Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Impact crater vs. impact hole

[Jose Campos]

Hi Sterling, Bernd and List,

The iron impactor versus a stone impactor  mentioned in the email, is a very 
interesting concept!


As a matter of interest and regarding the Carancas meteorite impact, has 
anyone taken taken pics. of the reported mushroom cloud mentioned in your 
email?

Regards,
José Campos


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From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Impact crater vs. impact hole



Hi, Bernd, List,

   An excellent attempt at defining the difference,
but as Bernd has pointed out there are characteristics
of both in Carancas. But, Buchward is seeing things
from an "iron" perspective.

   An iron will make a much larger "impact pit"
than any stone ever could, as it takes much more
energy to vaporize iron than it does to vaporize rock.
(The boiling point of iron is 3134 degrees Kelvin,
almost double that of even the toughest rocks.)

   In practical terms, an exploding (vaporizing)
iron impactor would probably have to hit at 8 to
10 km/s to create a vaporizing explosion. Buchwald
mentions a velocity of 5 km/s as an upper limit to
an impact pit. This is because if all the impact energy
were converted to heat with full 100% efficiency, it
would take a 4.2 km/s impact to vaporize rock. In a
real impact, it would take 5 km/s or more to do it.

   In practice, if we had a vast range of craters to examine,
we would find "true" craters made by stones that were
smaller than any "true" crater made by irons, and iron
impact pits larger than the smallest "true" craters made
by stones.

   There's an interesting complication not often thought
about: an iron impact with insufficient energy to vaporize
its own iron can be "hot" enough to vaporize the terrestrial
rocks it impacts! So, it's possible that an iron impactor
could produce a vaporizing cratering explosion that leaves
the impactor (partly) intact! Perhaps this type of crater
would occupy the intermediate range between stone and
iron craters in the case of iron impactors.

   Carancas had "vaporizing" traits: the reported "bright
flash," the mushroom cloud, and the mysterious vapors
all point to a thermal event, but other signs of the heat of
a rock-vapor explosion event are missing. I believe that
what happened is that only the 5% (to maybe) 10%
troilite component of the impactor vaporized (an idea
first posted on the List by Piper R. W. Hollier -- going
to be academic here and credit my sources).

   Troilite vaporizes at a much lower temperature than
rock -- only 427 degrees C. -- but it would produce a
very satisfying explosive shock, excavating the crater,
powdering the impactor, releasing hot sulfur into the
air and the "wet" crater. Troilite is almost unknown in
the terrestrial environment because it breaks down
rapidly at Earth-normal temperatures; vaporized troilite
would chemically combine almost instantly. Even the
"bubbling" in the crater, which everybody immediately
dismissed, can be explained by the short-term reaction
of the troilite-generated (dilute) sulfuric acid in the crater
with the native carbonates and the production of
hydrogen sulfide.

   As for what might be found in the crater itself, I
suggest that nothing but the free iron component will
have remained there, probably having penetrated the
crater "bottom" as far as the native rock allows. Early
descriptions of big pieces picked by local institutions
show a 15% free iron content, much of it (by weight)
in large irregular concentrations (like Portales Valley).
That portion is likely in (or under) the crater still. IF
it were a ten-ton impactor, there could (might) be a
ton of iron down there. (Notice I used the big "if.")

   This type of "semi-vaporizing" explosion has never
been proposed before as far as I know, but the fit of this
"theoretical" model to Carancas is extremely convincing.
(Well, I'm convinced anyway.) An investigation of this
impact could actually contribute something to our scant
knowledge of impact mechanics in the real world, but
instead (if the MSNBC article is to be believed) we get
"ho-hum, another boring H4/5." My, are we spoiled,
or what?


Sterling K. Webb

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Hello All!

BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of
Iron Meteorites, Volume 1, pp. 33-34:

For the sake of clarity it should be noted here that
giant meteorites can form two types of craters.
The smaller crater is more properly called a large
impact hole and is geerated by relatively small
meteorites (< 50 tons) with relatively low velocities
not exceeding 5 km/s. Such meteorites cause
mechanical destruction of the ground and are themselves
usually broken into a number of fragments
upon impact. The major part of the meteortic fragments
wi

Re: [meteorite-list] 360* images again

[Jose Campos]

Hi Philippe,

Nice photos of NWA 4536 that you have on your site. Merci for sharing them 
with the List.

Is this a "found" meteorite?

José Campos
Portugal


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Hi Marcin and listees,

Thank you for sharing these 360° images, very nice.

I added in my website 10 images following the same priciple of the NWA 
4536 (EUC) but not a small movie just photos.

Direct link: http://www.meteoritica.com/nwa4536.html

Thanks for looking and best wishes for all,
Philippe Thomas
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite: world dictionary-in progress

[Jose Campos]

Hi Dirk,

That sounds like an interesting project!
I can confirm that in Portuguese, the word " meteorito " is correct.
I would like to add that in its plural form, is " meteoritos ".

However, on the list of languages given in your site, there is a minor 
error, in english,  for the word " Portugese " - obviously, it should have 
been written

" Portuguese ".

As a matter of interest: Other Portuguese meteorite related words:

meteoroid   -   meteoroide
meteor -   meteoro
bolide  -   bólide
fireball -   bola de fogo
smoke trail  -   rasto de fumo
magnitude  -   magnitude

On another note: Iam sorry that I could not activate the "Visitor's Map " 
shown at the bottom of your page. I dont know why.

Keep well,

José Campos
Cacém, PORTUGAL
Commander, Order of Prince Henry (the Navigator) (1984)
Past President, Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA, South Africa) 
1990-91

Honorary Member, ASSA South Africa (1993)
Honorary Member ASSA Natal Center, South Africa (1978)
Director, Comet & Meteor Section, ASSA (1983-1992)
Independet co-discoverer of Comet Haneda-Campos D/1978 R1 (from Durban, 
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite: world dictionary-in progress



Hello List,
 If anyone would like to contribute to the world
meteorite dictionary, please email me other language
names for "meteorite" not listed on this page.  I will
cite the first person for each word or correct
phonetic pronouciation (from a dictionary please).
Thank you.

http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] Fw: 360* images again

[Jose Campos]

Hi Marcin,

The 360º frames of those meteorites in you site, are just great! I find Zag 
to be quite interesting when seen in this way.
Thanks for all the hard work involved into producing all the pics. and for 
sharing them with the List.

Regards,

José Campos
Portugal
PS - I forwarded your link to some friends and /relatives of mine in South 
Africa, as I am sure they will appreciate it.



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Hi
I keep spamming again :)
Tooday I have made some new rotating 360* photos
Bassikounou, NWA , MC045, Jilin, Canyon Diablo, Zag And its enough for 
me for some time.

I hope You like it. http://www.PolandMET.com
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[meteorite-list] Fw: News and Views in Peru

[Jose Campos]

yes, that's correct: caza = hunter;  cazameteoritos = meteorite hunter

José Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] News and Views in Peru



Sterling and All,

 Caza- chasers, hunters.

Dirk Ross...Tokyo


--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Hi, All,

Beyond the views of Randall Richard Daniels
Gregory
on Mike Farmer, it seems that others in Peru are not
happy
with him. Taking no sides, just the messenger,
folks.

Here's a Peruvian news article:





Here's a cleaned up machine translation:



---


[Headline]  They try to deal in pieces of the fallen
meteorite

[Subhead]  A group of Americans came with this
purpose
  to Carancas.

The president of the Geophysical Institute of
Peru (IGP),
Ronald Woodman, denounced the group of Americans
directed by Michael Farmer (famous searcher of
meteors in
the world) that tries to deal in remains of the
meteorite that
fell [down] in the locality of Carancas in the
middle of the
past September.

"They sneak in [literally, "glide"] to initiate
the excavations
to extract the remains at the border with Bolivia,
since the
meteorite fell [down] within one kilometer of the
border with
this country," Woodman declared.

It [is] recounted that the group of five North
Americans
have come to the place with the support of the
Police and that
seemingly the settlers [villagers] negotiated with
these "merchants
of meteorites."

Ronald Woodman said that the "cazameteoritos"
would be
taking advantage of the ignorance of the settlers on
the real
value of the objects. There are not many in the
world; they are
valuable pieces for museums and collectors, as noted
below.

The facts:

TRAFFIC. The citizen Michael Farmer sold a lunar
fragment
of approximately 1 kg found near to Agadir (Morocco)
for
1.5 million dollars



---


It would appear that entering the country from
Bolivia,
one mile away, with an international airport in
nearby LaPaz,
is inherently suspicious to some Peruvians.

There is an implication (but no direct
statement) that
"trafficing" in meteorites is a shady quasi-legal
affair, as there
is much emphasis on the fact that Mike buys and
sells them.
I wish I knew what "cazameteoritos" means but the
online
translator won't translate it (nor the word "caza"
either).
Meteorite traders? Meteorite peddlers? Meteorite
Con-men?


Sterling K. Webb


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[meteorite-list] Fw: More Peru News, Including Locationa and Trajectory of Peru Impact

[Jose Campos]

Hi Paul,

Many thanks for the interesting links on the Titicaca (Carrancas?) meteor 
fligh path.

Best wishes,
José Campos
Portugal

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of Peru Impact




Dear friends,

more about the Peru impact, including a figure showing the
location of the impact and presumed trajectory of the meteorite
can be found in:

Mysteries remain over Peru meteorite impact

by Jeff Hecht New Scientist, September 28, 2007

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/140757-Mysteries+remain+over+Peru+meteorite+impact

Inferred trajectory and location of impact shown at:

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/image/image/3376/dn12704-3_800.jpg

Wild theories about meteorite in Peru discounted
Globe and Mail, Canada Sep 26, 2007

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070926.wmeteor26/BNStory/Science/home

It came from space by Margaret Munro ,
CanWest News
Service, September 27, 2007

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story.html?id=965de176-30b8-4dcc-99c0-7afb84b996ad&k=40357

Yours,

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 18, 2007

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mike,

I see what you mean . No problems here.
We both read the same captation on the brasilian meteorite - with a 
different mind and culture. That's understandable.
However, both here in Portugal and in Brasil, we speak and write the SAME 
language - not as you said.
In fact, there is,  for many years, an oficial agreement between Portugal 
and Brasil on the rules for the portuguese language, regarding its writting, 
accents, etc.
But I think I know what you mean: It's more like, for instance the english 
spoken in, say, Australia, the UK or the USA.

But that is what makes any language richer.
Best wishes, melhores cumprimentos,
José Campos
Portugal





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18,2007




Hi " Spacerocksinc ", Anita and List:

Nice meteorite, nice picture! However, the captation should read:

Senhor , not Senór... and Fazenda, not Hacienda.
In Brasil, they speak/write Portuguese, not Spanish.

José Campos
Portugal


Senor and Hacienda are Spanish words that have made it into the
English Language.  Since the caption was written in English, I don't
see a problem with the usage, However, not too many English speakers
would know what a Fazenda is!

Of course technically speaking you are correct, and they do speak
Portuguese in Brazil, although not the same Portuguese they speak in
Portugal.

Sincerely,

Mike Fowler
Chicago
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 18, 2007

[Jose Campos]

Hi " Spacerocksinc ", Anita and List:

Nice meteorite, nice picture! However, the captation should read:

Senhor ,  not Senór...   and Fazenda,  not Hacienda.
In Brasil, they speak/write Portuguese, not Spanish.

José Campos
Portugal


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Wow! That sure is one showy little meteorite! I think it may be my 
favorite

of the whole year.
Anita

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http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_18_2007.html

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 8, 2007

[Jose Campos]

It is a fine, superb slice! Congratulations to Anne and to Impactica!
And thanks to Spacerocksinc  for sharing its photo with the List, as a 
"Space Pic of the Day" - a great choice!

José Campos

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[meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July

[Jose Campos]

Hi ,

I wish you all American members on this List, a very happy 4th of July.
We have been twice in the USA and me and my wife were always be made 
welcome, there.

Happy meteorite hunting!
God Bless America!

José Campos
Portugal

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Smithsonian Meteorites

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for sharing your interesting photos taken on your recent visit to the 
famous Smithsonian Museum in Washington.
Allan Hills 84001 martian meteorite must have been quite exciting to see 
before one's  eyes!
Surprisingly,  - as much as I can judge from your nice photos, -  their 
display does not indicate the weight of the meteorites.

Thanks once more.
José Campos
Portugal

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Happy Canada Day List!

Last week I enjoyed a wonderful time in Washington and was able to see 
many sites including the Lincoln Memorial, Arlington Cemetery, The Vietnam 
War memorial and many more.  On this trip we also saw the Luray Caverns 
and Gettysburg.


Of course, we also enjoyed some of the Smithsonian Museums.  This is a 
tremendous institution and I was so pleased to see that the displays are 
free to the public so all could enjoy these national treasures.  I am a 
firm believer that State and National Museums should be free so anyone can 
study and enjoy science and art treasures without having to pay for it. 
This is the same premise behind the public library system.  Last time I 
took my family to the Royal Ontario Museum we spent well over $100 
entrance fees!


I went to the Smithsonian web site and could not find any pictures from 
there meteorite collection so I thought I would share a few of mine.


here you will see some incredible meteorites including:

-A gorgeous flow marked Lafayette
-ALH84001!  Martian meteorite once thought to have fossilized life forms.
-Huge Paragould individual with a nice polished face.

Also shown is my friend Ernie touching a piece of Mars.  In the acrylic 
box is a slice of Nakla.  Ernie is a life long friend who was the 
principal of my grade school 40 years ago when I was in kindergarten.  We 
now love to travel together to study history and politics from different 
places.  I am looking forward to our trek along the Pilgrim's Trail this 
fall in Southern England.


Please enjoy these photos and if you want larger images just email me.

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn

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[meteorite-list] Fw: new confirmed fall in Spain - link with image

[Jose Campos]

The newspaper article (see link bellow), ) mentions that it might be an 
achondrite and that it was found by a german "professional" meteorite 
hunter,  Thomas Grau.


José Campos

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whatever it is, we now know its brecciated:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Hallados/fragmentos/meteorito/atraveso/Peninsula/mayo/elpepusoc/20070611elpepusoc_4/Tes

Svend



It seems we have a new confirmed meteorite fall in Spain. According to 
this
local press release from AGENCIA EFE, the fireball from May 10, 2007 
dropped

quite some material. The description speaks of a rare meteorite type with
“shiny” black crust which may indicate an eucrite.

Here is the source:

http://www.laflecha.net/canales/ciencia/noticias/encuentran-fragmentos-del-meteo
rito-que-atraveso-la-peninsula-el-10-de-mayo

Thanks for your interest.

Svend

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connection during that time.


The account on the Bassikounou meteorite fall is now online:
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Website

[Jose Campos]

Hello Patrick in Canada!
Welcome to the List! (although you have been "lurking" on this List for some 
2 yrs...)
Congratulations on your revamped website: I find it to be quite easy to "go 
thru"!

