Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Hi there Carl, why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? For meteorites: A professional is someone, who has a registered business and pays his taxes for that. Because the points you're listing to define a professionalist, you find in the meteoritic scene also with many, or most of, the amateurs (in the good meaning of the word). Collectors, collector/dealers, hobby hunters ect., who aren't perceiving themselves as professionals. Would also meet better the original meaning of the Latin word professio, which is a public declaration. To me it is this aspect in our Biz that is the most lacking. Excuse me, in which field of collecting do you have a better or even only an equivalent authentication process and such a safety standard as with meteorites? Most collectible objects can be certified as authentic. And how does this certification process looks like there? Take fine arts. There you're going to an appointed expert, who you pay and who takes a look on your object and writes you a certificate. And there you are. And the result, whether he's going wrong or whether he's right depends only on his training and his experience. His opinion. Same with antiques or fossils ect. at best you go to a curator or a scientist at an university, who will tell you then his opinion, based on a comparative method. With meteorites? 1.) Meteorites get not authenticated by means of personal opinion or gut feeling. They have physical properties, which are measured and these results are reproducible at any time. And according these measurable properties, they unambiguously are authenticated as meteorites and classified. 2.) That classification is not done by private scholars or paid appraisers, but because the meteorites are in first line objects of research and not of commercial trade, by independent scientists. The best experts we have. And that authentication procedure is standardized and world-wide prescribed by the Meteoritical Society. 3.) Additionally to the classification from each meteorite a share has to be deposited for reference purposes at a public institution. 4.) All newly classified meteorites are recorded with their key data, place of reference specimen and often with the main mass holder in a central register, accessible for everyone, and they are published in the Meteoritical Bulletin. 5.) The NomCom of the Meteoritical Society is a board of international leading expert scientists. It is certainly more than a nod-through-club. It approves the plausibility of the reports handed in, before it decides to officially publish a new meteorite. If you send in all the results of the required measurements for a meteorite classification for a piece of charcoal - they won't accept it as a meteorite, neither will they wave through a classification handed in and made by yourself in your kitchen or by a music school. 6.) Many of the rarer types are introduced by scientists on their congresses, posters are made and over years you see scientific articles published about the very meteorite. 7.) The meteorite scene is extremely small. There is absolutely no problem for a beginning collector or a layman to come in contact with experienced collectors, competent meteorite people, even scientists to ask about the authenticity of his specimen, as well there are always other collectors, who own a specimen of the very meteorite, to compare it. 8.) There is none of the most expensive meteorites, hence those, where security is most crucial for the hehe: consumer, which wouldn't be best-known in the meteoritic community. Something like an anonymous Mona Lisa or an unknown mask of Agamemnon does not exist among mercantile meteorites. 9.) Everyone acting in the meteorite world underlies strictest necessities regarding authenticity. Those collectors and dealers, who only once sold a faked meteorite - they were and are immediately sorted out by the meteorite scene. They can't take part therein anymore, because reputation and trust are the fundament of that scene. 10.) You have IMCA, where everyone can address to, if he/her sees any problem with a meteorite and if his/her partner of a transaction is a member and many, if not meanwhile most of dealers and collectors, who frequently sell or swap meteorites are members there. They adhere to the highest standards of authentication and a high standard of business conduct. And they do have a certain degree of competence, due to the procedures necessary to be accepted as a member, and they are self-monitoring to a certain degree. A fast glance into your daily ebay, will proof to you, that it works. Because those self-made meteorites, the pseudos, the fakes.. they are always offered by sellers, who are no IMCA-members. There. You see under what for a regimentation, obligations,
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Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
http://www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
http://www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaar d helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
Hi List,
Here is a Google translation of the story in English.
Sonny
15 years ago was a farmer Harold Skage on Hatlestrand move a stone that
was not where it should. But it was no ordinary stone that lay on the
ground.
- I lifted up the stone, but even if it was not so great it was so
heavy that barely managed to lift it, says Skage.
He knew at once that there was no common stone that had fallen on his
farm.
- Because of the unusual weight, I got a gut feeling that this could be
something that came from heaven, says Skage.
Hidden treasure
In about 15 years lay buried and forgotten stone outside the house in
Kvinnherad. It was not until Harald Skage mentioned it to the magazine
Bygdadrøso built this year, the news came out.
- It's unbelievable that the stone has been such a well-kept secret to
the media for so many years, said Gerd Karin Mountain in Bygdadrøso.
Stølen contacted astrophysicist Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard, who
immediately responded. He would like to take it very special stone a
closer look.
- Yesterday, he came here - and did equally well with the whole family.
They were all very interested and fascinated, said Mountain.
- Norway History
Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard said that the discovery of about 59 kg is
historic.
- It is Norway's history if this proves to be an iron meteorite. This
makes it the second largest meteorite found in Norway ever, he said.
The largest was found in Alta in 1902, and weighed 77.5 kg.
