AW: [meteorite-list] Misrepresentation in Ad to Sell Meteorite on eBay
Yes Dave, you're right. Also I did sell a Warrenton a few months ago. As always there is a rule to follow: There are sellers and there are sellers. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Carothers Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. August 2006 16:10 An: meteorite list; Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Betreff: [meteorite-list] Misrepresentation in Ad to Sell Meteorite on eBay All, There is a misrepresentation in a current ad running on eBay for Warrenton,Missouri/Large micro meteorite, item number 290023409215; seller illinoismeteorites - Steve (Chicago) Arnold. To quote from the ad... The TKW is 45.4 kilo's,but there has never been any forsale. While specimens of this particular meteorite are not frequently sold, there are a number of documented instances where specimens have been made available for sale or auctionm thus making the above statement a falsehood. I call upon Steve (Chicago) Arnold to remedy this misrepresentation in his eBay ad. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
Perhaps smth like that? http://www.spessartit.de/7_bar.jpg (brecciated baryte in goethite) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von batkol Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 17:32 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is this, really http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ2600238 84135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React toPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Bah the solar system is in ruin! dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. I'm not a native speaker, so help me to find the right term. orbitally challenged planet? massively challenged planet? populatedly challenged planet? bureaucratically challenged planet? Buckleboo! Martin http://www.dwarfism.org/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Luna 16 material for sale on web?
Ähem, what's going on there? http://www.cosmos.pnet.pl/buj%20online.htm Buckleboo? Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] How many Hexahedrites are there?
Not to forget Boguslavka! One of the only 6 observed falls and, as observed iron falls are rare, with its 256kg the second largest iron fall behind Sikhote-Alin. Only 2 pieces felt and they fit together. Both are exhibited in the famous Fersman-Musum in Moscow. Picture here: www.fmm.ru/meteoritesen/bogusen.htm Chladni's Heirs are customizing at the moment collector-friendly partslices, some with true fusion crust. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. August 2006 11:34 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] How many Hexahedrites are there? Hi Anne, I guess you don't have that attractive mini Coahuila specimen any more since you didn't mention it :-( !!! I've seen several big slices of this hexahedrite IIAB (IIA according to Jeff's database is the official MetBase classification) recently being sold recently. Also, Blaine had a full slice fit for a king's museum that truly is the greatest stuff of my dreams, and Martin and Matteo has one posted (not for sale) for all to appreciate: http://www.meteorite.com/gallery/mh_coahuila.jpg , http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/photos/COAHUILA_matteo2.JPG . I'd really like to trade for this locality if anyone is interested, please let me know. Best wishes, Doug Anne wrote: Hello Tim, There are a few available. Here is a picture of Huaytiquina (Argentina). With a great jagged shock vein. http://www.impactika.com/images/Huaytiq.jpg I also have a couple slice of Fredericksburg. I can take pictures of those if you wish. It would be later today or tomorrow. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: Re-3: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet?
A fascinating idea! Brilliant theory, Matthias! The Celts were beer brewers, Corma, they called it and drafted it already from wooden barrels, as the Bavarians do. Remember until the beginning of 20th century the beer was dark. Why? If we imagine, that cometary matter contains much carbon, and the Chiemgau-Celts felt the urge to eat up the divine matter falling from sky; btw not an uncommon behaviour remember the people of Novo-Urei or Thuathe and they stirred the crumbly matter into the beer, then it became dark. (The light-coloured beer came into vogue not before a Bavarian master brewer emigrated to Pilsen and invented the light beer Pilsener style, which rapidly had its triumphal procession around the globe (another perversion was, when the Americans invented a water with the colour of beer, which is called Bud after the town Budweis near Pilsen). Now Matthias, take this very special and astonishing ritual, the enthnographists observe here in Bavaria: The so called Masskrugaufsetzen - to put on the beerstein (like a hat) often found, when the tribes meet to drink beer together at e.g. the Oktoberfest in Munich. The ritual requires that the members of the tribes render homage to the fetish beer in incorporating the largest possible quantity, usually 1.5 gallons, until they fall in trance. In this state they start to smash the enormous beersteins over eachothers skulls. Matthias! It is evident! On the one hand you have the worship of the achievement of The BEER in combination with the pain of your head caused by a downwards from the sky directed motion. What else can this be as an unconscious reflex of the collective memory on the past event of 465 b.C. when the ancestors suffered this horrible cometary hail, which finally helped them to the cultural advance to get the beer dark!!! Sooo meteoritefolks. Whenever youre shaping your body with the consumption of beer, remember, its due to a cometary impact. Buckleboo! Martin PS: I guess soon it will be time to order the room for the Munich-Show-Evening. Anyone to come there? Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 18:38 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: AW: Re-3: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet? Hello Martin List, so that seems to be the reason for the unreachable front-position of Bavaria, compared with all the other, less developed German regions: the Gold of the Black Bav ..., ahm, sorry: the Black Gold of the Bavarian Celts! Actually I always took that as a term for the strong dark Bavarian Beer ... Well, the terminus technicus for those round crater-like forms of glacial origin is, I guess, Toteislöcher in German (and probably something like Dead-Ice-Holes in English? - which has completely nothing to do with the Dirt-Ice-Comets ;-) Best, Matthias __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Lunar Burn
I guess green, cause the receptors in our eyes are most sensitive for this colour. Buckleboo! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Meteorite Game Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. August 2006 00:08 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lunar Burn What color would a lunar meteor give off in the atmosphere? If I'm not mistaken their basalt? Could a probability factor be given to pass and future meteors showing the probability of a meteor being lunar? With a high probability factor would this not aid meteorite hunters to make a recovery of a lunar meteorite? Cordially, Rick __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Kalkaska
Hi George, the best free online-source for the basic data (and more) for meteorites is the searchable Meteoritical Bulletin Database. It is self-explaining and easy to use. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von G. Nicula Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 13:37 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Kalkaska Wow! Thanks to all of you for your help. I think I need to be brought up to speed on database material. Besides Rocks From Space and a few other amatuer must-haves, what kinds of catalogued data should I have so I don't have to come to the list every time I want to research a meteorite? And of course where can I aquire such things? I live within a few miles of the Kalkaska find and visited the site the other day. I'm in the process of contacting the surrounding land owners, but it seems much has changed in the last 60 years. A very large portion of the immediate area was planted with cornrows of red pine within the last forty years or so. Wish me luck. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Kalkaska Hi George and List, I'm looking for any information regarding the Kalkaska find (Michigan, 1947, medium octahedrite). An image of the main mass or perhaps its location would be helpful. It's a stretch I'm sure, but you never know. Here are some passages from Buchwald with regard to the Kalkaska iron. Maybe this is helpful. Best wishes, Bernd Kalkaska, Michigan, U.S.A. 44° 38' 49 N, 85° 08' 12 W Medium octahedrite, Om. Bandwidth 1.00±0.15 mm. Group IIIA. 7.4% Ni, about 0.1% P, 18.1 ppm Ga, 33.5 ppm Ge, 11 ppm Ir. HISTORY A mass of 9.4 kg (20.7 pounds) was plowed up in 1947 or 1948 by A.R. Sieting, about 10 km south-southwest of Kalkaska, in Kalkaska County. The field had been cultivated for over 30 years, so the sound of the cultivator blades striking metal was quite unexpected. The mass was shown to various peoples and to schools, before it was presented, in 1964, to Michigan State University where it was described with a photo- graph of the exterior and a photomacrograph by Chamberlain (1965) who also gave further details of the find. COLLECTIONS Abrams Planetarium, Michigan State University, East Lansing (main mass), Washington (759 g). DESCRIPTION The irregular mass has the approximate overall dimensions 18 x 15 x 9 cm, and it shows numerous well developed regmaglypts 10-20 mm in size. Locally, deeper holes are carved out, as for instance, 10 mm deep with an aperture of 20 x 15 mm. The mass is covered by a brown oxide crust from terrestrial corrosion, but the fusion crust may still be observed in various places. Etched sections display a medium Widmanstätten structure of straight, long kamacite lamellae with a width of 1.00±0.15 mm ... the plessite fields are degenerated and contain only little taenite. Schreibersite is not common ... Rhabdites are present in many kamacite lamellae, but they are small, generally less than 2 µ thick. Troilite occurs as angular and lenticular bodies, ... frequently enveloped in 0.5-1 mm swathing kamacite ... The troilite contains daubreelite as 50-200 µ wide bars that are often brecciated together with the troilite itself. Isolated daubréelite, or possibly brezinaite, grains occur as angular crystals, 10-40 µ in size, in the kamacite. Veinlets of troilite extend into the metallic matrix, ... contain breccias of troilite with minor amounts of daubréelite that are set in a matrix of terrestrial corrosion products. The breccia-filled fissures mainly follow schreibersite-filled grain boundaries; it appears that the cracks were created at a remote shock event and that shattered debris from the troilite nodules partly filled them up. Open as they were, they became an easy prey for percolating, terrestrial ground water. Kalkaska is a shocked medium octahedrite which appears to be related to Costilla Peak and Boxhole. It is a low-nickel low-phosphorus member of group IIIA. Specimen in the U.S. National Museum in Washington: 759 g slice (no. 3217, 10 x 5 x 2.4 cm) Reference: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 2 , pp. 707-709. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet?
