Re: [meteorite-list] Wingstars

2006-11-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here is a message I sent to the meteorite-list way back on 10/28/1998. A Library of Congress search confirms that Russell T. Wing was born in 1891, so I was right... he was 93 when I met him in 1984. jeff The definitive work on the subject of meteorwrong denial is: The Discovery of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Very Rare NWA2828

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
They certainly should be considered relict meteorites if there is evidence that they were once meteorites, although a hunk of Canyon Diablo iron-shale would not be deserving of a separate name. jeff At 09:25 AM 1/6/2007, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi David, What about irons stony/irons etc? How do

Re: [meteorite-list] Smoking Gun = Lake Murray???

2007-01-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
This abstract by Frank Kyte describes what may be a relict piece of the K-T impactor. I don't know if it was formally published elsewhere. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1996LPI27..717Kamp;data_type=PDF_HIGHamp;type=PRINTERamp;filetype=.pdf jeff At 10:12 AM

Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil, Relict, or Paleo- was Fossil NWA 2828

2007-01-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
As I was heavily involved in developing the NomCom rules, let me give my take on this whole discussion: Our actions were stimulated by the Osterplana fossil meteorites, as they are commonly called in the literature. For those who don't know these, they are a group of several dozen objects

Re: [meteorite-list] do meteorites fluoresce??

2007-02-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 05:49 PM 2/28/2007, Mr EMan wrote: In the for what its worth category, the degree of fluorescence in feldspar chondrules is the means for defining the intermediate grades within the 3 grades,( e.g 3.1, 3.2 , etc.) I don't know what wavelength is the standard for that examination. If you've

Re: [meteorite-list] BO - Barred Olivine Chondrule: RFS Picture of the Day

2007-10-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
For those of you who don't know what you're looking at in this picture, here is a little explanation. All of the colored bars and the circular rim in this picture are the mineral olivine. The black stuff in between the bars is either feldspathic glass (possible if this is a highly

Re: [meteorite-list] Carnacas smoke-trail photos

2007-10-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
There is no such naming convention. Jeff At 01:03 AM 10/3/2007, Sterling K. Webb wrote: The name of the village closest to the crater site is CARANCAS, not Carnacas. Under the naming convention, the nearest named human settlement would end up as the name of the meteorite when all the dust

Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Titicaca meteorite - The highest witnessed fall in history

2007-10-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just a second... Tulung Dzong fell March 26, 1944, in Tibet. According to MetBase, the coordinates are not known exactly, but the reported location is over 4000 m, about 20 km from any ground as low as 3843 m. This unclassified stone is held by the Geological Survey of India, Calcutta.

[meteorite-list] Names and synonyms (was ...Mali or Argelia...)

2007-10-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here is what I can tell everybody about official names and synonyms. Every meteorite is given one, and only one, official name. This is the name that must be used in publications. There are no rules for how the name is chosen, only guidelines. Mainly the guidelines call for naming the

Re: [meteorite-list] Names and synonyms (was ...Mali or Argelia...)

2007-10-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
-numbers be combined and the new name assigned to them too, or will they be preserved independently from the new paired geographical name? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Oktober

Re: [meteorite-list] AL HAGGOUNIA 001 (NOT AUBRITE)

2007-11-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
The message Greg just sent shows several misconceptions that I hear a lot. First, the AGU abstract he cites was not approved by anybody except the authors and a meeting program committee. It is not peer reviewed, nor is it endorsed by MetSoc. It is gray literature. Second, the MetSoc does

Re: [meteorite-list] The EL3/Aubrite/whatever - Why FOSSIL?