By the way, re. the Zinder pallasite on your site,  you mention:
Find 2004 in Niger -  but then you go on mentioning that: It was purchased 
in 2001 by a mineral collector...
Well, one of the dates is wrong, as obviously, it cannot be purchased before 
it was found! :)


On another note: Never mind about the Good, the Bad and the Ugly emails that 
sometimes we come across in this List,


but here is an idea to follow for List Members: What are your choices for 
the   GOOD,  the BAD  and theUGLY.  METEORITES?

 Here is my choice:  ESQUELADMIRE 
CHIANG KHAN



José Campos

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Website


Hello Listoids.
I have been a lurker on this list for some time. I enjoy the Good, the Bad
and the Ugly!

Now I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to The List. I
am a collector in Canada and I have been collecting meteorites for a few
years now. I try to focus on Pallasites, but I have been collecting whatever
comes my way.

Meteorites have turned from a hobby of mine into a real passion. I have been
out a few times to look for them, but Canada is not the best place in the
world for that. But I have recently been extremely lucky in the Glorieta
Mountain strewnfield.

Some of you might have already stumbled across my website - it has been up
for about two years now. I have been working feverishly for the past few
weeks on a complete revamp, bringing it up to date. If you are interested,
please check it out at:
www.pallasite.ca
Hopefully you will not find too many errors and omissions, but if you do,
please point them out to me! I would really appreciate it!

So, happy collecting to us all. Let the meteorites fall where they may. and
let's go get them!!!
See you all in Ensisheim!
Regards...,...
--
Patrick
www.pallasite.ca
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Micrographs: The Perfect Chondrule?

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mike, Ginny and List,

What  supperb polishing work! And such beautiful pictures! Indeed some 
"kick"! Many thanks for sharing them.

José Campos

- Original Message - 
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To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Micrographs: The Perfect Chondrule?



http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2037.html?theme=light

My wife, Ginny Phillips has submitted some meteorite
micrographs in the past that have been used (here &
here). I thought you might get a kick out of these. I
was surprised to see the level of interest and
knowledge in the Coast to Coast audience. A lot of
cool emails!

Way back at the beginning of time (at least for our
solar system) particles of space dust were forming in
tiny balls, these balls formed larger masses which
eventually combined to form planets. I think you could
say that was the short version of the story!

Any way, meteorite rock (most stone meteorites) is
made up of these hardened balls of dust called
chondrules. The type class is based on the condition
and abundance of these chondrules. Heat and shock
alteration has erased evidence of chondrules to some
degree in all meteorites. I like to look for
chondrules that stand out from their matrix as
different and look (at least visually) to be altered
very little.

These images are of two of these chondrules polished
to 1/4 micron and viewed in reflected light and in
their natural color. This may be as close as we can
get to actually look at the dust balls that eventually
built our planet.

--Tom Phillips
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery





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Re: [meteorite-list] Home (finally) and thanks.

[Jose Campos]

Hi Walter!

It's so nice to have you back on the List! Welcome back!
As for your wife, let me tell you that you have a brave wife! Besides, she 
kept all of us here on this List,  informed on you and on your ups and 
downs! So, now, keep UP with your excellent progress - and for now, you DO 
LISTEN TO HER! :)
There is a meteorite somewhere out there, waiting for a meeting with you in 
the near future - but for now, do give sometime to yourself and to your 
Family.

Best wishes to you, to Sabrina and to Rebecka.

José & Charmaine Campos
Cacém  - Portugal


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Home (finally) and thanks.



Hello Everyone

Well, where do I start.  I can't start at the beginning because I don't 
really remember much of it.  Suffice it to say that I am home now.  My 
recovery is nowhere complete as I need 2-3 more surgeries in a few months. 
I am ambulatory with the aid of a walker and I literally had to learn to 
walk, batch, lift, etc all over again.  I can walk a few feet unaided but 
I will have to curtail that activity a bit because I fell last night 
trying to change my shirt and the incident incurred the wrath of my wife!


I have four drainage bags either attached to or hanging from my abdomen. 
Yuck! I have other injuries as well which will take up to a year to heal.


Well enough about me.  Words cannot adequately express the sincere 
appreciation I have for your emails, donation of money and meteorites and 
general "hang-in-there" support

and encouragement.

I will try to answer individual emails as my tired body will allow.  I 
lost 25-30 lbs. while in the hospital and I get exhausted easily,  I have 
to rest now but I wanted you all to know how much I appreciate all you 
have done for me and my family.


-Walter Branch


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[meteorite-list] Fw: Greensburg hit with tornado

[Jose Campos]

We are sorry to hear about  the sad news. Our local press and TV also 
reported it.
We are hoping for the best for Greensburg and for its people, namely the 
members of this meteorite List who live there.

José and Charmaine Campos
Cacém - Portugal


- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg hit with tornado



On Sat, 05 May 2007 03:10:13 -0500, you wrote:


communication hard, but the storm has finally died down.  It had a rain
jacket all around it so it could not be seen well.


I saw this photo of it on a web site last night after you posted:

http://www.kotv.com/news/national/story/?id=126697



100's of rescue workers are on the scene. Injuries are unknown, at least 
50

are at area hosptials, no confirmed deaths, which is good and amazing in
itself, but it is very early.



At least 7 deaths reported so far this morning.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?

[Jose Campos]

Hi Charlie and Pete and List,

Thanks for your e-mails.
I am interested to find out if in fact, and without any doubts,  what they 
found in the excavation close to the Newport Tower, is in fact an 
iron-nickel meteorite. From the photos, it looks quite small! Would there be 
enough mass for a proper lab test??

José Campos


- Original Message - 
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To: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?



Jose,

I was the guy who visited the dig and sent the links to the list.  I'm
still trying to get an answer and will let you and the list know as soon
as I know.
Charlie








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[meteorite-list] Any news on the Newport Tower meteorite?

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,

Can anyone please let us know what happened to that iron-nickel small 
meteorite found with the help of a large magnet, at the excavation site near 
the Newport Tower, in October 2006 by some Research Foundation (I cannot 
remember their name)?

Has it been classified and catalogued yet?

Many thanks,
José Campos
Portugal
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Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea?

[Jose Campos]

Yes, I agree with Matteo's.

José Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions,any 
idea?




for what I seen its a classic Gabbro

Matteo

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Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal
inclusions, any idea?
Data : Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:51:25 +0200


Hi ALL,
some months ago I found a strange green-white rock, it's
about 55x35x20mm for about 60g.
It attracts the magnet like a LL6 meteorite, Bensour or
Benguerir.

Some days ago I cut this rock and inside I found some oval
white inclusions and a lot of magnetic metallic clast.

Here you can find some pictures:
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/outside.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/slice.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/metal.jpg

Any idea is welcome :-) !!

Regards

<><><><>
Francesco Moser
http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/
IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc


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[meteorite-list] Fw: Oh Boy- Here we go....

[Jose Campos]

Was any suspicious strong odour detected? Sulphur? Rotten eggs?? Any other???
Wast it found to be "red hot" or just "warm".. at body temperature?
Send it to a lab a.s.a.p.!


- Original Message - 
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To: mark ford ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go


Hi

It gets very confusing with all of the different NWA's, pairing etc

Now do we have a new subclass of NWA's??

Non Western Anus

Ed

mark ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  The best has to be ... wait for it ...'Shitcoated-Alin' 



  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
  Forbes
  Sent: 08 March 2007 07:49
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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go

  Aaaahh, ha ha ha haaa,

  If fossilised pooh is called coprolite, what do you call meteorite pooh,
  or 
  pooh that falls from the sky?
  I know, sh*tty subject.

  And to think that once upon a time, trains and planes used to just dump
  it 
  all in transit.
  I remember the signage, 'Passengers, do not use toilet at stations.'
  SPLAT 'Oh, crap.'



  > Fox news is just now reporting that a certain
  >foreign national was arrested at LAX airport with
  >wires hanging off of him.
  > Upon further investigation, they found a piece of
  >chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his "XXX".
  >As the suspect put it- "the rock is from another
  >planet" and was in there to protect him
  > OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-)
  >
  > -what will be the official name of the location
  >found?
  > -what lab will(want?)do an analysis on it?
  > -how long until it winds up on eBay?
  > -will it replace the current urgent need for Gao
  >pieces?
  >
  > I needed a grin tonight- this was it.
  >Take care
  >Mike
  >
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Re: [meteorite-list] TLE 2007

[Jose Campos]

Hello Thomas,
Thanks for sharing the very nice pictures. Here in Cacém, some 19 kms NW of 
Lisbon,  we had a nice view of the eclipse, although there were some thin, 
high cirrus passing by, now and then. Local TV stations also showed this 
eclipse.
I recall seeing one eclipse from northern Natal, Zululand, South Africa, 
that was so dark that the Moon almost became invisible - the view was 
affected by Mount Pinatubo's  ash particles into our atmosphere - also, 
there were local "veld" fires. I think it was December 1992.

José Campos

- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas Tuchan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] TLE 2007


Hello :-)

The complete total lunar eclipse is now online :

http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de/mofi07-1.htm

http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de/scratch/Mosaik.jpg

Thomas

New Millenium Observatory
Der Sternhimmel über Ulm
http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning tohunters that may be considering...

[Jose Campos]

Mr. R. Gergory: What is this? You have sent an unecessary and uncalled for  
e-mail to the ENTIRE Meteorite List Members, with what it seems to be a veiled 
threat? Is this what you mean? Please explain us better.
That you may have full rights, etc. on that peruvian crater, one can accept it, 
and I certainly do accept it, but on a more careful reading, it  can be 
considered  that you might have gone a bit too far with some of your wording, 
although the heading calls it a "friendly warning"...
You should have realized that NOT everybody on this List is interested in, to 
quote you:  "...even think about it".  Save the peruvian details to yourself 
and to those who, once caught there,  might deserve it, but remember that it 
will be up to the Peruvian authorities to apply the law.
I wish you a good, successful  hunting on your peruvian crater.

José Campos
Portugal


- Original Message - 
From: Randall Gregory 
To: meteorite List 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:44 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning 
tohunters that may be considering...


Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database 
that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have 
been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down.  If 
anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss.

Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to 
understand that
I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining 
concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It 
is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending 
I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this 
crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study 
it in detail.

Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it 
concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails 
would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your 
sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of 
chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have 
to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee 
you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and 
I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your 
attempts to contact the American embassy.

There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite 
hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to  6 months 
income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and 
vigilant.  The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody 
and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been 
notified by my Peruvian attorney.

My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the 
crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been 
completed.

Randall



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[meteorite-list] Fw: zacataces

[Jose Campos]

Hi Chicagoan Steve Arnold,

I think that might be a "namewrong" for a "meteorwrong", or some pong...  :)
Perhaps you mean ZACATECAS?
José Campos

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] zacataces


> Hi list.I just wanted to share with you all my soon to
> be new iron to my collection.A 390 gram slice of
> ZACATACES,MEXICO.Another pic will follow later,but for
> now this can be seen on my website under my iron
> page.Let me know what you think and please sign my
> guest book.
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>
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>
>
> steve
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mark and Bernd, (thru the List):
Thanks for all the info, references and pics received on the Old Woman 
meteorite. You are a mine of interesting information.
Again, obrigado.
José Campos
Portugal

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite


> The finders were David Friburg, Mike Jendruczak and Hack Harwood.
>
> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znp06191977.html
>
> "And there was no reward for them??"
>
> The Smithsonian did offer them a reward, but it was far less then the $1
> million they wanted.  The finders took the position it was a million or
> nothingand got nothing.
>
> I have at least 100 Old Woman NPA's in my archive, of which only a few are
> listed here:
>
> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpoldwoman.html
>
> Clear Skies,
> Mark
>
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[meteorite-list] Fw: the lunar meeorite from morocco

[Jose Campos]

OK... now don't you List, dare to start an "argument" on this one...:)

PS -I am not sure about that meteorite, but IF he happens to be Mother 
Teresa of Calcutta, we are all in big trouble...:) :) :)
Simile Mateo, smile!
José Campos

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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco


and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of
Calcutta

Matteo

--- adrar fossile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:

> there all members of list .
>
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>   so in the link below are some wonder  pieces if
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>
>
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>   good health to all list ,
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Re: [meteorite-list] real men & meteorites

[Jose Campos]

Hi Bernd, Martin and Jerry - and List:

Many thanks for all the info and references on the Old Woman meteorite.
Anyone knows who were the 3 gold prospectors? And there was no reward for 
them??
Does it means that the Smithsonian Institute of Washington has full rights 
over any meteorite that falls, or is found on federal land all over the 
entire USA?
The info mentions that "...The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up 
a dry wash between two mountain slopes".
Could it be that it probably fell somwhere further up and that  it run 
downwards until it became wedged among boulders?
Was this the only mass found in the area?
José



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Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] real men & meteorites


Hello José, Martin, List:


OLD WOMAN METEORITE (Sky & Telescope, Vol. 54-3, Sep 1997, p. 192):

A three-ton meteorite recently discovered in the Old Woman Mountains of 
California is the
second largest ever found in the United States, outranked only by the 16-ton 
Willamette,
Oregon, meteorite known since 1902. The Old Woman fall is a mass of 
nickel-iron weighing
6,080 pounds (2,758 kilograms) and measuring 4-by-3-by-21/2 feet 
(1.2-by-0.9-by-0.8 meters),
according to newspaper accounts. It fell, presumably several centuries ago, 
in an inaccessible
desert area 170 miles east of Los Angeles.  There it was spotted in March, 
1976, by three gold
prospectors. They sent chips to the Griffith Observatory and the University 
of California at Los
Angeles, where the meteoritic nature of the object was confirmed. Word of 
the discovery reached
Roy S. Clarke, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution in 
Washington, D.C. The U.S.
Bureau of Land Management determined that the find had been made on federal 
land, and gave
possession of the meteorite to the Smithsonian. The nickel-iron mass lay 
wedged among boulders
up a dry wash between two mountain slopes.  On June 17th, the meteorite was 
airlifted from this
spot by U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, which carried it seven miles to the 
nearest road. Until the
end of June, the Old Woman meteorite was on public display at Riverside, 
California, and then it
was sent to the Smithsonian Institution for scientific study.

FUTRELL D.S.(1998) My visit with the Old Woman (Meteorite!, Feb 98, Vol. 
4-1, pp. 34-35).
NORTON O.R. (1994) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space I,  1994, 
pp.252-255).
NORTON O.R. (1998) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space II, 1994, 
pp.252-255, 214).


