Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Mulgrew
That makes perfect sense to me. Follow the basic principals of the scientific method. Why does SETI operate outside the norms of science? Of what merit are the findings of any tests they perform on an unofficial meteorite? Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Farmer
I seem to think this is a control issue. Someone wants total control over the meteorite. Sad to dominate a meteorite fall. Never seen this type of action before. Submission changes nothing about the science or the papers released later. It is simply the act of registering the meteorite officially

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Carl Agee
I'm having a hard time understanding this "problem" with Novato. Since when do deposit samples not get analyzed and worked on? Maybe I'm missing something here but the way I do it, is the sample gets ID-ed and classified and then if it merits further research that happens next, in that order. For e

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Farmer
Yes, hunting costs money, lots and lots of it. Ask me, I'm on the other side of the planet right now and western unions as coming in daily. No credit cards accepted where I am:) But we have responsibilities. Pay to play, including getting the type specimen properly curated. I am in 100% agreemen

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Farmer
Comayagua was sold to the university in Tegucigalpa. I guess it will never be seen again. As far as GSI India, gone into the black hole of Calcutta. Katol needs to be done in the states. Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2013, at 1:24 AM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: > Agreed, somebody ne

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
This is a long thread and I haven't read all of it. But here are the facts about provisional names and approvals of new meteorites: Provisional names are ONLY given to meteorites from dense collection areas. The reason is that the geographic part of the name is already agreed upon. The prov

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread robert crane
The problem I have is every one should spend their hard earned money in the field looking for these damn things to ease the people that don't leave their driveway. I'm sorry before u bitch and complain get off your ass and not spend time in Stewart Valley or in Franconia getting DCA crap classi

Re: [meteorite-list] [SPAM]Re: Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

2013-04-30 Thread Greg Hupé
I think the sample is still floating around in that 'blimp'... ;-/ -Original Message- From: MEM Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:31 PM To: Greg Hupé ; Robert Verish ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Subject: [SPAM]Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All r

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

2013-04-30 Thread Greg Hupé
re: 'Navato' To repeat a comment I made to a Facebook thread that parallels this one... "It would seem to me that the more accurate "Type Sample" amount IS the entire 29 grams ['donated' by Lisa Webber and Glenn Rivera]!! Obviously some material is eaten up for analysis so the only hold up for

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

2013-04-30 Thread Robert Verish
Very good post, Michael. And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br), you would like to update your database and fill out labels with an officially approved name. How long of a delay and why is there a delay? -- Bob V. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@me

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Richard Montgomery
One of the stones from this find was "lent" to the NASA team, with an open mind and naivte perhaps; a situation that definitely shook her by total surprise and dismay, when another finder of another stone offered a perspective. She wasn't pleased to learn that she may never see it again.

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

2013-04-30 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Mike and List, No need to apologize, I agree completely with the following statement you made in your earlier post: ** Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and approved via an open, transparent, and "officia

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

2013-04-30 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi List, I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to Novato. I may have come off that way, I am afraid. I meant in general with all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my memory about the recent spate of unapproved falls. I had meant to post to the List a couple of w

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Alan Rubin
Peter informed me yesterday that some additional research is being done, presumably on the sample that is to be donated to UCLA. If all goes according to plan, then sometime, hopefully within the next few months, we'll have the name approved. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planet

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Jim Wooddell
Meteorite Falls in Central California are hereby suspended until further notice. Jim On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: > Meteorite Falls in Central California are hereby suspended until further > notice. > > > Jim > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: >> J

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Adam Hupe
Jim Wrote, We have a procedure and it seems only one person is not in compliance with thatprocedure.. I agree completely.  If one dealer can hold up a classification because he/she is too cheap to deposit their share or thinks they are above the rules, the world is better off without them! Ad

[meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Brien Cook
First off, I'd like to say how pleased I am to see Matija Bericic, the original purchaser, put the meteorite back on the market. He had been in touch with me within days and actively pursued getting a piece for research purposes. At the time no one had any idea how many, or little, would be reco

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a piece to consolidate the type specimen and satisfy the requirements for publication in the Met Bulletin. That is how it should be. Until such a specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved, it is not a meteorite, it is a rock that is suspected to be a meteori

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Jim Wooddell
In regards to what Alan stated, this makes perfect sense to me and I agree with that of which the committee has decided. We have a procedure and it seems only one person is not in compliance with that procedurein regards to classification and submittal to the NomCom. No matter what the excuse

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Adam Hupe
I am glad to see that no compromises are being made and that the Meteoritical Society rules are being followed.  It is also good that most dealers are aware of the rules and are willing to honor them.  I am particularly impressed with the fact that a List Member(s) was willing to step up and p

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Farmer
As should be done. Congrats though on third California fall. Two in one year ain't half bad :) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2013, at 12:36 AM, "Alan Rubin" wrote: > I was informed by Laurence Garvie that they don't deal in promises. They > will approve the name only after the