2007-12-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
It seems to me that there are at least four or five different things that people may be trying to describe using various terms, including fossil and paleo. 1) The original minerals in a meteorite may be partially or completely converted to terrestrial minerals on earth. 2) During alteration

Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite

2007-12-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
How about this abstract: Nininger, H.H. (1973) Fossil meteorites. Meteoritics 8, p.61. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=%3F%3F%3F%3FMetic...8db_key=GENpage_ind=86data_type=GIFtype=SCREEN_VIEWclassic=YEShigh=46562617c114850 jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [meteorite-list] Mn in Irons

2007-12-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
I don't know of any study that reports Mn in iron meteorites; just in silicate inclusions in some irons. I assume it is present at sub-ppm levels. jeff At 08:14 PM 12/14/2007, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hey list, Does anyone know what kind of levels (%) Mn is generally present in iron meteorites? I

[meteorite-list] Carancas is official

2008-01-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just a note: the Nomenclature Committee has officially named the 2007 Peru impactor Carancas. See the entry at http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?code=45817 jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center

Re: [meteorite-list] Simple mapping software? (A little OT)

2008-01-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
There is little reason to use this file. The Meteoritical Bulletin database can plot any search results in google earth, and it is always up to date. Jeff At 04:11 PM 1/9/2008, Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: I just found this on Google : http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Number=279959

[meteorite-list] Colbert Report

2008-01-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Did anybody else catch last night's Colbert Report? He did a segment on meteorites. If you can get the rebroadcast tonight, it's worth a look. Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192,

Re: [meteorite-list] Simple mapping software? (A little OT)

2008-01-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
There was a bug on the MetBull database site that reported longitudes between 0 and 1 degree west as negative east longitudes. Wold Cottage was one. It is fixed. Good catch. Also, I modified the little google maps applet in the database to allow you to use USGS topo maps and aerial photos

[meteorite-list] most popular meteorite

2008-01-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
Y'all, I've analyzed the webserver log files from the nearly 3 years of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database's existence online. Would anybody like to guess which article has been looked at more times than any other (30% more than the second-most viewed)? This is not counting views by google

Re: [meteorite-list] most popular meteorite

2008-01-21 Thread Jeff Grossman
how much we appreciate that you keep this invaluable source of information online and up to date. I have only a slight idea of the work you must put into this but from my perspective it is worth every bit of it. cheers Svend www.meteorite-recon.com - Original Message - From: Jeff

[meteorite-list] most popular meteorite - answer

2008-01-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
Congratulations to several of you who were right on the money. Here are the top 20, including the number of times the full page was viewed. I almost suppressed the results for the pseudometeorites in the #2 and #5 positions since most of these hits were people following links from the

Re: [meteorite-list] 3:00 p.m. fall statistics

2008-02-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here is an extract of all known fall times from MetBase, for those who want to play with the data. Comma-separated format. I have suppressed the names of the meteorites. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/csv/times.csv Jeff At 06:29 PM 2/16/2008, chris aubeck wrote: I received them and managed

Re: [meteorite-list] More on Chiang Khan

2008-03-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
The Meteoritical Bulletin does publish announcements of new masses when they are significant. Submit the report to the editor. You will need good evidence that the additional mass is really part of same fall. jeff At 08:39 PM 3/22/2008, Dave Gheesling wrote: Matt List, First, Matt,

Re: [meteorite-list] CV metachondrite pairings

2006-05-20 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 12:22 PM 5/20/2006, David Weir wrote: ... then NWA 3133 was determined to be a CV metachondrite and was eventually classified as an ungrouped primitive achondrite. I suspect it will eventually be reclassified as CV metachondrite consistent with what is presented on the NAU website. NWA 1839

Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado Meteorite Locations on Google Earth

2006-06-29 Thread Jeff Grossman
If any coordinates published in the MB are in error, please submit the correction to the Editor, Harold Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] or one of the AEs. If you can support the correction, it will be made in the database right away and an erratum will be printed. None of the MB coordinates are

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2918 CO3.0 reclassification AND Most Current/Accurate Meteorite Classification

2006-07-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
there you have it. Jeff At 07:25 PM 7/22/2006, David Weir wrote: Hello Adam, I just wanted to bring to your attention the new MetSoc abstract written by Jeff Grossman et al. which disputes the initial classification of your CO3.0 NWA 2918, and argues that it's actually a CO3.1. I see that you still

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 773 lunar pairings

2006-07-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
NomCom rules have absolutely no bearing on pairings like this. After all, such publications do nothing to change the names of the specimens. What this allows you to do is talk about the NWA 773 pairing group to mean the whole collection, preferably after citing the source for doing so.