Best regards,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] real men & meteorites

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Hi Martin,

Many thanks for your info. 2753 kg! It's quite some "rock"...
José Campos


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Hi Jose,

seems the list isn't accessible form e at the moment.
It's

Old Woman,
California
2753kg
IIB
Found 1976

Martininho

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Hi Jerry and List,

That's a verey curious photograph. Can anyone please elucidate me what
meteorite is this? And what's its weight?
Thanks in advance.
José Campos
Portugal

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> That's me in the back with the cap on.
> Jerry Flaherty
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>> http://www.goldprospectors.org/magazine/archive_images/meteorite.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] real men & meteorites

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Hi Jerry and List,

That's a verey curious photograph. Can anyone please elucidate me what 
meteorite is this? And what's its weight?
Thanks in advance.
José Campos
Portugal

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Re: [meteorite-list] Iris Lang

[Jose Campos]

Geoff Notkin,

These are sad news. I only know Iris and her husband from this List. 
However, please convey to Iris Lang and her husband our best wishes for a 
speedy and full recovery. I would like to see them both, back and active on 
the List.
Charmaine and José Campos
Portugal


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Iris Lang


> Dear Listees:
>
> I have the unhappy duty of informing you that our friend and colleague
> Iris Lang has suffered a heart attack. She is convalescing in Florida
> where she has friends and family nearby. Her doctors believe the
> episode was the result of an existing condition aggravated by stress
> related to recent events.
>
> I'm sure you will all want to join me in wishing her a full and speedy
> recovery. Anyone who would like to send a card or flowers, please
> contact me off-List and I will provide you with her mailing address in
> Florida.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Geoff N.
> Aerolite Meteorites
> Tucson, AZ
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Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter

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Hi Sabrina,
We are glad to hear such good news and we wish Walter a good, speedy 
recovery.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
José and Charmaine Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:48 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter


> Hello Everyone,
>
> First, let me thank you for all of the e-mails.  I have been printing them
> out so that Walter can see them when he is better.  I just returned from 
> the
> hospital.  Walter had a tracheotomy today.  He is still on the ventilator 
> so
> he will not be able to talk but at least he will be able to form words
> better so maybe I can understand him easier.  His kidney functioning is 
> just
> a tad better than yesterday. For those of you who know the terms, his
> creatnine level went from 3.5 to 2.9.  We want it to be 1.5 or lower.  The
> chest tube was removed yesterday and the cervical collar was removed this
> morning.  He is able to move better now.  He is still very sedated due to
> agitation and pain.  On Monday, I did get to talk to him and he could nod
> "yes" and "no".  I told him that I was e-mailing all of you and he nodded
> that he understood.  As he gets better I am sure he will tell me or 
> indicate
> what I should tell you but for now I just wanted him to know how many 
> people
> are thinking and praying for him.
>
> Rebekah went to the pediatrician yesterday and got a clean bill of health.
> She goes to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to check the pelvic fracture.
> She is moving around so well she tires herself out before she realizes.
>
> Please continue to keep us in your thoughts and prayers.  I know that is
> what is making the difference in Walter's still being alive and in his
> recovery.
>
> Thank you for all that you have done!
> Sabrina Branch
> 
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch

[Jose Campos]

Hello Sabrina,

We are very sorry to hear the sad news about Walter and your daughter.
This is a time in a life when you have to be mentaly extra strong! We pray 
for Walter and  Rebekah's good recovery.
Plse keep us and the List informed on their progress.

José and Charmaine Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch


> Hello,
>
> I am Walter Branch's wife, Sabrina.  On Friday, Walter and our daughter 
> were
> in an accident.  Walter is in critical condition in Trauma ICU.  He has
> numerous internal injuries including 5 broken ribs, a punctured lung, a
> bruised lung, a ruptured diaphragm (repaired Friday night), his kidneys 
> are
> not functioning as they should, his spleen was removed, and he had a
> compound fracture of the right femur.
>
> He is under heavy sedation due to agitation, but when they back off the
> sedation, he is alert and in a great deal of pain.  He is on minimum life
> support at the moment.
>
> When I saw him yesterday, I asked him if I should let all of you know and 
> he
> nodded yes.  Please keep us in your prayers.  Our daughter is home from 
> the
> hospital with a concussion, whip lash, and a fractured pelvis.
>
> If Walter had an on-going transaction with you, please be patient.  As 
> soon
> as he is able to tell me what to do, I will try to do what I can.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sabrina Branch
> 
>
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo

[Jose Campos]

Hey Doug,
Thats quite some rock you are holding in that picture! Thank you to you and 
to all at Chladni's Heir's there,  for sharing it with us.
Enjoy your 2007 Tucson Show, I wish I coukd be there!
José Campos
Portugal

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Green MOON OVER TUCSON-photo


> Hello List, with such a brilliant moon above us these evenings, Tucson
> a.k.a., "The Old Pueblo" is the METEORITICALLY ENDOWED city to be,
> which such a tradition of attracting the most fabulous planetary
> specimens every February.  This year is no exception!
>
> Please enjoy the follow photo from Tucson today at this link - but
> there is no substitute for seeing in up and close in person:
> http://www.diogenite.com/luna606.jpg
>
> For those not so fortunate to peruse the fantastic selection in the
> dealers' hotel rooms, I wanted to pass along this picture which I feel
> on top of the world to have been fortunate to get thanks to the very
> gracious group in Chladni´s Heir´s (room 334 on the second floor of the
> InnSuites Hotel 2nd floor).
>
> In it you can see me grinning like possum holding the 606 GRAM BIG
> GREEN REGMAGLYPTED LUNAR NWA 3163/4483.  Like in years before when Bob
> Haag was so kind to let me hold his Calcalong Creek and Mike his Holy
> Grail (Sadly I missed Greg´s main mass an Tucson last year), this year
> I must extend my congratulations to Stefan, Martin and Andi for a
> mind-bogglingly attractive new recovery of this lunar beauty.
>
> The weather is a bit nippy in the evenings and has drizzled a bit
> during the last two days, but we look forward to a warm and Sunny
> weekend.
>
> Rubbing elbows with the grande dame of meteoritika, the editor of
> Meteorite Magazine, the TV stars, and all of the famous meteorite
> hunting desert vacuum cleaners, stone cutter and iron sculpters, Rusty
> Bill and the Russians who have made it against all odds, and the many
> Moroccan friends - we are fortunate to have, Best health,
> Doug
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Namibia: So Much Potential But Not EnoughFunds (Hoba Meteorite)

[Jose Campos]

Hi Sterling and List,

The first europeans to sail along the coast of present day Namibia, was the 
portuguese sea navigator Diogo Cam in 1483; he erected on the coast a 
padrão (a limestone column with the portuguese coat of arms and an engraved 
inscription and a small cross on top). In fact, on another trip further 
south, he erected another one, I think in 1485. One of these padrão has been 
kept in a german museum for quite a number of years. Next, was Bartolomeu 
Dias, who also placed aonother padrão at Dias Point, he went on sailing much 
further down the east african coast and rounding the Cape to which then, he 
called it the Cape of  Storms, but on his return voyage back to Lisbon, King 
Dom João II of Portugal changed the name to Cape of Good Hope, as it is know 
to this day. The Namibian coast (previously South West Africa), become known 
as the Skeleton Coast because of the many shipwrecks that happened on that 
feared stretch of coast land, with  sandbanks, dangerous currents and fog. 
In those days of sea discovery, there were no known maps and they knew 
nothing about winds and sea currents. No GPS either! :)

NAMIBIA has, I think, 13 know meteorites, the most famous ones are the HOBA 
~60 Tons and the GIBEON (several large masses) of which I have seen the 880 
kg one (among others), at the South African Museum, Cape Town  in 1982.
José Campos
Portugal


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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:28 PM
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(Hoba Meteorite)


> Hi, Dave, List,
>
>Somebody's doing some good PR for Namibia.
> Take the name "Namibia." If you look at the nice
> Wikipedia article on Namibia, the facts are all there:
> one of the lowest population densities in the world,
> one of the most rain-deprived countries in the world
> (like none), one of the least blessed by economic
> resources, a sad history, and so forth. But nowhere
> in the article will you find the name that "Namibia"
> went by for centuries: THE SKELETON COAST.
>
>Getting people to stop calling you "The Skeleton
> Coast" is a good job of PR. There's just something
> about the name "The Skeleton Coast" that puts people
> off, don't you think?
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---
> - Original Message - 
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> To: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Namibia: So Much Potential But Not Enough
> Funds (Hoba Meteorite)
>
>
> Sounds like a great tourist destination, a big rock, alcoholics and drug
> addicts, crime, town in debt up to their ears, danger of electricity amd
> water being turned off, high unemployment, and a large military presence.
> Well pack my bags!
> Poorly thought out release by Mr. Kangueehi, maybe the spoof and phish
> people will move to Namibia for the new center of commerce.
> Dave F.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Microbe Experiment Suggests We Could All BeMartians

[Jose Campos]

Hi Rob,

The REAL PROBLEM is that, the probability to find INTELLIGENT Life on Earth, 
so far,  is...0%   :)

José Campos

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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Microbe Experiment Suggests We Could All 
BeMartians


I cannot help but wonder whether there is something
deeply ingrained in the human psyche which requires us
to believe there is life out there. This is a very
clever and compelling theory but ignores the effects
of millions of years in space subject to cosmic rays,
solar flares and so on.

Why is it so difficult to believe that life actually
started here? Even if it did start on mars, the
questions why and how still remain. I can imagine the
headlines, "HUGE SHOCK! LIFE FOUND ON EARTH"

Intelligent??

RMcC
--- Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article/0,,1989474,00.html
>
> Microbe experiment suggests we could all be Martians
> Ian Sample
> The Guardian (United Kingdom)
> January 13, 2007
>
> Life on Earth may have announced its arrival
> billions of years ago with
> a whistle and a thump, according to planetary
> scientists.
>
> Experiments by an international team of researchers
> back a controversial
> theory that life flourished on Earth after primitive
> organisms arrived
> aboard a meteorite, itself gouged from Mars by a
> giant impact.
>
> The theory supposes that life was able to gain a
> tentative foothold on
> the red planet as it cooled down and became more
> hospitable several
> billion years ago. At the time, the planet's surface
> was regularly
> bombarded with rocky detritus from the asteroid
> belt, knocking clumps of
> rock and the microbes living on them into space,
> where the gravity of
> the sun brought them hurtling towards Earth.
>
> Charles Cockell, at the Open University, who studies
> microbes in extreme
> environments, joined a team of German and Russian
> scientists to test
> whether microbes could survive the enormous shock of
> being blasted into
> space and crash landing on another planet.
>
> They gathered colonies of micro-organisms including
> cyanobacteria, which
> live in rocky fissures, lichen, which smother their
> surfaces, and spores
> of the hardy bacterium Bacillus subtilis, and
> sandwiched them between
> slices of gabbro, a coarse-grained rock similar to
> that known to make up
> Martian meteorites.
>
> The researchers then used high explosives to fire a
> steel plate at the
> sandwiched organisms and after each shot transferred
> the microbes to a
> dish to see if any had survived. The shocks were
> equivalent to those
> suffered by Martian meteorites that have been found
> on Earth, with
> pressures of up to 50 billion pascals. One pascal is
> equivalent to the
> pressure exerted by a £5 note resting on a surface.
> The pressure in a
> car tyre is equivalent to 200,000 pascals.
>
> To their surprise, the scientists found the lichen
> and bacterial spores
> survived all but the most cataclysmic impacts up to
> 45 billion pascals.
> The cyanobacteria survived shocks of up to 10
> billion pascals.
>
> The findings support the theory of
> "lithopanspermia", which suggests
> life may be spread from one planet to another aboard
> lumps of rock that
> are knocked off the surface.
>
> Writing in the journal Icarus, the scientists state:
> "These results
> strongly confirm the possibility of a 'direct
> transfer' scenario of
> 'lithopanspermia' for the route from Mars to Earth,
> or from any
> Mars-like planet to other habitable planets in the
> same stellar system."
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Comet McNaught report from the Rhein-Main Area

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,
Also from "sunny Portugal" - after almost  3 weeks of glorious sunshine, 
TODAY  Sunday 14th Jan007 the sky was...overcast!!
So, I could not see the Daylight Comet shining as a - 5 magnitude object! I 
had to content with SOHO pics...
José Campos
Cacém, Portugal


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> Hello Cometaries,
>
> Well, we finally had a sunny Sunday and a beautiful sunset to look forward
> to after several days of rain and drizzle. I drove out into the fields 
> where
> I was able to enjoy an unobstructed view of the western sky but my efforts
> to locate and observe McNaught came to naught. Mr McNaught was n a u g h t
> seen ... too close to the horizon, too close to the Sun :-((
>
> Bernd
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[meteorite-list] Fw: some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall

[Jose Campos]

RE: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Colorado fallHi 
Robert Matson,

You have stated the issue quite clearly! Certainly, the video alone is a good 
evidence against it being a meteor. 

I recall the wide publicity all over, given to SKYLAB re-entry in 1979. At that 
time, South Africa was listed by tle local news media, as a possible "target" 
and that generated some worries among some members of the public. A colleague 
of mine, Andrew Gray (A.S.S.A. Natal Centre), received quite a few phone calls 
from worried members of the public, among them, an old lady from Durban, who 
lived alone with her pet, wanted to know  where would be the safest place for 
her to go, because she was worried about her cat...
Anyway, the space debris of SKYLAB fell over the Indian Ocean and some fell 
over Australia. Re-entries of this magnitude are indeed very rare.

José Campos
Portugal

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To: Alexander Seidel ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] some Japanese researchers question US Coloradofall


Hi Alex and List,

Yep, out here -- just working a program offsite so don't have as easy
access to my e-mail.  Marco already did an excellent job forwarding
the precise info for this rocket body reentry -- there is zero chance
this was anything else.  The video alone is ample evidence against it
being a meteor.  Velocity, velocity, velocity -- it tells you every
time.

Like Alex, I would love to have seen this in person.  And as for
"packing bags", why not?  Space junk reentries are MUCH MUCH
rarer than meteorite-producing meteors!

Dirk opined:

> If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV
> or what your government tells you, then you can state
> what you have stated.  Both events will be confirmed
> within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to
> hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but
> they may be proven later to be fact.

Can't yet speak to the New Jersey iron-bearing specimen, but you
can certainly consider the Soyuz reentry to be FACT.  I've got
the satellite tracking code and data to prove it -- no need to
rely on news outlets (which I would never trust to get a developing
space/astronomy/science story correct).

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado

[Jose Campos]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your e-mail. I fully agree with what you say.
The updated ground path of the re-entering debris of the 2nd satage of the 
russian Soyuz SL-4 rocket on your site is most interesting.
as well as, the video and the picture of this event caught by the camera at 
Claudbait Observatory.. May I suggest that on the map of the ground path you 
also plot the position of the  Observatory? All the best for 2007.
José Campos

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Hi José-

There's no doubt that the vast majority of meteors last at most a few
seconds. But there is a class of fireballs which are usually seen in the
early evening, produced by low eccentricity prograde bodies. When these
bodies enter at a shallow angle, they can produce fireballs that are
seen for a good fraction of a minute, or even longer. Fireballs like
this, while rare, are still more common than reentering space junk
(especially large junk like the recent rocket body). So while it's
certainly true that reentering space junk is slow compared with the
average meteor, it isn't much slower than the average shallow fireball
witnessed over a wide area.