He is 99 percent sure that the rock is a meteorite, but can not
guarantee it until investigations are carried out on the
Mineralogical-Geological Museum at Tøyen in Oslo.
Røed Ødegaard wife Anne Mette Sannes is also passionate about
meteorites.
- I had to come along to Hatlestrand to see for yourself, I was so
curious!
She finds it exciting that we do not know how long the meteorite has
been on the ground.
- Further investigations will determine the age of the stone, but for
all we know it may have been there since our ancestors, she said.
-Original Message-
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: bsoer...@online.no
Sent: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 8:54 am
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
http://www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
http://www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite
in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a
meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he
know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] Miles Silicated Iron (ad)
My meteorite sales promotion to raise funds to print more copies of The Art of Collecting Meteorites continues with my offer of a 3.85 gm partial slice of Miles silicated iron. Internet research shows it being offered at an average price of $11.28/gram on dealer's websites. I'll be happy so accept $8/gram for this fine specimen or $30.80 + shipping to wherever. Please, contact me before depositing funds in Paypal ( account is: mars...@gmail.com). See it here: http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/578759001RDNWtg Regards to all. Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com www.LaQ-CostaRica.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker
This is very sad news. I think he was only 50-ish. Way too young to go. He will be missed. I too looked forward to his private emails. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Count, Karmaka and all, I was grateful Count posted to the list. I received my letter Yesterday and was profoundly grief stricken. I was dreading braking The news to list members. Bob and I have been exchanging emails daily to several times a day for the last few years. He went from customer to friend to dear friend, being the only other collector I know who seemed to match my passion for hammers. In over 20 years in meteorites I have had no closer friend and none With whom I communicated daily as with Bob. I broke down altogether yesterday when I heard from his partner. I am certainly most grateful she wrote me, as I hadn't heard from Bob in over a week (because he was gone) and wrote every day and Never got an email bounced back - but was dreading the worst under The circumstances. Odd, in his last email to me he responded to my concern he had Been in the hospital for over 2 weeks and they were supposedly just Trying to work out a way of lowering his pain (of which he never complained). In any event, he started out his last email to me, Don't Worry, I'm not going to clark it yet. (I assume clark it is Ausie for bite the dust sort of slang). When Bob left, he had 10 of my finest Thin Sections - Lunar and Martian and I believe in past posts I have saved, there is the contact Info for the institutional fellow collaborating with him on this project. If those of you who loaned him thin sections will contact me off list, I Will request your TSs be returned with mine and send them off to Those involved in assisting Bob on this last project provided I can reach This fellow. Anyway, the meteorite community has lost a great friend. My condolences to all of you who had the privilege of developing a personal relationship with Bob. I wish I could afford to go to Australia for Whatever memorial service they may have for him, but if I could afford That I would most definitely have gone many months ago to share time With dear Bob. We also shared a strong interest in several varieties of Plants ( particular varieties of Orchids, Hoyas etc.). Damn, I am going To miss him terribly. I will be creating a memorial page for Bob and will let you all know when it is up. Life is too short for those we love, eh? Peace be with Bob and with you all, Michael On 10/9/10 1:29 PM, karmaka karm...@email.de wrote: ³A farewell is necessary before we can meet again, and meeting again, after moments or a lifetime is certain for those who are friends.² Rest in peace, Bob -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Gesendet: 09.10.2010 21:56:18 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Passing of Bob Walker Dear List, If this has been posted...I apologize for repeating sad news. I have not seen it mentioned. Bob Walker of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, veteran of the Royal Australian Military Forces, a true mate and associate in the love of all that has to do with meteorites, passed away in hospital October 2nd. last. Bob had been in daily communication for months with several of us on List and had busied himself, even after learning of his terminal diagnosis, with his obsession with thin sections, sending DVDs and posters to everyone who would have them and asking for new samples to incorporate in his work. He had already arranged to donate most of his collection of Australian meteorites to local institutions and museums. Just recently having the pleasure of assisting at an installation of his favorite pieces for public view in Queensland. To the end he was upbeat though he knew he was dying and showed more concern for the health of his friends who also have cancer, writing daily and sharing encounters with the white coats and trusting that they would fixee fixee everyone. You know the answer now...Bob. I hope it's that you have crossed the event horizon and are in the presence of all that is beautiful. RIP Guido P.S. The military has already shut down his mailbox. Condolences and inquiries can be sent to Bob's partner: Meryll J. Fraser - 24 Tinworth Street - WILLOWBANK - Queensland -4308 