date:20130506

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about a 
domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  Those 
who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in states 
sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody at 
the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some form of 
leadership? 


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Mendy Ouzillou

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also exempt 
merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
 

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody at 
the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some form 
of leadership? 


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, possibly 
somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar Meteorite 
Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 100% of sales 
online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  There aren't 
too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, they are 
alright but this could change very shortly.


Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on top 
of the massive tax increases.

Adam





- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also exempt 
merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
 

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody at 
the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some form 
of leadership? 


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Wooddell

Are meteorites considered tangible personal property?

Jim

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
 point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
 possibly somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
 Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 
 100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  
 There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, 
 they are alright but this could change very shortly.


 Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
 history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
 2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
 top of the massive tax increases.

 Adam





 - Original Message -
 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

 Adam,


 Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
 Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
 dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also 
 exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

 I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
 extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
 $995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

 Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership?


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Hello All,
What Mendy said is correct.
There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
(indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it to
$10 million.  In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.

http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill

[You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
pretty well.]

Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
brick-and-mortar businesses.  And we have only one such meteorite
store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in Arkansas).
 I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are already
taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
this as being very important.  The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
might apply to tangible businesses as well.  I'm not sure; that would
take some looking into.

Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
sales, they can relax.  I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
affect my selling much.  I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
of people doing that with meteorites.  If anything, this will probably
encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online.  Thanks
to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
 point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
 possibly somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
 Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 
 100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  
 There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, 
 they are alright but this could change very shortly.


 Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
 history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
 2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
 top of the massive tax increases.

 Adam





 - Original Message -
 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

 Adam,


 Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
 Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
 dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also 
 exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

 I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
 extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
 $995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

 Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership?


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Wooddell

 Hi Jason

Are meteorite dealers collecting tax?  I get the impression they are
not.  States like AZ do not audit anywhere near what they should and
loose millions a year based on the laws they have in place now.  Best
I can figure is the internet is nothing special or exempting for the
requirement for tax to be collected or paid...at least in AZ.


Jim


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,
 What Mendy said is correct.
 There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
 (indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it to
 $10 million.  In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
 in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.

 http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill

 [You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
 pretty well.]

 Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
 brick-and-mortar businesses.  And we have only one such meteorite
 store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in Arkansas).
  I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
 with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are already
 taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
 this as being very important.  The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
 might apply to tangible businesses as well.  I'm not sure; that would
 take some looking into.

 Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
 sales, they can relax.  I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
 affect my selling much.  I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
 at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
 of people doing that with meteorites.  If anything, this will probably
 encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online.  Thanks
 to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.

 Regards,
 Jason

 www.fallsandfinds.com


 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
 point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
 possibly somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
 Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 
 100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption. 
  There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in 
 time, they are alright but this could change very shortly.


 Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
 history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
 2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
 top of the massive tax increases.

 Adam





 - Original Message -
 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

 Adam,


 Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
 Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL 
 meteorite dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It 
 would also exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 
 million or less.

 I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
 extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
 $995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

 Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry 
about a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership?


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they 
have already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Gary Fujihara

No, but as a Hawaii resident I must pay excise taxes on all sales, in state,
out of state and international.

gary

On May 6, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jason

Are meteorite dealers collecting tax? I get the impression they are
not. States like AZ do not audit anywhere near what they should and
loose millions a year based on the laws they have in place now. Best
I can figure is the internet is nothing special or exempting for the
requirement for tax to be collected or paid...at least in AZ.

Jim

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello All,
What Mendy said is correct.
There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
(indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it to
$10 million. In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.

http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill

[You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
pretty well.]

Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
brick-and-mortar businesses. And we have only one such meteorite
store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in Arkansas).
I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are already
taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
this as being very important. The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
might apply to tangible businesses as well. I'm not sure; that would
take some looking into.

Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
sales, they can relax. I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
affect my selling much. I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
of people doing that with meteorites. If anything, this will probably
encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online. Thanks
to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Don't let politicians fool you. They are talking about taxing at the
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from. In this case,
possibly somebodies living room or garage! If you own a brick and mortar
Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including
100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales
exemption. There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this
point in time, they are alright but this could change very shortly.

Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S.
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens. Just wait until
2014. A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on
top of the massive tax increases.

Adam

- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,

Very timely post. I just read the following article
(http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the
impact on almost ALL meteorite dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from
the article, It would also exempt merchants with online annual
out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another
$995,000. Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou

From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international
shipping ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to
worry about a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both
fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.
Big government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes
substantially is the solution during a depression? Hello, Is there
anybody at the helm? Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you
need some form of leadership?

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes



Gary is correct.  It is up to the states how they want online sellers to 
collect taxes for them and this bill will clear the way.  When I lived in 
Washington State, they did not hesitate to put their hands out for money 
regardless of where the items were sold or whether you had a storefront or not.

Anybody who listens to a politician or believes what is written (hidden) in a 
bill needs a quick education.   More than likely, this eduction will come in 
the form of a very light wallet.   This bill will open the door for state 
revenuers to hassle the small guy relentlessly.  They won't be happy until your 
pockets are completely empty..

Give a politician an inch an they will take a mile.

Adam


 

- Original Message -
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

No, but as a Hawaii resident I must pay excise taxes on all sales, in state, 
out of state and international. 

gary

On May 6, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jason
 
 Are meteorite dealers collecting tax?  I get the impression they are
 not.  States like AZ do not audit anywhere near what they should and
 loose millions a year based on the laws they have in place now.  Best
 I can figure is the internet is nothing special or exempting for the
 requirement for tax to be collected or paid...at least in AZ.
 
 
 Jim
 
 
 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,
 What Mendy said is correct.
 There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
 (indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it to
 $10 million.  In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
 in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.
 
 http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill
 
 [You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
 pretty well.]
 
 Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
 brick-and-mortar businesses.  And we have only one such meteorite
 store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in Arkansas).
 I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
 with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are already
 taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
 this as being very important.  The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
 might apply to tangible businesses as well.  I'm not sure; that would
 take some looking into.
 
 Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
 sales, they can relax.  I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
 affect my selling much.  I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
 at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
 of people doing that with meteorites.  If anything, this will probably
 encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online.  Thanks
 to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.
 
 Regards,
 Jason
 
 www.fallsandfinds.com
 
 
 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
 point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
 possibly somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
 Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 
 100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales 
 exemption.  There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this 
 point in time, they are alright but this could change very shortly.
 