I think it would be very unusual for space junk to be seen for much
longer than a minute by any one observer (although a three minute path
is certainly possible, as it is also for a natural meteor). A piece of
debris with a three minute incandescent path will be quite high, and not
experiencing very high drag forces. It will have a path length of about
1200 km. That is too long for a single observer to see the entire thing.
It may burn for three minutes, but few are in a position to see all of
it.

When I saw the video for the Colorado event, I immediately thought
"reentry". The low speed was certainly a part of this, but the primary
indicator for me was the exact nature of the breakup. Even very fragile
meteoroids don't show the same degree of fragmentation this did. That's
not surprising, considering that any meteoroid is likely to be much more
homogeneous than a 10 meter long collection of sheet metal, pipes, nuts
and bolts! It was breaking into hundreds, maybe thousands of individual
fragments- something I've never seen in any natural fireball caught on
video.

Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in
Colorado


> Hi Chris,
>
> When I say "more than a few seconds" for fireballs, I do mean less
> than a
> minute, as IN COMPARISSON  to man made space debris; Of course, there
> are
> fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the
> one
> that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is
> possible to last this long.
> Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way
> these
> are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors
> we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky.
>
> Luminous trails produced by man made space "junk", are notoriously,
> SLOW
> moving objects - as compared to the average meteor.
> The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at
> least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only  seconds (in this
> instance, by
> "seconds", I mean less than 1 min.).  Most visual observers, with some
> experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on
> the
> 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even
> from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed.
> José Campos
> PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its
> now
> 01h15 AM.

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado

[Jose Campos]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado


> Hi Chris,
>
> When I say "more than a few seconds" for fireballs, I do mean less than a 
> minute, as IN COMPARISSON  to man made space debris; Of course, there are 
> fireballs that last some 30s or so - I have seen a few of them - the one 
> that you claim to have lasted 45s is most unsual, but certainly it is 
> possible to last this long.
> Yes, the minimum speed for a meteor is about 11 km/s - that's way these 
> are called slow meteors, - but by far, the vast majority of meteors
> we see, are much faster, namely in the early morning sky.
>
> Luminous trails produced by man made space "junk", are notoriously, SLOW 
> moving objects - as compared to the average meteor.
> The time duration of their visibility is on ther order of a minute at 
> least, more often 2 or 3 minutes - not only  seconds (in this instance, by 
> "seconds", I mean less than 1 min.).  Most visual observers, with some 
> experience, would say that the event seen in the sky in Colorado on the 
> 4th of this month, was made not by meteors, but by space debris - even 
> from a video such as the one shown, running at its normal speed.
> José Campos
> PS- Good night to all, on that side of the word - here in Portugal its now 
> 01h15 AM.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
>
>
> Hi José-
>
> Fireballs can certainly be visible for more than a few seconds. This
> one: http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20061001.html was visible
> for at least 45 seconds. I've recorded several others that were at least
> 15 seconds long. People under the central part of the Peekskill path saw
> it for about 30 seconds. The Grand Teton fireball was about 30 seconds.
> Tagish Lake produced a fireball at least 15 seconds long.
>
> Reentering space debris is not necessarily traveling at a much lower
> speed than natural meteors. An object decaying from low Earth orbit
> (which would seem to describe all space junk) has a speed of about 8
> km/s, and a slow meteor has a speed of about 11 km/s. Of course, most
> meteors will be faster (up to 71 km/s), but the famous slow fireballs
> have very similar characteristics to decaying space junk- low speed and
> shallow entry angles- and may similarly be seen for many seconds.
>
> Chris
>
> *
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> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in
> Colorado
>
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> By space debris, I meant several  pieces of a MAN MADE spacecraft,
> desintegrating thru the Earth's atmosphere.
> Sorry about the confusion.
> As regarding time, a meteor's visibility  lasts only a few seconds,
> whereas
> for man made space debris, as it travells at  a much slower speed, it's
> burning trail  becomes visible  for a few minutes. The video shown on
> CNN is
> quite spectacular.
> I have seen a similar event, some 20 yrs ago (?), at night, over the
> Indian
> Ocean, when I was walking with friends on the beac front in Durban,
> South
> Africa. This event was seen by many people. The next day, it was
> reported on
> south african newspapers and TV.
>
> The visibility of a  meteor, even a -14 mag  fireball, (that is as
> bright as
> the full moon),  will not last longer than a few seconds, at most.
> José Campos
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Re: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5

[Jose Campos]

Here is my vote: Meteorwrong!

José Campos

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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update Jan 5


> We have so far:
>
> Meteorite - 3
> Meteorwrong - 8
> Brushed up nantan/other - 3
> Betean Fuel rod - 1
> Abstain - 5
>
>
> Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote.
>
> -mt
> IMCA 2760
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado

[Jose Campos]

Hi Gary,

By space debris, I meant several  pieces of a MAN MADE spacecraft, 
desintegrating thru the Earth's atmosphere.
Sorry about the confusion.
As regarding time, a meteor's visibility  lasts only a few seconds, whereas 
for man made space debris, as it travells at  a much slower speed, it's 
burning trail  becomes visible  for a few minutes. The video shown on CNN is 
quite spectacular.
I have seen a similar event, some 20 yrs ago (?), at night, over the Indian 
Ocean, when I was walking with friends on the beac front in Durban, South 
Africa. This event was seen by many people. The next day, it was reported on 
south african newspapers and TV.

The visibility of a  meteor, even a -14 mag  fireball, (that is as bright as 
the full moon),  will not last longer than a few seconds, at most.
José Campos

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To: 
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado


I'm confused by your post.  What do you mean by 'space debris'?  If the time 
was too
short for space debris and it was also not a meteoroid then what are you 
suggesting?

Befuddled Gary

On 4 Jan 2007 at 23:21, Jose Campos wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It was no meteor.
> The article written by Laura Bailey (Jan 4 2007) for THE COLORADOAN,
> mentions that onlookers reported that it could be seen for about 30 
> seconds.
> That is too short a time for space debris, unless if it was seen at a low
> altitude in relation to the horizon, or if it was due to some partial sky
> obstruction (clouds, trees, buildings). Usually, this kind of display 
> lasts
> for some 2 to 3 minutes or even slightly longer..
> José Campos
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marco Langbroek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado
>
>
> >> Dear Ron and List,
> >> Thank you Ron and all of the posters on this fall.
> >> This is a case where people had better have their
> >> geiger counters along. As Ron and others may have
> >> found out it may contain some radioactive material.
> >> Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo
> >
> > Not likely you need a geiger counter. It is a normal Soyuz rocket stage.
> >
> > Place, track and time closely coincide with the predicted re-entry of a
> > stage of
> > the Soyuz rocket (06-063B, #29679) used to launch the French COROT space
> > telescope on December 27th from Baikonur. The sighting is only a few
> > minutes
> > later than the nominal predicted decay time, and at the correct 
> > geographic
> > location and direction of movement from the last know orbit for this
> > object.
> >
> > The slow movement on the video (assuming the video was real speed)
> > corroborates
> > it was this decay rather than a meteor.
> >
> > - Marco
> >
> > -
> > Dr Marco Langbroek
> > Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)
> >
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > website: http://www.dmsweb.org
> > priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek
> > -
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,

I fully agree with Marco Langbroek's comments. It was no meteor.
The article written by Laura Bailey (Jan 4 2007) for THE COLORADOAN, 
mentions that onlookers reported that it could be seen for about 30 seconds. 
That is too short a time for space debris, unless if it was seen at a low 
altitude in relation to the horizon, or if it was due to some partial sky 
obstruction (clouds, trees, buildings). Usually, this kind of display lasts 
for some 2 to 3 minutes or even slightly longer..
José Campos

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To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors Light Up Morning Sky in Colorado


>> Dear Ron and List,
>> Thank you Ron and all of the posters on this fall.
>> This is a case where people had better have their
>> geiger counters along. As Ron and others may have
>> found out it may contain some radioactive material.
>> Best, Dirk Ross..Tokyo
>
> Not likely you need a geiger counter. It is a normal Soyuz rocket stage.
>
> Place, track and time closely coincide with the predicted re-entry of a 
> stage of
> the Soyuz rocket (06-063B, #29679) used to launch the French COROT space
> telescope on December 27th from Baikonur. The sighting is only a few 
> minutes
> later than the nominal predicted decay time, and at the correct geographic
> location and direction of movement from the last know orbit for this 
> object.
>
> The slow movement on the video (assuming the video was real speed) 
> corroborates
> it was this decay rather than a meteor.
>
> - Marco
>
> -
> Dr Marco Langbroek
> Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> website: http://www.dmsweb.org
> priv. website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek
> -
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[meteorite-list] Happy New 2007!

[Jose Campos]

Hello List,
Portugal is only 30 minutes from entering into 2007!
We wish you ALL a Happy, Succesfull  New Year and may a nice meteorite fall 
on your backyard!
José and Charmaine Campos
Portugal


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[meteorite-list] Fw: Merry Christmas

[Jose Campos]

To ALL on the List:
A Merry Christmas, FELIZ NATAL and a Happy New Orbit!
José Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Merry Christmas


> Merry Christmas and a very happy new year 2007 to all of you!
>
> All the best,
> Stefan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day -December14, 2006

[Jose Campos]

Yes, and after all, they are  listed in the Meteorite CAT-alog  (american, 
I think), or CAT-alogue (english )..or CAT-álogo (Portuguese )!
Meow!
José Campos
Portugal

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Day -December14, 2006



--- Matthias Bärmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Even a "Cat Mountain" meteorite exists:
>
> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/SIC/arizona_meteorites/popups/cat_mtn.html
>
> Mououwwwouwwwouooo ! (sound of a lunatic cat, don't
> know whether a monomeouw or a polymeouw one)


Maybe we could also add:

CAT-herwood

De-CAT-urville

Ma-CAT-uba

Nor-CAT-eur

Puente del Za-CAT-e

Santa CAT-harina

Wild-CAT Peak

and both Za-CAT-ecas

Meow!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed

[Jose Campos]

Dave,
I appreciate your high degree of precision... and your vast knowledge of my 
country of birth...:)

The Macua (or Makua for english speaking people), are the largest etnic 
group of Mozambique, 5 million of them, nice, friendly people,
out of a grandtotal  population of 19.406.000 (2005). Besides their own 
language Macua, they speak Portuguese as well.
The Macua live mainly in  3 of Mozambique's provinces: Cabo Delgado, Nampula 
(where I was born), and Zambezia,  some 258.800 sq Kms in round numbers.
May a nice meteorite fall in your backyard...
Best wishes,
José Campos
Portugal

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To: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" 

Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed


> Coordinates appear to be 14° 55' 20S / 37° 51' 56E
>
> Dave
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jose Campos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
>
>
> Hi Mateo and List,
>
> It also seems to me, that on the photo shown by Mateo,  the" E. Africa"
> stands for East Africa:
>
> I was born in Mozambique in 1945 - what was  known as Portuguese East
> Africa - until its independence from Portugal  in 1975.
> For the Macua tribe (who live in north of Mozambique, the same region 
> where
> I was born), the word MUANA means child, kid,
> and also, there is vaguely, an area  known as "terras de muana" (lands of
> muana), -  but I do not know its coordinates.
> Could this area in northern Mozambique be related to the meteorite shown 
> in
> the photo?
>
> José Campos
> Portugal
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "MexicoDoug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
>
>
>> Hi Bernd,
>>
>> A treatment with Babelfish at www.altavista.com tells us that "Poglica" 
>> is
>> a
>> word with a complex indoeuropean etymology, including most closely from
>> Slavic.  Apparently it most recently means "button", and earlier was
>> derived
>> from roundish things like goiter and roundish ball.
>>
>> Interesting observation on the "E" for East Africa.  Apparently "Muana" 
>> is
>> also a Congolese surname (Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivoire) and Camaroon were
>> also
>> mentioned).
>>
>> It doesn't look much like an Ivory Coast tektite, but that's what I dug
>> out
>> of the Internet and probably is more than a coincidence for the locality.
>> Might check into the e. African "Galim" locality meteorites from place
>> name
>> "Adamoua", Cameroon.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Info needed
>>
>>
>>> Muana Poglica: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6839/muanaan2.jpg
>>>
>>> As for the "Muana Poglica", the label says E(ast) Africa not S(outh)
>>> Africa,
>>> although this doesn't help much. I did a Google search and found the
>>> second
>>> part of the word "Poglica" but the texts are written with Cyrillic
>>> letters.
>>> Maybe Sergey can help here.
>>>
>>>
>>> in another museum I have found this meteorite without any info, the 
>>> crust
>>> is
>>> complete and fresh, and the face broken show this matrix green color 
>>> with
>>> metal and grey chondrules:
>>> http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6710/1mu1.jpg
>>>
>>> Hello, Holbrook experts out there. Could that be a fresh Holbrook???
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mateo and List,

It also seems to me, that on the photo shown by Mateo,  the" E. Africa" 
stands for East Africa:

I was born in Mozambique in 1945 - what was  known as Portuguese East 
Africa - until its independence from Portugal  in 1975.
For the Macua tribe (who live in north of Mozambique, the same region where 
I was born), the word MUANA means child, kid,
and also, there is vaguely, an area  known as "terras de muana" (lands of 
muana), -  but I do not know its coordinates.
Could this area in northern Mozambique be related to the meteorite shown in 
the photo?

José Campos
Portugal


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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed


> Hi Bernd,
>
> A treatment with Babelfish at www.altavista.com tells us that "Poglica" is 
> a
> word with a complex indoeuropean etymology, including most closely from
> Slavic.  Apparently it most recently means "button", and earlier was 
> derived
> from roundish things like goiter and roundish ball.
>
> Interesting observation on the "E" for East Africa.  Apparently "Muana" is
> also a Congolese surname (Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivoire) and Camaroon were 
> also
> mentioned).
>
> It doesn't look much like an Ivory Coast tektite, but that's what I dug 
> out
> of the Internet and probably is more than a coincidence for the locality.
> Might check into the e. African "Galim" locality meteorites from place 
> name
> "Adamoua", Cameroon.
>
> Good luck!
> Doug
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 3:14 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Info needed
>
>
>> Muana Poglica: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6839/muanaan2.jpg
>>
>> As for the "Muana Poglica", the label says E(ast) Africa not S(outh)
>> Africa,
>> although this doesn't help much. I did a Google search and found the
>> second
>> part of the word "Poglica" but the texts are written with Cyrillic
>> letters.
>> Maybe Sergey can help here.
>>
>>
>> in another museum I have found this meteorite without any info, the crust
>> is
>> complete and fresh, and the face broken show this matrix green color with
>> metal and grey chondrules:
>> http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6710/1mu1.jpg
>>
>> Hello, Holbrook experts out there. Could that be a fresh Holbrook???
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bernd
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] What else do you collect?