AUSTRALIA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/lis tinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Martin said: why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? Well Martin, thank you for the brief synopsis of Carl's opinion. It sure cleared things up in my mind ;) I tend to view the word, professional, as more of an adjective describing those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. That adhere to the highest standards regarding their particular field of endeavor. A meteorite seller doesn't have to be an expert or a dealer in order to be considered professional. And of course, as Carl mentioned, an unconditional guarantee is a must. Bill From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:44:08 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Hi there Carl, why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? For meteorites: A professional is someone, who has a registered business and pays his taxes for that. Because the points you're listing to define a professionalist, you find in the meteoritic scene also with many, or most of, the amateurs (in the good meaning of the word). Collectors, collector/dealers, hobby hunters ect., who aren't perceiving themselves as professionals. Would also meet better the original meaning of the Latin word professio, which is a public declaration. To me it is this aspect in our Biz that is the most lacking. Excuse me, in which field of collecting do you have a better or even only an equivalent authentication process and such a safety standard as with meteorites? Most collectible objects can be certified as authentic. And how does this certification process looks like there? Take fine arts. There you're going to an appointed expert, who you pay and who takes a look on your object and writes you a certificate. And there you are. And the result, whether he's going wrong or whether he's right depends only on his training and his experience. His opinion. Same with antiques or fossils ect. at best you go to a curator or a scientist at an university, who will tell you then his opinion, based on a comparative method. With meteorites? 1.) Meteorites get not authenticated by means of personal opinion or gut feeling. They have physical properties, which are measured and these results are reproducible at any time. And according these measurable properties, they unambiguously are authenticated as meteorites and classified. 2.) That classification is not done by private scholars or paid appraisers, but because the meteorites are in first line objects of research and not of commercial trade, by independent scientists. The best experts we have. And that authentication procedure is standardized and world-wide prescribed by the Meteoritical Society. 3.) Additionally to the classification from each meteorite a share has to be deposited for reference purposes at a public institution. 4.) All newly classified meteorites are recorded with their key data, place of reference specimen and often with the main mass holder in a central register, accessible for everyone, and they are published in the Meteoritical Bulletin. 5.) The NomCom of the Meteoritical Society is a board of international leading expert scientists. It is certainly more than a nod-through-club. It approves the plausibility of the reports handed in, before it decides to officially publish a new meteorite. If you send in all the results of the required measurements for a meteorite classification for a piece of charcoal - they won't accept it as a meteorite, neither will they wave through a classification handed in and made by yourself in your kitchen or by a music school. 6.) Many of the rarer types are introduced by scientists on their congresses, posters are made and over years you see scientific articles published about the very meteorite. 7.) The meteorite scene is extremely small. There is absolutely no problem for a beginning collector or a layman to come in contact with experienced collectors, competent meteorite people, even scientists to ask about the authenticity of his specimen, as well there are always other collectors, who own a specimen of the very meteorite, to compare it. 8.) There is none of the most expensive meteorites, hence those, where security is most crucial for the hehe: consumer, which wouldn't be best-known in the meteoritic community. Something like an anonymous Mona Lisa or an unknown mask of Agamemnon does not exist among mercantile meteorites. 9.) Everyone acting in the meteorite world underlies strictest necessities regarding authenticity. Those collectors and dealers, who only once sold a faked meteorite - they were and are immediately sorted out by the meteorite scene. They can't take part therein anymore, because reputation and trust are the fundament of that scene. 10.) You have IMCA,
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
What do you make out of the story and images?
My guess is that this is an ingot of limonitic bog iron.
The pits are discontinuous pits etched by acid soil,
not regmaglypts which are almost always gradually
connected.
Bog iron was the principal, almost only, source of
iron in northern Europe through 1000 BC to 1000 AD.
Here's a good source on Viking iron technology:
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/manufacturing/text/bog_iron.htm
Its extraction and refining was a basic homestead skill
in Norway, not an industrial speciality and digging
any long-settled area with nearby watered boggy areas
could be expected to turn up some bog iron.
Where streams run from nearby mountains through
a peat bog, bog iron can almost always be found.
I don't know the region of the find, of course, but this
piece could be 1000 to 1500 years old, and for peat
bogs you can substitute any old swampy meadow, like
the fields at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland where
a Norse smithy and bog iron artifacts were found (putting
an end to that controversy about Vinland).
It shouldn't take long to make a determination, either way.