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Alan Rubin
I was informed by Laurence Garvie that they don't deal in promises. They will approve the name only after they are notified that an actual physical specimen of the proper mass is in the possession of a qualified institution. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics Univer

[meteorite-list] Provisional names

2013-04-30 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi Carl, > I've been told provisional names are only given to NWA material and > that all others are referred to as "proposed name". No, this is incorrect. For instance, there are hundreds of meteorites from dry lakes throughout the desert southwest that have provisional names/numbers that will n

[meteorite-list] A hole in ISS solar panel

2013-04-30 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi All, There is an interesting post on SpaceWeather today reporting that a hole has appeared in one of the many solar panels of the International Space Station. Here's a link to an image of the hole tweeted by Commander Chris Hadfield: https://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/328920180241596417/

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi Bob, > Here is the question I am posing to the List, stated another way: > If everyone is in agreement with the Jenniskins arrangement, then > why can't the Committee credit UCLA for the type specimen and move > forward with approving at least the name "Novato" (if need be, at > least provisio

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Robert Verish
Thanks Rob, for clearing the air and getting this thread back on track. And now that the dust has settled, we're back to my original concern:  Why do we have to wait for just the name to be approved? Here is the question I am posing to the List, stated another way: If everyone is in agreemen

Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

2013-04-30 Thread Jim Wooddell
Hi Mark, Larry and all! I looked into age dating tests. I have several samples I want tested. Each test takes about 6 months at a cost of $8500. Sooo, not going to happen in my project! Very time consuming, I was told, as a team of folks have to pick the sample apart down to the grain level.

[meteorite-list] Mbale slices - AD

2013-04-30 Thread Linton Rohr
Greetings all! I have a few nice slices of Mbale left and I'll offer them again here, before moving them to P-bay. Details below. Linton *** I recently came across a nice Mbale L5/6 stone and have had some very nice slices taken off one end. One fa

[meteorite-list] House-AD: Gan Gan is gan, eh: gone (Consolidation iron?)

2013-04-30 Thread Martin Altmann
Hello again, short update: Don't be sad - the early bird ate already the Gan Gan. Many thanks! Perhaps, to console you, we should remind you on a no less excellent iron specimen in the same price category, which has missed your attention, cause it was covered by Ukrainian cosmic debris. The Whit

Re: [meteorite-list] Getting Novato approved

2013-04-30 Thread Pat Brown
Hello Rob, the other Novato searchers and the List, This is a very interesting Urban fall and a very challenging meteorite to hunt. Personally, I hunted my backside off and did not find a crumb (although, I went right past the individual that Bob Verish discovered, like within 4-6 feet!). Is no

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-04-30 Thread Jim Wooddell
I looked for that slice on Ebay and can not find it. Jim On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been informed by one of the Novato finders that this is a > non-issue. Dr. Jenniskens has long-since pledged to donate more > than adequate Novato type specimen

[meteorite-list] House-AD: A Wonderful Specimen for The Eyes and The Hearts !

2013-04-30 Thread Martin Altmann
Good Morning everybody. The Meteorite House loves such ads, where it hasn't to write lengthy explanations: http://kuerzer.de/Ganplanet1 The Dark Planet is floating through the iron spaces. Surrounded, as we see here better, by his satellites: http://kuerzer.de/Ganplanet2 What it is? A giant

Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)

2013-04-30 Thread Larry Atkins
Michael, Bob, Anne, Jim, Erik, List, Though it appears that the trend line is the same for all the different meteorites, with the smallest stones at the n.w. and getting larger to the s.e., there's at least one reason why this may not be entirely true for all the different falls. It's possible

[meteorite-list] Ad Taza

2013-04-30 Thread Ahmad Bouragaa
Hello List I would like to offer a lot of Taza, enjoy the pictures via: http://www.flickr.com/photos/36221954@N07/ Who's interested contact me of the list, best regards Ahmad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Old Sci-Fi Movie on TCM Tonight

2013-04-30 Thread lebofsky
Hello Robert: I had seen the movie years (decades) ago and sort of remember the ending (have it recorded but only watched half "live"). They actually did try to make it as scientifically accurate as they could. In the movie, they were not trying to look for a metal to make their ships out of, but

Re: [meteorite-list] Struga, Macedonia

2013-04-30 Thread Dieter Heinlein
Hello Carsten, Rob, Larry and Anne, I got the offer of Mr. Ljupco as well and have investigated the case. Obviously there was an authentic meteorite fall on Sep 27, 1972 at about 6:00 local time near Struga, Macedonia. Several pieces of a chondrite have been collected from an impact pit. One la

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2013-04-30 Thread valparint
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Chelyabinsk Contributed by: Jérôme de Creymer http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com