[Jose Campos]

I used to collect stamps, (in general), but since around 1980, I collect 
only stamps that are thematic to Astronomy and Space Exploration;
I have a large collection of the Sky & Telescope magazine, since 1965 (some 
nºs are missing, unfortunately);
I am also interested in books on Astronomy
and in books  related to both  Portuguese and Spanish sea discoveries of the 
15th and 16th Centuries;
as well as ancient Maps;
 and  military uniforms and badges;
and minerals and fossils and of course, meteorites (not that many, yet...) - 
as against my wife's, who collects coins and tea-pots!
José Campos
Portugal


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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:09 PM
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>
> At the moment I do not actively collect things, but besides meteorites I 
> have
> the following collections:
>
> - books by W.E. Johns (I am member of the International Biggles 
> Association);
>
> - books on the exploration of New Guinea;
>
> - wartime propaganda books by the Dutch Government in Exile.
>
> I also have a bit of Asmat art & Asmat artifacts, but wouldn't dare to 
> call it a
> collection (3 pieces, all inherited from my granddad).
>
> In a figurative sense, I collect asteroids (discovered a number of them).
>
> - Marco  :-)
>
> -
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday, November 22, 2006

[Jose Campos]

Ditto! Ditto! Hear! Hear!

José Campos


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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:11 PM
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Wednesday, November 22, 2006


> Outstanding oddity Marcin!!
> Jerry Flaherty
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>> Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - Wednesday,  November 22, 2006
>>
>> http://www.spacerocksinc.com/November_22.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

[Jose Campos]

Hi David,
I suppose that you mean the METEOROID (and not the meteorite), has spent eons 
in space temperature.
As you know, when the  METEOR enters our atmosphere, it is quicky heated as it 
passes through the denser layers of the Earth's atmosphere, reaching a surface 
temperature of around 2000 K at aprox. 80 Kms height -  but only a few thenths 
of a millimiter inwards from its surface, will be heated to that temperature.

This surface temperature depends on several parameters, such as its orbital 
velocity relative to Earth's, its angle of entry thru the atmosphere, its mass  
and the amount of its surface exposed to ablation.

This process takes only a few seconds,  but if it does not loose all its mass 
during the flight thru the atmosphere, it slows down to a critical velocity of 
around 3 km per second - that's when it stops shining  and its surface COOLS 
DOWN to form the typical crust that we often see on METEORITES.

As it reaches its terminal velocity, it starts a  free fall towards the ground 
- that phase is called the dark flight (obvioulsly, seldom mentioned in popular 
newspaper articles), and it LASTS FEW MINUTES - enough time to cancel off what 
might still be left of its initial  low internal body temperature, if any, at 
that stage. When you pick  the meteoriteup  from the ground, it does not feel 
to be abnormally hot (as sometimes claimed),  neither abnormally cold.

Regards,
José Campos
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  - Original Message - 
  From: David Pensenstadler 
  To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List 
  Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day


  Jose and list:

  If the meteorite has spent eons at space temperature and only spends a few 
seconds heating the surface as it descends through our atmosphere, why 
shouldn't it still be cold from the low internal temperature of the material?

  Dave

  Jose Campos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the link.
However, the captation that goes with it says:
Quote " If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do 
not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very 
cold". End of quote.

That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief, that from an 
educational point of view, must be fought off.

During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool 
down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not 
experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it - and its 
temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by.

José Campos
Portugal




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To: "Meteorite-list" 
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day


> Nice pic of the day today!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
>
> Stefan
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Astronomy Picture of the Day

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Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the link.
However, the captation that goes with it says:
 Quote " If you are lucky enough to find a meteorite just after impact, do 
not pick it up -- parts of it are likely to be either very hot or very 
cold". End of quote.

That is unfortunately, quite a common popular belief,  that from an 
educational point of view, must be fought off.

During the meteorite's free fall to the ground, it has enough time to cool 
down to the point that, on being pick up from the ground, a person do not 
experiences any heat or, for that matter any cold from it  - and its 
temperature will not be much different from any other stone near by.

José Campos
Portugal




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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomy Picture of the Day


> Nice pic of the day today!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/
>
> Stefan
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[meteorite-list] power cuts across most of Eastern Europe

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,
Just to let you know that last night Germany, Italy, France and Spain were 
it my a massive power outing - in same places, it lasted only about 90 
minutes. According to Sky News, cold weather and lack of supply are blamed 
for the worst blackout to hit western Europe in 30 years.


Hi Dean and other Listees in MUNICH!

I hope that this power outage did not affect much your gathering there! Have 
a good time!

All the best,
José Campos
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Re: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS

[Jose Campos]

Hello Dean,
Tks for the Munich photos.
It seems that you lot are having a good time there!
Judging by the photos, I guess that the size of the beer mugs are directly 
proportional to the mass of the "rocks"?

Interesting...
José Campos
Portugal


- Original Message - 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS



Hi, Dean,

   Bright and early in Munich; almost
everybody on this side of the planet is
likely snoozing by now.

   The proportions look about right: beer,
beer, spacerock, beer, beer, spacerock,
beer, beer, spacerock...

   It's important to maintain the correct
ratio.

   Thanks for the look.


Sterling K. Webb

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Subject: [meteorite-list] MUNICH PHOTOS



I have been to busy to get a show report or many
photos but here are few anyway. Good time to be had by
all and lots of meteorites around.
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/munich06/munich06.html
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - November 2006

[Jose Campos]

Hi Kuykens!
Really super pics. of the famous Hembury meteorite and craters. The aerial 
view is quite spectacular!

Many thanks for sharing it with us.
As for Norbert Kammel, who have been there several times: I "envy" you 
Norbert! :)


José Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - November 2006



www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Outing

[Jose Campos]

Hi Bernd and List,
If  I may say something here, I could not agree with you more Bernd!
With due respect to all in this List, I am of the opinion that we should all 
write down - after our names - our geographical location (Country, State or 
City) - after all, in this List, besides Arnolds, there are a few Daves, 
Petes, etc.
I must also point out that some of us have the good habit of mentioning 
where are they writing from.
After all, often it helps to know if the email is from a person from 
Germany, Arizona, Chicago, Mexico, N.Z.  Tokyo or elsewere!


Regards to all!
José Campos
Portugal

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Outing



E.P.,

with all due respect but there are two Steve Arnolds and one
of them surely wouldn't like to be taken for his namesake ;-))

Bernd

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Fw: [meteorite-list] My new web site, for and about meteorite hunters.

[Jose Campos]

Hi Ruben,
Many thanks for sharing your new web site!
Some nice meteorites you have there.
Good luck on your next hunting trip.
José Campos
Portugal



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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] My new web site, for and about meteorite hunters.



Hi all,
My new web site just went on line. I'm not selling
anything, it is merely a collection of pictures and
stories relating to meteorites and meteorite hunting.

I feel blessed to have spent time in the field with
some of the worlds best meteorite hunters that swing a
metal detector, as well as some that hunt only by
sight.

There are still quite a few ( Bob Verish, Rob Matson
and Jason Utas, etc...) that I haven't hunted with
that I'd love to learn from.

It is a work in progress and some stories are not up
yet. Over the next few months more will appear.

Check it out at http://www.mr-meteorite.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] info meteorite Lisbona

[Jose Campos]

Hi Gabelica and Paolo - and List,

As far as I know, there is no known specific place/shop in Lisbon and its 
imediate surroundings, where a person can buy meteorites.
Only once, some 2 years ago,  at a small mineral & fossil shop in Lisbon, I 
saw 2 quite small pieces of Canyon Diablo meteorite, were for sale, but I as 
far as I can remember, their prices were too high!
Otherwise, the National Museum of Natural History holds once a year (during 
summertime), a public display of minerals and fossils, where any private 
collector/dealer can display and sell its items. I went there only on one 
occasion, some 3 years ago and on a table of the showroom, I found these 2 
french speaking Morrocans, selling fossils, minerals and some chondrite 
meteorites.

Sorry that I cannot be more helpeful to you.
José Campos
Portugal


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To: 
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] info meteorite Lisbona



Hi Paolo,

I use to be in Lisbon about twice a year. I looked many times for places 
where
meteorites could be available for sale, but never found any. Neither in 
Lisbon,

nor in surrounding cities. This does not mean you should not try.
If you succeed, I'll be glad to know.

Best wishes,

Zelimir



Selon paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi list ,
someone of you have info were to buy meteorite in Lisbona?
I'll go in Lisbona next week from Roma.

Many thanks to all
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Pelé Pierre-Marie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen



Hello Pierre,

Merci for sharing your interesting pictures on your trip to Yemen.
The 2 pictures on Al Zeia Beni Morah are really spectacular!
Pity you did not find any meteorites there - perhaps next time!

José Campos
Portugal

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To: "MeteoriteList" 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen



Hello to the List,

I would like to share with you the pictures I took on
my trip to Yemen.

I didn't find meteorites as I was in the west of the
country which is mostly covered with mountains.

But you might enjoy the pictures.

The link :
http://www.meteor-center.com/expes/yemen2006/

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Trip to Yemen

[Jose Campos]

Hello Pierre,

Merci for sharing your interesting pictures on your trip to Yemen.
The 2 pictures on Al Zeia Beni Morah are really spectacular!
Pity you did not find any meteorites there - perhaps next time!

José Campos
Portugal

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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:09 PM
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Hello to the List,

I would like to share with you the pictures I took on
my trip to Yemen.

I didn't find meteorites as I was in the west of the
country which is mostly covered with mountains.

But you might enjoy the pictures.

The link :
http://www.meteor-center.com/expes/yemen2006/

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende !

[Jose Campos]

To all Mexicans on this List:
Yes, Viva Mexico on today's  Independence Day!
Viva Allende! and
Viva Zapata!  ( Marlon Brando, 1952 movie) - maybe one day they might find a 
nice 235kg "Zapata" iron meteorite...:)


But: and I quote Doug:
  "Viva MEXICO Cabrones !"

Cabrones 
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Portugal

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende !



To all Mexicans and amigas y amigos !

¡¡¡ Mexicanos 
Vivan los heroes que nos dieron Patria ! Viva !
Viva Hidalgo !  Viva !
Viva Morelos ! Viva !
Viva Allende !  Viva !
Viva Aldama !  Viva!
(Viva Doña Josefa Ortiz de Dominguez!!!  Viva! )
Viva la Libertad ! Viva !
Viva la Independencia !  Viva !
Viva Mexico !! 10 X !!
Campanas!

Happy Independence Day !
Morelos (First Mexican Communications Satellite!)
Allende (Oldest Meteorite on Earth!)
Hidalgo (Longest Orbit of all Asteroids in Belt Ast. #944)
- and and second oldest witnessed fall in the nation from his then tiny
pueblo 1844)
Aldama (Two meteorites!)

Viva MEXICO Cabrones !
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Michael Johnson's News Article of the Day!

[Jose Campos]

Congratulations to you Michael Johnson!
A nice article.

José Campos
Portugal

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Way to go ! Nice story!

Sonny

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Good morning List,

Way to go Michael !!

http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060909/NEWS/6090903
23/1051/NEWS01

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Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year y'all

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Happy New 2005 to all on this List!
José Campos
Portugal
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Hello y'all (me practicing southern talk),
Plain and simple, "Happy New Year"!
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Christmas Story of a Different Kind (Off-topic)

[Jose Campos]

Hi Bernd, Aziz, Pekka, Art, Dave Freeman, Doug and all of YOU in this List,
I wish you all, a Feliz Natal = Merry Christmas
and a Feliz Ano Novo = Happy New Year, with a nice meteorite fall near all 
of you...of course!
That would be some +- 550 falls in 2005???
José Campos
Portugal

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merry christmas and happy new year to all
yes bernd life is short and we have to enjoy it.
all the best
aziz
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Date: 23 Dec 2004 22:11:10 UT

Now - not tomorrow is the time for me ...
.. to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Why now? About two hours ago, I was writing Christmas mails
when suddenly the telephone rang. I thought it was my daughter
but it was the wife of one of my neighbors. Our families have been
friends for almost thirty years now. About seven years ago, he
had to undergo surgery because of a tumor in his brain. Ever
since his physical and mental health has deteriorated - slowly but
steadily until he had his first stroke some time ago. Another stroke
followed a few weeks ago leaving him unable to walk and rendering
him incontinent. Back now to the telephone call - his wife urged us
to come over as quickly as possible because he had fallen out of
his wheelchair and she was unable to lift him up. We ran over to
their house and there he was, on the floor, face down, a poor,
pitiable, helpless creature. We helped get him back into his
wheelchair, he was as heavy as a rock and I offered my help
holding him upright while his wife changed his diapers before
putting him to bed (with joint forces).
I was very depressed, sad, and worn-out when we returned home
but, in spite of or probably because of this occurrence, I do
think this year's Christmas will be something special, a precious
moment of contemplation and reflection for us here.
Wishing everybody all the best,
A Merry, Merry Christmas,
And a Happy New Year,
Bernd
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Burglary

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Hello Bernhard,
So sorry to hear that you have been robbed.
Let's hope that you will be able to recover, at least, some of your robbed 
items.
Meanwhile, I am sure that we, List Members, will keep our eyes/ears open, 
namely on the Chiang Khan.
I wish you good luck.
José Campos
Portugal

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Burglary

Hi,
Just wanted to tell you that my flat has been robbed and devastated today.
The thieves stole all my smaller electronical equipment, a collection of
roman coins, a collection of golden coins from the Austrian Hungarian empire
and other things of value. They completely ignored my meteorite collection
with over 600 items, except for a small portion of meteorites that were
laying on my table with the PDA and the iPod. These meteorites were those I
purchased from Stefan Ralew a few days ago, and the nice Chiang Khan I got
from Martin Altmann.
I have no idea why they took these and nothing else.
Bernhard
PS: No insurance. Me idiot.
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Fw: Fw: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower

[Jose Campos]

Hi Juris,
Thanks for your prompt reply and the extra info.
And I hope that you will be able to have an encore of the show soon, there 
in Elizabeth, Colorado.
Clear skies.
Best wishes,
José Campos
Portugal
PS: Come on, Dave Freeman, of Wyoming USA, of course he watched it in the 
sky...
All the best and clear skies to you too.