Sterling K. Webb
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Cc: astro...@online.no
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite
in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a
meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Hi Bill, those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. an unconditional guarantee I would regard that not only as a matter of course, but as the prerequisite for somebody to establish as a professional meteorite dealer at all. But that you have also with collectors, selling here and there a piece to make room in their collection or with those collectors frequently selling meteorites to finance their collection or their hunting activities and most of them wouldn't call themselves professionals. In fact, if you remember that there are sometimes some, doing that, who explicitly want to be told apart from those, who are in meteorites only for the money, because they feel to be something more elevated, but who nevertheless are selling meteorites on a regular base, providing these standards, - they would insist, not to be called a professional dealer. Therefore I think, these criteria alone, don't make yet a professional. And certainly there are many collectors, who have the same competence in the field like those, who are called professional dealers. Well and that I listed at length all the safeties and authentication points, happened, because I don't agree with Carl. I think, if you pay attention to a very very very few points or if you just use simple common sense, then collecting and purchasing meteorites is an extremely safe field. My uncle Alex is still in vacation, he would break it down to the simple rule: Know your dealer! But in fact it's going beyond. And because there are always new members here on the list, I thought it would be o.k. to list all these points, which they can't know yet, also for David Gunning to see, that with meteorites the requirements of authentication and safety are much more complicate than with such mass products like flawless diamonds :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforest...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 19:09 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Martin said: why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? Well Martin, thank you for the brief synopsis of Carl's opinion. It sure cleared things up in my mind ;) I tend to view the word, professional, as more of an adjective describing those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. That adhere to the highest standards regarding their particular field of endeavor. A meteorite seller doesn't have to be an expert or a dealer in order to be considered professional. And of course, as Carl mentioned, an unconditional guarantee is a must. Bill = __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] Remembering Jim Kriegh (+ October10, 2007)
Hello Jim, For heaven's sake, how time flies! It's been three years now that you are gone! Be assured that you are not forgotten nor ever will! Where would all the hundreds of Gold Basin meteorites be today Without your, Twink's, and John's meticulous field studies? Where would those be that now walk in your footsteps? Would Franconia ever have been searched? We wish you all the best up there, So far away and yet so near! The MetList Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Jim Kriegh (+ October10, 2007)
Thanks Bernd, I for one, would be now where! Here's my tribute (thanks to John Gwilliam and Bob Holmes for their footage) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kNnIPrxyn0 On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:17 AM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Jim, For heaven's sake, how time flies! It's been three years now that you are gone! Be assured that you are not forgotten nor ever will! Where would all the hundreds of Gold Basin meteorites be today Without your, Twink's, and John's meticulous field studies? Where would those be that now walk in your footsteps? Would Franconia ever have been searched? We wish you all the best up there, So far away and yet so near! The MetList Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder.
Now check the photo
http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg
He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera.
Nope, he'd by dying.
Rob Wesel
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- Original Message -
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: astro...@online.no
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I should just metion, to avoid a grave misunderstanding, the metallic blue small rock below the 54/59 kg local rock in the top image in the article below is KJR Ødegards own Campo del Cielo, which he has been carrying about for many years. So, by all means, forget that one... www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html Bjørn Sørheim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
Norwegians are strong like Farmers:
http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html
or Bavarians:
http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob
Wesel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim
Cc: astro...@online.no
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder.
Now check the photo
http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg
He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera.
Nope, he'd by dying.
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: astro...@online.no
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
As for Farmers:
Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist
The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already
As for Bavarianswell I have no argument
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
Norwegians are strong like Farmers:
http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html
or Bavarians:
http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob
Wesel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim
Cc: astro...@online.no
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder.
Now check the photo
http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg
He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera.
Nope, he'd by dying.
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
--
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: astro...@online.no
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
So we quickly come to an agreement. For selling dealing meteorites, a highly professional behavior/standard is a MUST, no matter whether the offerer is formally an amateur or a professional. with but it isn't always the case. But with meteorites the basket is small and really only once a year or so a foul apple inside. One really needs a lot of bad luck, to run in a fake, as a normal collector. Of course, sometimes the self-cleaning mechanisms of the meteorite community seem to fail. (I for my own, personally only, can't understand, how e.g. that person, about not only Elton recently expressed his displeasure, is still supported after all that, what happened over the years, by collectors and dealers in buying from him or selling to him meteorites.) Best! Martin (Starting training to lift 50kg-lumps with mouth open.) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforest...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:31 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Martin, I agree with most of what you said. The difference is, you are trying to define the professional person. I'm talking about professional behavior. We would all like to see only positive virtues in those we do business with but it isn't always the case. A professional used car salesman that uses questionable sales tactics isn't very professional by my definition but he might be viewed as the consummate pro by his peers. Best Regards, Bill From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:01:27 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Hi Bill, those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. an unconditional guarantee I would regard that not only as a matter of course, but as the prerequisite for somebody to establish as a professional meteorite dealer at all. But that you have also with collectors, selling here and there a piece to make room in their collection or with those collectors frequently selling meteorites to finance their collection or their hunting activities and most of them wouldn't call themselves professionals. In fact, if you remember that there are sometimes some, doing that, who explicitly want to be told apart from those, who are in meteorites only for the money, because they feel to be something more elevated, but who nevertheless are selling meteorites on a regular base, providing these standards, - they would insist, not to be called a professional dealer. Therefore I think, these criteria alone, don't make yet a professional. And certainly there are many collectors, who have the same competence in the field like those, who are called professional dealers. Well and that I listed at length all the safeties and authentication points, happened, because I don't agree with Carl. I think, if you pay attention to a very very very few points or if you just use simple common sense, then collecting and purchasing meteorites is an extremely safe field. My uncle Alex is still in vacation, he would break it down to the simple rule: Know your dealer! But in fact it's going beyond. And because there are always new members here on the list, I thought it would be o.k. to list all these points, which they can't know yet, also for David Gunning to see, that with meteorites the requirements of authentication and safety are much more complicate than with such mass products like flawless diamonds :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforest...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 19:09 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Martin said: why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? Well Martin, thank you for the brief synopsis of Carl's opinion. It sure cleared things up in my mind ;) I tend to view the word, professional, as more of an adjective describing those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. That adhere to the highest standards regarding their particular field of endeavor. A meteorite seller doesn't have to be an expert or a dealer in order to be considered professional. And of course, as Carl mentioned, an unconditional guarantee is a must. Bill = __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
Idea Rob,
we could make an official competition in Tucson or Ensisheim.