Hi Ed, not to dissapoint you, but since decades the Chiemgau-impact is brought up again and again, though until now not a sinlge scientific relevant proof was found or delivered, neither for the presumed impact pits and craters, nor for the recovered samples, which turned out to be terrestrial. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von E.P. Grondine Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 15:53 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet? Hi Larry, List - It appears we have at least one other comet sample: Cheimgau. good hunting, Ed --- Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: Defending Tim Swindle and Humberto Campins. I have known them for years and they are very conservative scientists. Their work is good and they are well- respected scientists. They do not go off (too often) to make wild, unsubstantiated, claims., hence, the conclusions in their article. They based their Meteorite paper (and their original scientific paper) on what we know. We have observations of many comets (Campins has done a lot of this), but we have samples from only one comet (Halley), are just now studying Stardust material (so too early to say much), and IDPs which are thought to be, at least in part, cometary in origin. Clearly, we need multiple samples from multiple comets --- good luck in our lifetime. Therefore you base your theories on the existing information, not onwhat you hope to have in the future. That is why people propose new missions to comets and asteroids! We know that not all comets are the same based on our observations and where we think they came from. Some of this may be because of how many times they have been close to the Sun, some may have to be related to where they came from (Kuiper Belt or Oort cloud), and some may have to do with where they were formed (which may not have been where we see them coming from). Clearly, a chunk of a fresh comet would look very different from a dead comet. Or, as been on this listserv recently, could we tell the difference between a chunk of a comet or a piece of Ceres? I am not sure I would be willing to say anything in print even though I have studied Ceres for years. What, from either, would we expect to make it through the atmosphere? Even if we were to bring back samples from two or three comets, I doubt if anyone I know would be willing to say (with respect to the composition of comets) that that was their final answer. That is the nature of science. I really have to stop writing these a 5:00 in the morning, no breakfast and no soffee, but this is the quiet time of the day. Larry Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Comets ... being 'primitive material' ... we would need to have known multiple samples of multiple comets before we could say for sure. Hi Mark and List, I couldn't agree more and that's why I felt a bit uneasy when I read Campins' and Swindle's article in this issue of our METEORITE magazine: CAMPINS H. and SWINDLE T.D.(2006) Where are the cometary meteorites? (Meteorite, May 2006, Vol. 12, No.2, pp. 17-19). They solely refer repeatedly to Comet Halley and to Halley dust (plus to cometary IDPs). Many more comets need to be sampled before we can draw definite conclusions! Best, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet?
Hi Ed, the problem with the Chiemgau-debate is, that it is so old, that the discussion seems to be driven predominantly by the human factor and not by science anymore. Personal attacks of the different involved groups seem to make a rational analysis of this issue impossible. Some say they have clear evidence, but don't want to show the samples, other seem to care more about the personal reputation of the adversary group members than about research, others choose as place for publication rather TV and media and not the usual journals... - a mess (partially paid by the German tax-payer). The so called craters were identified by the Geologischen Landesamt as glacial - sorry I don't find the terminus technicus in English now, I think kettle is the right word? - and some as antique bloomeries. There is also a small, quite circulate lake and one scientist claims to have thin sections from shocked quartz from there, but never published it. The metal finds around there contain no nickel (and as no meteoritic material could be found, the fans of the impact scenario seems to have switched to a theory of a comet fragment exploded at high altitudes, which dynamically seems not to work (there I'm not an expert)). And finally the ominous presolar FeSi-pellets contain no cosmogene noble gases, nor do the O-isotopes show an extraterrestrial origin. They are found also elsewhere, not only in Chiemgau and are most probably industrial pollution. That's what I heard so far, but I'm sure that Dieter Heinlein, who was somewhat involved in that issue, can give you better details. A funny thing I have to tell more. Obviously some of the impact-camps played with the online impact effect calculator and from the results they made a dramatic pseudo-documentary. There you could see the Celts of Chiemgau in 465 b.C. (some of the experts achieved to calculate the exact date of the fall - here I see the motivation in the before discussed crater in Northern Italy, which was connected with the vision of emperor Constantine, the cross in the sky...). And the sky was falling on their heads. Fortunately the falling fire brought also some iron with it, so that the Celts of Chiemgau profited in a sudden step forward in civilization and technology. The metal was attributed as The Black Gold of the Celts.. ...ähem and so on. That documentary was shown in one of the main TV-channels at Sunday primetime. Effect, several people believed each brown stone in their gardens to be a meteorite and the Black Gold of the Celts. One very enthusiastic finder you will still find trying to sell his meteorites on German ebay. (He learned, meanwhile he's selling also Mars-chondrites, CIs, and fossils of animals killed by impacts (not Ries-Belemnites)). http://kuerzer.de/gosh1 http://kuerzer.de/gosh2 Enjoy! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von E.P. Grondine Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 16:22 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet? Hi Martin, That's news to me. I don't have the URL at hand to give you for the initial study, but the isotopic evidence the U Wurzburg team presented then was pretty good. I have not seen any refutations yet - I may have missed them. Do you have a URL handy for them? good hunting, Ed --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed, not to dissapoint you, but since decades the Chiemgau-impact is brought up again and again, though until now not a sinlge scientific relevant proof was found or delivered, neither for the presumed impact pits and craters, nor for the recovered samples, which turned out to be terrestrial. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von E.P. Grondine Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 15:53 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet? Hi Larry, List - It appears we have at least one other comet sample: Cheimgau. good hunting, Ed --- Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: Defending Tim Swindle and Humberto Campins. I have known them for years and they are very conservative scientists. Their work is good and they are well- respected scientists. They do not go off (too often) to make wild, unsubstantiated, claims., hence, the conclusions in their article. They based their Meteorite paper (and their original scientific paper) on what we know. We have observations of many comets (Campins has done a lot of this), but we have samples from only one comet (Halley), are just now studying Stardust material (so too early to say much), and IDPs which are thought to be, at least in part, cometary in origin. Clearly, we need multiple samples from multiple comets --- good luck in our lifetime. Therefore you base your theories
AW: [meteorite-list] New Quiz
Not a hard task, it's Korngasse 006 Buckleboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Christian Anger Gesendet: Montag, 21. August 2006 22:16 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] New Quiz Hi all, a new Quiz is on time ! Just a break for the boring Plutons List That's it: It is located in Austria. see www.austromet.com/trips/xxx1.jpg and www.austromet.com/trips/xxx2.jpg (it was raining, therefore the specimen was wet) happy guessing, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad-Question CO3
But only if I have the honour to pay the insured private courier shipment and a huge membrane box !! :-) (similar requests and hagglings all German dealers had to experience from time to time here in Germany, when there the last 2 years the stinginess-is-stylish-hysteria was raging. Now it's much better again, a new government, which the media pushed, a nice soccer championship - thus people started to get normal again) Buckleboo! Martin (da nest-defiler as we say in German) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von stan . Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juli 2006 04:21 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Ad-Question CO3 What would be a reasonable price for fresh Kainsaz?? 1$/g - just box it up and send it my way. I'll send you a paypal for whatever it weighs. ;) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] meat-eorite
Norway seems to be in a meteorite hysteria now, I'm glad that I'm not an Norwegian expert... Imagine, what they'll have to suffer soon from hundreds of wrong alerts because of the perseids! MikeMorten, my condolence to you in advance :-) Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Juli 2006 08:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meat-eorite Hi, What's the classification? I suppose it would have to be carbonacious... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] meat-eorite I was searching the English side of http://www.aftenposten.no; to see if I could find anything new about the new fall, and came up with this article: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article516591.ece UFO was ... a cat Most observations of mysterious flying objects in the sky are eventually identified and explained, but the UFO and suspected meteorite over Lardal, Norway got the highly unusual solution of being attributed to a cat. Observers heard an explosion and spotted a fireball in the night sky over Lardal on March 14. Now authorities have managed to puzzle out the evidence, and say a housecat caused the sighting, NRK Vestfold reports. Sheriff Lars Helge Sogn believes a cat climbed up a high-tension power line and burst into flames after striking the high voltage cable with its tail. The heat from the short circuit caused the wooden mast to burn, and it is most likely this that appeared to be a fireball on the horizon on the night of the mysterious sighting. The local electricity company recorded no power outage due to the fire, which made it harder to unravel the mystery. But the discovery of a dead cat under the power mast made them double-check, and a four-second glitch in their records was found on the evening of the 14th. Before the feline solution the local sheriff had contacted Oslo University astrophysicists, only to find that eyewitness reports of a fireball lasting up to half an hour could not be a landing meteorite. Cats don't burn so long either, but part of the wooden mast set alight by the unlucky tabby is now considered to be the explanation for the local mystery. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Question CO3
Hola list, as the Norway-fall probably will be CO3 and weh ad also the fall weights of the other carbonaceous discussed here on the list, a question oppresses me. Since many years I'm sitting on a slice of Kainsaz, which I want to get move now. Well Kainsaz costed in past on the dealers' pages usually 50-150$/g, until the Russians made a few years ago their new finds. You may will remember how, well shall I say, optimistically they overestimated the absorption power of ebay, and cramed the US-ebay in a short period with slices and cuts, so that the price soon dropped to a ridiculous low level - much cheaper than any desert CO3. A certain amount of that Kainsaz-orgy is still up for resale and several dealers webpages, of course cheaper than in the pre-Russian times. The new finds are internally weathered, no surprise after so many time in the ground (remember the Space van Gogh-Kainsazes..). My problem is, that my Kainsaz is fresh and unweathered. It would be inaquedate to offer it at the price of the weathered one - on the other hand, if I take a higher price, the collectors will moan about me to be an extortioner, so my question: What would be a reasonable price for fresh Kainsaz?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Norway here we come!