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 773 lunar pairings

2006-07-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
This answer comes from Randy Korotev, emailed to me in response to Dave's question: If these stones really are all from one meteorite, which is my working hypothesis, it is the most lithologically (rock-type) complex lunar meteorite there is. It's a coarse-grained breccia. On my web site,

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 773 lunar pairings

2006-07-31 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 05:02 PM 7/31/2006, David Weir wrote: My point about NomCom concerned the issue of whether these new Bulletin entries (e.g., NWA 2727) would be permitted to include a statement about its likely pairing to NWA 773. I didn't think that NomCom rules would permit this, even though it would be

Re: [meteorite-list] conflicting viewpoints

2006-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dear all, It is simply not true that scientists only collect meteorites in Antarctica. I personally know of many scientific collecting expeditions, including countries like Oman, Morocco, Mauritania, Libya, Niger, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Mongolia, Chile, Australia, and the US, all in the last

Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification

2006-08-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman

RE: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification

2006-08-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
of CO3 meteorites, 50% of them are in July! Those are some astronomical odds! Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

2006-09-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
What the heck is a paleometeorite, how is it different from a fossil meteorite, and why is NWA 2828 called this? jeff At 01:33 PM 9/5/2006, Greg Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, I am pleased to announce a new and very rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite. It is NWA 2828 and was originally thought to be

Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

2006-09-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828 What

Re: [meteorite-list] List of recent falls?

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
I have written such a page for Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite_falls jeff At 05:01 PM 9/11/2006, you wrote: List, If you have 'The Catalogue of Meteorites' or similar resource one can quite esily find the falls (and finds) up to 2000. But what about the most recent falls

Re: Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] tazmania meteorites

2006-09-22 Thread Jeff Grossman
Do any of you know the real location of the Lefroy iron? The NHM catalogue has it in the sea north of Tasmania. jeff At 08:27 PM 9/22/2006, Norbert F. Kammel wrote: Hi, List Steve, WHOOPS! I have covered my head in shame, I just didn't know better. But Bob Walker did! Ref. forwarded

[meteorite-list] Moss is official

2006-09-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Hi all, Moss has been approved by the Nomenclature Committee. The write-up on it can be viewed at http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?code=36592. Note that we expect the uncertainty on the petrologic type to be removed once the analyses are all done. Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman

Re: [meteorite-list] Felix... CO3.2 or CO3.4???????

2003-06-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
No way Felix is 3.2. Jones and Scott (1990) had it at 3.2, but more recent data show it to be significantly higher. Kainsaz is a solid 3.2, and all properties of Felix show it to be more equilibrated than Kainsaz. Data on TL (Sears) and on amoeboid olivine inclusions (Chizmadia) show Felix

Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

2003-06-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dear list and Ms. Kallis, Let me reiterate the statements we made. The petrology and geochemistry of this object strongly suggest that it has a terrestrial origin. (http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf) and, in my email to the list on 2 June 2003: There is at present no

Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites

2003-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Sorry to disappoint you, but Joel's Iron was named long before there was a NomCom. This name would indeed violate the modern Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature had it been found recently. There are other meteorites with similar grandfathered names, e.g.. Lutschaunig's Stone, Holland's

Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites

2003-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Mike, The Meteoritical Society is not an authority on geographic names. The NomCom does the best it can in approving names for meteorites based on geographic names, but mistakes do get made. We often have to rely on people with local knowledge of the find area (or the submitter of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
New groups names are not a NomCom issue, although there are people who think it should be. Group names come into being through consensus. Many group names have died at birth, never being adopted by anybody other that the person who wrote the initial publication (e.g., F chondrites, CA

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
- Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group New groups names are not a NomCom issue, although there are people who think it should be. Group names

Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re analytical services costs

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
The NomCom would recognize classifications done by anybody with a proven track record in meteorite geochemistry and petrology. Several members of the dealer community have described meteorites from their own analyses. These dealers understand that the NomCom may ask for a second opinion on