 
 Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
 history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
 2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
 top of the massive tax increases.
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
 To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
 
 Adam,
 
 
 Very timely post. I just read the following article 
 (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the 
 impact on almost ALL meteorite dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from 
 the article, It would also exempt merchants with online annual 
 out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.
 
 I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
 extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
 $995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)
 
 Mendy Ouzillou
 
 
 
 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
 To: Adam

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Wooddell

I have to disagree with the brick and mortar comment.  any legitimate licensed 
business, whether it is you in your office living room or your car, is 
generally require to collect sales tax, or in Arizona, the transaction 
privilege tax.  I think the only reason a lot of people get away with not 
paying the tax, is that many states do not take the time to audit.  it is 
costing them millions of dollars per year.  
Jim

Jim Wooddell - Mobile

Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, possibly 
somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar Meteorite 
Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 100% of sales 
online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  There aren't 
too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, they are 
alright but this could change very shortly.


Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
top of the massive tax increases.

Adam





- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also 
exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
 

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership? 


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Anne Black

In Colorado I do pay sales tax on any sale when the buyer is within the 
State, being in person (as in Shows) or thru the Internet (on my site). 
Sales Out of taxing area (meaning the buyer is outside of Colorado) 
are exempt of sales tax.
And after the Tucson Show, I have to pay sales tax to the State of 
Arizona and to the City of Tucson on all the sales I have done while I 
and the buyer are physically in Arizona. And the sales tax rate for 
Arizona is higher than Colorado's.



Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


No, but as a Hawaii resident I must pay excise taxes on all sales, in 
state, out

of state and international.

gary

On May 6, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Jason

Are meteorite dealers collecting tax?  I get the impression they are
not.  States like AZ do not audit anywhere near what they should and
loose millions a year based on the laws they have in place now.  Best
I can figure is the internet is nothing special or exempting for the
requirement for tax to be collected or paid...at least in AZ.


Jim


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com 

wrote:

Hello All,
What Mendy said is correct.
There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
(indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it 

to

$10 million.  In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.



http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill


[You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
pretty well.]

Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
brick-and-mortar businesses.  And we have only one such meteorite
store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in 

Arkansas).

I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are 

already

taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
this as being very important.  The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
might apply to tangible businesses as well.  I'm not sure; that would
take some looking into.

Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
sales, they can relax.  I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
affect my selling much.  I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
of people doing that with meteorites.  If anything, this will 

probably

encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online.  Thanks
to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 

wrote:
Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at 

the
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
possibly
somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
Meteorite
Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 100% 
of sales
online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  There 
aren't too
many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, they are 
alright

but this could change very shortly.



Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase 

in U.S.
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait 
until
2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be 
fined on top

of the massive tax increases.


Adam





- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 

meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article 

(http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY).
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL 
meteorite
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would 
also exempt

merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.


I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly 

pay the
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)


Mendy Ouzillou




From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international 

shipping
ideas causing an increase in

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Don't forget about use tax.  I had to pay this tax on inventory purchases while 
in Washington State.  You might want to remember this when you throw out 
outrageously high prices for meteorites to the media.

Revenuers are very resourceful, watch TV and by law they are entitled to 
collect use tax which is supposed to be paid on nearly everything that you did 
not pay sales taxes on.

The main thing is that we have politicians trying g to raise taxes once again 
during a poor economy.


Adam



- Original Message -
From: Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

I have to disagree with the brick and mortar comment.  any legitimate licensed 
business, whether it is you in your office living room or your car, is 
generally require to collect sales tax, or in Arizona, the transaction 
privilege tax.  I think the only reason a lot of people get away with not 
paying the tax, is that many states do not take the time to audit.  it is 
costing them millions of dollars per year.  
Jim

Jim Wooddell - Mobile

Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, possibly 
somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar Meteorite 
Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 100% of sales 
online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  There aren't 
too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, they are 
alright but this could change very shortly.


Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
top of the massive tax increases.

Adam





- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also 
exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes
 

Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry about 
a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership? 


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they have 
already been knocked down.

Adam
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[meteorite-list] OT: Life In Black Holes?

2013-05-06 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum



Seems a little unlikely:


http://www.technologyreview.com/view/423608/planets-could-orbit-singularities-inside-black-holes/#comments

Planets Could Orbit Singularities Inside Black Holes
The discovery of stable orbits inside certain kinds of black hole implies 
that planets and perhaps even life could survive inside these weird objects, 
says one cosmologist.






Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

2013-05-06 Thread Richard Montgomery

I'm missing something herewell, most likely because I haven't read their 
new agreement policy.  I always just ship USPS priority flat rate, eat a 
few bucks, and bypass all the Ebay labels and stuff and junk and stuff and 
crap.  What's the main issue?

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

Hi Adam and List

I agree with you, Adam, BUT lets not forget that UPS, FedEx etc... don't 
have

ANY cost in dealing with snailmail (people, infrastructure etc...) which
certainly is the least beneficial post for USPS.

When I lived in US, I remember the same kind of debate about the Bells
and the telephone newcomers which didn't have to bear the cost of
the public tel cabins, their repairs etc...

Lets try to be fair in our judgement

All the best to all
Michael B.

PS: I have no personal interest in any telecommunication company 
whatsoever...

--
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:35 PM
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

It just shows how behind the times the United States Postal Service is. 
They raise international shipping costs by %50 after raising it every 
year for the last several years.  What are we getting for these massive 
increases?  Nothing!

Now packages have to be shipped twice, eBay's way of Band-Aiding a 
serious problem!  UPS, FedEx and EMS have been able to track 
international packages for over two decades!   It shows when the U.S. 
Government oversees an operation like USPS that we can count on extreme 
inefficiency.

I would fire the entire board and and tell the replacement  board to 
learn something from the private sector!

Adam

From: Jim Strope fa...@yahoo.com
To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

The downside for the buyer is that they will have to pay taxes on the 
full value.

Jim Strope
421 4th Street
Glen Dale, WV. 26038

Sent from my iPad

On May 5, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

under the new overseas shipping policy you send your package to a 
shipping service, which then sends and tracks your package to the 
customer. The customer will no longer be able to claim they did not get 
the package.

an improvement over previous policy.
cheers
Steve
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Re: [meteorite-list] Add I got some Scale Cubes back in stock (finnaly)

2013-05-06 Thread Richard Montgomery

VERY pleased to have minea collection of cubes:  Rex's, BK's, 
Greg's-golden...