Hi Dean, Matt et al. and all, We don't have to forget, that if a special law explicitly mentioning meteorites does exist in a country, then it is a great exception. Most countries don't have productive areas, wherefrom meteorites occur, and politicians and the judiciary aren't different from other people too: They simply don't know, what a meteorite is and never would get the idea to enact an extra law for meteorites, when there every 30 years or so a little stone is found. Norway is not a desert state, it has 11 meteorites since Chladni found out, what a meteorite is. So I doubt that it has any law concerning the removal or export of meteorites and a way to subsume such a stone from space to existing laws would first have to be found. Very sure I am, that no embassy there would be able to give you a correct answer. I remember well the difficulties to determine the legal status of the Neuschwanstein meteorite, which fell a few years ago here in Germany. Germany is the country of Chladni, has very old institutional collections, has 4 times more findsfalls than Norway and is known to be a silly sick overregulated country with a Kafkaesque jungle of laws, regulations and precedents (which sometimes even overrule physical laws of nature). Hence, if such a country, where people e.g. have a legal right for a temperature of 20°C on the toilets at their place of employment and where on the countryside the roosters are sentenced to crow on weekdays only from 7 a.m. on, but on weekend and on holydays not before 8 a.m., hence if even there doesn't exist a law for meteorites, why should be then there a law in Norway? For the Neuschwanstein stones they found out, that they are no exploitable treasures of the soil, nor archaeological cultural items, nor mushrooms and berries to be picked, and finally found a law handling with natural monuments of the soil. Well, so one part belonged to the finders, the other half to the land owner. A few km away, as those laws are federal laws, one would have had to prove other laws. Meteorites are so extremely rare (and have no economical relevance), that I guess, that in the very most countries do not only exist no laws concerning them, but also, that never someone had the idea to concern oneself with the question under which laws a meteorite could fall. And of course at an embassy they won't be able to give you a binding disclosure :-) Anyway, I suppose that only by great chance there will be found more stones of that fall, our expedition team is on the way home again, so that those questions won't have to be answered. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Juli 2006 23:29 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norway here we come! --- Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot, but I've spoken with 2 Norwegian's who hunt artifacts there and they assure me you cannot legally remove items of natural history without permit. This is hearsay, but I trust their word. Matt I dont know Norway's meteorite laws but I suspect that the only law that would cause farmer any problems is UNESCO which norway is a part of. Pretty much every country has laws preventing certain items considered Cultural property from being exported nowadays. UNESCO is is a wishy washy accord where countries can pretty much interpret as they please and can make anything they want to be cultural property - used chewing gum if they wanted to could be made illegal to export under UNESCO laws. Some countries (Like Canada, India and asutralia) has meteorites listed as cultural property and require export permits under UNESCO and other signatory countries to UNESCO is in theory supposed to return the items if asked, others (Like Oman, Morocco and the USA) do not and dont require export permits under UNESCO. I am sure that what Matt said above is true. In fact it would be extremly unusual if it wasnt true. However, wither it is illegal to export meteorites from Norway depends on if Norway has meteorite laws. And if it wasnt considered Cultural property or otherwise fall under UNESCO rules even if there were export laws they probably couldent be enforced once they were actually removed from the country. Of course, international laws concerning this is complicated (And often convuleted), there could be bilateral agreements in place ect, and also different countries will treat the import differently (And often how differently will depend on how well they get on with the other government and the governments desire to promote special interests and have nothing to do with actual laws). So while Matt is surely right in his statement above that dont necessarily mean that meteorites can or cannot be legally exported from Norway. But if somebody really wants to know Norways stance on this there is an easy way for you to find
[meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Collectors, enthusiasts, list! The searching delegation of Chladni's Heirs* just returned from a 6-days-trip in Norway on the hunt for the new fall. We set up a little website with an illustrated report: http://www.meteoriten.com/norway.html *Chladni's Heirs was planned to be officially launched after a summer break, now with this actual event you will already got to know our brand's name. Chladni's Heirs is an amalgamation of your (hopefully soon) preferred meteorite dealers: Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren Martin Altmann founded for the purpose to bundle their strengths to serve the collectors even better than before, to assist them in all concerns more accurate and faster and to offer them the enlarged and full palette of meteorites: irons, rare and aesthetic common desert types, historic finds and falls at best quality and competitive prices. Although the official launch will be dated later, we already accept congratulations :-) Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs will take part in the Tucson show 2007 And now we sing: There's a mineral shop down our street, It's run by a German, And they sells good things to collect, But you should hear him speak, When you ask him anything, Never answers No, He just yesses you to death, And as he takes your dough he tells you: Refrain: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! Things were going well with him, He wrote home to say, Send me Patrick and Peter and Jim, I need them right away, When he got them in the shop, There was fun, you bet, 'Cause when you asked them anything, They answered in quartet: Oh, And now all together: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Hi Moni, if they won't behave, like that European team from a country starting with P trampling through the gardens ploughing up the flowerbeds under the eyes of the dumbfounded house owners, I wish all success to the American party. Hmm, the song will work with the melody of CohnSilver: Yes, we have no bananas today, 1923 But later I guess, we will compose a new one :-) Buckl...oops, no, better now: Kindest Regards Chladni's Heirs Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von moni Waiblinger-Seabridge Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 00:29 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report Hi list members, Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann and Morten Bilet, Thank you for this report!!! Its so wonderful to find out more of this fall without having to spend all this money to get there, unless of course one finds a piece! Well, let's see how our American friends will do! ;-) With best regards, Moni PS. Martin, what is the melody for this song? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Bob, you may asl Simon Camm, 6 years ago he head such a GOT 18 for sale, so he should know more about. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bob King Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 15:33 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Got 18 meteorite question Hi listees, I recently acquired a slice of a meteorite from the Sahara called Got 18 or 18 Got. It was found in 1998 and classified as an LL4. That's all the information I have and a search in the Meteoritical database does not show anything under that listing. Does anyone know anything about this one? Was it renamed later on? Thanks for your help, Bob (whose TKW is slowly increasing with time ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessinggame
Some short google search - some CO3-crust pics. Lancé: http://www.mnhn.fr/expo/meteorite/index/img/france/lance.jpg http://www.meteorite.ch/en/oriented/Oriented/lance.jpg Ornans: http://www.mnhn.fr/expo/meteorite/index/img/france/ornans.jpg Kainsaz http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/images/kainsaz/DSCN5251-cp.jpg http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/images/kainsaz/DSCN5252-cp.jpg http://www.fmm.ru/metpictures/kainsas.jpg http://www.ksu.ru/gmku/images/64.jpg Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Horejsi Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 14:46 An: Adam Hupe Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessinggame On 7/17/06, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crust is wrong for a CO3. The famous Out House Hammer Stone, I can smell history in the making! Hi Adam, In what way do you think the crust is wrong for a CO3? Just curious. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame
http://fernlea.tripod.com/kainsaz2.jpg And that Kainsaz has no cracks... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 20:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame Here is a great image on Mike Farmer's site that shows the contraction cracks on a CO3 fall, Thank you Martin Altmann for providing this link earlier. If you look very closely, you will see the faint webwork of contraction cracks so typical of CO3s: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/images/kainsaz/DSCN5252-cp.jpg Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessinggame Hi Martin and All, I don not think images are a good way to ascertain classifications but in this case I took a S.W.A.G. at it in the interest of fun. I think the crust is wrong for a CO3 because virtually every sample of a CO3 I have seen has very fine contraction cracks, some do not even penetrate as deep as the matrix. These cracks show up in detailed images. These cracks are absent in the enhanced image provided by a List member taken from an article on the new fall. The color of CO3 type crusts is usually semi-gloss black, never flat black like the one in the image. In my opinion, the crusts are always uniformly thin on a CO3 and never velvet-like and patchy. I think many feel it is a CO3 based on the numerous very small chondrules and not the crust. I agree the chondrules are too small for an LL, CV, CR, CK or even an L. They are too numerous for a CM2 which are sparsely populated. This leaves only CO, H or Anom types as candidates. I picked an H type because I have seen examples with exceedingly small chondrules, velvet like flat black crusts and friable matrixes. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crust is wrong for a CO3. The famous Out House Hammer Stone, I can smell history in the making! Hi Adam, In what way do you think the crust is wrong for a CO3? Just curious. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame
Problem is, we have only 5 fresh CO3 falls, and there aren't so much pics around Hmm did you note, that small specimens do have more often contraction cracks than larger ones? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 21:24 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame Nor is it flat black and velvety. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame http://fernlea.tripod.com/kainsaz2.jpg And that Kainsaz has no cracks... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 20:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame Here is a great image on Mike Farmer's site that shows the contraction cracks on a CO3 fall, Thank you Martin Altmann for providing this link earlier. If you look very closely, you will see the faint webwork of contraction cracks so typical of CO3s: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/images/kainsaz/DSCN5252-cp.jpg Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessinggame Hi Martin and All, I don not think images are a good way to ascertain classifications but in this case I took a S.W.A.G. at it in the interest of fun. I think the crust is wrong for a CO3 because virtually every sample of a CO3 I have seen has very fine contraction cracks, some do not even penetrate as deep as the matrix. These cracks show up in detailed images. These cracks are absent in the enhanced image provided by a List member taken from an article on the new fall. The color of CO3 type crusts is usually semi-gloss black, never flat black like the one in the image. In my opinion, the crusts are always uniformly thin on a CO3 and never velvet-like and patchy. I think many feel it is a CO3 based on the numerous very small chondrules and not the crust. I agree the chondrules are too small for an LL, CV, CR, CK or even an L. They are too numerous for a CM2 which are sparsely populated. This leaves only CO, H or Anom types as candidates. I picked an H type because I have seen examples with exceedingly small chondrules, velvet like flat black crusts and friable matrixes. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crust is wrong for a CO3. The famous Out House Hammer Stone, I can smell history in the making! Hi Adam, In what way do you think the crust is wrong for a CO3? Just curious. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame
Or perhaps, cause the smaller specimens break of later in the air, can develope only a thinner crust, which contracts easier than a thicker one? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 21:47 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame Hmm did you note, that small specimens do have more often contraction cracks than larger ones? More surface area to mass in the case of small objects. Interesting observation. Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame Problem is, we have only 5 fresh CO3 falls, and there aren't so much pics around Hmm did you note, that small specimens do have more often contraction cracks than larger ones? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 21:24 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteoriteclassificationguessinggame Nor is it flat black and velvety. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame http://fernlea.tripod.com/kainsaz2.jpg And that Kainsaz has no cracks... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2006 20:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classificationguessinggame Here is a great image on Mike Farmer's site that shows the contraction cracks on a CO3 fall, Thank you Martin Altmann for providing this link earlier. If you look very closely, you will see the faint webwork of contraction cracks so typical of CO3s: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection/images/kainsaz/DSCN5252-cp.jpg Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessinggame Hi Martin and All, I don not think images are a good way to ascertain classifications but in this case I took a S.W.A.G. at it in the interest of fun. I think the crust is wrong for a CO3 because virtually every sample of a CO3 I have seen has very fine contraction cracks, some do not even penetrate as deep as the matrix. These cracks show up in detailed images. These cracks are absent in the enhanced image provided by a List member taken from an article on the new fall. The color of CO3 type crusts is usually semi-gloss black, never flat black like the one in the image. In my opinion, the crusts are always uniformly thin on a CO3 and never velvet-like and patchy. I think many feel it is a CO3 based on the numerous very small chondrules and not the crust. I agree the chondrules are too small for an LL, CV, CR, CK or even an L. They are too numerous for a CM2 which are sparsely populated. This leaves only CO, H or Anom types as candidates. I picked an H type because I have seen examples with exceedingly small chondrules, velvet like flat black crusts and friable matrixes. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The crust is wrong for a CO3. The famous Out House Hammer Stone, I can smell history in the making! Hi Adam, In what way do you think the crust is wrong for a CO3? Just curious. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game
17 Stones will have been recovered, Total weight 11,430 grams. Next category would be to guess the price 200$/g ? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jim Strope Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 00:27 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game My guesses: CO3 of course 3169 grams TKW Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a large area and I predict many stones will be found. Great idea Mike whether you know it or not. New challenge for everyone to play: Guess the Total recovered weight of this fall. Absolute closest to the first published number wins (unless one of you wiser members out there has a better idea). I'll start. My guess is 2345.67 grams. Robert, can you keep track of this game as well? Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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First visit: http://www.meteoritt.no/meteor.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Göran Axelsson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 01:08 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game Matson, Robert wrote: Hi All, Is someone keeping track of all the guesses for the classification of the new Norwegian fall? ;-) I guess I can go back through the archives and collect them all. Based purely on statistics of falls, I'd be disinclined to join the chorus and pick carbonaceous chondrite. An ordinary chondrite is far more probable. That said, this doesn't much look like an H- or L-chondrite. But equilibrated LL works for me. If I had to pick a carbonaceous type, I would rule out CB, CH, CI, CM, CV and CR. That leaves only CO and CK, and it looks more like a CK to my eye than CO. CKs are also very paramagnetic. --Rob Paramagnetic? Are you shure you don't mean ferromagnetic? Paramagnetic is a very weak form of magnetic attraction, for example aluminium which is a strong paramagnetic material. The type of magnetism displayed by iron and nickel is called ferromagnetic. I'm not trying to bring back the old magnetic discussion again, just commenting on a detail. I'm trying to decide if I will go to Norway or not, I have some things to do but I could go there in a few days. I will probably go in the end, a fall this close isn't happening too often but I have other things to do... In any case, this is interesting. :-) /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] BCC fake on ebay
Is it necessary for a good reputation to be mentiones on their list of ignorant conspirers? Just a thought.. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 17:10 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] BCC fake on ebay These freaks could solve all of this controversy by submitting some of their moon rock to real scientist. I find that people who pick and choose what information to believe and who to dole samples out to can't handle the truth. BCC is a scam, it is not a moon rock, they refuse to let real scientists study it, you figure it out. Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:03 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC fake on ebay On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:59:16 +0200 (CEST), you wrote: Dr. Korotev has put up a page in response to the claims that S Ray Desomokedtoomuchcrack made in his latest auction (250007471986). It mentions the list. http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/bcc.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite fallingonFriday!
Kainsaz! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 12:06 An: mark ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite fallingonFriday! or murchison Mat --- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ... Looks very like Allende! MF -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 July 2006 03:19 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite falling onFriday! More good images a story around the fall: http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/nyheter/meteoritt_0706/meteoritt_0706.html Bjørn Sørheim CO3 ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
Hi Charlie, and as the Meteoritical Bulletin has no subcategory in their data-sets, whether a find meteorite was dreamed or there was a helpful foreboding, I let the finders dream, what they want. If someone is so excited to have the possibility to recover a meteorite, why he shouldn't dream about. A coincidence. But one thing I know for sure, whenever I start to dream about meteorites, then it's definitely time for a vacation! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Juli 2006 03:05 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia Martin, Interesting that the stone plays the part it does. And the Dream? A Big Dream. Thanks for reminding me of it. BTW, I have no problem accepting the possibility that the gentleman from Australia was telling the truth. What Mike, and perhaps 99.9% of listmembers, see as an unfortunate embellishment, I see simply as a synchronicity. I'm sure any number of listmembers can elucidate on how naive and unscientific an opinion I hold, but if the concept was good enough for Jung and Wolfgang Pauli, then I won't be ashamed to entertain the notion! And I'm sure Haag would not have mentioned his own vivid dream if it's coincidence with his discovery of the howardite had not struck him as personally significant at the time. Sometimes it's better to accept what the universe delivers to you and not worry too much if it does not conform to current understanding. IMHO. And Buckleboo! to you too! Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Well said David ;-) Also in my cellar are waiting some boxes with stones to be saved for science... No seriously, I have difficulties to understand the hens' huddle like kerfuffle in that discussion, nor the substance of it seems to be smth else than a little Killgore-bashing. He wanted to raise some funds, so that the UA can acquire some meteorites and he wanted to establish a classification service. Until now, he obviously didn't cope to get it running. If it won't work at all - so what? That he made some ballyhoo (also with some silly statements) for raising funds, is that a so severe breach? And if his project will work - what then would be the bottomline? AU or SWMC, call it like you want, would be nothing else than one single institutional collection more, which buys meteorites. One among others, that's all. I can't see there a reason for hysteria. Institutional collections always were buying meteorites. Nowadays not so many anymore as still in the 90ies, when some hunters made a modest fortune with desert finds, but where do you think all the large meteorite collections in the museums and universities all over the world stem from? They were purchased or donated. That is the most normal thing in the world of meteorites! Wasn't ASU once buying Nininger's collection, wasn't the Polar Research in Tokyo purchasing Zeitschel's collection, wasn't Brezina knuckles rapped, cause he spend to much money for acquiring meteorites for the Vienna collection,...and so on? Now then, where is the sensation? And what shall those illogical speculations about the effects for the collectors? That, if the SMWC will work, no meteorites wouldn't be available anymore for the private collectors or that prices will raise to a level, where nobody can afford anymore to collect? And that in the same breath with the opinion that there would be hundreds and thousands of tons of meteorites in the desert, which would be lost for science else?? You must decide - either there are thousands of tons in the desert and in this case one has to open ones eyes a little bit more. Do you really think that the UA is such a mighty institution, that they could buy hundred and thousands of tons? Do you know that there exist other huge collections on Earth too? Anyway - it's not very likely, that there are so many meteorites to be saved...may you have a little look here: http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/meteorite-collections.htm 200 years of meteorite collecting, including Antarctica and hot desert.. and distributed on many huge institutional collections are 300 tons, 400tons - I don't know how many of the existing 581 tons are kept in institutional collections. So probably desert had produced until now only a few tons of material in total. And where should here be the problem, if Killgore will buy from now on ALL of those few tons?! Prices will raise also without Killgore within a few years, cause Sahara is over. Does that mean the end of all meteorite collecting? Folks, meteorite collecting existed already before NWA (NWA 001 was designed in 2001?) and before Sahara and Libya in the 90ies. Can't you hear the greybeards wistfully babbling about the good ol Golden Ages of collecting in Pre-NWA-times? They aren't senile, I know it well, meteorites were sold and bought and collected also in the 80ies! Really! Nor was meteorite collecting invented by Bob Haag, nor Nininger, it was established 150, 200 years before! So what shall this be all about. If once the SWMC will buy in large style meteorites, fine. The dealers could spend then better their time in hunting, recovering or purchasing much more meteorite, they wouldn't have the constraint always to sell the rarest stuff in bulk to the few collectors, who can afford it, but had time to prepare also nice small specimens for the collectors with smaller budget, hadn't to argue with collectors, who think that 10$/g for a R-chondrite Micro is daylight robbery a world in pink... If not, then we can dwell on on the list to call Killgore a loudmouth, But not now, now it's to early. And to struggle about some incorrect marginalia, as e.g. that it is rubbish, that meteorites would accumalte over millions of years in the deserts or that it was tactically unintelligent to drive for advertising his idea that sow through the village, that the nasty looters would plunder the deserts and the stones would be lost for science, because later he has to be reliant of those looters selling their stones to him, is imho a waste of webspace. Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?)