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Hi Juris,
That's looks like it was quite a nice show you had. Good for you, now 
please
let us have some idea of WHERE about did you watch it?
Upper Mongolia, Uzbekistan, or perhaps... Alaska? Or somewhere in the USA?
Kind regards,
José Campos

Jose - opps... Elizabeth Colorado.  That is a bit south and east of 
Denver - very dark skies.  :)

Juris 
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower

[Jose Campos]

Hi Juris,
That's looks like it was quite a nice show you had. Good for you, now please 
let us have some idea of WHERE about did you watch it?
Upper Mongolia, Uzbekistan, or perhaps... Alaska? Or somewhere in the USA?
Kind regards,
José Campos
Portugal


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I woke up at about 3:00 and headed into the kitchen.  I have a bay window 
in that room that faces east (with a heater vent right below it!).  So I 
sat on the floor for about a 1/2 hour to watch the show.  Even though I 
could not see the whole sky I had quite a show.  Nice as it was I will 
never forget that show we had a few years back..

Juris Breikss
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Ben Guérir fall

[Jose Campos]

Hello Philippe,
That's a fine 1037gr Ben Guérir meteorite that you have in your interesting 
website.
Congratulations! I wish it was mine...eh!eh! :)
José Campos
Portugal

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Hello everybody,
I have created a new page on my website about the new Moroccan fall Ben 
Guérir.
Here is the link : http://www.meteoritica.com

Best wishes,
Philippe
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Re: [meteorite-list] news paper and tv

[Jose Campos]

Habib,
Many thanks for the information on this new morroccan meteorite fall.
I am surprised by the newspaper report, mentioning an 8 Kg stone causing a 2 
meter DEEP crater!
Could this be a somewhat exagerated newspaper report?

BTW, thanks also for sharing openly with us, List, the meaning of your name.
Regards,
José Campos
Portugal
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hello list
dean can you look for someone to translate this.its in frensh.
its  anew fall and fresh and untill now  mike is there and  many other 
guys
so mattoe read this articles.and next time matteo i ask you to be more 
respectable .

aziz

AL-ITTIHAD AL-ICHTIRAKI
Chute de météorites dans plusieurs douars de la région de Benguerir.
Une météorite de 8 kg est tombée lundi dernier au Douar Al Foqara', et une 
vingtaine d'autres, pesant quelque 20 kg, au Douar Tnaja. Selon des 
sources locales, () ces chutes ont creusé un cratère d'environ 2 mètres de 
profondeur et ont été entendues à 50 km à la ronde. () Selon certains 
habitants, il se pourrait que ces météorites soient récupérées par des 
individus convaincus de leur pouvoir magique, qui leur permettrait de 
découvir des trésors. () Selon une source informée, le procureur du Roi de 
la région a donné des instructions à la gendarmerie en vue de récupérer 
ces pierres. () (A. Ryadh)

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Fw: [meteorite-list] Campos Sales

[Jose Campos]

Hi Doug,
Sim, si, yes, I am more inclined on that explanation that you found for the 
"Campos Sales" name.
Saudações de Portugal
José Campos

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José Campos kindly responded:
I suspect that the word "Sales" might have
something do to with a possible existence
of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de
Sales? (of the Order of the Salesians),
hence "Campos Sales"?
Olá e Olé José,
Thanks for the kindest clarification on the word "Sales".  The potential 
irony of the name still isn't lost but I appreciate your good explanation 
on the word "Sal" and "Sales".  Here's another take on Campos :) I think I 
can offer...when I realized you are José Campos!  How about the third 
Brasilian president MANUEL FERRAZ DE CAMPOS SALES, who successfully 
negotiated with France the border of Brasil near French Guiana, hence 
including the region near the Campos Sales meteorite locality got the town 
named in his commemoration.  I got the following off a Brasilian history 
site:

"O terceiro presidente foi Manuel Ferraz de Campos Sales (1898-1902), 
considerado o saneador das finanças do país, abaladas desde o final do 
Império, mas especialmente em virtude do "encilhamento", havido durante o 
Governo Provisório. Outra vitória do barão do Rio Branco: a questão do 
Amapá, de limites com a Guiana Francesa."

Thanks again José, and Saudades do Campos Sales! Y Saludos desde Mexico!
Doug
Olá Doug and List,
In connection with the Campos Sales meteorite, I noticed that on the
25/Oct/2004 Doug wrote:
"...Further, the rainy season  starts to peak during the quoted recovery
time in Campos Sales, and to boot, Campos Sales sounds like  it means 
"Salt
Fields" in Portuguese."

It may sound like it, and yes, Campos means "Fields"; however, the word
"Sales" does NOT exist in the Portuguese language. Although "Salt" in
Portuguese is written "Sal",  if it were to mean "Salt Fields" it should
have been "Campos Salgados" and not "Campos Sales".
I suspect that the word "Sales" might have something do to with a possible
existence of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de Sales? (of the Order 
of
the Salesians), hence "Campos Sales"?

Regards and
Saudações de Portugal (Doug, "Saudades" in Portuguese means "longing")
José Campos
Portugal

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Re.Fw:[meteorite-list] Meteorites on postcards

[Jose Campos]

Hi Mike Bostik, JKGwilliam, Martin and Mike Jensen and List,
Many thanks to all of you who sent me interesting information on Meteorites 
on postcards.
I never realized that there were so many! It sure makes an interesting 
collection theme.
Thanks again,

José Campos

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Re: [meteorite-list] Campos Sales

[Jose Campos]

Olá Doug and List,
In connection with the Campos Sales meteorite, I noticed that on the 
25/Oct/2004 Doug wrote:

"...Further, the rainy season  starts to peak during the quoted recovery 
time in Campos Sales, and to boot, Campos Sales sounds like  it means "Salt 
Fields" in Portuguese."

It may sound like it, and yes, Campos means "Fields"; however, the word 
"Sales" does NOT exist in the Portuguese language. Although "Salt" in 
Portuguese is written "Sal",  if it were to mean "Salt Fields" it should 
have been "Campos Salgados" and not "Campos Sales".

I suspect that the word "Sales" might have something do to with a possible 
existence of a nearby Mission of Saint Francisco de Sales? (of the Order of 
the Salesians), hence "Campos Sales"?

Regards and
Saudações de Portugal (Doug, "Saudades" in Portuguese means "longing")
José Campos
Portugal
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Fw: [meteorite-list] MUNICH 2004 photos

[Jose Campos]

Hi Peter Marmet,
I second Mark's words!
Meteorites + beer, sure makes a "good" combination! It looks like you all 
had a great time!
Congratulations to all involved in the Munich/04 meeting.
And thanks for sharing the pictures.
José Campos
Portugal

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Hello Peter
That was great! I could put faces to some of the people I've communicated 
with and listen to on the list. Looks like it was a very nice show and 
everyone had a great time.

Thanks
Mark
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Hello list,
I just put some pictures of the "Munich Mineral-, Fossil- and Meteorite 
Show
2004":

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id9.html
Once again: Many thanks to Martin Altmann who organized the "Great Friday
Evening Meteorite Party"!
Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?

[Jose Campos]

Hi JKGwilliam (and List),
Tks for sharing that  interesting picture of a post-card of the 
(Greensburg?) Brenham pallasite.
I have one post-card of the famous +-60 Ton Hoba meteorite (Grootfontein, 
Namibia).
Anyone knows of any other meteorites shown on post-cards?
José Campos
Portugal

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Here's a picture of a postcard showing the Greensburg pallasite being 
pulled out of the ground.  This pallasite is actually a  Brenham specimen 
if I'm not mistaken.


Best,
JKGwilliam
At 09:56 PM 10/25/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not sure if it's reliable or not, but a quick web search seems to come up 
with lots of hits for the Greensburg, KS pallasite as the top piece, at 
1000 pounds.

Here's a link to the "Big Well" site where it's housed, but the link on 
their page to the actual meteorite appears to be broken.

http://www.bigwell.org/
But here's another link that does contain an image
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/KSGREwell.html
Craig
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Fw: [meteorite-list] re: Meteor or Space Junk Fall

[Jose Campos]

Hi AL, Marco and List,
Thanks for the video link, AL.
The shown video clip lasted 33 seconds, on a reproduction velocity of 1.0
It was interesting to notice that,  quite close to the 4th second of the 
video clip, there is a brief, sudden bright outburst (?) followed by a 
return to its initial visual brightness; also visible during a portion of 
the object's path, are two parallel darkish streaks (shadow lines?), one on 
each side and quite close to the object.
Perhaps an imaging "blemish"?
José Campos
Portugal

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There was a meteor or space junk fall around my area on Sunday. A local
family video taped the event and can be viewed here:
http://home.wane.com/Video/ufo%20raw.WMV
This is not a meteor, nor spacejunk, but a sunlit aircraft contrail.
Note te very slow movement in the video, and the very long duration: 
afteer
seeing it and fetcing hs camera, the eyewitnness had time to get in his 
car,
drive to a nearby school parking, and film untill is camera battery was 
empty.

- Marco
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Fw: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall

[Jose Campos]

Hello Matt Morgan and Mike Jensen - and List,
Thanks for the great links to the photos. It seems to be a fine specimen.
I agree with CharlyV's comments on handling meteorites with gloves, namely 
when it comes to a very fresh fall. Good, successful hunting there, to those 
envolved in more fragment recovery.
José Campos
Portugal

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I know it was not a sterile environment, barely anything on earth is, but I
would think that as soon as academia showed up, they would have never 
wanted
it touched again. The less contamination the better if it going to be
examined by NASA and by University.  Even Tagish lake, which fell on 
frozen
lake water was 'contaminated', but since it was collected so carefully (by
Jim Brook ), without skin contact, and the pieces kept frozen, it was much
more valuable to science because of that. Also, scientists that collect in
Antarctica essentially do the same thing.  Just an observation.  I know 
that
if I had ever witnessed a fall and came up upon a suspected piece, I would
photo it in situ, GPS if possible, and then collect it with gloves.

CharlyV
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why would you use gloves?
it was dug out of a hole in the ground - hardly a sterile environment...

From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:55:02 -0400
Holding a fresh fall, without gloves, and not an ordinary chondrite, but
perhaps a Eucrite or one of the SNC's... Is it just me, or was that a
bungled recovery?
CharlyV
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Try this!

DROL
matt
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Hi all
Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look.

Enjoy
Mike
Mike Jensen IMCA 4264
Bill Jensen IMCA 2359
Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
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Fw: [meteorite-list] the Admin

[Jose Campos]

Dear Art,
Re. Michael Blood's email:
Hear Hear!
José Campos

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Show 2004 - Photos

[Jose Campos]

Hello Hanno,
Very interesting set of pictures! Many thanks 
for sharing them with us. It's nice to be able to see the faces of some  
members of this List, that most of us only 
know by name.  It seems that it was a good show, contratulations to all 
those involved in preparing and organizing it.
José Campos
 

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  2004 - Photos
  
  Hallo List,
   
  for all of you who are interested, I have updated my hompage with some 
  nice photos of the Ensisheim Meteoriteshow last weekend in France.
  Here is the link:
   
  http://www.strufe.net
   
  click on the button "Ensisheim 2004" and take a look.
  The photos are as always in a higher resolution and can take some seconds 
  to download.
   
  There had never been so many meteorite dealers in Ensisheim than this 
  year.
  All was very good organized from Zelimir Gabelica. Well done 
  Zelimir.
  The dealers showed excellent material and we all had a lot of fun 
  together.
  What do you want more ?
   
  Enjoy the photos and I hope to see all of you next year 
  again.
   
  Best regards
  ===Hanno 
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[meteorite-list] List: Attention on virus W32/Zafi-B!

[Jose Campos]

Attention List: VIRUS!
I have been warned by my server that the e-mail sent to meteorite list by a
GEMFRANCE under the subject "Don't worry, be happy" - is in fact infected
with the virus "W32/Zafi-B".
So please, do NOT open it's attached file: www.ecard.com.funny
picture.index.nude.php356.pif
Fortunately it was wiped out before I could have opened it!
José


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Fw: [meteorite-list] Origins

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,
The probability of a meteorite originated from 
Mercury, being able to reach Earth (or Venus or Mars, for that matter), must 
be exceedingly small, as it would be strongly attracted towards the 
Sun, unless its initial orbit would be disturbed in such a way as to be 
"kicked out" by a close encounter in the Sun's vicinity,  with a 
passing asteroid or a comet?
 
José
 
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From: MARK 
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To: Martin Altmann ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite List 
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origins

Hello Martin and list,
 
Not saying Enstatites are from Mercury, it seems to me that they formed 
much further from the sun.but doesn't everything get kind of pushed into the 
asteroid belt?  That was my understanding why there are still asteroids in 
the belts.they get replaced.
 
 
 
Mark Bostick
www.meteoritearticles.com
 
 
 

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  Origins
   
  
  

  The Enstatite Chondrite Neuschwanstein had its 
  aphelion in the asteroid main belt, thus it's not related to 
  Mercury.
  Here a picture of the orbit
  http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/special/raum/14785/1.html
   
  Martin 
  
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What about Mercury, Saturn, Jupiter...Etc? Is it just because 
  we have to point of reference or maybe distance...Just 
Curious!There was widespread belief that the Enstatite 
Chondrites originated within Mercury's orbit, if they weren't actually 
Mercurian themselves, but I haven't read any particularly recent scientific 
assessment on that positionany updates out there?   The 
"giants" (Jupiter and Saturn) are considered to be essentially gaseous with 
prohibitive escape velocities as well, so I don't think there's much 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT Transit of Venus

[Jose Campos]

Sorry to know about that, J. Devon!
Here in Portugal its quite clear today. For us, the transit 
has already started.
I hope that your local weather improves! Good observing to 
all!
José
Portugal
 

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  ; tracy 
  latimer 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:57 
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  of Venus
  Sorry for that, Jeannie,in the middle of Finland we 
  have at the moment excellent circumstansies,no clouds at 
  all.best,pekka sJ. Devon wrote:
  Cloudy in Alaska, as usual when there is something up there I want to
see  I even got a new solar filter.sigh.

Argh.

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Is anyone planning to observe the June 8 Transit of Venus?  We won't be
able
  
to see this first one here in HI, but people on the US Eastern Seaboard
and
  
in Europe shold have an excellent view, weather permitting. We are stuck
with a 2nd hand video feed.  OTOH, the second one in 2012 will be
practically directly overhead for us, so it works out.

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[meteorite-list] Ronald Reagan

[Jose Campos]

I have just now heard the sad news on RTP1 Portuguese TV 
station, on the passing of Ronald Reagan, one of the greatest American 
Presidents of all times in the World History.
I think that the USA  does note make Presidents like him 
anymore.
I know that this is not a "meteorite" related subject, but I 
have seen time and again, many unimportant subjects being put through this List 
- made up of many fine people, -  that I feel that I do not need to ask for 
any apologies.
God Bless him.
 