- Original Message - 
From: rexsca...@comcast.net

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 12:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Add I got some Scale Cubes back in stock (finnaly)

http://www.scaleobjects.com/scale%20cubes/scalecubes.html

I have more set to arrive in 1-2 weeks but I got a few of 3 types in 
today.

Sorry I have been out of stock.

I have the Polished Gold, Polished Black, and Brushed Black in stock.

I do expect to run out again in 24-48 hours.

if I do check back in 2 weeks or so as more are arriving.

-Rex Scates
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Richard Montgomery

The Law of Unintended Consequences usually isn't in the view of the career 
politician since they discard the concept of a dynamic model.Adam is 
correct: it will force the small guy to retreat.  Fortunately, the strong 
are inovative and will define the dynamic


Richard Montgomery


- Original Message - 
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com

To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes




Gary is correct. It is up to the states how they want online sellers to 
collect taxes for them and this bill will clear the way. When I lived in 
Washington State, they did not hesitate to put their hands out for money 
regardless of where the items were sold or whether you had a storefront or 
not.


Anybody who listens to a politician or believes what is written (hidden) in 
a bill needs a quick education. More than likely, this eduction will come in 
the form of a very light wallet. This bill will open the door for state 
revenuers to hassle the small guy relentlessly. They won't be happy until 
your pockets are completely empty..


Give a politician an inch an they will take a mile.

Adam




- Original Message -
From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com
To: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

No, but as a Hawaii resident I must pay excise taxes on all sales, in state, 
out of state and international.


gary

On May 6, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Jason

Are meteorite dealers collecting tax? I get the impression they are
not. States like AZ do not audit anywhere near what they should and
loose millions a year based on the laws they have in place now. Best
I can figure is the internet is nothing special or exempting for the
requirement for tax to be collected or paid...at least in AZ.


Jim


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello All,
What Mendy said is correct.
There is a $1 million minimum in online sales in the current draft
(indisputable fact), and some politicians have suggested raising it to
$10 million. In other words, unless you gross over a million dollars
in online sales, you will not have to collect or pay this tax.

http://www.extremetech.com/internet/154397-us-senate-inches-closer-to-approving-historic-internet-sales-tax-bill

[You can find better sources online, but this ^ summarizes things
pretty well.]

Adam's point is somewhat moot, as sales tax is nothing new for most
brick-and-mortar businesses. And we have only one such meteorite
store in existence, to my knowledge (Steve Arnold's shop in Arkansas).
I'm not certain as to how businesses like this would have to deal
with the new internet tax, but since in-state online sales are already
taxed (even from small independent, online-only sellers), I can't see
this as being very important. The $1,000,000 online sales minimum
might apply to tangible businesses as well. I'm not sure; that would
take some looking into.

Unless meteorite dealers make more than $1,000,000 per year in online
sales, they can relax. I'm not a fan of this bill, but it will not
affect my selling much. I might buy some more run-of-the-mill things
at tangible stores if this goes into effect, but there's no real risk
of people doing that with meteorites. If anything, this will probably
encourage me to buy from smaller, independent sellers online. Thanks
to the million dollar minimum, they will still be tax-free.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
Don't let politicians fool you. They are talking about taxing at the 
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from. In this case, 
possibly somebodies living room or garage! If you own a brick and mortar 
Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes 
including 100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual 
sales exemption. There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so 
at this point in time, they are alright but this could change very 
shortly.



Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in 
U.S. history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens. Just 
wait until 2014. A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare 
will be fined on top of the massive tax increases.


Adam





- Original Message -
From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article 
(http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the 
impact on almost ALL meteorite dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt

Re: [meteorite-list] Add I got some Scale Cubes back in stock (finnaly)

2013-05-06 Thread rexscates

Your still missing 5 other custom ones :)
thou 2 of those are one or two off's

-rex


- Original Message -
From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
To: scates, rex rexsca...@comcast.net, 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 5:09:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Add I got some Scale Cubes back in stock (finnaly)

VERY pleased to have minea collection of cubes:  Rex's, BK's, 
Greg's-golden...



- Original Message - 
From: rexsca...@comcast.net
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 12:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Add I got some Scale Cubes back in stock (finnaly)


 http://www.scaleobjects.com/scale%20cubes/scalecubes.html

 I have more set to arrive in 1-2 weeks but I got a few of 3 types in 
 today.

 Sorry I have been out of stock.

 I have the Polished Gold, Polished Black, and Brushed Black in stock.

 I do expect to run out again in 24-48 hours.

 if I do check back in 2 weeks or so as more are arriving.

 -Rex Scates
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[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Major Achondrite Approvals, Planetaries, Etc.

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Some interesting new approvals, including three new Martians.

Highlights -

Rosamond LL3 (California) -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57434

NWA 7721 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56746

NWA 7635 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56618

NWA 7475 Martian (paired with NWA 7034, 7533) -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56132

Many others - 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0

Best regards,

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] eBay plus and minus

2013-05-06 Thread Don Skidmore

Hi list! I seldom post but enjoy all the remarks from the regulars. About the 
eBay thing... If I may weigh in... Aspects of eBay seem deplorable for sellers. 
As a buyer, however, I have at times gotten some incredible deals on ebay on 
high quality meteorites from trustworthy sources. To never shop ebay is a 
mistake, or would have been for me at least. (Though i have burnt myself a few 
times too) Yet, on the other hand, one can at times buy even better specimens 
of the same meteorite fall from a dealer's website for less people are paying 
in insane bidding wars on eBay. Dealer's are often very willing to offer a 
discount when they can. It certainly pays to know the dealer sites and remember 
what they have to offer. Getting to know dealers, hunters, and other collectors 
is part of the fascination with meteorites. So, Thanks for those of you who 
have nice websites... AND also for those of you who use eBay!  Don (Skidmore)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

2013-05-06 Thread Tom Randall


 Hi all,
   I'm not a big buyer by any means but when I do buy on eBay, it's 
only from the well known Meteorite list members. KNOW YOUR SELLER.
If shipping is ridiculously priced on eBay I go elsewhere. I also buy 
from list member dealers direct when I can.  I hope this helps future 
buyers.


Regards!