Bill, It's rather the pointing out of an excellent opportunity for the collectors, which to have missed, may cause regrets. It isn't that easy anymore to find such large Sikhotes, at fairs you will see only a few larger shrapnels, that's all. Franco's two specimens are cheaply priced, Russian ebay-style from 2-3 years ago. And they have the paperwork for export too. The essential difference to an Ad is, that if the pieces will be sold, I won't earn any pence with that sales and as I personally have no need for those pieces, I have no problems to share my competence with the perhaps not yet so experienced collectors, to tell my opinion about the quality and the price of these specimens, because if some of them perhaps are thinking about having once a bigger Sikhote in their collection, but waver, whether to buy now or rather in some years, it might happen, that they later won't find such large chunks anymore or have to pay a remarkably higher price. This list is about meteorites, but also about meteorite collecting. To laud exceptional meteorite specimens, even if they are for sale, or to recognize an outstanding commercial offer of a competitor, should be bad style? I doubt...but if the other list members share your opinion, I will better myself. And if you take it for an Ad, at least the frequency rule isn't hurt. There. But I'm happy also about the feedback about my other posts, which contain not such infamous commercial coercions...;-) Martin, the enthusiast Here a long sold example of a originally crusted Sikhote for your delight: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/Dec1.html Fusion crust on irons illustrated with pics, could be a good and necessary thread on da list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
Consetudinary would be: First the stone, then the dream. Gen 10ff And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up... ... And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 18:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia You wrote: But why do these people have to mar their wonderful finds with BS like that he dreamed about finding it only a few meters away the night before? That is simply stupid. On page 62 of The Robert Haag Collection of Meteorites, Private Collection Edition, Robert Haag wrote: Great Sand Sea 010. 302 grams total. Howardite achondrite. These five stones were found in one lucky day by the author after a vivid dream the night before. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
Yep, that's looking like a true meteorite! And with that fresh crust, certainly no hoax. Tooo pity that they have such strict export laws. Jeff - your case :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 19:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia Here's an article with a photo. Doesn't look like a meteorwrong this time http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19783617-30417,00.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites
I heard, that in some cases a microprobe is very helpful. But they are expensive - see: http://kuerzer.de/microprob Hmm, today Ken Regelman posted to the group, that he has developed a guideline for classifying types. Perhaps you can ask him? Do you have already O.Norton: The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites ? A fine book, where you can learn more about the different types. Comprehensive and well illustrated with pictures. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Walter L. Newton Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 23:06 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites Hi What are the steps that a lab takes to classify a meteorite? Are there any simple guidelines that we can use to get in the ballpark. An example. I cut and polish opals. We have charts to gauge the matrix color, the flash patterns in the stone, pictures that show examples of the different kinds of opal (white, crystal, semi-crystal, boulder, black opal etc.). Is there anything available for meteorites. The 3-7 numbers used to indicate chondrule density, how is that determined? Is it so many chondrules for a certain surface area? Is it the condition of the chondrules? If they are rating the stone from 3-7, then they must have some sort of metrics they use. I would imagine h-l-ll is determined by some sort of lab equipment. But is there some general information that can be used to at least give us an idea of magnetic attraction? I know I can take a handful of similar sized unclassified NWA's, and a magnet will have a strong, medium or very low attraction to these stones. Is this good enough to get an approximate idea of h-l-ll? Since I started this hobby about 3 months ago, I have purchased just about all of the popular books on the subject yet I don't recall seeing any charts or something on this subject. Thanks for reading. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co P.S. Any guidelines on how to slice meteorites? What I mean is, do you slice in a direction that gives you the most surface area, or in some direction that gives you the best view of the matrix and chondrules? Is there any way to know what direction will give you the best looking slice, showing the best looking innards. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites
No, it was only a joke, But to explain the criteria for the different types --- people wrote whole books about, because it isn't trivial. So an answer would be somewhat extremely long. Hence more simple it would be to read Norton's book, which is written a quite clear style, so that one can understand it well, without having a degree in mineralogy. If you plan to stay longer at meteorite collecting, it is well worth the invest - I'm collecting since a long time and I didn't regret to have bought it. An idea of the different types you may also get from David Weir's phantastic site: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ Martin PS: A typing can't be done totally without equipment, only guesses one can make. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Walter L. Newton Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2006 23:53 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] How they classify Meteorites Hi again... Martin answered... I heard, that in some cases a microprobe is very helpful. But they are expensive - see: http://kuerzer.de/microprob Hmm, today Ken Regelman posted to the group, that he has developed a guideline for classifying types. Perhaps you can ask him? Do you have already O.Norton: The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites? A fine book, where you can learn more about the different types. Comprehensive and well illustrated with pictures. Buckleboo! Martin I understand the different types, what my question was getting at is how much typing can we do without expensive lab equipment? Or is every phase of meteorite typing done with lab equipment. Walter L. Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?)
Hi Steve, list price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal So I recommend to take Michel Francos Sikhotes, one is even cheaper and the other one a larger one relatively tooo. And the have all paperwork. Regards! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Schoner Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 23:11 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?) Mark, The reason I keep bringing it up is because you had issued a warning to the list that this might be a meteorwrong after you went out and saw the piece. You did not state your reasons clearly regarding your observations of this specimen. It sure looks like a meteorite to me, and in fact it looks like Sikhote Alin. That was my observation of it based on the photos that the seller provided. Now, if it is a new fall and in fact a meteorite (iron) then the sale price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal. As for cutting this specimen to make a determination, that is no big deal. If is an iron, a simple piece of about 20 grams etched will satisfy the question that you raised to the list. meteorite or meteorwrong As for its origin or site origin that would take other tests, and that is no big deal either. UCLA I am sure would do that determination. Steve Schoner AMS IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
I'd guess that there are some differences. Exotic and tricky material will be more accurate classified at institutions, which have more experience with exotics. Ordinary chondrites require less efforts and equipment, there wouldn't be a remarkable difference. Whether human factors may play a role, e.g. that one group has a better standing at the NomCom than another, I don't know. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 11:12 An: Arriere Ban; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE Well, as far as quality of different services go I dont think there is much difference. The meteoritical society has an extremily high standard before they will accept a classification and everybody submitting classifications needs certain expertise and equipment. The real problem is in speed - or indeed even the ability to get something classified. Most institutions are so backed up with classifications that if you get a turnaround time in months you are lucky. Years is more likely before you get a result. However, most institutions are not ineterested in chondrites anymore just because of the workload. Ted Bunch had a decent pay classification service but got so backed up that he is no longer accepting new customers. I am hoping that this new service will help clear up some of the backlog and make it feisable for somebody to get their meteorites classified in a timely manner. Sincerely DEAN --- Arriere Ban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it would be interesting and quite informative to compare prices, conditions, speed and of course quality of different classification services available world wide. Does any-one has this info? Regards, Arriere --- dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the new millinium started everybody in the meteorite world has had a wonderful problem: To many meteorites. I think everybody who buys meteorites from me wants to know how to get a meteorite classified. Since I moved down under I have found a very enthusiastic and helpful meteorite community in this part of the world. I have teamed up with two institutions, the Bathurst Observatory and the University of Western Sydney and for a fee I expect that classifications can now be done in a timely and affordable manner. We are aiming for a month turnaround but we will see how that idea goes. I have meteorites waiting for as long as four years for a classification now so I suspect that there is a need for a classification service. See here for more details: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/class/classify.html My website still needs work but any dealer interested in submitting meteorites on behalf of their customers and in exchanging banners let me know. Anybody wanting a meteorite classified and submitted to the met society please send me an email. Sincerely DEAN BESSEY http://www.meteoriteshop.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Annual InternationalMeteorite Trade Turnover