Look:
http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/61612669
(But I will start only in the disciplines Martians and Lunars
and hope for a duel with Marcin rather than with Tim Heitz)
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob
Wesel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:34
An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
As for Farmers:
Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist
The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already
As for Bavarianswell I have no argument
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
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We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
Norwegians are strong like Farmers:
http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html
or Bavarians:
http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob
Wesel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim
Cc: astro...@online.no
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps
decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder.
Now check the photo
http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg
He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera.
Nope, he'd by dying.
Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
--
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971
- Original Message -
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: astro...@online.no
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
I see no reason why feats of strength should not be added to the Birthday Bash. And don't they roast a boar in Ensisheim, large meaty meals go hand in hand. Great photo find my friend. Next in series, note the quality of the smile http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/62021869 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Idea Rob, we could make an official competition in Tucson or Ensisheim. Look: http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/61612669 (But I will start only in the disciplines Martians and Lunars and hope for a duel with Marcin rather than with Tim Heitz) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:34 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? As for Farmers: Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already As for Bavarianswell I have no argument Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Norwegians are strong like Farmers: http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html or Bavarians: http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim Cc: astro...@online.no Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder. Now check the photo http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera. Nope, he'd by dying. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: astro...@online.no Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I would point out some things that points to the pictured norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite: - It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are stiped and layered in this part of Norway. - Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get 1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite. Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits much better. - Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits. One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble. On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron of which type there are a lot in this area. Bjørn Sørheim www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/ www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in Norways history! It's hot on
[meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR ¥dega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
Rob W. wrote: = As for Farmers: Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already = As for Bavarianswell I have no argument .. and what about this guy? :-) http://spacerocksinc.com/February_9.html Well, I know him in person and I can tell you he was thinking exactly the same, namely: Take the effin picture already! ;-) Correction: horseshoe-shaped Sikhote-Alin with awful thumprints This should have been awesome, of course! Best regards, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:02:38 -0700, you wrote: I see no reason why feats of strength should not be added to the Birthday Bash. Wouldn't that dilute the meaning of Festivus? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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But I fear, the guy in the middle will always win :-( http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061016/061016_kansasMet eorite_hmed_5p.grid-6x2.jpg On the other hand, if one keeps in mind, what Hans Koser or the Russians always carry up the stairs in Ensisheim, it could be still a thrilling fight! (The NASA-team will loose: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/df52760fdd30.jpg ) Senior champion in one-hand-lifting: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/december/haag_allende.jpg Important for training: Never oil your irons! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Wesel [mailto:nakhla...@comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 22:03 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I see no reason why feats of strength should not be added to the Birthday Bash. And don't they roast a boar in Ensisheim, large meaty meals go hand in hand. Great photo find my friend. Next in series, note the quality of the smile http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/62021869 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Idea Rob, we could make an official competition in Tucson or Ensisheim. Look: http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/61612669 (But I will start only in the disciplines Martians and Lunars and hope for a duel with Marcin rather than with Tim Heitz) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:34 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? As for Farmers: Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already As for Bavarianswell I have no argument Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Norwegians are strong like Farmers: http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html or Bavarians: http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim Cc: astro...@online.no Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder. Now check the photo http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera. Nope, he'd by dying. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: astro...@online.no Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I would point out some things that points to the pictured norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite: - It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are stiped and layered in this part of Norway. - Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get 1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite. Average local rock density would be
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødega ard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite! ?