José Campos
Portugal
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Re: possible fireball in Portugal - update

[Jose Campos]

Hi Robert Verish and List,

The portuguese TV station SIC showed last nigh during its news broadcast, a
short video clip of the luminous body seen over Portugal. The video was
taken by a woman from the Algarve (I missed the name of her home town). The
video shows a bright, headless object with a straight, narrow tail, a few
degrees long, (my guess: +-5 deg??) and moving fast, at "tree top level"
from right to left (that's relative to the screen). She reported hearing no
sound at all.
Based on a map of the body's flight path that was published yesterday in the
port. newspaper "Correio da Manhã", which shows the object as having entered
portuguese airspace across the Guadiana River (our border with southern
Spain), what appears to be just south of the +38 deg paralell - I take that
the woman aimed her video camera approx. towards a NE direction.
The object was detected by port. radar at Beja (central south) at 23h19
Lisbon Time = London time); it was detected also by Montijo radar station
(near Lisbon); based on this same map, the luminous object then moved on
towards a WNW direction, well to the right of Lisbon where it was visually
seen by some firemen on duty at the Lisbon airport; Then, it moved on a more
northern direction, closely following the shape of the coast all the way
north, but remaining overland; at Porto (north of Portugal), it was detected
by radar again, at 23h44 with an ascending route, crossing the Minho river
(northern border Portuga with Galicia, Spain). It was seen by hundreds of
people from several portuguese localities. besides the luminous trail, some
also reported a trail of smoke, but no sound at all.
I am surprised that no reports of sightings (as far as I know), were
received from southern or northern Spain! Very strange, considering also the
speeds of 900 to a mere 120 km/h reported by the Air Force, as well as
heights of 2100 m 3000m and 12100 m (not exactly in this order). I have with
me a newspaper clip of the map. Regards to all.
José Campos, Portugal

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> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:55:24 +0400
> From: "Andrei Ol'khovatov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: possible fireball in Portugal - update
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> It looks like "airplane associated" indeed. Airplane's
> contrails illuminated by sun?
> The only strange thing is that (if I correctly
> understand) the Portuguese AirForce completely failed
> to indentify them as airplanes... Just a large
> airplane with transponder etc. can cruise at 12 km
> altitude. Maybe some confusing, misunderstanding, etc.
> I hope that Paulo will update on the development.
>
> Best,
> Andrei Ol'khovatov
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> > > Dear Paulo,
> > >
> > > If the radar tracked the lights indeed, they
> > > could not have been meteoroidal bolides.
> > [snip]
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Andrei Ol'khovatov
> > > Russia, Moscow
> >
> > Indeed, altitudes and speeds stated suggest aircraft
> to me.
> >
> > - Marco
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > Portuguese airforce stated that 2 objects were
> detected in radar:
> one, cruising at about 12000 m...the other was
> cruising at 2000 m and then, climbed up to 7000 m, at
> an estimated speed of 800 Km/h.
> > > > No noise was heard, and the object was envolved
> in smoke, with white light
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Re: [meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal

[Jose Campos]

Tks Mike,
Re. the Ourique meteorite, I also went there, got a couple of 
pics of the 2 small holes in the dirt road made by the fall and I did manage to 
find some 20 small fragments - a few of them with crust.
I think that most probably, yesterday's object was a 
satellite/space junk re-entry. Pity...
Keep well.
José

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  From: 
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  To: Jose Campos ; Meteorite List 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:03 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intense 
  bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal
  
  Cool, I would love to go back to the Algarve, 
  just south of where Ourique fell, beautiful area. 
  Portugal was one of my favorite hunts. 
  
  Mike Farmer
  
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To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:45 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Intense 
bright light seen over the skies ofPortugal

Hi List and Marco Langbroek,
 
This morning, on the 07h00 am news, I heard the portuguese 
TV RTP1 news reader talking about an intense bright light that was seen last 
night, Tuesday, 01 June/2004, after 11:00 PM (Lisbon time), by hundreds of 
people from several towns: Penafiel, Évora and the Algarve. The 
luminous object was described as "very bright, fast, leaving behind a trail 
of smoke and moving with no sound". 
A "Civil Protection Unit" representative, as well as the 
Civil Aviation Authority, were both contacted by the TV station but they 
could not offer an explanation. An astronomer said that it could have been 
either a meteor or a satellite entering the Earth's atmosphere. Then 
followed the "usual story" of it being an UFO, etc.
 
This morning's local newspaper "CORREIO DA MANHÃ" 
02/June/2004, has the following news about it, on its 
back page:
My own translation from Portuguese to 
English:
 
"Phenomenon with no explanation
  Unknown Light
    A very intense, smoking light, of an 
unknown origin, was last night seen from several places in Portugal but 
local authorities do not have an answer to this phenomenon.
   The "Civil Protection Unit" received 
phonecalls from several places, from Penafiel, Vendas Novas, Évora or the 
Algarve. Also, the Portuguese Airforce confirmed this happening 
to Lusa (port. news agency), to have taken place around 23h15 (Lisbon 
time) but they do not have an explanation for it"
 
So far, no information has been given about its 
direction or its flight path.
Note that Lisbon time = London time. When  I 
have more news, will let you all know.
 
José Campos
Portugal
 
 



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[meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies of Portugal

[Jose Campos]

Hi again List,
 
A while ago, the portuguese TV SIC presented a portion of 
an amateur video made by a  portuguese woman from the Algarve, showing 
the  bright object reported on my previous email to the 
List.
 From what I could see in this video, the object appeared 
to be moving almost paralled to the horizon, several degrees above local tree 
level, and moving fast "from right to left". It portrayed an almost 
straight, a few degrees long, luminous "trail". I don't know in which 
direction was the video-camera facing.
From this video clip, I did notice that the object did not 
show a bright "head".
A Mr. José Miguel Reis, who witnessed the phenomenon 
 from Penodeno, Portugal, mentioned that it appeared to move as a luminous 
point coming from the north, on a slight curved path moving fast towards the 
west; he claimed that neither its speed or its trajectory were constant. (???) 
and that it did not move like an aircraft.
SIC TV also reported that the object was noticed by the 
portuguese air force ground radar and thata spoke person for the Air Force said 
that  it lasted for about 3 minutes, moving at some 800 km/h and that 
during its path it was detected at heights of 50.000 feet, 30.000 and 7.000 
feet.
 
Astronomer José Matos said that it might have been the reflex 
(flash) of an Iridium satellite, orbiting at some 780 km height. He suggested 
that it might be seen again tonight (Wed.) at about the same time as last night 
(23h15 Lisbon time).
 
Certainly, the air force ground radar would not be able to 
pick up satellites at that height, and the several witnesses over the country, 
would not mention seen a smoke trail, if it was in fact, a flash of an Iridium 
satelitte.
It appears to me that it was, most probably, a satellite 
re-entry. Can any List member confirm if there was any satellite/space debris 
predicted for a re-entry over Portugal around that time/date?
José Campos
Portugal
 
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[meteorite-list] Intense bright light seen over the skies of Portugal

[Jose Campos]

Hi List and Marco Langbroek,
 
This morning, on the 07h00 am news, I heard the portuguese TV 
RTP1 news reader talking about an intense bright light that was seen last night, 
Tuesday, 01 June/2004, after 11:00 PM (Lisbon time), by hundreds of 
people from several towns: Penafiel, Évora and the Algarve. The luminous 
object was described as "very bright, fast, leaving behind a trail of smoke and 
moving with no sound". 
A "Civil Protection Unit" representative, as well as the Civil 
Aviation Authority, were both contacted by the TV station but they could not 
offer an explanation. An astronomer said that it could have been either a meteor 
or a satellite entering the Earth's atmosphere. Then followed the "usual story" 
of it being an UFO, etc.
 
This morning's local newspaper "CORREIO DA MANHÃ" 
02/June/2004, has the following news about it, on its 
back page:
My own translation from Portuguese to English:
 
"Phenomenon with no explanation
  Unknown Light
    A very intense, smoking light, of an 
unknown origin, was last night seen from several places in Portugal but local 
authorities do not have an answer to this phenomenon.
   The "Civil Protection Unit" received phonecalls 
from several places, from Penafiel, Vendas Novas, Évora or the Algarve. Also, 
the Portuguese Airforce confirmed this happening to Lusa (port. news 
agency), to have taken place around 23h15 (Lisbon time) but they do not have an 
explanation for it"
 
So far, no information has been given about its 
direction or its flight path.
Note that Lisbon time = London time. When  I have 
more news, will let you all know.
 
José Campos
Portugal
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd & Thanks

[Jose Campos]

Hi Ken, (and List)
 
Tks for pointing it out to me.
Perhaps that weirdo "meteorite" found by Joe Suarez 
of Corpus Christi - the one that was "glowing orange, with steam coming out of 
ALL these holes...", may have caused my PC clock "gone haywire" and "go way far 
ahead"...as he mentioned.
That might have been a heck of a long-distance 
interference!!! LOL!
José Campos
Portugal
 
PS: The  PC clock is back to "normal" again - 
lucky me! One never knows what this weird meteorite might do 
again...
 
 

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  newton 
  To: Jose Campos 
  Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:22 
PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 
  Birthday Bernd & Thanks
  Jose,Your computer clock is a month 
  fast.best,KenJose Campos wrote:  (6/12/2004)
  


Hi Bernd,
Happy birthday! 
José Campos
 
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  From: 
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  To: 
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  Sent: 
  Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:25 PM
  Subject: 
  Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd & Thanks
  
  Happy birthday Bernd! And welcome 
  Back!
   
  Fred B
  www.meteoriteshow.com
   
  
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To: 
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Sent: 
Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: 
[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd & Thanks

G'day List,
 
As many of you have probably already noticed, Bernd 
has been back on the list helping out everyone he can with his wealth of 
information. Bernd has helped me out many times as I'm sure he 
has for others too. So I for one would like to say thanks and welcome 
back. The list has been a much more useful tool over the past couple of 
months which I really hope continues. Today is also Bernd's 
birthday which he made the mistake of telling me a while back. ;-) So 
Happy Birthday Bernd!
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Bernd & Thanks

[Jose Campos]

Hi Bernd,
Happy birthday! 
José Campos
 
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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 
  Birthday Bernd & Thanks
  
  Happy birthday Bernd! And welcome 
  Back!
   
  Fred B
  www.meteoriteshow.com
   
  
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AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy 
Birthday Bernd & Thanks

G'day List,
 
As many of you have probably already noticed, Bernd has 
been back on the list helping out everyone he can with his wealth of 
information. Bernd has helped me out many times as I'm sure he has 
for others too. So I for one would like to say thanks and welcome back. The 
list has been a much more useful tool over the past couple of months which I 
really hope continues. Today is also Bernd's birthday which he made the 
mistake of telling me a while back. ;-) So Happy Birthday 
Bernd!
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New topic: Micro Diamonds

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,  David and Chris

Can someone please confirm if gold has ever been found on a meteorite?
Have a nice Sunday.

José Campos

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>
> Hi David, listfolk,
>
> This is a very interesting question as I find many
> 19th century references to (1) diamonds and (2) gold
> found in meteorites. I am usually inclined to label
> these hoaxes, but perhaps this would be too hasty.
>
> If diamonds were seen in meteorites by their finders I
> suppose they were not just a few microns in size.
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Dear List:
> > I have an ebay customer asking me where he can
> > purchase a diamond from a
> > meteorite impact
> > Any for sale, contact me and I will forward the
> > email  to you.
> >
> > Aren't they small, like a few microns in size and
> > not the size of grains
> > of rice?
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> > I didn't know of anyone selling them.
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Fw: [meteorite-list] Directions to American Meteorite Museum

[Jose Campos]

Hi Gregory,
 
Tks for sharing your pics.
The one of the Museum in its heydey is certainly a most interesting 
document of historical info!
 
José Campos
 Portugal
 
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Does anyone have good instructions on how to locate the old 
  museum?  Do we need to contact anyone about prowling the 
  property?
The ruins of the museum are impossible to miss, once you've turned gotten 
to the Meteor Crater exit from the highway.  As you head off the highway 
and begin to go toward the crater, there will be a gas station on your right, 
and a road that leads toward the fully-visible Museum ruins on your 
left.  That old road toward the Museum is (barely) paved, and it may 
or may not be actual Route 66 pavement.  Nininger's Museum was always 
advertised as being right on Route 66 but I'm still unsure if the road from the 
gas station to the Museum is actually a remnant of "The Mother Road" or 
not.
 
As to permission/accessibility, I've heard various reports -- it seems to 
depend on whom you talk to.  When I went there for the first time, I 
had been told in advance that the Museum ruins were on private property and 
trespassers would be prosecuted if caught.  However, in chatting with 
employees of that nearby gas station, they said, "Sure, no problem, go on 
up and take a look." So I did.   ;-)
 
The Museum in its heyday:
 
http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM.jpg
 
And the way it looks now (with the rim of the crater in the distance)
 
http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/AMM3.jpg
 
Have fun!
 
   GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 
Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 
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FW: [meteorite-list] Interesting asteroid names

[Jose Campos]

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Hi Alex and List,

You asked for more listees with their own asteroids;
How abou comets?

I independently co-discovered P/Comet 1978j = 1978XX Haneda-Campos, on
September 1st 1978 with a 5" refractor, from Durban, South Africa. It was
also independently discovered by the late japanese amateur astronomer T.
Haneda, from Fukushima, Japan, on the same date.
The comet's Period is just over 6 yrs.
According to the new comet nomenclature, it is now known as comet D/1978 R1
Haneda-Campos.

Greetings from sunny Portugal
José Campos

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Now here is a little goodie...:
(6524) Baalke

And two more outstanding ones:...:
(6371) Heinlein
(73491) Robmatson

More listees with their own asteroids?
Greetings from sunny Berlin,
Alex


Ron answered:
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> Done!

> 7610 Sudbury

> Ron B.


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FW: [meteorite-list] OT: Manganese nodule auction

[Jose Campos]

Hi Bob Verish and List,

The reference made to "rare manganese nodule samples from 3000 meters deep
on the Pacific Ocean floor", reminds me of when I used to live in South
Africa, I recall having read in a local Durban newspaper, about this south
african group of sea-divers who, - some 2 years before South West Africa
(which at the time, was a South African Protectorate), became an independent
country in 1990, as Namibia, - they were given a licence to explore a
portion of the sea-floor along the Skeleton Coast, and they used ships with
powerfull pumps and pipes to vacuum the sea bed, near the coast, for lots of
manganese nodules, most in 50 meter deep water - if my memory serves me
correct.