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: analytical classification

2003-07-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
+ Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:13:35 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: analytical classifiucation In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
Without taking sides in this debate, I can help get the statistics straight. 73% of classified and published meteorites are Antarctic (source Metbase v6.0, total 20,366 of 27,732 meteorites ). Of the remaining meteorites, ~56% (~4100) of them are in numbered series directly attributable to

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 801

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
? Or is this a sort of a nonsense question, from the viewpoint of the NomCom... :-) Btw: this is, what I was thinking of when I made that P.S. remark about that Begaa stone with my last post. Alex Berlin, Germany Jeff Grossman wrote: This meteorite is listed in the Provisional Names page: http

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 801

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
816, and there are probably other gaps, too, in all the numbers known so far. This surely is for good reason and perhaps Jeff Grossman may comment on this, if he likes to do so. Alex Berlin, Germany P.S., on a side note: I wonder why that meteorite once inofficially sold under the name of Begaa never

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
As for rare meteorites, which I will define as non-ordinary-chondrites, there are 1550 from Antarctica and 467 from commercial collections. Let's refine the numbers a bit. Pretty much the start of hot desert collecting was in 1998. Of the numbers you quote above how many are since the start

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
overwhelmingly ordinary chondrites. jeff At 01:30 PM 8/8/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: 70% of all known meteorites are Antarctic 20% of all known meteorites have been collected commercially. The remaining 10% include all the falls and sporadic finds throughout history. I

Re: [meteorite-list] Correlation of Fa Fs for ordinary chondrites

2003-09-08 Thread Jeff Grossman
The relationship that you found was documented in meteorites shortly after the first electron microprobes became available to meteorite researchers. The landmark paper was: KEIL K. and FREDRIKSSON K. (1964) The iron, magnesium, and calcium distribution in coexisting olivines and rhombic pyroxenes

Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
to arrive at a status of general acceptance by the scientific community? Should CH-BEN be abandoned? Are both of them valid side by side for the time being? Jeff Grossman, can you shed some light on this? When Weisberg et al. wrote their comprehensive paper on these primitive chondritic

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-16 Thread Jeff Grossman
At 11:43 PM 9/16/2003 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, Thank you for the explanation and clarification that clans do not necessarily tie two groups together...though they are thought to be related due to similarities. So it goes something like this... (with a few questions at the bottom).

Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Anomalous and Ungrouped Ordinary Chondrites

2003-10-19 Thread Jeff Grossman
Norbert stated the facts well about ungrouped and anomalous chondrites. There are no rules or guidelines for grouping meteorites. However, a lot of researchers subscribe to the idea, which I think originated with John Wasson, that it takes 5 to sufficiently define the properties of a bunch of

Re: [meteorite-list] Since we are on the subject of testing

2003-11-15 Thread Jeff Grossman
We are voting on Dronino now. Results should be announced very soon. jeff At 01:44 AM 11/16/2003 +0200, Pekka Savolainen wrote: Well, all I have seen, is the article on the site of the Vernadsky Institute; http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/dronino1-e.html The Laboratory's analysis showed that

Re: [meteorite-list] Albareto

2002-01-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
Olivine in Albareto was measured by Mason (1963) [GCA 27, 1011-1023] to be Fa27 (The Catalogue of Meteorites and MetBase both contain an erroneous value for Mason). Rubin (1990) [GCA 54, 1217-1232] confirmed Mason's data, getting Fa26.6, as well as a Co content of kamacite of 14.4 mg/g.

[meteorite-list] New book

2002-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
For whoever's interested, check out the listing on Amazon.com for this upcoming book by Al Rubin: Disturbing the Solar System Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA

Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites - primitive or not?