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

Hello Jim, Michael,
I'll be frank: I do not believe that the majority of meteorite hunters
and especially locals would have reached out to submit their find data
had not an official/NASA online tally been published.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that you would have
collected *as much* data as did Dr. Jenniskens.  Many locals clearly
wanted nothing to do with private meteorite hunters, and the
importance of SM numbers was only realized when the stone
weights/locations/finder's names were published on the NASA-affiliated
website.

We all appreciate the work you put into it, and you probably did as
good of a job as you could have, but the locals in the field were very
excited about being involved with a NASA/SETI project, and that helped
to drive many of the submissions.

With regards to Novato:

Without Dr. Jenniskens' efforts (published fireball trajectory
estimates and his description of what to look for), Novato #1 would
not have been recognized, and we do not know whether or not any of the
subsequent finds would have been made.  The entire fall could easily
have been missed.

Instead, thanks to the newspaper articles about the fireball (with
information from Dr. Jenniskens), Novato #1 was recovered.  Once we
had that data point, we knew where to look.  It also gave us greater
incentive to look in general.  It's much harder to motivate getting
out to hunt when you're *pretty sure* rocks made it to the ground, but
know little else about where they might be.  You wind up spending less
time in the right areas, etc.

His subsequent outreach efforts subsequently yielded Novato #6.

I think that would make him indirectly one of the most successful
hunters of the strewn-field.  He was responsible for the discovery of
Novato stones #1 and #6, and the information he published indirectly
led to the recovery of...everything else.

Stanfield will be another case of a poorly documented fall unless the
coordinates are eventually made 'public' on Galactic Analytics.  I'm
not saying there are rules that must be adhered to or anything like
that, but the way things are generally being done is unscientific.  If
data is being lost, it's a shame.  That's about it.  I don't think
anyone can argue with the fact that it's nice to see the data at some
point, and to make a strewn-field map.  If it's an important fall like
Sutter's Mill, it helps to recover more, too.

Also, Dr. Rubin pointed out he was the one the distributed with was
sent to him, not Peter.

The sample was forwarded to Dr. Rubin from the sample obtained by Dr.
Jenniskens, I believe -- from Novato #1.  Not sure exactly what you
mean.

Regards,
Jason


www.fallsandfinds.com


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Jason,

 And keep in mind I was the one maintaining the filed data field for
 the Garmin GPS  (gdp) files daily on the project and GE KMZ for finds.
  Not all meteorites found have SM numbers.  Can not speak for that
 process for Novato.
 While I agree 100% that it's nice to have field datalord knows
 I've go through hell with the Franconia project, Stanfield is a
 perfect example of this process not working.  Has no really useful
 field data in regards to assigned numbers.  It simply is not working
 as data is withheldso only those hunters know what their finds
 are.  Nothing but bragging rights and I am not saying there is
 anything wrong with bragging rights.
 That said, no one needs to or has to comply to these rules.  They are
 unofficial.  You and I might never know about finds in the field.
 Hunters want to delay public information as long as they can for have
 better chances of finding stones for themselves.  We see thisand I
 am not complaining, just pointing it out.  So in the real world, it is
 not working.

 Also, Dr. Rubin pointed out he was the one the distributed with was
 sent to him, not Peter.

 Jim


 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
 meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just a small correction, not to blow my own horn, but to clear up a
 misconception in Jason's post.

 7) Re: Jim's comments about find numbers (and apparently bragging
 rights) -- No.  Without the 'consortium,' publicly posted numbers,
 etc. we would have much less of an idea of where/how many of the
 Sutter's Mill meteorites were recovered.  The majority of the
 information shared on the SETI website would not be known, the strewn
 field would be poorly known (relative to now), etc.  And the fall is
 now well-documented, and the information is publicly shared.  That's
 worth a heck of a lot.

 This is not 100% true.  I was tracking and tallying the finds before
 the official page went online.  I still have hundreds of emails from
 the public and finders who contacted me to share info.   I was in
 touch with Dr. Jenniskens early on and he told me he was tracking the
 finds also, so we agreed to share data.  At that point, I stopped
 collecting or archiving find coordinates and asked the

Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Major Achondrite Approvals, Planetaries, Etc.

It is great to see that most dealers are doing the right thing by following 
protocol to make these pairings official.

Adam


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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Major Achondrite
Approvals, Planetaries, Etc.

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Some interesting new approvals, including three new Martians.

Highlights -

Rosamond LL3 (California) -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57434

NWA 7721 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56746

NWA 7635 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56618

NWA 7475 Martian (paired with NWA 7034, 7533) -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56132

Many others - 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Hello Jim, All,
As others have said -- it probably depends on the state.  At least
here in CA, paying sales tax is required for only online sales to
buyers within CA.  Ebay/Paypal have always enforced those taxes on me
when I've bought things.

Anne has just said something similar about Colorado.  Gary seems to
have it a bit tougher in Hawaii.  I don't know how it works elsewhere.

I can't see how this new law would hurt small sellers, though.  Since
only the companies making more than a million per year will have to
charge/pay taxes on inter-state sales, if anything, it gives an
advantage to the folks selling under that range.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 I have to disagree with the brick and mortar comment.  any legitimate 
 licensed business, whether it is you in your office living room or your car, 
 is generally require to collect sales tax, or in Arizona, the transaction 
 privilege tax.  I think the only reason a lot of people get away with not 
 paying the tax, is that many states do not take the time to audit.  it is 
 costing them millions of dollars per year.
 Jim

 Jim Wooddell - Mobile

 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

Don't let politicians fool you.  They are talking about taxing at the 
point-of-sale, meaning where the item is shipped from.  In this case, 
possibly somebodies living room or garage!  If you own a brick and mortar 
Meteorite Store, you are already expected to collect these taxes including 
100% of sales online. There is no one million dollar annual sales exemption.  
There aren't too many dealers that own a storefront so at this point in time, 
they are alright but this could change very shortly.


Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act is the largest tax increase in U.S. 
history and it was sneakily forced upon American citizens.  Just wait until 
2014.  A lot of people who simply cannot afford healthcare will be fined on 
top of the massive tax increases.

Adam





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From: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Met-List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,


Very timely post. I just read the following article (http://reut.rs/ZBTsVY). 
Regardless whether the bill passes or not, the impact on almost ALL meteorite 
dealers is nil. Here is the key excerpt from the article, It would also 
exempt merchants with online annual out-of-state sales of $1 million or less.