Hi Jeff, Dave, List That's not only an interesting, but an essential question, when we read in press about the value of meteorites and hear the statements in the looting debates of recent times. As most of the most important retailers and certainly also several of the most mighty collectors are joining this very list, hence that here are assembled the largest number of protagonists of that, what some call the market, we should discuss it here, as contrary to those groups, who aggressively blame the private sector to wreak (financial) havoc to the countries, where most meteorites were removed and which operate with speculative and imho often excessively exaggerate figures to back their accusations, the list members here, may have more realistic insights and may it be be that our estimations could be reported also to that upcoming conference as a throw-in aiming to those fractions, which take also part in, who have instructed the executive of their countries, that the gram of a meteorite is traded in general at 10,000-20,000$ and deducted from that figures a wrong volume of the meteorite market. My guesses: I regard the sales of the retail market as the last end of the chain, hence all-in-all here the prices paid will be highest (but not necessarily always). Seen how few players are worldwide in the game, one could almost speak of a oligarchy, hehe, and how few specialised collectors do exist (and how many of them have a limited budget), I would estimate a much lower figure than Jeff. If one checks the visible sales in public, one finds out that regarding weight and number of sales, the lion's share of all sold stuff is captured by mass irons (and the 2 mass pallasites) and ordinary chondrites from the deserts, classified or unclassified. Most predominant among the mass irons is Campo, usually selling somewhere around 30-80$/kg. The Russians and downstream sellers were hard-working, but Sikhote is going to an end, large specimens are almost not offered anymore, Seymchan, Muonionalusta, Chinga, Brahin ect. there most pieces retailed aren't in the kg-range; then we have one or two Canyon Diablo suppliers; Gibeon is gone too since the export prohibition, Nantans and Pseudonantans are the cheapest.. Desert OCs if weathered and unclassified (or often, hehe, why noone took them??, classified from Oman) are sold in medium quantities somewhere between 50 and 100$, classified ones 100-250$, and the tip of the iceberg, those few W0-W1 around 400-1000$/kg. Classified cuts higher, but they are small and the flow-rate is meager. To come to such figures, as Jeff has, several hundreds of tons of that material must be sold per year. Well and here we have a problem. We can't generate 50 tons of Campo, 50 tons of Sikhote, 50 tons of Canyon, 50 tons of Taza each year, because they do not exist. Now we dive into the dense mist of Morocco and Oman. Recall Grossman's Grand Total of meteorites. From the recent 1200 years we have a total of 52 tons of ordinary chondrites. These 52 tons include all falls, all finds outside of Sahara and Oman, the huge amount of finds of 30 years hunting in Antarctica (which never accessed the market), the early classified desert finds from Pre-NWA-times, most Oman chondrites found, all classified NWAs. Now - even if you take a fantastic number, that only every 10th NWA-find will be classified and recorded, you never will even proximately approach those annual quantities necessary for you dozens of Mega$. Dean, if it's not to indiscrete (you don't have to confess here, that you are multimillionaire, hehe) weren't you the guy, who exported by far the most OCs from Mahgreb? Can you give us an idea, how many tons you got during all the years? Hence, what possibilities else could contribute to the estimation of the annual retail-volume? Yep. Historical finds and falls. They are more expensive. Look around on the dealers pages, look around on ebay. What do you see? Right. It is difficult to find Kilo-pieces offered for sale from Nakhla, Tagish Lake, Ensisheim ect. They don't grow on trees and traditionally are dealt in servings of a few grams. Remarkably large pieces of historical falls, and might it be only 1kg, aren't sold each day and of course they are paid with lower gram prices compared to little slices or micros. I write falls, because the historical finds, with sufficient large tkw and where a sufficient amount is free outside of the institutional and private collections, to be available in kg-pieces are paid with a few bucks. Aaaand, rare types from the desert. Here too, if I read the speculative figures of others, people seem to be blind concerning the total amounts of practically and theoretically available material, perhaps because of the number salad and the sheer visibility of the load of minute samples at the dealers pages and on ebay. Rare and rarest types are predominantly given to classifications by the dealers, because only with rare types one can currently earn money
[meteorite-list] The Grand Meteorite Theft
Hi list, as the attitude to fire arms in USA and the involved risks of rates of killings are always somewhat scary to Europeans, I have to say, that I'm very content with the work of my guard cats and honestly, if you don't collect pallasite slices and if you don't have precious display arrangement, never it would occur to a thief, that those black and brown stones and lumps of irons would have an interesting value. They most probably would bag everything else, but not the meteorites. Devilish trick, store your specimen cards elsewhere, then da thief never will see cash for the stuff, hehe. Let's collect cases, where meteorites were stolen, to see, whether such stalwart precausions are necessary or not: (Aaaah, I don't mean from the deserts, but from private and institutional collections...). - The main mass of Ramsdorf was stolen from the house of the finder. - Remember Bernd Rems (where is he?), the burglars stole everything else, but not the meteorites, took only 2 little meteorites, which were not stored in the vitrines, but were laying on the desk. Some more? Buckleboo! Martin PS: Matteo, be sure that I never will visit you, a fire arm in the hands of such a unrestrained impulsive person is to dangerous for me... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Hi Michael, Only Bill Gates could afford to buy every gram of material on the market. ...as to think they could generate the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars it would take to buy EVERYTHING Humhem - Market-Trend-Michael, now I'm really surprised. Do you not agree with my estimation, I wrote earlier today to the list? Michael! There was and is and never will be a sufficient amount of meteorites on Earth, that it could be paid with hundred and hundreds of millions of dollars. That's the funny thing. There are thousands of other people than Bill Gates, who could afford to clean up the market with a fingers' click! Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Unfortunately I know only very few, which are interested in meteorites :-) Hehe, there are 35.000 known meteorites. Imagine you would be able to get access to all of them, also to the 25.000 Antarctic ones and all, which are closed away in museums and never were available. Well, if you would suggest to your wealthy client a nice complete collection of all meteorites of the world, let's say in fat 1 x 1 blocks of 10grams each, and you would tell a silly high price of 50$/g. No objection! I know that Mars and Moon and a very few other exotics and a fery few historical falls are paid higher - but what he mainly would get, are weathered ordinary chondrites and who would complain there to get it sold at 50$/g (and with such a buy-off). What would the customer have then to pay for the complete-world-and-history-collection? 17.5 million$. Hmm, I guess, there exist quite a bunch of robber barons mighty enough to pay that fun. Buckleboo! Martin PS: This instrument is always extremely helpful: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 22:46 An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE on 7/12/06 1:40 PM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are thousands of other people than Bill Gates, who could afford to clean up the market with a fingers' click! Buckleboo! Martin Hi Martin, You are undoubtedly right - technically - but I think it does little to dissipate the point I was making. However, please do send me their email addresses so I can put them on my mailing list! Thanks, Michael -- The greater a person's sense of guilt, the greater his or her need to cast blame on others. Anon. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Beware of meteorite hunters
Again that discussion, and again I feel compelled to excrete my 2 cents, as I know those finders from that team. First there is no room for any suspicion, nor does it lead to any intuition to point with the finger to others, no matter from which direction. The team, which recovered the stones, acted in proper style and in an exemplary way. They did, where about no other team was caring, they went with their finds to the authorities and physically submitted the stones there and asked, whether they would be allowed to export them. To presume, that they were telling misleading information to the officials is absurd, there can't be any straighter information than to show the stones to the officials, who have to decide, whether they are o.k. for export or not. As you saw, they issued that document with header and stamp, which states that the team member mentioned in brackets is allowed to take with him 150kg of those rocks and that document served to the purpose, if the members would have been asked, when they left Oman, whether they have a permit to take the stuff with them. I guess, another definition of export permit does not exist. In the case of the most interesting stones, the colourful IMB-lunaites is to say, that at that point in Oman, it was absolutely not evident, that they were lunaites at all. Even later the institute, which should classify them, refused initially to analyze them, because they thought, that they are terrestrial rocks. But anyway, the Omani officials could have refused at any moment to issue the permit and they had the stones in their hands to do so. To calm Mr.Ali, the Hupes certainly have a translation of the paper, and not only the name of the exporter, but also the lines in Arabic letters are written by hand. Obviously this was at those times the usual way to issue such export permits. It might be, that Mr.Ali isn't content with that procedure, but then he should have scold the Ministry of Commerce and Industry that they allowed the export of the stones and not the sellers of that material and certainly not the finders, who took the efforts to legally export those stones, who did so at those times, where no team else, only the Suisse one, cared for any possible restrictions. At the ministry nobody took any agreement as a condition for the official export, nor did they issue other papers or a paper in a different form. Maybe nowadays there are different regulations in force, then in the beginning of 2003 obviously not (perhaps here the confusion originates, that the quoted mining law of 2003 wasn't in force yet?). So I think we can all calm, and that Mr.Ali wasn't aware, that not only to the Suisse teams export permits were issued, but to others too, is very understandable, because as far as I know, nobody else than those German teams ever asked for a permit. Btw it was not a single case, they obtained on 2 tours more such permits, but unfortunately, because they did saw any importance in those sheets, after they were home - and those were the times, where there weren't discussions about the legal status of the Oman finds raging - they threw them in the dustbin. At least that one survived. Thus we learned, that it is always helful first to check the facts, than to have superfluous discussions, to dwell on speculations or, how it unfortunately happens sometimes, to end in personal attacks. Peace on Earth, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juli 2006 10:20 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of meteorite hunters Bill, I legal terms, a meteorite is a rock in the most general sense. Now, mind your own business and don't bother me with your foul attitude. Why don't you go away, you do not contribute anything? Go away, scoot, move along! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of meteorite hunters You still haven't answered the man's question. Surely he knows more about procedure in Oman than you. Why should the Omani's cooperate with you? You are unnecessary. I don't see you sharing resources and strewnfield data with the general public here and in Oman you don't even qualify as a member. Bill -- Original message -- From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at this interesting article that our friend Ali al Kathiri is involved with: Beware of meteorite hunters: http://www.newsbriefsoman.info/index.php?itemid=35 This is the kind of rhetoric that causes countries to leave meteorites off-limits to hunting instead of promoting a spirit of cooperation! Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: More on the creationists at theMeteoriteFestival