2002-04-23 Thread Jeff Grossman
Brachinites are indeed primitive achondrites. This class of meteorites is defined as those whose bulk compositions are approximately chondritic, but whose textures are igneous or metamorphic. [They] are generally thought to be ultrametamorphosed chondrites or residues of very low degrees of

RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question

2002-07-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
There are ordinary chondrites more reduced than the H group. Burnwell is one. Others were studied by: Wasson J. T., Rubin A. E., Kallemeyn G. W. (1993) Reduction during metamorphism of four ordinary chondrites. Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 57 (8), 1867-1878. If memory serves, some of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question

2002-07-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Yes, but the Wasson paper has the final word, as the McCoy work is not peer-reviewed. jeff At 08:33 PM 7/13/2002, David Weir wrote: Hello Jeff and List, Another paper was later written by McCoy, Keil, Scott, Benedix, Ehlmann, Mayeda, and Clayton, titled Low-FeO Ordinary Chondrites: A Nebular

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
We are just days away from releasing a preview version of the new bulletin. There will be several weeks during which you can make comments to the editor before publication. We are just days away from releasing a preview version of the new bulletin. There will be several weeks during which

[meteorite-list] NWA 2035

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
What is this entry for NWA 2035, classified as just anomalous? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2035

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
Oops... ignore that please! At 11:19 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: What is this entry for NWA 2035, classified as just anomalous? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
This happens all the time with meteorites that get on the market before they come to the NomCom. It's just a fact of life. If a meteorite is found halfway between towns, then usually the person who submits it to us chooses. Hyphenated names are only used in special circumstances (there will

Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin

2005-05-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
then the TKW will have been updated. Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Amgala Official? / New Bulletin This happens all

[meteorite-list] New toy

2005-05-12 Thread Jeff Grossman
Okay all you testers out there. I developed a meteorites of the world add-on for World Wind. If anybody wants to try it out, it's posted on the MetBull database site, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php Make sure you read the note that appears next to the link to the add-on. It's

RE: [meteorite-list] New toy

2005-05-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
yet? I'd like to be able to look at some of the real and purported impact structures from altitude. Tracy Latimer From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New toy Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:12:19 -0400 Okay all you testers out

Re: [meteorite-list] PAC vs Type-7 vs IMB? (Was: Portales Valley Classification Info)

2005-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
Petrological type 7 is generally taken to be an extension of the solid-state metamorphic sequence defined by Van Schmus and Wood (1967). Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (2001, Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 36, no. 3, p. 439-457) endorsed this concept and specifically excluded from type 7

Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

2005-05-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
I was the lazy editor of the MetBull when PV fell, so I can tell you the story. Basically, two scientists were in communication with the NomCom during the classification, Dave Kring and Alan Rubin. There were two schools of thought on what to call it, and these were not really that far apart.

Re: [meteorite-list] Online Paper About Sept. 2003 Orissa (India) Meteorite Shower

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
This is, of course, formally named the Kendrapara meteorite, http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=12276. jeff t 01:46 PM 5/27/2005, Paul H wrote: An article about the September 27, 2003 meteorite shower and the meteorites recovered from it is available online for downloading. The

Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133

2005-06-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
This sort of pairing question is not really the domain of the NomCom. It has to be worked out in the literature. Once the meteorites are announced, which these now are, we do not consider publication of supplemental information like pairings. The exception would be if somebody wanted to

[meteorite-list] NWA 869

2005-06-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Okay list, time to make yourselves useful... Everybody wants the NomCom to publish and make official the name NWA 869. So please, if you know anything, help contribute to the facts so I can produce a writeup for submission to the committee. Here's what I've got: * At least 400 kg of

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Australia Classification List Updated

2005-06-30 Thread Jeff Grossman
Looks like you found a typo! It's not type 4, that's certain from the description. jeff At 06:30 AM 6/30/2005, Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day folks, I have just finished the very tedious task of updating my Classification List with all of the new meteorites. (Now over 10,000 meteorites) It should

Re: [meteorite-list] xenolithic breccia's?