I am personally on my way to $1M in sales this year and will gladly pay the 
extra tax when I reach my goal. I have till December 31 to sell another 
$995,000.  Wish me luck. ;-)

Mendy Ouzillou



 From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes


Not only do we need to worry about eBay's new flawed international shipping 
ideas causing an increase in oversees shipment prices, we have to worry 
about a domestic increase in sales taxes so we have problems on both fronts.

Yes, our wonderful government (the senate) think that it is time that all 
online sellers should become tax collectors for their respective states.  
Those who host websites may be the first to start collecting around 10% in 
states sales taxes from every sale.

We need leadership more than ever in these financially depressed times.  Big 
government and the Post Office think that raising prices and taxes 
substantially is the solution during a depression?  Hello, Is there anybody 
at the helm?  Where is the Commander With A Few Teeth when you need some 
form of leadership?


Raising taxes and fees during a depression is kicking somebody when they 
have already been knocked down.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay plus and minus

For all of the smack I talk about eBay for sellers, as I buyer, I love
it.  Buyers can do no wrong.  eBay coddles it's buyers because it's
profit model changed when it acquired PayPal.  Prior to the
eBay/PayPal era, eBay tried to compete with PayPal by offering a rival
in-house payment service called BillPoint.  For years, eBay made the
bulk of it's revenue from the fees generated by sellers.  The playing
field, vis-a-vis buyers and sellers, was more level then.

BillPoint failed miserably and PayPal dominated.  eBay bought out
PayPal and then the profit model changed.  Suddenly, eBay made
revenues from sellers and buyers in a more equal proportion - seller's
fees (listing, enhancements, final value) *and* now fees from buyers
via PayPal (which are paid by the seller).  From that point forward,
eBay had to consider both sides using a different formula that
eventually tilted the playing field in favor of the buyer.  This is
worsened when eBay started generating significant advertising and
third-party revenue, further eroding it's financial dependance on
sellers.

eBay is now a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers - more so than
ever before.

I salute those old guard eBay meteorite sellers like the Humphries,
Bessey, and Hupes and others - they are a dying breed and a throw-back
to the heyday of meteorites on eBay.  If things keep going downhill
for sellers, the last diehards may abandon ship for better venues to
sell.

Is the writing on the wall for eBay meteorite trade dominance? One
look at Greg Hupe's killer new stand-alone website, and I see a trend
gathering momentum.  Ask Greg if he regrets setting up that website.
I can't speak for him, but I bet he's wondering why he didn't do it
sooner.  Plus, it's good eye candy.  :)

Best regards,

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On 5/6/13, Don Skidmore skiddylan...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi list! I seldom post but enjoy all the remarks from the regulars. About
 the eBay thing... If I may weigh in... Aspects of eBay seem deplorable for
 sellers. As a buyer, however, I have at times gotten some incredible deals
 on ebay on high quality meteorites from trustworthy sources. To never shop
 ebay is a mistake, or would have been for me at least. (Though i have burnt
 myself a few times too) Yet, on the other hand, one can at times buy even
 better specimens of the same meteorite fall from a dealer's website for less
 people are paying in insane bidding wars on eBay. Dealer's are often very
 willing to offer a discount when they can. It certainly pays to know the
 dealer sites and remember what they have to offer. Getting to know dealers,
 hunters, and other collectors is part of the fascination with meteorites.
 So, Thanks for those of you who have nice websites... AND also for those of
 you who use eBay!  Don (Skidmore)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Major Achondrite Approvals, Planetaries, Etc.

Agreed.  Having reliable analysis by a reputable lab, to establish a
legitimate pairing via the proper channels is the way to go.  It helps
everyone - private and science.  :)
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On 5/6/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It is great to see that most dealers are doing the right thing by following
 protocol to make these pairings official.

 Adam


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 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 6:10 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Major Achondrite
   Approvals, Planetaries, Etc.

 Hi Bulletin Watchers,

 Some interesting new approvals, including three new Martians.

 Highlights -

 Rosamond LL3 (California) -
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57434

 NWA 7721 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56746

 NWA 7635 Martian - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56618

 NWA 7475 Martian (paired with NWA 7034, 7533) -
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=56132

 Many others -
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0

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 MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Jason Wrote:

*
I can't see how this new law would hurt small sellers, though.  Since
only the companies making more than a million per year will have to
charge/pay taxes on inter-state sales, if anything, it gives an
advantage to the folks selling under that range.
*

Don't be so naive. This bill allows states to make all sellers collect taxes on 
their behalf and there is no real one million dollar exclusion: read the small 
print.  Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act was supposed make healthcare 
affordable.  Instead it was just one massive deceptive tax increase that will 
punish those who can least afford healthcare with fines. 

I have no idea why the feds are involved in state business in the first place.  
It is all driven by weak politicians who are being pressured by large companies 
like Amazon who want online market share.

At least here in Nevada, there are no state corporate taxes.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Hi Adam and List,

While I do not share 100% Adam's firm stance against taxation by the
fed in principle, I do agree that states' rights are being infringed
upon.  It should be up to the state, not the fed, to dictate what the
citizens of a given state pay in taxes based on revenue generated by
activities in that state.  Now, it would be a different story for
national or multi-national large companies who take advantage of
influence-peddling and tax loopholes to dodge their fair share.  The
little guy is left holding the bag.  And the fed is making matters
worse for forcing taxation upon state activities.  That is not a good
thing, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 5/6/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Jason Wrote:

 *
 I can't see how this new law would hurt small sellers, though.  Since
 only the companies making more than a million per year will have to
 charge/pay taxes on inter-state sales, if anything, it gives an
 advantage to the folks selling under that range.
 *

 Don't be so naive. This bill allows states to make all sellers collect taxes
 on their behalf and there is no real one million dollar exclusion: read the
 small print.  Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act was supposed make
 healthcare affordable.  Instead it was just one massive deceptive tax
 increase that will punish those who can least afford healthcare with fines.


 I have no idea why the feds are involved in state business in the first
 place.  It is all driven by weak politicians who are being pressured by
 large companies like Amazon who want online market share.

 At least here in Nevada, there are no state corporate taxes.

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

 Adam,
You're not telling the truth.