We may have a ringer from the Italian team, note how calm and relaxed Francesco is...obvious years of training. http://www.imca.cc/insights/2007/II07-img/Morasko.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? But I fear, the guy in the middle will always win :-( http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061016/061016_kansasMet eorite_hmed_5p.grid-6x2.jpg On the other hand, if one keeps in mind, what Hans Koser or the Russians always carry up the stairs in Ensisheim, it could be still a thrilling fight! (The NASA-team will loose: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/df52760fdd30.jpg ) Senior champion in one-hand-lifting: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/december/haag_allende.jpg Important for training: Never oil your irons! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rob Wesel [mailto:nakhla...@comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 22:03 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I see no reason why feats of strength should not be added to the Birthday Bash. And don't they roast a boar in Ensisheim, large meaty meals go hand in hand. Great photo find my friend. Next in series, note the quality of the smile http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/62021869 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Idea Rob, we could make an official competition in Tucson or Ensisheim. Look: http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike2002/image/61612669 (But I will start only in the disciplines Martians and Lunars and hope for a duel with Marcin rather than with Tim Heitz) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:34 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? As for Farmers: Mike is bringing that mass into his abdomen to allow other muscles to assist The smile on his face is saying Take the effin picture already As for Bavarianswell I have no argument Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? Norwegians are strong like Farmers: http://pallasite-meteorites.com/page_7.html or Bavarians: http://regiowiki.pnp.de/images/thumb/Kraftmensch.jpg/200px-Kraftmensch.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Wesel Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:23 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Bjorn Sorheim Cc: astro...@online.no Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I'm with you Bjorn on the ~54kg estimate, roughly a $100 pounder. Now check the photo http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00668/Stein2_jpg_668121b.jpg He is holding it arms slightly bent and smiling for the camera. Nope, he'd by dying. Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: astro...@online.no Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!? I would point out some things that points to the pictured norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite: - It
[meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
Thanks Martin Bernd for the trend you have started. Very impressing, but much more so with real meteorites! I jumped on the trend myself, see below, but it is from Norway and not a meteorite, I don't know if that is a trend...:-) It weighs just half of Ødegaards stone - 26kgs. On the other hand it is very much pitted, I don't know if you are able to see that. I know it' s about 390 million years old, and is exactly as it was then. And the pits are not 9.5% of total stone dimension as they found out about Sikhote Alin, but much smaller. Maybe you could guess what it is..? http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/sand1.jpg Bjørn __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaar d helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?
I agree with you Bjorn, That waistline artifact looks terrestial. It appears
they have put a good sized Campo on the ground in front of the specimen for
comparison.
A bit off subject...but was is that layered food they are eating? The
perspective makes it look like some kind of sandwich. Sure looks good.
Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-Original Message-
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
Sent: Oct 10, 2010 11:20 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Subject: Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd
largest meteorite!?
I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:
- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.
- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.
- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.
Bjørn Sørheim
www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/
www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?
Bjørn Sørheim
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite association of GA meeting
FYI for any interested - any events for the Meteorite Association of Georgia are usually listed here: http://www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org/Events.htm - Original Message - From: mckinney trammell bigpineartifa...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite association of GA meeting where and when is this? street address , please. seems email and phones also take sunday off. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Jim Kriegh (+ October10, 2007)
Amen! - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Remembering Jim Kriegh (+ October10, 2007) Hello Jim, For heaven's sake, how time flies! It's been three years now that you are gone! Be assured that you are not forgotten nor ever will! Where would all the hundreds of Gold Basin meteorites be today Without your, Twink's, and John's meticulous field studies? Where would those be that now walk in your footsteps? Would Franconia ever have been searched? We wish you all the best up there, So far away and yet so near! The MetList Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remembering Jim Kriegh (+ October10, 2007)
I sent the message from Bernd on to Jim's son and daughter and their families. They will be very touched by the message. Twink Monrad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