José


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"Meteorite: SuperRare Manganese nuggets from the
Ocean"


--
http://www.sciencemall-usa.com/mannod.html

The link above shows a manganese nodule, which is more
like I remember how they look.  The light-colored
shiny interior of the specimen in the eBay auction
looks every bit like the kind of meteorwrongs that I
have been seeing a lot of lately, and which we have
given the collective name:
"sulfide slag"
as described on Ken Newton's web page:

http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html

Caveat Emptor,
Bob V.
P.S. - Searched the web for manganese nodule.
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,920.


manganese-nodule.net
Welcome to Manganese-Nodule.Net ! Please click here to
continue ! Description: Portal giving links to all
major institutions and companies involved with
manganese nodules (prospecting,...
Category: Science > Technology > Mining
http://www.manganese-nodule.net/


Manganese Nodules
... Here's your chance to have a rare manganese nodule
sample from 3000 meters
deep on the Pacific Ocean floor. ... Manganese Nodules
JPT-MANG2 $32.00. ...
http://www.sciencemall-usa.com/mannod.html


NGDC/WDC MGG, Boulder-Scripps Inst of Oceanography
Ferromanganese ...
... Scripps Institution of Oceanography Ferromanganese
Nodule Analysis File. view gif
image of ferromanganese nodule. ... NAME OF DATA SET:
SIO Mn Nodule Analysis File. ...
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/geology/sionar.html


NGDC/WDC MGG, Boulder-Scripps Inst of Oceanography
Manganese ...
... Scripps Institution of Oceanography Manganese
Nodule Sediment Description File.
cross section of ferromanganese nodule. NGDC Data Set
# MGG15995015(00250). ...
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/geology/siodesc.html
[ More results from www.ngdc.noaa.gov ]


manganese-nodules.net
Welcome to the world wide web portal for everything on
manganese nodules
and related topics. What are Manganese Nodules ? -
Introduction. ...
http://www24.brinkster.com/manganesenodule/site/what.htm



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FW: [meteorite-list] SPANISH BOLIDE : IMPORTANT FIND !

[Jose Campos]

Hi Pierre-Marie,

What a great recovery! Congrats to you and to your team!
Tks for sharing the pic.
José Campos


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Congratulations !!

Seems that you had a lot of nose to find it !

Nice stone indeed, and welcome to the Meteorite New Fall Discoverer Group.

Best regards

Michel FRANCO


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> Our recovery team went to Spain from 8th to 14th March 2004. We followed
the estimated trajectory of the bolide observed over Spain the 4th January
2004. At the moment, only two small fragments have been recovered by a
journalist on vacation in the area and several other stones by a Spanish
recovery team.
>
> We are the first meteorite hunters to have done a significient find. On
the 10th March 2004 in the afternoon, we found on a track a complete 1380
grams meteorite in the north of the Palencia District.
>
> It is classified as a H chondrite. Our museum quality individual is 98%
covered with fusion crust. There's a small window showing the inside, with
shock veins.
>
> The first worldwide public show of this meteorite will be done by our
recovery group at the Ensisheim Show, in June 2004.
>
> You can anyway look at some pictures of our find on our website
www.meteor-center.com
>
> Pierre-Marie PELE
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> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
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FW: [meteorite-list] Wow - Look at this pic from Meridiani Planum

[Jose Campos]

Title: Nachricht



Hi 
Bernhard and List,
 
It is 
certainly a most interesting image!
What 
is the distance from the rover to that martian outcrop?
Any 
guesses? Perhaps Ron Baalke can help us?
 
Have a 
nice Sunday,
José 
Campos
 
 
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Look at this pic from Meridiani Planum
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/001/1N128285132EDNP1500R0M1.JPG
 
A feature most 
extraordinaire...

Kind 
regards,
 
Bernhard 
“Rendelius” Rems

FW: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid Impact A Possible (But Unlikely) Cause of Beagle 2 Failure

[Jose Campos]

Hi List,

I would assume that the "...leading expert of the Agency" mentioned the
probable cause of Beagle-2 failure, as a METEOROID, - and not a
"meteorite" - hitting the rover during its flight to Mars - news reporters
(in any country!) seldom do get the Astronomy/Astronautics story
right...even when the story is told by experts.

In fact, under the Subject Title of this email, R.B. (always very sharp),
has it right. Good!

José


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http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=302256&PageNum=0

Meteorite is possible cause of Beagle-2 collapse
ITAR-TASS News Agency
January 13, 2004

FRANKFURT-ON-MAINE (Itar-Tass) -- A meteorite might have ruined the Beagle-2
rover of the European Space Agency. The meteorite might have hit the rover
during the nearly seven-months flight to Mars, a leading expert of the
Agency said on Tuesday.

He noted that the Beagle-2 rover had been installed outside the Mars Express
interplanetary station. The rover undocked from the station on December 19,
2003, and was silent during the ballistic descent till December 25.

A minor damage of the rover?s thermal protection by a meteorite could have
catastrophic consequences, the same as it was in the Columbia shuttle
disaster,
the expert said. The rover entered the Martian atmosphere, and gases up to
1,200 degrees hot might have penetrated inside the Beagle-2 and ruined it.
It
is also possible that the main parachute and cushion gasbags appeared to be
defunct in landing.

The loss of the Beagle-2 rover was a predictable risk, as more than a half
of three dozens of expeditions to Mars failed, the expert said.

He said he was not surprised at the successful landing of the U.S. Spirit
rover on Mars. NASA launched the first probe to Mars forty years ago, and
Beagle-2 was the first attempt of the European Space Agency, the expert
noted.

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FW: [meteorite-list] New fall in Spain

[Jose Campos]

Hi 
Mark Ford,
 
It 
seems that the spanish authorities sent in some members of its Army and a 
few helicopters scouting the possible area of fall because, according to 
the spanish news media, quite a number 
of 
phone calls made by members of the public who saw it, mentioned a "possible 
burning AIRCRAFT". In fact, a few callers from Vila Real, Portugal, also thought 
that they had seen the same and
therefore, some portuguese policemen and firemen did 
some search as well, for a few hours - not "all day and night" as you 
wrote.
Having THAT possibility in mind, I am sure 
that ALL countries would bother!
Regards,
 
José 
Campos
Portugal
 
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Personally I doubt they will find much, 
needle in a haystack time, but it is interesting that the Spanish seem to be 
willing to send the army and helicopters to search all day and 
night!
 
Most countries wouldn’t bother. - 
Sometimes mankind’s 
response to meteorite falls is more interesting than the actual 
rock!
 

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[meteorite-list] A fragment of the recent spanish fireball found?

[Jose Campos]

Hi List - and 
Marco,
 
Here is my 
translation of a spanish news article, dated 08/January 
2004:
 
 "A man who 
lives in Fuentes de Ropel, Zamora, says he has found debris of the meteorite 
that he believes is the same one that fell down on Sunday on the 
peninsula.
He said that he 
found it near the local cemitery and that it was like a ping-pong ball in size, 
and when he picked it up it broke away into 4 fragments. He kept one 
for
himself and handed 
over the other 3 fragments at the Headquarters of the Guardia Civil at 
Benavente. 
From there, they 
were sent to the Centro Superior de Investigaciones Cientificas, to have them 
certified if in fact, the mineral has come from the outer 
space."
 
(end of 
translation)  - This article was written in spanish by a Mr. José Ignacio 
C. Garcia, Madrid.
 
 There is a 
video-clip - showing the finder explaining his story -, attached to this news 
page, plus some 4 small photos showing again the finder, as well as the small 
fragment that he kept for himself.
 In one of the 
pictures, on the palm of his hand is shown a 5 cent Euro coin next to the 
fragment.
As the coin in 
question has 20 mm in diameter, one can estimate the fragment to be 14 x 6 
mm approx. and it looks like a stony fragment with what seems to 
be some fusion crust (?) on its top visible side - but I am not that 
sure.
 
Check on the 
following link:  http://www.a3n.tv/mNoticia.asp?seccion=Noticias/Sociedad/&news=6410787
 
 
Regards
José 
Campos
Portugal
 
 

RE: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2

[Jose Campos]

Yes Ron, offcourse the spacecraft was well inside the coma at the time these
series of images were taken;
 The double image effect is more noticeable on the 6th and 7th
images; however, my impression of a very faint trace of a possible short fan
tail, came from viewing the first 3 images.
 But in all probability, you are quite right. Thanks.
 José Campos


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>
>
> Hi Ron,
> Great, most interesting animation!
> It seems that there was a very faint trace of a short, fan-shaped coma,
seen
> from the comet's nucleous towards it's UPPER direction (as the picture is
> shown).

Bear in mind the spacecraft was well inside the coma when it took the
images.
The feature you noticed is an artifact of looking through the periscope - a
double image effect.

Ron Baalke

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RE: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2

[Jose Campos]

Hi Ron,
Great, most interesting animation!
It seems that there was a very faint trace of a short, fan-shaped coma, seen
from the comet's nucleous towards it's UPPER direction (as the picture is
shown).
Many thanks for sharing it with us.
José Campos

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I've added an animation of the Comet Wild 2 flyby images taken by
Stardust to the Stardust website.
Included is a chart from the Dust Flux Instrument showing
the particle impacts on the spacecraft during the flyby, and
another chart showing the spacecraft thruster activity:

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/status/040106.html

You can view the animation directly from here:

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/images/w2_flyby1.gif

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[meteorite-list] Spanish fireball also seen from north of Portugal

[Jose Campos]

Hi 
List,
 
  I can confirm 
that the fireball was also seen from several places in northern 
Portugal.
 The portuguese 
newspaper "Correio da Manhã" on its issue dated Tuesday 06 Jan 2004 (page 16), 
has another article on this fireball.
 Here is a 
summary of it:
 
  Meteor shower on the 
Iberian Peninsula:
 METEOR CAUSES 
PANIC
 Dozens of phone calls alerted 
on a "ball of fire". A meteor is the origin of the 
phenomena.
 
The sighting of a strange 
flaming object in the sky caused viewers from different points of Portugal, 
to enter into an alert, on sunday, on a possible aerial 
accident.
    
Dozens of firemen went out looking for a possible fallen aircraft, untill 
the local Civil Protection authorities were informed that it might have been a 
meteorite
    
fall that was visible from several places of the Iberian 
Peninsula.
  "It was a ball with an 
intense light and a kind of a tail. It seemed like something  burning", 
explained Fernanda Peixoto who at the time was at the town of Viana 
do
   Castelo 
(north of Portugal), where she lives, when she observed the phenomena at around 
17h00.
  Another woman also from 
Viana do Castelo, Alexandra Pereira, admited to have become scared: "It reminded 
me of a falling star but it had an enormous
  dimention and 
a much more intense luminosity", she said. Also Mr. Paulo Vilaverde, an 
assessor to the Civil Government of the Viana District, witnessed 
the
  fall of the 
meteorite: "I was coming along the road of Varrosela towards 
Viana when I saw an enormous brilliance. It called my attention 
because it was still
  daylight. It 
seemed to me that it was a meteorite and promply I called the Civil Protection 
Services".
 
 This same phenomena was also 
seen from Ponte de Sor, Viseu and Castro d'Aire (Portugal).
 At Viana do 
Castelo's Civil Headquarters for Help-line, dozens of phone calls were 
received from several places from the Minho province.
 From the city of Viseu the 
"ball of fire" appeared in full daylight at around 15h30 during a local 
soccer game between Academico and Vilafranquense at
   Fontelo 
Stadium: "I was staring towards one of the goal-lines when I saw a strong light 
(brilliance)" said José Morais, coach for Academico. In his 
own
   words, 
it was about "something passing by very fast, like a flash" and "it was so 
bright that it was even visible in daylight".
 
    A 
comet's trail: Scientifically, this Sunday's phenomena is predictable, since 
every year, at the beginning of January, the terrestrial orbit crosses through 
a
   zone of 
cosmic particles which give origin to a meteorite shower.
 
Seen also from 
Spain:
   "A 
great ball of fire, surrounding a silvery star", that's how one of the spanish 
witnesses described what had seen in the sky at the time. According to this 
same
  witness, the 
ball of fire caused a strong explosion followed by the ground shaking". There 
were several phone calls made through several spanish provinces, 

  between 18h00 
and 19h00, with a variety of discriptions, including believing to 
have seen "an aircraft in flames", while others said that they saw "flaming 
stars".
  At Galiza, it 
was also seen by members of the public and soccer players of both teams of 
Santiago de Compostela and of San Sebastian de los Reys.
  Also several 
phone calls were made to the spanish emergency services, from the areas of 
Madrid, Albacete, Valencia, Teruel and Baleares.  
(end).
  

 
 NOTE: The 
times given, are local times. At this time of the year, Portugal (and the UK) is 
1 hour behind Spain.
   
I doubt if the report from Viseu (Portugal), given as seen at 15h30 refers to 
another fireball or something else not related.
   
José.
    

Regards
José 
Campos
Portugal
 
 

FW: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta

[Jose Campos]

Hi 
again!
 
Sorry, I mean "hit" - not "it"...
    

    
José
 
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Cow and Vaca Muerta
  
Hi Taurus the Bull,
 
    That cow that jumped over the moon, 
was afterwards it on the head and killed by a stony-iron 
meteorite.
    This same meteorite later became 
aptly known as Vaca Muerta, which, in Spanish means "Dead 
Cow"...
    Some scientists suspect that the cow 
was already mad, before it was struck by the meteorite, and that with 
the hard blow, the cow's brain were all over the place, infecting some nearby 
prions  in the process... but other scientists quickly 
said that's a lot of bull!
    Have a nice 
Sunday.
    José
 
 
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WuSent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:33 PMTo: Francis 
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[meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then 
there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible 
way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca 
Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows 
could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is 
a oral record of space cows observed by aboriginals. Perhaps why cows 
are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia 
ago
 
Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.)
 
Francis Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
"We 
  still had hamburgers for dinner that night," he said. "The odds of 
  being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying 
  of mad cow disease."Interestingly, there is some science behind 
  thespeculation that something like a prion protovirus mayhave been 
  carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,since life on Earth seems to 
  have developed within 400Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, 
  sincethere are also models for a rapid RNA world that 
  mightwork.Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was notbrought 
  by a meteorite though, since it is toohost-specific. Unless there are cows 
  in space. Nowthat would make interesting meteorites. :)Francis 
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FW: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta

[Jose Campos]

  
Hi Taurus the Bull,
 
    That cow that jumped over the moon, 
was afterwards it on the head and killed by a stony-iron 
meteorite.
    This same meteorite later became 
aptly known as Vaca Muerta, which, in Spanish means "Dead 
Cow"...
    Some scientists suspect that the cow 
was already mad, before it was struck by the meteorite, and that with 
the hard blow, the cow's brain were all over the place, infecting some nearby 
prions  in the process... but other scientists quickly 
said that's a lot of bull!
    Have a nice 
Sunday.
    José
 
 
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WuSent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:33 PMTo: Francis 
Graham; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then 
there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible 
way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca 
Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows 
could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is 
a oral record of space cows observed by aboriginals. Perhaps why cows 
are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia 
ago
 
Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.)
 
Francis Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
"We 
  still had hamburgers for dinner that night," he said. "The odds of 
  being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying 
  of mad cow disease."Interestingly, there is some science behind 
  thespeculation that something like a prion protovirus mayhave been 
  carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,since life on Earth seems to 
  have developed within 400Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, 
  sincethere are also models for a rapid RNA world that 
  mightwork.Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was notbrought 
  by a meteorite though, since it is toohost-specific. Unless there are cows 
  in space. Nowthat would make interesting meteorites. :)Francis 
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  out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 
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