SMALL SELLER EXCEPTION.-A State is authorized to require a remote
seller to collect sales and use taxes under this Act only if the
remote seller has gross annual receipts in total remote sales in the
United States in the preceding calendar year exceeding $1,000,000. For
purposes of determining whether the threshold in this subsection is
met-

1) the sales of all persons related within the meaning of subsections
(b) and (c) of section 267 or section 707(b)(1) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 shall be aggregated; or
2) persons with 1 or more ownership relationships shall also be
aggregated if such relationships were designed with a principal
purpose of avoiding the application of these rules.

http://www.marketplacefairness.org/bill-text/

This also clears up the issue of whether or not a brick-and-mortar
store would have to accrue a total of $1,000,000 in sales -- versus
$1,000,000 in exclusively internet sales -- before being forced to
pay/charge taxes on online purchases.  It's internet-only.  In other
words, if your business grosses ~$1,500,000 in in-store sales, but
only sells $500,000 of merchandise online, you still wouldn't have to
pay any online sales tax.  Unless your state has preexisting
provisions that require you to do so.

Furthermore, the enforcement of this tax policy will be up to the
states.  In other words, they can choose to enforce it (or not) as
they see fit.

I'd read the document; it's only five pages.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
 Adam,
 You're not telling the truth.
 
 SMALL SELLER EXCEPTION.-A State is authorized to require a remote
 seller to collect sales and use taxes under this Act only if the
 remote seller has gross annual receipts in total remote sales in the
 United States in the preceding calendar year exceeding $1,000,000. For
 purposes of determining whether the threshold in this subsection is
 met-

 1) the sales of all persons related within the meaning of subsections
 (b) and (c) of section 267 or section 707(b)(1) of the Internal
 Revenue Code of 1986 shall be aggregated; or
 2) persons with 1 or more ownership relationships shall also be
 aggregated if such relationships were designed with a principal
 purpose of avoiding the application of these rules.
 
 http://www.marketplacefairness.org/bill-text/

 This also clears up the issue of whether or not a brick-and-mortar
 store would have to accrue a total of $1,000,000 in sales -- versus
 $1,000,000 in exclusively internet sales -- before being forced to
 pay/charge taxes on online purchases.  It's internet-only.  In other
 words, if your business grosses ~$1,500,000 in in-store sales, but
 only sells $500,000 of merchandise online, you still wouldn't have to
 pay any online sales tax.  Unless your state has preexisting
 provisions that require you to do so.

 Furthermore, the enforcement of this tax policy will be up to the
 states.  In other words, they can choose to enforce it (or not) as
 they see fit.

 I'd read the document; it's only five pages.

 Regards,
 Jason

 www.fallsandfinds.com


 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Jason Wrote:

 *
 I can't see how this new law would hurt small sellers, though.  Since
 only the companies making more than a million per year will have to
 charge/pay taxes on inter-state sales, if anything, it gives an
 advantage to the folks selling under that range.
 *

 Don't be so naive. This bill allows states to make all sellers collect taxes 
 on their behalf and there is no real one million dollar exclusion: read the 
 small print.  Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act was supposed make 
 healthcare affordable.  Instead it was just one massive deceptive tax 
 increase that will punish those who can least afford healthcare with fines.

 I have no idea why the feds are involved in state business in the first 
 place.  It is all driven by weak politicians who are being pressured by 
 large companies like Amazon who want online market share.

 At least here in Nevada, there are no state corporate taxes.

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Hupé


All,
re: Navato, Sutter's Mill...

I feel that the efforts of one individual purposely 'attempted' to drive a 
huge wedge between the private sector and the land owners starting at 
Sutter's Mill (I was not at Navato to witness first hand this, but read 
about it!!). During that meteorite event, that tactic worked initially but 
the stamina and longevity of private funds and professionalism fueled 
further local resident recoveries and financial motivation to find the 
Sutter's Mill stones yet to be discovered.


To further challenge the antic's of the 'NASA' representative, I believe the 
PRIVATE sector donated a greater portion of the specimens being studied 
around the world as we speak!!


My only issue is when one 'pro' distorts the truth to a point where the 
unknowing believe it true because it comes from a 'NASA' representative!!


Greg

-Original Message- 
From: Jason Utas

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:15 PM
To: Jim Wooddell ; Michael Gilmer ; Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

Hello Jim, Michael,
I'll be frank: I do not believe that the majority of meteorite hunters
and especially locals would have reached out to submit their find data
had not an official/NASA online tally been published.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that you would have
collected *as much* data as did Dr. Jenniskens.  Many locals clearly
wanted nothing to do with private meteorite hunters, and the
importance of SM numbers was only realized when the stone
weights/locations/finder's names were published on the NASA-affiliated
website.

We all appreciate the work you put into it, and you probably did as
good of a job as you could have, but the locals in the field were very
excited about being involved with a NASA/SETI project, and that helped
to drive many of the submissions.

With regards to Novato:

Without Dr. Jenniskens' efforts (published fireball trajectory
estimates and his description of what to look for), Novato #1 would
not have been recognized, and we do not know whether or not any of the
subsequent finds would have been made.  The entire fall could easily
have been missed.

Instead, thanks to the newspaper articles about the fireball (with
information from Dr. Jenniskens), Novato #1 was recovered.  Once we
had that data point, we knew where to look.  It also gave us greater
incentive to look in general.  It's much harder to motivate getting
out to hunt when you're *pretty sure* rocks made it to the ground, but
know little else about where they might be.  You wind up spending less
time in the right areas, etc.

His subsequent outreach efforts subsequently yielded Novato #6.

I think that would make him indirectly one of the most successful
hunters of the strewn-field.  He was responsible for the discovery of
Novato stones #1 and #6, and the information he published indirectly
led to the recovery of...everything else.

Stanfield will be another case of a poorly documented fall unless the
coordinates are eventually made 'public' on Galactic Analytics.  I'm
not saying there are rules that must be adhered to or anything like
that, but the way things are generally being done is unscientific.  If
data is being lost, it's a shame.  That's about it.  I don't think
anyone can argue with the fact that it's nice to see the data at some
point, and to make a strewn-field map.  If it's an important fall like
Sutter's Mill, it helps to recover more, too.


Also, Dr. Rubin pointed out he was the one the distributed with was

sent to him, not Peter.

The sample was forwarded to Dr. Rubin from the sample obtained by Dr.
Jenniskens, I believe -- from Novato #1.  Not sure exactly what you
mean.

