again Michael.
I think that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to roll 
out this daily service. If they visit your site they'll become aware that 
you do this on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to produce our daily fix.

Jerry Flaherty
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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay Auctions ending on Saturday

2008-11-26 Thread meteoriteshow
Dear All,

Our auctions will sart ending on Saturday, some of them still at the starting
price of $1.00 US at the time i start writing this email and as usual they can
be seen at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow.

They include:

1/ DAG 573 L4 - 13.9g full slice, still at starting price...
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-573-L4-13-9g-full-slice_W0QQitemZ330286844519QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2/ HaH299 H6 - 10.7g endcut, still at a very low price of $1.25 so far!
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-10-7g-endcut_W0QQitemZ330286844572QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3/ NWA XXX - 0.3g partslice - HOWARDITE, a small piece for lower budget, still
at starting price and not even 1 bid yet!!!

4/ NWA XXX - 6.5g Partslice - HOWARDITE, a larger and gorgeous partslice of this
beautiful and VERY FRESH howardite according to the lab that is still working on
its classification. You should not miss this opportunity...
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5/ SAH 02503 CV3 - 2.1g partslice. This is really a beautiful CV3, with sharply
defined chondrule and CAIs in the dark grey matrix... The price of $2.25 tha has
been reached so far is providing you the chance of a great deal!
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6/ SET OF 7 NWA OCs - FUSION CRUST - 48.1g, complete individuals
L  H estimated and 2 of them LL estimated, 3 very fresh ones
Have a look, some can be ORIENTED!!!
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7/ TATAHOUINE DIO - 1.5g - WITNESSED FALL!, 4 fragments for a total weight of
1.5g, and also still at starting price.
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Thanks again and kind regards!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi All,

And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody
seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)

Zélimir, that's a misunderstanding! I only quoted what
Norbert wrote to the List. These are not my words!

Best,

Bernd




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[meteorite-list] Donation(s)

2008-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli
Hi again,

Jerry wrote: 

you do this on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to produce our daily fix.

Aye, Aye !!!

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 26, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Jim Strope
I know it is not obvious from Michael's dailing posting page so here is a 
link for those who want to donate:


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/donations.html


Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

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From: Jerry Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
November 26, 2008
To: Michael Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite List 
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Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 12:46 PM
Thank you again Michael.
I think that more folks on the list would like to help you
continue to roll out this daily service. If they visit your
site they'll become aware that you do this on your own
and barely hint that a small donation will help. That and a
continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the
process all helps to produce our daily fix.
Jerry Flaherty


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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day My thoughts

2008-11-26 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
I agree,  Michael does us all a favor  nearly every day.  

My suggestion is that we all ask our selves when  we make a submission to 
Michael for inclusion in his site: Is our submission  just to share with all or 
are we promoting material we may have for  sale?

If we are using his service as an advertisement then send some $  his way.  I 
have talked to Michael and he is not doing the POD for profit,  but there are 
ongoing costs to maintaining a site with the large amount of  images he hosts.

I have a large image Gallery of micrographs.  I am  lucky that Meteorite 
Times is the host of it.  If I had to maintain it and  pay for the cost of 
keeping 
it free and available to every one, I would of  closed it down long ago.  
Paul (Meteorite Times) puts in a huge amount of  work into the updates and 
maintenance of my Gallery and I am sure Michael has  just as much work 
maintaining 
his site.

I am in no way speaking for any  one!!!  These are just my thoughts on the 
subject.

Tom  Phillips


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Thank you again Michael.
I think  that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to roll 
out this  daily service. If they visit your site they'll become aware that 
you do this  on your own and barely hint that a small donation will help. 
That and a  continuous input by them of their favorites to feed the process 
all helps to  produce our daily fix.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread Impactika
Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all,

In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the 
classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be 
published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so  the new 
classification should be announced pretty soon. 
And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would 
prefer to let them tell the story themselves. 

More soon.
 
Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa.
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand 
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the 
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg 
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
and 
not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the 
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do 
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type 
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total 
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa 
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a 
PAUNGR, possibly CR-related.
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue 
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so 
far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit :
Hi Zelimir,

I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset -
I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller
mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified
and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps...

All the best,
Norbert


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[meteorite-list] Test

2008-11-26 Thread Wayne Holmes

Test/Test
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[meteorite-list] Second Group of Mercury Craters Named (MESSENGER)

2008-11-26 Thread Ron Baalke

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=115

MESSENGER Mission News
November 26, 2008

Second Group of Mercury Craters Named

The International Astronomical Union (IAU) recently approved a proposal
from the MESSENGER Science Team to name 15 craters on Mercury. All of
the newly named craters were imaged during the mission's first flyby of
the solar system's innermost planet in January 2008.

The IAU has been the arbiter of planetary and satellite nomenclature
since its inception in 1919. In keeping with the established naming
theme for craters on Mercury, all of the craters are named after famous
deceased artists, musicians, or authors.

We're pleased that the IAU has again acted promptly to approve this new
set of names for prominent craters on Mercury, says MESSENGER Principal
Investigator Sean Solomon of the Carnegie Institution of Washington.
These latest names honor a diverse suite of some of the most
accomplished contributors to mankind's higher aspirations. They also
make it much easier for planetary scientists to refer to major features
on Mercury in talks and publications.

The newly named craters include:
o Amaral, after Tarsila do Amaral of Brazil, considered one of the
leading Latin American modernist artists.
o Dalí, after Salvador Dalí, a Spanish painter and leader of the
Surrealist Movement.
o Enwonwu, after sculptor and painter Benedict Chukwukadibia Enwonwu,
the most renowned Nigerian artist of the 20th century.
o Glinka, after Mikhail Glinka, a Russian composer considered to be the
father of genuinely Russian music.
o Hovnatanian, after Hakop Hovnatanian, an Armenian painter known for
his portraits.
o Beckett, after Clarice Beckett, recognized as one of Australia's most
important modernist artists.
o Moody, after Ronald Moody, a self-taught, Jamaica-born sculptor and
painter who found success in mid-20th-century London and Paris.
o Munch, after Edvard Munch, a Norwegian Symbolist painter, printmaker,
and draftsman, perhaps most well-known for his painting The Scream.
o Navoi, after Alisher Navoi, a 15th century Uzbek poet, considered by
many to be the founder of early Turkic literature.
o Nawahi, after Joseph Nawahi, a self-taught artist, lawyer, educator,
publisher, member of the Hawaiian legislature for many years, and
principal adviser to Hawaii's Queen Lili'uokalani.
o Oskison, after John Milton Oskison, a Cherokee author who served as
editor and editorial writer for the New York Evening Post.
o Poe, after Edgar Allan Poe, American poet, critic, editor, and author.
Best known for his tales of mystery and the macabre.
o Qi Baishi, after Qi Baishi, a renowned Chinese painter known for his
whimsical water colors.
o Raden Saleh, after Raden Saleh, a 19th century Javanese naturalist
painter considered to be the first modern artist from what is now Indonesia.
o Sher-Gil, after Amrita Sher-Gil, an eminent Indian painter, today
considered an important female painter of 20th-century India.

It was quite enjoyable to consider candidate names from among the
world's most accomplished people in the arts and humanities, says
MESSENGER Participating Scientist Dave Blewett, of the Johns Hopkins
University Applied Physics Laboratory, in Laurel, Md. It's also
gratifying to have the IAU approve names that have meaning to the team
members. For example, the crater Poe (named for Edgar Allan Poe) was a
popular choice, as he happens to be a local favorite because of his
Baltimore ties.

Having names for many of the prominent craters will help us to remember
and discuss specific locations in this previously 'undiscovered
country,' adds Blewett.

An image of Mercury showing the locations of the newly named features is
available online at
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2image_id=276.

The addition of these craters, along with the 12 features named in
April, brings the total to 27 newly named surface features for Mercury
in 2008. In September 2009 MESSENGER will complete a third and final
flyby of Mercury before becoming the first spacecraft to orbit the
planet, beginning in March 2011.


MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and
Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet
Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest
to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and
after flybys of Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of
its target planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie
Institution of Washington, leads the mission as principal investigator. 
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and 
operates the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery -class 
mission for NASA.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread Norbert Classen
Dear Zelimir,

Yes, the Freiburg mass surely is Tafassasset - no doubt about that. And
Dr. Otto won't do any further work on it because he emerited from Freiburg
University in the meantime. But if you like to ask him for details about the
Freiburg mass I'm sure he is willing to provide you with a wealth of
information :-)

Best,
Norbert

PS: You are absolutely correct about the TKW of Tafassasset - the original
MetBull includes both, the Freiburg mass, and the additional masses that
were studies in France. 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2008 17:51
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Norbert Classen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zelimir
Gabelica
Betreff: Grein 004/Tafassasset

Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa.
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the Tafassasset
Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you
agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a
PAUNGR, possibly CR-related.
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so
far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit :
Hi Zelimir,

I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset 
- I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the 
smaller mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, 
classified and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might 
want to contact Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can 
be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps...

All the best,
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Hi List,

Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can 
not send through his server.

I have my own question:
does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004  ? (not 
in Met. Bull.)

Thanks!

Zelimir
--

Hello List,

I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
See here:
http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html

Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the 
Hupés) still has a provisional status.
I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on 
its status ?
Thanks and all the best,

Roger.



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Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
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[meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

2008-11-26 Thread mmorgan
Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? Was it 
Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??

Matt
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Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

2008-11-26 Thread Chris Peterson

Does witnessed by dinosaurs count? g

Chris

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Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg, ever witnessed? Was 
it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??


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Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread Matthias Bärmann

O please, Anne, spare us such a thrill.

My Tafa-slice longs for knowing what it definitely is.

My best,

Matthias

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:55 PM
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Hello Zelimir, Norbert and all,

In a very recent conversation Tony Irving told me that he was re-doing the
classification of Tafassasset with Ted Bunch, and that the results would be
published in a formal paper. I belive they are practically done so  the new
classification should be announced pretty soon.
And it is not bracchinite or CR6, and it is very interesting, but I would
prefer to let them tell the story themselves.

More soon.

Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:52:23 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa.
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I have not my archives on hand
here in France (BM Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the
meteorite synonyms).

Bernd said:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for Tafassasset is then 110 kg
(Franch find) + 3.61 kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg (approx), which well fits the
figure.

The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do
you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied separately and that the real type
could not be defined.

Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 (= Tenere 001), a total
weight of exactly 3.636 kg, also that is brachinite-related and that Tafa
itself (separately listed by Weir but said being paired with T-1) is a
PAUNGR, possibly CR-related.
More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined and that the tkw is close
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg

Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on that or whether they continue
to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?

And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? Everybody seems to agree so
far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)

All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit :

Hi Zelimir,

I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset -
I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the 
smaller

mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified
and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps...

All the best,
Norbert



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November26, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Dave Gheesling
All,
In case anyone missed it, the RFSPOD donation link is in Jim's note below
;-)  I'd apologize for the double post, but this is expensive for Michael so
every little bit helps him out very much...
Best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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November26, 2008

I know it is not obvious from Michael's dailing posting page so here is a
link for those who want to donate:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/donations.html


Jim Strope
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Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com

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 Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 12:46 PM Thank you again Michael.
 I think that more folks on the list would like to help you continue to 
 roll out this daily service. If they visit your site they'll become 
 aware that you do this on your own and barely hint that a small 
 donation will help. That and a continuous input by them of their 
 favorites to feed the process all helps to produce our daily fix.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

2008-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli
Matt is wondering:

Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
 ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??

Hi Matt and List,

Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) can 
tell :-)

1. Sikhote-Alin
2. Jilin
3. Allende
4. Pultusk
5. Norton County


Best pre-Xmas wishes,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

2008-11-26 Thread mexicodoug
Yes, Matt, of all the¨Official meteorite names, Sikhote-Alin 
represents:


45.9% of the witnessed TKW in Dr. Grossman's Database.