Martin, I agree with most of what you said. The difference is, you are trying to define the professional person. I'm talking about professional behavior. We would all like to see only positive virtues in those we do business with but it isn't always the case. A professional used car salesman that uses questionable sales tactics isn't very professional by my definition but he might be viewed as the consummate pro by his peers. Best Regards, Bill From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:01:27 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Hi Bill, those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. an unconditional guarantee I would regard that not only as a matter of course, but as the prerequisite for somebody to establish as a professional meteorite dealer at all. But that you have also with collectors, selling here and there a piece to make room in their collection or with those collectors frequently selling meteorites to finance their collection or their hunting activities and most of them wouldn't call themselves professionals. In fact, if you remember that there are sometimes some, doing that, who explicitly want to be told apart from those, who are in meteorites only for the money, because they feel to be something more elevated, but who nevertheless are selling meteorites on a regular base, providing these standards, - they would insist, not to be called a professional dealer. Therefore I think, these criteria alone, don't make yet a professional. And certainly there are many collectors, who have the same competence in the field like those, who are called professional dealers. Well and that I listed at length all the safeties and authentication points, happened, because I don't agree with Carl. I think, if you pay attention to a very very very few points or if you just use simple common sense, then collecting and purchasing meteorites is an extremely safe field. My uncle Alex is still in vacation, he would break it down to the simple rule: Know your dealer! But in fact it's going beyond. And because there are always new members here on the list, I thought it would be o.k. to list all these points, which they can't know yet, also for David Gunning to see, that with meteorites the requirements of authentication and safety are much more complicate than with such mass products like flawless diamonds :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforest...@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 19:09 An: altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought Martin said: why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition? Well Martin, thank you for the brief synopsis of Carl's opinion. It sure cleared things up in my mind ;) I tend to view the word, professional, as more of an adjective describing those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. That adhere to the highest standards regarding their particular field of endeavor. A meteorite seller doesn't have to be an expert or a dealer in order to be considered professional. And of course, as Carl mentioned, an unconditional guarantee is a must. Bill = __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Available for trade, 53 gram Seymchan part slice, 9.6 gram Pallasovka part slice and ~1 mg speck of Sylacauga (from Michael Blood). No specific desires, so if you're interested email me off list with an offer. David Hardy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cub Scouts and a Star Party
Hello Everyone, Greatly off topic, but nevertheless... I had the most fun Friday night. One of my neighbors is a cub scoutmaster and he regularly invites me and my 10 telescope to their campouts. I enjoy hosting star parties for scouts. I, my daughter and a friend of hers arrived last night at the camp site and began setting up my scope. It was already dark. As I am setting up my scope, I notice something odd. It's too quite. If you have ever been to a boy scout or cub scout camp, you know it is anything but quiet. I gradually become aware of a noise in the distance. It's getting louder. I turn and peer through some trees at what seems like hundreds of flickering fireflies. They are bobbing up and down. The noise is getting louder. Then I realize, they are not fireflies. This a dense mass of about 300 cub scouts, running and screaming with their little glow sticks clutched in their little hands. And they're running right toward me. I quickly stand in front of my scope, in a defensive position, ready to take down the first kid who breaches the already established no touch zone - an invisible perimeter around my precious scope, through which no one is allowed but me. Alas, all was well. Aside from the usual fingerprints, and messing with the focuser, no actual harm with done. Jupiter was fantastic. The scouts and their families got to see a nice treat. One of the moon's shadows was transiting across face of Jupiter. Cool. I got asked some really good questions and some of the kids made some astute observations. One kid however, insisted for what seemed like an eternity that Polaris was actually in the east because you know the north star doesn't really point to north. I began explaining that it was only a degree or so off but soon gave up the argument (he was determined that Polaris was in the east) and boldly shouted, next! One lady kept asking me about the constellation for June, of which I knew nothing. I realized she was asking me an astrology question (of which I know nothing). I was a fun night. After everyone got an eye (or two) full of Jupiter, I turned the scope to Albireo, a beautiful double star system in Cygnus consisting of a yellow and a sapphire blue star ( the yellow is also a binary) but the cubbies had retired to their tents. Even cub scouts have to sleep. After dropping off my daughter's friend, we arrived home around 1:00 a.m. I kissed my daughter good night and set up the scope in my driveway to make sure nothing was amiss. I look up toward Pegasus and saw two meteors burn out, their existence ending in a flash high up in the Earth's atmosphere. Ahhh, peace and quiet. Until the next time. Thank you. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Year of the Solar System
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/07oct_yss/ The Year of the Solar System NASA Science News Oct. 7, 2010: To mark an unprecedented flurry of exploration which is about to begin, NASA announced today that the coming year will be The Year of the Solar System (YSS). During YSS, we'll see triple the [usual] number of launches, flybys and orbital insertions, says Jim Green, Director of Planetary Science at NASA headquarters. There hasn't been anything quite like it in the history of the Space Age. Naturally, it's a Martian year. These events will unfold over the next 23 months, the length of a year on the Red Planet explains Green. History will remember the period Oct. 2010 through Aug. 2012 as a golden age of planetary exploration. The action begins near the end of October 2010 with a visit to Comet Hartley 2. On Oct. 20th, Hartley 2 will have a close encounter with Earth; only 11 million miles away, it will be faintly visible to the naked eye and become a splendid target for backyard telescopes. Amateur astronomers can watch the comet as NASA's Deep Impact/EPOXI spacecraft dives into its vast green atmosphere and plunges toward the icy core. On Nov. 4th EPOXI will fly a mere 435 miles from Hartley's nucleus, mapping the surface and studying outbursts of gas at close-range. Later in November, NASA astrobiologists will launch O/OREOS, a shoebox-sized satellite designed to test the durability of life in space. Short for Organism/ORganic Exposure to Orbital Stresses, O/OREOS will expose a collection of organic molecules and microbes to solar and cosmic radiation. Could space be a natural habitat for these micronauts? O/OREOS may provide some answers. Bonus: The same rocket that delivers O/OREOS to space will carry an experimental solar sail. NanoSail-D will unfurl in Earth orbit and circle