Regards,
Jason


www.fallsandfinds.com


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jason,

And keep in mind I was the one maintaining the filed data field for
the Garmin GPS  (gdp) files daily on the project and GE KMZ for finds.
 Not all meteorites found have SM numbers.  Can not speak for that
process for Novato.
While I agree 100% that it's nice to have field datalord knows
I've go through hell with the Franconia project, Stanfield is a
perfect example of this process not working.  Has no really useful
field data in regards to assigned numbers.  It simply is not working
as data is withheldso only those hunters know what their finds
are.  Nothing but bragging rights and I am not saying there is
anything wrong with bragging rights.
That said, no one needs to or has to comply to these rules.  They are
unofficial.  You and I might never know about finds in the field.
Hunters want to delay public information as long as they can for have
better chances of finding stones for themselves.  We see thisand I
am not complaining, just pointing it out.  So in the real world, it is
not working.

Also, Dr. Rubin pointed out he was the one the distributed with was
sent to him, not Peter.

Jim


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

You can read, great

Thus you found the small print.  The state is in charge therefore the small guy 
will take a beating.

Adam




- Original Message -
From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes

Adam,
You're not telling the truth.

SMALL SELLER EXCEPTION.-A State is authorized to require a remote
seller to collect sales and use taxes under this Act only if the
remote seller has gross annual receipts in total remote sales in the
United States in the preceding calendar year exceeding $1,000,000. For
purposes of determining whether the threshold in this subsection is
met-

1) the sales of all persons related within the meaning of subsections
(b) and (c) of section 267 or section 707(b)(1) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 shall be aggregated; or
2) persons with 1 or more ownership relationships shall also be
aggregated if such relationships were designed with a principal
purpose of avoiding the application of these rules.

http://www.marketplacefairness.org/bill-text/

This also clears up the issue of whether or not a brick-and-mortar
store would have to accrue a total of $1,000,000 in sales -- versus
$1,000,000 in exclusively internet sales -- before being forced to
pay/charge taxes on online purchases.  It's internet-only.  In other
words, if your business grosses ~$1,500,000 in in-store sales, but
only sells $500,000 of merchandise online, you still wouldn't have to
pay any online sales tax.  Unless your state has preexisting
provisions that require you to do so.

Furthermore, the enforcement of this tax policy will be up to the
states.  In other words, they can choose to enforce it (or not) as
they see fit.

I'd read the document; it's only five pages.

Regards,
Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote:
 Adam,
 You're not telling the truth.
 
 SMALL SELLER EXCEPTION.-A State is authorized to require a remote
 seller to collect sales and use taxes under this Act only if the
 remote seller has gross annual receipts in total remote sales in the
 United States in the preceding calendar year exceeding $1,000,000. For
 purposes of determining whether the threshold in this subsection is
 met-

 1) the sales of all persons related within the meaning of subsections
 (b) and (c) of section 267 or section 707(b)(1) of the Internal
 Revenue Code of 1986 shall be aggregated; or
 2) persons with 1 or more ownership relationships shall also be
 aggregated if such relationships were designed with a principal
 purpose of avoiding the application of these rules.
 
 http://www.marketplacefairness.org/bill-text/

 This also clears up the issue of whether or not a brick-and-mortar
 store would have to accrue a total of $1,000,000 in sales -- versus
 $1,000,000 in exclusively internet sales -- before being forced to
 pay/charge taxes on online purchases.  It's internet-only.  In other
 words, if your business grosses ~$1,500,000 in in-store sales, but
 only sells $500,000 of merchandise online, you still wouldn't have to
 pay any online sales tax.  Unless your state has preexisting
 provisions that require you to do so.

 Furthermore, the enforcement of this tax policy will be up to the
 states.  In other words, they can choose to enforce it (or not) as
 they see fit.

 I'd read the document; it's only five pages.

 Regards,
 Jason

 www.fallsandfinds.com


 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Jason Wrote:

 *
 I can't see how this new law would hurt small sellers, though.  Since
 only the companies making more than a million per year will have to
 charge/pay taxes on inter-state sales, if anything, it gives an
 advantage to the folks selling under that range.
 *

 Don't be so naive. This bill allows states to make all sellers collect taxes 
 on their behalf and there is no real one million dollar exclusion: read the 
 small print.  Just like the Affordable Healthcare Act was supposed make 
 healthcare affordable.  Instead it was just one massive deceptive tax 
 increase that will punish those who can least afford healthcare with fines.

 I have no idea why the feds are involved in state business in the first 
 place.  It is all driven by weak politicians who are being pressured by 
 large companies like Amazon who want online market share.

 At least here in Nevada, there are no state corporate taxes.

 Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

Hello Greg,

After getting turned down a few times, I started asking a few
questions of the landowners who said they were committed to only
NASA coming onto their land.

Turns out a few private hunters whose names I won't mention decided to
say that they were working with NASA, and they told landowners not to
let (other) private hunters on their land.

Kind of made sense after I recalled that we'd run into one of the two
men earlier in the field, and his truck had a NASA sticker in the
window.  Before he recognized me, he told me he was working with NASA,
but I hadn't thought anything of it.

I suppose Dr. Jennisken's team could have been doing similar things,
but that wasn't the impression I got in the field.  The stories about
NASA being so tough was largely being told by one of the
aforementioned two hunters.

Go figure.

Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
 All,
 re: Navato, Sutter's Mill...

 I feel that the efforts of one individual purposely 'attempted' to drive a
 huge wedge between the private sector and the land owners starting at
 Sutter's Mill (I was not at Navato to witness first hand this, but read
 about it!!). During that meteorite event, that tactic worked initially but
 the stamina and longevity of private funds and professionalism fueled
 further local resident recoveries and financial motivation to find the
 Sutter's Mill stones yet to be discovered.

 To further challenge the antic's of the 'NASA' representative, I believe the
 PRIVATE sector donated a greater portion of the specimens being studied
 around the world as we speak!!

 My only issue is when one 'pro' distorts the truth to a point where the
 unknowing believe it true because it comes from a 'NASA' representative!!

 Greg

 -Original Message- From: Jason Utas
 Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:15 PM
 To: Jim Wooddell ; Michael Gilmer ; Meteorite-list

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

 Hello Jim, Michael,
 I'll be frank: I do not believe that the majority of meteorite hunters
 and especially locals would have reached out to submit their find data
 had not an official/NASA online tally been published.

 At the very least, I think we can all agree that you would have
 collected *as much* data as did Dr. Jenniskens.  Many locals clearly
 wanted nothing to do with private meteorite hunters, and the
 importance of SM numbers was only realized when the stone
 weights/locations/finder's names were published on the NASA-affiliated
 website.

