If all finds are falls and all falls are finds, even though all falls haven't
been found and all finds have been found, a fall has to be found before it
becomes a fall or a find, but a find is just a find even though it fell, so
everything that's found fell and everthing has to fall to be
Hi,
With the lively discussion about fall/find terminology recently
going on I thought that it is a good time to ask the lists opinion (if it i
ever a good time to ask the list for an opinion) about a preposition that I
have started to add to my descriptions of meteorites. The preposition
Hi List. With the economy still weak and recovery being painfully slow, I
was curious if any Dealers would like to ping in and give their thoughts of
what kind of year (2012) it was for sales of your meteorites, be it on your
Website or via eBay.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic
NASA Considers Capturing an Asteroid, Setting It
to Orbit the Moon, Wired UK, January 1, 2012
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NASA's bizarre plan to drag an asteroid into the
moon's orbit, The Week Magazine, January 1, 2012
Maybe we need to try a different language. How about the universal
language of mathematics?
[Observed fall: No] != [unobserved fall]
or
IF(observed fall, fall, find)
Nip this in the bud before someone makes up a term for an unobserved meteor...
-Michael in so. Cal.
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at
I'm not sure if the message below got sent... getting weird bounce
messages fr
On 1/5/2013 9:25 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the
last three are types of finds.
Jeff
On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
In all seriousness, I
My 2012 sales was one of my best years ever.
eBay is done, nothing for me but problems and scams on there now.
That being said, most sales are to larger buyers, the small buyers are hurting
and sales are way down at the lower end of the scale (another reason I have
mostly abandoned eBay, not
I will let you know when I figure the exceedingly high taxes partially due to
the Affordable Healthcare Act. Taxes are now so complicated that it took a 19
page return for 2011and this doesn't include 1099s that had to be issued for
anything over $599.00. I feel sorry for the paper boy. I
I heard the list was down the last 3 days - but see
This post was but 36 hrs or so ago.
Is it up or down?
Michael
On 1/5/13 6:55 PM, WS Schroer schr...@bigpond.com wrote:
So are the sales of unobserved finds.
Werner Schroer
Australia
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From: Galactic Stone
My revised classification of NWA 7034 was approved yesterday for this
new type of martian meteorite:
Why don't we just leave things that work as they are? In more than 18 years of
selling meteorites, I have never heard of finds morphing into unobserved
falls. Poor marketing gimmick to try and remake finds into something more
interesting (not sure who buys into such scams).
If there is some
Hi Don and List,
For me personally in a word to describe my 2012 sales - Outstanding!
As Mike wrote, I too do very little on eBay these last several years due to
their constant changes, fees and that they insist that we conduct business
the way THEY see fit. I do not need anyone to tell me
Can't complain.
Not the very best year but not the worse either. The economy seems to
be bouncing back niely. I abandonned Ebay years ago, and I have been
selling across the board, large and small buyers, state-side and in
Europe.
And I sure hope that the Tucson show will be jumping! I am
I feel that I've achieved a higher level in the World o' Meteorites! Only the
most specialist stuff gets the suspended notice ;)
Paul Swartz
Attention : sales of all unobserved falls are hereby suspended until
further notice. ;)
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Mike,
The Meteoritical Bulletin Database uses the following terminology:
Observed fall: No
Does that disturb you?
Paul Swartz
I find this new attempt to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of
old catalogs from the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago
till
From Mendy Ouzillou / IMCA8395
Love it and the metal vein. Outstanding specimen and a great American find.
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Makes perfect sense to me, Peter.
There are many meteorites that were known long before they were
discovered. Since I bought an old collection with many meteorites I
had never seen or even heard of before, I have had to do a lot of
research, Thank Heavens for the Buchwald books!! If you don't
I'm quite happy with Find and Fall, been using that since I first
started and I see no reason to change. Besides I'm getting too old for
changes ;-)
Cheers
John
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Noit makes perfect sense actually, is it a fall or a
An unobserved fall is two words to describe the one word that has
been used for a century, Find. The one word Find is good enough for
the Catalogue of Meteorites, it was good enough for Harvey Nininger,
and it is what I shall always use. Keep it concise.
Yep, I concur! Keep it concise.
Alex
Indeed, in other words, if it ain't broke don't change it.
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On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:11 AM, John Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:
I'm quite happy with Find and Fall, been using that since I first
started and I see no reason to change. Besides I'm getting too old for
For the record. The 1968 Holbrook specimen I recovered weighed 1,560 grams
[Meteoritics vol 5, pp 57-60 (1970). E. K. Gibson, Jr].
Larry, hope this assists with the accounting for Holbrook recovered
specimens.
Everett Gibson
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Re-transmit.
Last week I sent 3 posts to the List, none of them made it, and they still
don't appear in any of the Archives.
The following message is a re-transmit of one that was bounced-back to me
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Aloha Don, all,
2012 was a strong year for sales off my website and eBay. My only complaint is
the asinine policy changes made by the USPS regarding (small) customs forms.
International sales have increased substantially (which exacerbates the USPS
issues).
Don't get me started on eBay. I've
In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying
the definition of fall. The categories I've considered are these, and
the definitions are first passes:
Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments,
and collected soon after the event. The event
I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the
last three are types of finds.
Jeff
On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least qualifying
the definition of fall. The categories I've considered are these,
and the
Hello Listers
Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites
I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic
meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS
/or TRADES, please email me and I'll get back with you. Also if you are
Everett, I know we have discussed this
Amazing fund in person, and I have seen you generously giving pieces if it
away!