2005-07-11 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some of you may enjoy reading this document on the subject of nomenclature of impactites: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/scmr/docs/paper_12/scmr_paper_12_1.pdf jeff At 04:42 AM 7/11/2005, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Maybe this will help but I'm not sure that it works for all examples. I think this is something

Re: [meteorite-list] An Asteroid Headed Our Way (2004 MN4 - 99942Apophis)

2005-07-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Am I the only one who really liked the name given to this asteroid? jeff At 02:49 PM 7/26/2005, Darren Garrison wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:04:12 +, tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no desire to be wiped out, or even seriously inconvenienced by space junk; I fully expect

Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
The reason NASA ADS doesn't turn up anything is because this is a virtually unstudied meteorite, so there is no scientific literature on it. In fact, ADS gives one hit on the proper name, Northwest Africa 859, and three hits on Taza; all of these hits are to popular literature. If and when

Re: [meteorite-list] What are the FeO/MnO Ratios for the Kalahari 008, 009?

2005-08-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
When this meteorite came to my attention as a member of the NomCom, warning bells went off in my head too. Enough evidence was presented to us to convince us that these were meteorites, although I expected this not to be the case, that we had to name them. But the find story is very odd. My

Re: [meteorite-list] What are the FeO/MnO Ratios for the Kalahari 008, 009?

2005-08-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
If you want to see the Kalahari 008/9 location from Google Earth, download that program from http://kh.google.com/download/earth/index.html, then take the snippet of code below, paste it into a text file, save it as kalahari.kml, and then launch the file. There must be a better way to send

Re: [meteorite-list] Terminological question: SMB vs. IMB

2005-09-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
The Nomenclature Committee is not the arbiter of such issues. The MetBull is just like any other publication when it comes to the use such terms, the product of editing by a group of scientists, and no more or less authoritative than other publications. jeff At 08:36 AM 9/2/2005, Greg Hupe

Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Guerir TKW and TAW

2005-09-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
Gee, I would define Total Available Weight as that material which is accessible and ready for use in scientific research. This would include the pieces in Morocco museums, but not pieces in the hands of collectors. Availability is a matter of perspective and access, which is different for

Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Guerir TKW and TAW

2005-09-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
No, I don't think so. My point is that availability depends on who you are. A typical scientist has neither a large (or any) meteorite collection nor a budget for purchasing specimens. To him or her, privately owned meteorites are not directly available. It's different for a researcher at

Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley: Not Just Another Ordinary Chondrite

2005-10-05 Thread Jeff Grossman
Obviously there is disagreement among scientists on what to call PV. I personally see no reason to call it type 7, a primitive achondrite, an achondrite OR to coin a new term. If I take the conclusions of the Ruzicka study as a given, that you had H6 material near its peak metamorphic

[meteorite-list] Dronino

2004-01-18 Thread Jeff Grossman
Dronino has been classified as an ungrouped ataxite by Vernadsky and UCLA. It was in the last vote by the NomCom. I'll find out tomorrow if it was actually approved (I didn't know of any serious problems), but you can be confident in its classification as a real iron meteorite. jeff At 02:38 AM

Re: [meteorite-list] Wabar Crater Under Threat From Vandals

2004-02-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
This story is about the Wahba volcanic crater near Jeddah, not the Wabar impact site. jeff At 10:55 PM 2/8/2004 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: This is not true! Waber is 18 hours in the sand dunes, and is small craters, not larger than Meteor Crater. What crap is this? Anyone elaborate? Mike

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 3099 (L/LL3) and why not 3.X ???

2004-03-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Metamorphic subtypes (the tenths place in the petrologic type) are routinely determined in a variety of ways, some more accurate and reliable than others. For a given meteorite, you have to look into what was done before you can evaluate the usefulness of the assigned number. The most reliable

Re: [meteorite-list] LL7 Chondrites

2004-03-25 Thread Jeff Grossman
One of the reasons that type 7 ordinary chondrites are rare may be that many researchers do not think the distinction between 6 and 7 is significant and therefore never classify anything as type 7. As far as anymeteorite called type 6/7 is concerned, don't forget that the slash in a

Re: [meteorite-list] I need help!! L, H what?

2004-04-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
Fresh H chondrites have 9-13 volume% metal plus sulfide, L chondrites have 6-7 vol% metal plus sulfide. But notice that a perfectly respectable H chondrite with 9% only has slightly more metal+sulfide than a perfectly respectable L with 7%. It's not always easy to distinguish on this basis.