Hi Rob, And Einstein said smth about relativity... There exist a quote, in various versions, of Einstein: Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. Religion is a matter of faith and not of science, unfortunately science itself often enough too... So leave the creationists alone, you can't convince them and honestly, the question whether the Earth has an age of 6000 or 4.6billion years has no effects of our day-by-day-life, nor wether someone is a good or bad boy. I see the problem in another way, fanatics exist on both sides, if they could learn a little bit more tolerance, things would be easier... If I would be condemned to watch the Italian soccer team play for 6000 years, it would be like 4.6 billion years for me, if I would have to watch the German team playing for 4.6billion years, it would seem to me to be 6000 years. So there the meteoricists can meet with the creationists. If they are buying their Brenhams and believe that they are only a few years old, I guess then Mr.Stimpson or the real Steve Arnold, wouldn't try to convince them, that they are older than their Earth, hehe. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Rob McCafferty Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juli 2006 12:44 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Fwd: More on the creationists at theMeteoriteFestival There are more than one branch-or-whatever-it's-called- of creationist. Some acknowledge that the time period for creation is not literally 7 days accept evolution and say that the only important thing is that it was all begun by God. There are some who hold a far more fundamental view which says that everything in the bible must be taken literally. This is difficult to have sympathy with for anyone who's familiar with the concept of chinese whispers. Even if God Himself were to give a full and frank account of creation at the dawn of humanity -which i doubt- it'd inevitably change over the millenia as it is writte, re-written, told, retold and translated. I suppose it is just possible that everything was created 4000 years ago or something and all the evidence to the contrary is a fabrication created by God to test our faith. (Now that's what I call clutching at straws) Surely a God who created a universe 13.7bn ya with such intricacy, subtlty and let it run its course to the present while we struggle to undertand it...well that's not only more likely, but cleverer more beautiful and simple. (The word simple is not meant to be taken literally). Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. Einstein, was a firm believer is creation, that physics is an attempt to see how God put everything together. Must be careful. This is a sensitive subject for people on both sides of the argument. I hope I didn't offend anyone as it was not my intention. Just my thoughts on the matter. Rob McCafferty --- MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, The Creation Research Society.is different, or least was at the festival. I did not look into them to know exactly where they stand on everything. It was obvious their thoughts on the origin of man, but agesuch as the writer is talking aboutit was less clear. It does not appear the writer looked into exactly where they stand either, as their displays acknowledged evolution. There was models of several of different periods of human skulls. I thought I would see the ages on them spaced neatly into a 5,000 year period...or the like, but interestingly, the oldest they had dated was 1.9 million years old. I did not look at them close enough to see if that was what they thought as the earliest man or not. (Such was not my goal at the festival). It appeared to me, they had their own definition of creationism. Or it was one I had never seen before. To bad the writer didn't contact the source he has wrote so much about on his website. Would have liked to have seen exactly where the Creation Research Society lies. I will note I do agree with most of the writers blogging. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Kansas Meteorite Society __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Amusing Chicago Sun-Times Article
Hmmm, the name of the finder - Stimpson - and the article,..I don't know... ...well, could it be a hoax from the Ren Stimpy show? Meow? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Notkin Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 19:59 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Amusing Chicago Sun-Times Article Dear Listees: Greetings. How many mistakes can you find in this amusing tale: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-meteor05.html And I mean factual mistakes, poor writing doesn't count: . . . said he may have found what could be one of the largest meteorites ever reported. Maybe, could be, possibly? Anyway, 1,500 pounds of fragments doesn't count as a single largest meteorite. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] witness falls
And imagine there are so many falls happening outside of the 8 continents. Wow, so many fall into the sea! It's unbelievable! I decided to collect and to focus from now on only on the witnessed ones of them! Let me know, when you have one for sale! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 20:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] witness falls Hello list.I have just spent the latter of a day,on and off,going thru METEORITES A TO Z,and it just astounds me of all witness falls outside of the USA.EUROPE,CHINA,AFRICA,AUSTRALIA,etc.I cannot even to begin to explain the immense of this.I can see why so many people focus on witness falls.Especially in this country.There just has not been alot here in the last 40 years.Any comments??After some ramblings with some fellow meteoritics people,I to have decided to start collecting these gems. steve arnold,chicago,usa!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] RE: Even more of that darned Brenham
Well, I read that the Gibeon strewnfiel has a size of 75 x 240 miles... So perhaps the Brenham hunt just has began? Buckleboo? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Schoner Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Juli 2006 17:22 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] RE: Even more of that darned Brenham Also, The Brenham strewn field is very large. Almost 24 miles in extent. I have been told that small fragments have been found west of Greensburg, and one specimen 50 lbs that I purchased in 1986 was plowed up in a field just outside on the east edge of Greensburg. So the angle of incidence was very low, and the breakup spread over a large area. I think that there are more craters that have been plowed under at the eastern most edge of the strewn field. A hundred and fifty years ago, the area was being farmed for the first time and what was thought to have been Buffalo Wallows might very well have been impact craters. These were all plowed under. So, that said, don't be surprised if many more of these pesky Brenhams show up as these long gone Buffalo Wallows are re-discovered with deep seeking detectors. Brenhams: $$ per/lb anyone? Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 [meteorite-list] Even more of that darned Brenham LITIG8NSHARK at aol.com LITIG8NSHARK at aol.com Thu Jul 6 10:15:29 EDT 2006 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] What's a chondrule-what's not a chondrule? * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Good morning Susan, and Folks, Susan, no question is stupid. Consider though, that the surface of the Earth is approximately 196,935,000 square miles. That a few meteorites travelling in a group would be caught by Earth's gravity on successive passes and land in the same general area of the Earth--well, that would be extrordinarily unlikely. Also, keep in mind that the Earth not only rotates on its axsis, but it also revolves around the sunso, in the 24 hours it would take for the Earth to spin once, allowing the State of Kansas to once again face the general direction of the approaching group of meteorites, Earth would no longer be in the sights of the group, having moved on in its path around the sun. Best regards, Paul Martyn In a message dated 7/6/2006 10:00:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, batkol at sbcglobal.net writes: stupid question: can the brenham fall actually be two falls. could it have been several large stones traveling in a group, one caught by earth at one time and the second one caught on a later pass? or is it too highly coincidental that they both landed in kansas in the same area that makes this impossible? thanks for indulging my ignorance. take care susan patton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] (AD EBAY AUCTIONS)
Slow down. July 3 - Ebay Ad July 1 - Gujba ad June 29 - 30% off ad June 28 - I have uploaded for sale ad June 27 - La Lande ect Ad June 24 - Ebay Ad The rule, to which all, also dealers even mightier than you, obey is: 1 Ad per week and not 5. Thanks Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Gesendet: Montag, 3. Juli 2006 13:39 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] (AD EBAY AUCTIONS) Good morning list.I just want to announce a few ebay auctions ongoing.3 of them are ending between 2 and 3 pm CST today.Those are a 14 gram slice of WELLMAN (C),a complete stone of GAO,and 0.3 grams in 3 small frags of DHOFAR 017.Ongoing are RODGERS,NM,NWA 2779,NWA 2781,TOLAR,NM,SAH 97176 AND 1 more.The url is : stormbringer60120.tripod.com.View at your liesure and thanks. steve arnold,chicago __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] (AD EBAY AUCTIONS)
Hehe and a second one: STEVE! 1 PURCHASE per WEEK. His ads are so charmless, look Steve, an AD must be well prepaired... As an example: First I'll recall to the community the person of the once largest collector W.Zeitschel. The veterans will sigh, the newbies wonder, that meteorite collecting wasn't invented by Bob Haag. This name I will pick up and post a link to a CNN article from 10 years ago http://www.cnn.com/US/9611/26/meteor.mania/ where MarsMoon had price tags of 1 million $ and the veterans will feel the breeze of history and the newbies will wonder, that the stuff was really, really expensive even in times, when there existed already colour photography. Then the apostles of avarice and the Pandoro M. protagonists - the market is in ruin - will battle. Opportunity enough for me to adumbrate the price history of Martians during the last 20 years and how that type remarkably has risen within only the last 18 months, and that will be the exact point of time, Steve, not an instance to early, it will be the right moment for me, to offer my 4 gram crusted Zagami-slice with Zeitschel-label still at the old price of only 500$/g. See? Look, it doesn't work, if you spit out only a name and a price on the list. It doesn't help, if I just would write: Staelldalen, thin huge slice, some crust, large melt part inside, copy of Stockholm museum label, 19.7g, 950Euro. Because nobody would know how rare and special that offer is and how fair the price. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 3. Juli 2006 15:59 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD EBAY AUCTIONS) The rule, to which all, also dealers even mightier than you, obey is: 1 Ad per week and not 5. Thanks Martin I suggest to build 5m big poster in fromt of his house. STEVE: 1 ADD per WEEK Marcin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Like a Witnessed Fall in France!