Again congrats on likely the largest Holbrook recovery since Nininger days,
even though it was before I was born:)
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 7, 2013, at
Hi Gary and All,
Gary wrote:
My only complaint is the asinine policy changes made by the USPS regarding
(small) customs forms.
I talked to my local USPS clerk and he stated that the new Federal
requirements for the small green customs form (and probably large form, I
did not ask) are that
Jeff,
Thanks once again for your information.
I have a question;
What degree of accuracy does Science have in calculating the exact time a
meteorite fell? Is this calculation within one day, one week , one month, one
year, or within ten years? which is it and how certain can Science be? Just
I am pretty sure that was Puerto Lapice.
Mendy Ouzillou
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Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture
Mendy wrote: I am pretty sure that was Puerto Lapice.
Yep!
LLORCA J. et al. (2009) The Puerto Làpice eucrite (MAPS 44-2, 2009, pp.
159-174).
TRIGO-RODRIGUEZ et al. (2009) Puerto Làpice eucrite fall: Strewn field,
physical description, probable fireball trajectory and orbit (MAPS 44-2, 2009,
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I made multiple trips to the Puerto Lapice strewn field, and since the
meteorite is a Eucrite (virtually no free iron), covered in glossy almost
plastic fusion crust, one year after the fall the stones still looked like the
day they fell, and stones are still ring found there.
Michael Farmer
Happy New Year! I hope life is treating you all kindly.
I'm looking forward to seeing you all next month, but I've apparently
procrastinated too long and my usual accomadations are unavailable. I'm
wondering if anyone has an extra room in their home they wouldn't mind
sharing. Karen and I
All,
The terms find and fall are concise and understood by everyone in the
meteorite community. I don't see the need to introduce terms that may lead to
more ambiguity. For example: if find is changed to unobserved fall in
describing a meteorite it could possibly be an outright false
Linton makes a fine point,
Many of you coming to Tucson have not made plane or hotel reservations, that is
a mistake! Every flight, hotel, and rental car in this city is usually booked
up for the show. It is very easy to fly into Phoenix and either rent a car
there or take a shuttle van ~$50
I find that I prefer 'fall' and 'find' as well, straight to the point. Now I
better get back to work before I fall behind any more!! ;-)
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site)
Second everything about Mr. Weir. His website is very informative.
If the website was a book on my shelf, it would be well-worn, spine
broken, binding loose, dogeared, and discolored from frequent
long-term useage.
Best regards,
MikeG
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Ah-ha! Now I know what Greg's black page was.the unobsevered un-fallen
non-fall
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Anyone can put anything on the internet and it doesn't make it true.
This new term only exists on one web page. May it stay in quarantine
there.
Michael in so. Cal.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Martin Altmann
altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote:
they are not native to Earth.
Ouch, Anne,
Hi Mike and Michael,
The only time I could see this being used reasonably is under
Circumstances where there is a fall that is not seen with the eye
But is noted within 24hrs.
We have seen this on more than one occasion - such as a
Family goes to bed and may or may not hear a crash
Hi Adam and all,
Since the flood of examples cited below I will now ONLY send
Ebay purchases with a required signature in the US or Registered
Mail overseas. That should take care of that.
Michael
On 1/7/13 9:43 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
... as Mike pointed
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Hello Everett,
How exciting to have you chime in on this!
It looks like our two stones weighed very near the same.
When you found yours, I was only three years old, a long way off from
my meteorite hunting days!
I was wondering about the degree of weathering of your stone when found
in
I agree, Puerto Lapice. It's on the top of my wish list before I move on
Cheers
John
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote:
Mendy wrote: I am pretty sure that was Puerto Lapice.
Yep!
LLORCA J. et al. (2009) The Puerto Làpice eucrite (MAPS 44-2, 2009,
G'Day Linton, Michael and List
Very good advice Michael. I opted to drive from L.A., hotel is
booked. Look forward to seeing everyone.
Cheers
John
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Linton makes a fine point,
Many of you coming to Tucson have not
Hello Listers
I was wondering, will this meteorite ever be sold on the open market or has it
be donated to science already because of its rarity? And if so, what would be
the
value? I mean in science terms, this find could have a few billion $ value or
more cause
that is how much it would
Hi John,
I'm driving from SoCal as well. Saves the hassle and expense of
flying (which limits what I can bring) and then having to rent a
car. Also, unlike a rental car, with my own vehicle I can go
off-road if I want, which is handy if you plan to do a little
space-rock hunting along the way!
G'Day Rob
My sentiments entirely. I love the thrill of getting out and this year
has been lacking that and usually we tend to get off the beaten track
to take a break and to look for those elusive illegal rocks that
entered the United States without papers.
Hope to see you in Tucson
Cheers
John
Driving vs Flying is a question of starting point and logistics.
For east coasters that's a total of 5000+ miles round trip and 4-5
nights of hotels to account for all that + gas (~170 gallons for a
decent vehicle). That comes to roughly $1600 and a week of your life
that you could spend doing
I don't have much of a choice.
Driving of course. The largest Suburban I can get from Hertz.
Roughly 1000 miles each way, with a very heavy vehicle, filled to the
roof.
See you all there.
Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
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Hello Listers
I agree it is nice meteorite and could see the value being around Nakhla too.
But in the name of science I guess they can argue its that much or more. But at
the end of the day I hope some will come to light in the open market so
everyone can enjoy a piece of science .
Shawn A
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