Dr. Grossman's database does not include Gao and Monze which were 
fairly large falls and could slightly adjust that number down a 
percentage point or two.


Bernd, Kunya-Urgench (plus the so-called Official Dashoguz) in your 
database and not make the cut?


For reference when comparing these numbers, the USGS dadabase shows 
Sikhote Alin as 23 metric tons (over 25 of the American 2000 pounder 
tons).


Best wishes,
Doug


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Matt is wondering:

Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??

Hi Matt and List,

Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) 
can tell

:-)

1. Sikhote-Alin
2. Jilin
3. Allende
4. Pultusk
5. Norton County


Best pre-Xmas wishes,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Todd Parker's new find

2008-11-26 Thread Wayne Holmes

Hello list
Todd Parker found his 4th new find in AZ. Todd has found 2 new areas and may 
receive a classification soon from Ted Bunch on his Bullhead Laughlin find. 
Check out my web site for pics and info.

Regards
Wayne Holmes
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day My thoughts

2008-11-26 Thread Don Rawlings
Take a look through the archives on Michael's site and you may find that there 
are a lot of postings that correspond to sales.

Maybe a line should be drawn somewhere on this taking advantage of Michael.

Don Rawlings


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 I agree,  Michael does us all a favor  nearly every day.  
 
 My suggestion is that we all ask our selves when  we make a
 submission to 
 Michael for inclusion in his site: Is our submission  just
 to share with all or 
 are we promoting material we may have for  sale?
 
 If we are using his service as an advertisement then send
 some $  his way.  I 
 have talked to Michael and he is not doing the POD for
 profit,  but there are 
 ongoing costs to maintaining a site with the large amount
 of  images he hosts.
 
 I have a large image Gallery of micrographs.  I am  lucky
 that Meteorite 
 Times is the host of it.  If I had to maintain it and  pay
 for the cost of keeping 
 it free and available to every one, I would of  closed it
 down long ago.  
 Paul (Meteorite Times) puts in a huge amount of  work into
 the updates and 
 maintenance of my Gallery and I am sure Michael has  just
 as much work maintaining 
 his site.
 
 I am in no way speaking for any  one!!!  These are just my
 thoughts on the 
 subject.
 
 Tom  Phillips
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Largest fall in the world?

2008-11-26 Thread Jerry Flaherty

I still like the  dinosaur quip!!
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Matt is wondering:

Am wondering what is the largest fall, in terms of kg,
ever witnessed? Was it Sikhote-Alin at 28 tons??

Hi Matt and List,

Yes, as far as I can tell ... I had better say as far as my database(s) 
can tell :-)


1. Sikhote-Alin
2. Jilin
3. Allende
4. Pultusk
5. Norton County


Best pre-Xmas wishes,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Black Friday - Zag Sale - 24 HOURS ONLY

2008-11-26 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin

I have had a lot of success by offering my large Zag Slices for $2 per gram.

So for 1 day only I will extend that same $2 per gram price to ANY Zag slice 
on my website


I only have 2 large slices left and a nice variety of smaller slices.  All 
of the fragments are sold :)


After tomorrow night the prices will go back up to $3 per gram

I was able to get my photobucket account working so there are updated images 
on my web site at


http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm

If you are interested in anything listed please contact me off list at 
bobadebt at ec.rr.com


Thanks

PS - Sorry for the extra ad this week but it's Black Friday :) 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Grein 004/Tafassasset

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Grossman

I want to reiterate something I've said before:

There is no such thing as an official 
classification.  The Meteoritical Bulletin, the 
Catalogue of Meteorites, the MetBull 
Database,  A to Z, MetBase, other catalogs, and 
all research papers and abstracts are 
publications in which authors/editors classify 
meteorites according to their own opinions.  In 
the case of the Bulletin, the editors are the 
members of the Nomenclature Committee.  However, 
there is no official 
Meteoritical-Society-endorsed classification 
scheme for them to apply, so they do whatever 
they like(and this changes with their membership).