our planet for months. Occasionally, the sail will catch a sunbeam and redirect it harmlessly to the ground below where sky watchers can witness history's first solar sail flares. On December 7, 2010, Japan's Akatsuki (Venus Climate Orbiter) spacecraft grabs the spotlight when it enters orbit around Venus. The mission aims to understand how a planet so similar to Earth in size and orbit went so terribly wrong. Venus is bone-dry, shrouded by acid clouds, and beset by a case of global warming hot enough to melt lead. Instruments on Akatsuki will probe Venus from the top of its super-cloudy atmosphere all the way to the volcano-pocked surface below, providing the kind of detailed information researchers need for comparative planetary. Take a deep breath, says Green, because that was just the first three months of YSS! The action continues in 2011 as Stardust NExT encounters comet Tempel 1 (February 14), MESSENGER enters orbit around Mercury (March 18), and Dawn begins its approach to asteroid Vesta (May). For a full month Dawn will be able to see Vesta even more clearly than Hubble can, marvels Green. The only way to top that would be to go into orbit. And that is exactly what Dawn will do in July 2011: insert itself into orbit for a full-year study of the second-most massive body in the asteroid belt. Although Vesta is not classified as a planet, it is a full-fledged alien world that is expected to mesmerize researchers as it reveals itself to Dawn's cameras. Next comes the launch of the Juno spacecraft to Jupiter (August), the launch of GRAIL to map the gravitational field of the Moon (September), and the launch of a roving science lab named Curiosity to Mars (November). The second half of 2011 will be as busy as some entire decades of the Space Age, says Green. Even then, YSS has months to go. 2012 opens with Mars rover Opportunity running the first-ever Martian marathon. The dogged rover is trundling toward the heart of Endeavour Crater, a city-sized impact basin almost two dozen miles from Opportunity's original landing site. Opportunity is already under the influence of the crater, says Green. The ground beneath the rover's wheels is sloping gently down toward its destination - a welcome feeling for any marathoner. Sometime in mid-2012, Opportunity will reach Endeavour's lip and look over the edge deeper into the heart of Mars than any previous robotic explorer. The only thing more marvelous than the view will be the rover itself. Originally designed to travel no more than 0.6 miles, Opportunity's rest stop at Endeavour will put it just miles away from finishing the kind of epic Greek run that athletes on Earth can only dream about. Meanwhile, halfway across the solar system, Dawn will fire up its ion engines and prepare to leave Vesta. For the first time in space history, a spacecraft orbiting one alien world will break orbit and take off for another. Dawn's next target is dwarf planet Ceres, nearly spherical, rich in water ice, and totally unexplored. The Year of the Solar System concludes in August 2012 when Curiosity lands on Mars. The roving nuclear-powered science
Re: [meteorite-list] Cub Scouts and a Star Party
A wonderful report, I enjoyed the read very much. You are a first-class act, Walter! I'm sure those kids won't forget that experience. And don't worry about that one kid who thinks polaris is in the east. Everyone knows that it is in the south... ;-) Ed Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello Everyone, Greatly off topic, but nevertheless... I had the most fun Friday night. One of my neighbors is a cub scoutmaster and he regularly invites me and my 10 telescope to their campouts. I enjoy hosting star parties for scouts. I, my daughter and a friend of hers arrived last night at the camp site and began setting up my scope. It was already dark. As I am setting up my scope, I notice something odd. It's too quite. If you have ever been to a boy scout or cub scout camp, you know it is anything but quiet. I gradually become aware of a noise in the distance. It's getting louder. I turn and peer through some trees at what seems like hundreds of flickering fireflies. They are bobbing up and down. The noise is getting louder. Then I realize, they are not fireflies. This a dense mass of about 300 cub scouts, running and screaming with their little glow sticks clutched in their little hands. And they're running right toward me. I quickly stand in front of my scope, in a defensive position, ready to take down the first kid who breaches the already established no touch zone - an invisible perimeter around my precious scope, through which no one is allowed but me. Alas, all was well. Aside from the usual fingerprints, and messing with the focuser, no actual harm with done. Jupiter was fantastic. The scouts and their families got to see a nice treat. One of the moon's shadows was transiting across face of Jupiter. Cool. I got asked some really good questions and some of the kids made some astute observations. One kid however, insisted for what seemed like an eternity that Polaris was actually in the east because you know the north star doesn't really point to north. I began explaining that it was only a degree or so off but soon gave up the argument (he was determined that Polaris was in the east) and boldly shouted, next! One lady kept asking me about the constellation for June, of which I knew nothing. I realized she was asking me an astrology question (of which I know nothing). I was a fun night. After everyone got an eye (or two) full of Jupiter, I turned the scope to Albireo, a beautiful double star system in Cygnus consisting of a yellow and a sapphire blue star ( the yellow is also a binary) but the cubbies had retired to their tents. Even cub scouts have to sleep. After dropping off my daughter's friend, we arrived home around 1:00 a.m. I kissed my daughter good night and set up the scope in my driveway to make sure nothing was amiss. I look up toward Pegasus and saw two meteors burn out, their existence ending in a flash high up in the Earth's atmosphere. Ahhh, peace and quiet. Until the next time. Thank you. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Walker Memorial Web Page
For all: Bob Walkers memorial web page can now be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/BobWalkerRemembered.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Walker Memorial Web Page
My condolences to you Michael for the loss of your friend and to all who were touched by him. I did not know Bob, but being a part of this community, we come to know people even if we never meet them in person. I always enjoyed his posts and the beautiful pictures he made. The memorial you made for him is beautifully done, and I'm sure I won't be the only one brought to tears. So very sad.. Arlene Schlazer - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Walker Memorial Web Page For all: Bob Walkers memorial web page can now be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/BobWalkerRemembered.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