Re: AW: WG: [meteorite-list] Classification question

2004-05-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
Not gonna happen. The types-1 and -2 designations are archaic, even for carbonaceous chondrites. The problem is that some type 3's are aqueously altered and some type 2's are thermally metamorphosed. This is what happens when you use one digit to signify two variables. Since the type 3.0-6

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA series question

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
We'll update the provisional list in the next few months. It will be posted on the web site when done. jeff At 11:29 AM 4/28/2004 +0200, Pierre-Marie PELE wrote: Hello to the List. I'ml searching any information for NWAs ranging from NWA 1957 to NWA 2999 and from NWA 3010 to 3200. Why is

Re: [meteorite-list] Polymict EUC vs. HOW - NWA1109 question

2004-05-26 Thread Jeff Grossman
Here's a quote from Mittlefehldt's article in the 1998 Planetary Materials volume: Howardites have long been known to be polymict breccias (Wahl 1952). More recently, numerous polymict breccias with bulk compositions like those of eucrites have been recovered from Antarctica, leading to

[meteorite-list] Numbered meteorites

2004-05-28 Thread Jeff Grossman
Some of you may enjoy looking at a web page I decided to put together. It's not done yet, but will be soon. http://meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/areas/regions.html jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National

Re: [meteorite-list] New Lunar Meteorite Discovered - NWA 3163

2005-11-02 Thread Jeff Grossman
Just out of curiosity, how can you determine the weathering level of a meteorite like this, which lacks significant metal and sulfide? The scale up to W4 is defined by these and only these minerals: W0: No visible oxidation of metal or sulfide. A limonitic staining may be noticeable in

Re: [meteorite-list] Google Earth, a wonderful tool for meteorite hunters

2005-11-03 Thread Jeff Grossman
The Meteoritical Bulletin database actually does more than this... if you do a query that gives you a list of meteorites, you can click map all at the head of the column with the little earth symbols in it and Google Earth will map all of them at once for you. Try it, for example, on this

[meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletins

2005-11-07 Thread Jeff Grossman
To the list - For those who may be interested, I just completed scanning all of the Meteoritical Bulletins back to No. 1 (1957). They're all online now at http://meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=pub_bulletin. Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US

[meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletins - missing page

2005-11-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
Does anybody out there have access to Meteoritical Bulletin No. 16 (1960)? The Smithsonian copy, which I used for the official website, only has page 1, and I know there is at least one other page. Thanks, Jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey

[meteorite-list] NWA 869 - approved by NomCom

2005-11-14 Thread Jeff Grossman
It's finally happened: NWA 869 has been recognized as an official meteorite name by the Nomenclature Committee. Thanks again to all of you who wrote to me last summer with info on this. jeff http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=31890 Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703)

Re: [meteorite-list] Total Number of Meteorites?

2005-12-06 Thread Jeff Grossman
If you take the info in the MetBull database on face value, you find that there are 581 metric tons of approved plus provisional meteorites out there, broken down as (rounded to nearest ton): Irons+stony irons: 521 tons Ordinary chondrites: 52 tons Carbonaceous chondrites: 3 tons HED

Re: [meteorite-list] Powellsville is missing!

2005-12-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
USGS to the rescue: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=140:3:16545549617422319301::NO::P3_FID:1076685 Click on one of the mapping services to the right of this page, preferably Topozone, to see where it is. Google maps doesn't show it. This GNIS site is an excellent resource for US

Re: [meteorite-list] Question

2006-01-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
Different. A slash means it was classified as being transitional between the two types, H4 and H5. A hyphen means it is a breccia of H4 through H5 lithologies. jeff At 09:45 AM 1/17/2006, Dave Carothers wrote: Good day all. I have perhaps a very dumb question that I haven't been able to

Re: [meteorite-list] Slashes and hyphens (and round brackets)

2006-01-17 Thread Jeff Grossman
IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Dave and List, 1. Jeff Grossman wrote this in 1998 (private communication) about Açfer 160, classified as an LL3.8-6 chondrite: The hyphen implies a continuous

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