 We all appreciate the work you put into it, and you probably did as
 good of a job as you could have, but the locals in the field were very
 excited about being involved with a NASA/SETI project, and that helped
 to drive many of the submissions.

 With regards to Novato:

 Without Dr. Jenniskens' efforts (published fireball trajectory
 estimates and his description of what to look for), Novato #1 would
 not have been recognized, and we do not know whether or not any of the
 subsequent finds would have been made.  The entire fall could easily
 have been missed.

 Instead, thanks to the newspaper articles about the fireball (with
 information from Dr. Jenniskens), Novato #1 was recovered.  Once we
 had that data point, we knew where to look.  It also gave us greater
 incentive to look in general.  It's much harder to motivate getting
 out to hunt when you're *pretty sure* rocks made it to the ground, but
 know little else about where they might be.  You wind up spending less
 time in the right areas, etc.

 His subsequent outreach efforts subsequently yielded Novato #6.

 I think that would make him indirectly one of the most successful
 hunters of the strewn-field.  He was responsible for the discovery of
 Novato stones #1 and #6, and the information he published indirectly
 led to the recovery of...everything else.

 Stanfield will be another case of a poorly documented fall unless the
 coordinates are eventually made 'public' on Galactic Analytics.  I'm
 not saying there are rules that must be adhered to or anything like
 that, but the way things are generally being done is unscientific.  If
 data is being lost, it's a shame.  That's about it.  I don't think
 anyone can argue with the fact that it's nice to see the data at some
 point, and to make a strewn-field map.  If it's an important fall like
 Sutter's Mill, it helps to recover more, too.

 Also, Dr. Rubin pointed out he was the one the distributed with was

 sent to him, not Peter.

 The sample was forwarded to Dr. Rubin from the sample obtained by Dr.
 Jenniskens, I believe -- from Novato #1.  Not sure exactly what you
 mean.

 Regards,
 Jason


 www.fallsandfinds.com


 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Jason,

 And keep in mind I was the one maintaining the filed data field for
 the Garmin GPS  (gdp) files daily on the project and GE KMZ for finds.
  Not all meteorites found have SM numbers.  Can not speak

Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

2013-05-06 Thread Greg Hupé


Hi Jason,

I do not know who you are talking about so please post their unprofessional 
initials at least! As for the problem [at Sutter's Mill], we were all(some) 
presented with cards of the NASA 'representatives' who bad-mouthed the 
'unqualified' private armatures as we were according to that one 'pro' and 
team. This was the first strewnfield where land owners posted, No Meteorite 
Hunting - NASA ONLY.


I am really not trying to draw too much here, but when one person props up 
someone who has done damage against us 'private amateurs'', then someone 
needs to speak up!! Sometimes unprofessional behavior happens on 'all' 
levels of meteoritics...


Greg

-Original Message- 
From: Jason Utas

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 11:51 PM
To: Greg Hupé ; Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

Hello Greg,

After getting turned down a few times, I started asking a few
questions of the landowners who said they were committed to only
NASA coming onto their land.

Turns out a few private hunters whose names I won't mention decided to
say that they were working with NASA, and they told landowners not to
let (other) private hunters on their land.

Kind of made sense after I recalled that we'd run into one of the two
men earlier in the field, and his truck had a NASA sticker in the
window.  Before he recognized me, he told me he was working with NASA,
but I hadn't thought anything of it.

I suppose Dr. Jennisken's team could have been doing similar things,
but that wasn't the impression I got in the field.  The stories about
NASA being so tough was largely being told by one of the
aforementioned two hunters.

Go figure.

Jason

www.fallsandfinds.com


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:

All,
re: Navato, Sutter's Mill...

I feel that the efforts of one individual purposely 'attempted' to drive a
huge wedge between the private sector and the land owners starting at
Sutter's Mill (I was not at Navato to witness first hand this, but read
about it!!). During that meteorite event, that tactic worked initially but
the stamina and longevity of private funds and professionalism fueled
further local resident recoveries and financial motivation to find the
Sutter's Mill stones yet to be discovered.

To further challenge the antic's of the 'NASA' representative, I believe 
the

PRIVATE sector donated a greater portion of the specimens being studied
around the world as we speak!!

My only issue is when one 'pro' distorts the truth to a point where the
unknowing believe it true because it comes from a 'NASA' representative!!

Greg

-Original Message- From: Jason Utas
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:15 PM
To: Jim Wooddell ; Michael Gilmer ; Meteorite-list

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update

Hello Jim, Michael,
I'll be frank: I do not believe that the majority of meteorite hunters
and especially locals would have reached out to submit their find data
had not an official/NASA online tally been published.

At the very least, I think we can all agree that you would have
collected *as much* data as did Dr. Jenniskens.  Many locals clearly
wanted nothing to do with private meteorite hunters, and the
importance of SM numbers was only realized when the stone
weights/locations/finder's names were published on the NASA-affiliated
website.

We all appreciate the work you put into it, and you probably did as
good of a job as you could have, but the locals in the field were very
excited about being involved with a NASA/SETI project, and that helped
to drive many of the submissions.

With regards to Novato:

Without Dr. Jenniskens' efforts (published fireball trajectory
estimates and his description of what to look for), Novato #1 would
not have been recognized, and we do not know whether or not any of the
subsequent finds would have been made.  The entire fall could easily
have been missed.

Instead, thanks to the newspaper articles about the fireball (with
information from Dr. Jenniskens), Novato #1 was recovered.  Once we
had that data point, we knew where to look.  It also gave us greater
incentive to look in general.  It's much harder to motivate getting
out to hunt when you're *pretty sure* rocks made it to the ground, but
know little else about where they might be.  You wind up spending less
time in the right areas, etc.

His subsequent outreach efforts subsequently yielded Novato #6.

I think that would make him indirectly one of the most successful
hunters of the strewn-field.  He was responsible for the discovery of
Novato stones #1 and #6, and the information he published indirectly
led to the recovery of...everything else.

Stanfield will be another case of a poorly documented fall unless the
coordinates are eventually made 'public' on Galactic Analytics.  I'm
not saying there are rules that must be adhered to or anything like
that, but the way things are generally being done is unscientific.  If
data is being lost, it's a shame.  That's about it.  I don't

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Websites and State Taxes