Jeff

At 11:51 AM 11/26/2008, Zelimir Gabelica wrote:

Hi Norbert, Bernd, Harald, List,

Thank you very much for the info about Grein 004/Tenere 001/Tafa.
I indeed read that somewhere sometimes but I 
have not my archives on hand here in France (BM 
Met. Catalog (Grady) indeed currently gives most of the meteorite synonyms).


Bernd said:

Grein 004 as well as Tenere 001 are just synonyms for the
Tafassasset Freiburg mass, a single stone weighing 3610 grams.
It's no pairing.

Bernd, Norbert, does that mean that the tkw for 
Tafassasset is then 110 kg (Franch find) + 3.61 
kg (Grein 004) = 113.61 kg ? (thus 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg as in A to Z ?).
Met. Bull. indeed reports the tkw as 114 kg 
(approx), which well fits the figure.


The official type so far is CR-an (Met. Bull.), 
or PAUNGR (A to Z). Do you agree ?
I know that both meteorites were studied 
separately and that the real type could not be defined.


Note that Weir (his web site) reports, for T-1 
(= Tenere 001), a total weight of exactly 3.636 
kg, also that is brachinite-related and that 
Tafa itself (separately listed by Weir but said 
being paired with T-1) is a PAUNGR, possibly CR-related.

More recent studies seem to still question that CR-relation...

I understand the real type is yet to be defined 
and that the tkw is close to [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg, more specifically [EMAIL PROTECTED] kg


Norbert, do you think Prof Otto knows more on 
that or whether they continue to study this meteorite in Freiburg ?


And Bernd, what you mean by it's no pairing ? 
Everybody seems to agree so far that the Freiburg mass is also Tafa. (?)


All my best,

Zelimir


A 12:19 26/11/2008 +0100, vous avez écrit :

Hi Zelimir,

I don't know for NWA 3144, but Grein 004 is a synonym for Tafassasset -
I'm pretty sure of that. Grein 004 was a working name used for the smaller
mass which was later named as the Tafassasset Freiburg mass, classified
and studied by my friend Dr. Otto in Freiburg. You might want to contact
Juergen Otto in this matter, just to make sure - he can be reached at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps...

All the best,
Norbert

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Hi List,

Heredown is a message of Roger Warin (Belgium) that he apparently can not
send through his server.

I have my own question:
does anybody know the official status of meteorite Grein 004  ? (not in
Met. Bull.)

Thanks!

Zelimir
--

Hello List,

I have put some pics of NWA 3144 (CV3) thin sections on our local site.
See here:
http://www.agab.be/meteorites/Thin/thin.html

Met. Bull. reports that this meteorite (found or purchased by the Hupés)
still has a provisional status.
I'd be glad to learn more about this meteorite.
Could someone provide some data (if any) or send further comments on its
status ?
Thanks and all the best,

Roger.



Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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Reston, VA 20192, USA


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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Paul Harris

Hi Michael !

Thank you so much for being back online!  I'm sorry for whatever 
difficulties kept you away for a while.


I just wanted to say that I don't mind where the pictures come from. I 
think it's more important that you get a steady flow of quality pictures 
so you don't have to waste time trying to acquire them.  You've been 
doing an excellent job for years now and I think you know what works best.


Thank you again!

Paul


Michael Johnson wrote:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Pat Brown
Hi Michael and Fellow Listiods, 

I will add my voice to the chorus, we are glad to see you back on the list with 
your RfSPOD. I also want to thank Michael Gilmer for filling the void. 

Some of the incredible meteorites on RfSPOD are for sale and are using RfSPOD 
as an erzats advertising channel. I do not find this offensive, but seeing as 
there is a revenue channel, why not have a voluntary donation associated with 
meteorites that are for sale? I would not trouble Michael J with enforcing the 
collection of this fee, so I propose a gentlemans (and ladies) agreement that 
meteorites for sale on RfSPOD are associated with a (well deserved) donation to 
support the effort.

Viva Rocks from Space Picture of the Day

Pat 

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Michael Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 
 2008
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:00 PM
 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html
 
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