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/space/meteorites-dust/cosmic-football/ Hehe, here you'll find The Cosmic Football! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Groetz Gesendet: Montag, 3. Juli 2006 16:57 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites; Michael Farmer; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Like a Witnessed Fall in France! Please don't start this crap again. The list finally gets back to some decent interesting subject matter and then everyone has to put up with this back and forth. If you have to throw shots at each other- please do it in private and leave everyone else out of it. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad most of the Italian football team are about to go to prison for cheating and match fixing. One just jumped out of a window to kill himself only two days ago. I dont think any of them should even be playing since they are cheaters. --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehhe we are under waith the Germany the 4 Julyprobably dutch members remember the 1982 World Cupwe want the bis. Matteo --- Meteoriteshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear List member, There was something like a witnessed fall in France last night... Thousands of witnesses were in the streets! Have a look at: http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/meteoriteshow%20angl/pages%20navigation/Brazil_ 0-1_France.htm Should some of you find it out of topic, I sincerely apologize. Cheers, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
WG: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi Michael, As to Allende, a detailed report is: Clark, Roy S. The Allende Mexico, Meteorite Shower. Smithsonian Contributions to the Earth Sciences 1970 You find it even online here http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/EarthSciences/pdf/sces-0005.p df But takes a while for download (ca. 30MB) Has also nice photos from the recovery of some pieces. Page 15: NMNH 4015, 41 g and 39 g, in Cienega de Ceniceros de Abajo. These two specimens were both recovered within the town, one on a rooftop and one from a patio. They were purchased in June 1969 Buckleboo! Martininho -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Montag, 3. Juli 2006 01:50 An: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Here's a question for y'all: I have inferred that the following falls hit homes, or, in the case of Holbrook, at least the train station, but cannot find written citations for same. Is anyone on the list familiar with written (or even verbal) accounts of any of these falls having struck homes, buildings or the train station? - Holbrook - Murchison - Pultusk - Allende I await responses with baited breath. Thanks, Michael -- The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything; they just make the most of everything that comes along their way. Anon -- -- He is not a lover who does not love forever. - Euripides (485-406BC) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] In medias res: Morocco Meteorite Meeting
Hi list, well, rumours, gossip, hearsay...I read the abstracts of the topics there and, after the IMHO incompetent statements, we all have to face sporadically by a very few scientists, mainly in media, who have no experiences in hunting and the NWA and Oman situation, but are blaming commerce to plunder irretrievably the scientific information and the monetary value of the patrimony of the desert - I'm content, that there is one unagitated and factual abstract concerning the NWA situation by Devouard, Denise, Messaoudi et al., which maybe could mitigate the second abstract by Mostefaoui, Bounatiro, Bourout-Denise, which in a vehement way accuses dealers and scientists likewise to loot the meteoritical treasure of Algeria. All other abstracts about desert meteorites aren't tangent to the topic of the commercialism in the NWA-field and don't mention a possible opposition between science and private trade, nor do they contain any recommendations to create a legal status, no matter of which kind, for the desert stones. The abstracts are found here: http://www.fsac.ac.ma/meteorite/Casablanca_abstracts[2].pdf Abstract # 9024 - What shall we do with all those meteorites from Sahara And Abstract # 9019 - The most recent El-Idrissa fall, and since then more and more unlocalized finds. Here the text bodies. And folks, as we, private collectors, suppliers, hunters, dealers - who are said to be solely responsible for that desert mess and, I fear, convictable and causative, that such a huge variety and mass of meteorites were recovered in a frequency and a volume, which in regard of the short time is absolutely unique in the 200 years lasting history of meteoritics, but, if one hears some assertations, seems to be for some scientists no reason for elation, but rather a sad and enormous calamity and as we of course are laymen and as collectors, dealers and hunters and as accused ones of course not worthy to move a foot in the holy halls of science and thus never any representative of us, even not those directly from those fields, which are so eagerly discussed also by such experts, who rather unwillingly like to leave their snug bureaus, will be heard, let's discuss the abstracts here on the list, cause we haven't any other place, sniff. (and then we have to collect some money to sent an IMCA director there to produce our point of view there... Huhuhu I imagine Norbert and Christian singing in front of the closed fortresslike hotel doors: We shall overcohoohohhme... and throwing achondrites after the police cavalry) Yayaya, of course the latter paragraph is polemic and provocative, don't take it to serious ;-) but necessarily so, cause I want to generate more postings about this topic than about e.g. the epistemological aspects of ebay feedbacks. Here now for the additional dramatisation first the incendiary speech about the Algerian stones, followed by the more composed abstract, which contains some direct answers on the questions posed in the first one. Buckleboo! Martin 9019 Introduction: Algerian desert meteorites (ADMs) are one of the important contributors to the world meteorite collection that improves our knowledge of the origin of the solar system and evolution of stars and their environments. While managing other meteorite collections is well controlled, Saharan meteorites and especially the Algeria ones, are out of control and most of them are handled by dealers. Here, we present an overview of the scientific and commercial interests of ADMs. Overview: According to MetBase [1], Algerian desert count 613 documented meteorites, representing more than 15% of the worlds total registered meteorites from hot Sahara. The ADMs (excluding NWA) count 2 SNCs and one lunar. Only two meteorites are known to be preserved in Algeria, El-Idrissia (L6) is in the Centre de Recherche dAstrophysique et Astronomie et Geophysique (CRAAG) Algiers, and Fortflatters (non-class.) is in the Saharan Museum in Ouargla, southwest of Algeria. Meteorite Falls and the El-Idrissia Story: Among the ADMs, seven are observed falls. The first observed fall is the Aumale (L6) meteorite (fallen the same day as Shergotty in India, in August 25, 1865). The most recent one is El-Idrissia. It is also an L6 and it fell on March 10, 1998 [2]. While the oldest fall Aumale is composed of two stones of 25 kg each, the total number of stones and weight of El-Idrissia is still controversial. According to our records, which are contradictory to what has been registered [1], 4 pieces of the meteorite were collected by the habitants of the region, one of which is a single piece of 12 kg and it disappeared after it was brought by the Algerian local authority to the CRAAG. We still do not know where this stone is. Algeria, a Closed/Open Meteorites Market: El-Idrissia is probably one of the many meteorites that crossed the borders to land in one of the overseas meteorite collections. Despite an Algerian law explicitly preventing exportation of
AW: [meteorite-list] In medias res: Morocco Meteorite Meeting
Ooops, so silent - although it's by far the most important topic of the last years for collectors and dealers likewise... Sume points, to get the discussion moving: In fact whether the trade and the hunt of meteorites are restricted or not is nothing else than a political decision. Politicians decide according to recommendations they obtain, as their legislating is of administrative character and in general it is impossible for them to be experts in the topics they have to decide about. Thus such an international meeting can make an impact. And here I see cause for concern, because I fear, that the argumentation there naturally is biased, as in past never the groups, which are the protagonists of that mechanism of the NWA-trade, were incorporated in the discourse, as there are the US- and European retail dealers, the Moroccan brokers, the foreign professional hunters and the nameless finders of desert countries, who deliver their stones to the market in Morocco. Aside animosities between the groups of different interests and backgrounds, I guess, not to ask them was a lapse, cause who could have a better insight into the situation of the NWA field, than those, whose daily work it is to handle that stuff. We all saw to what for distortion of the facts that lopsided view has led. On the other hand, many meteorites are marketed wholesale at low prices I'm s thankful for that sentence! Because the overestimation of the monetary value (or market prices) as well as the volume of the desert finds, was hardly bearable anymore. Thank you Michel Franco, that you remind me, that Algerian police, customs and gendarmerie was instructed about meteorites by Algerian university professors. Here from the newspaper article - which Pélé translated for us - what they were actually told then last year: ...Ouargla. This phenomenon is obviously far from being a fact various since only one gram of a meteorite costs between 10 000 and 20 000 dollars, according to precise details' of the gendarmerie. Better still, the gram of a meteorite of the type chassignite culminates with... 70 000 US dollars. It is thus permissible to imagine the amazing sums garnered by these plundering tourists on the back of the Algerians. And the foreign laboratories of research in geology, astronomy and geophysics, inter alia, are particularly fond of delicacies for these small objects which are worth gold because of their scientific value. And they are ready to put the full price to obtain them Well, last year, as still today, you can buy those Algerian meteorites in retail in the western and northern world everywhere at 0.05-0.10/g, would have to look, but that desert Chassignite (one single small stone out of thousands desert finds of the recent 20 years) is sold at 3500$/g - 4500$/g. I never heard, that ever an institute or a private person paid 70.000$/g for a meteorite (with the only exception of the first crumbs of Calcalong Creek in the 90ies) and by my best will, there exists and existed since 6 years, hence during all the time of the NWA-rush only one stone, Chassigny itself, which could be paid with 10.000-20.000$/g. So if I am mild and won't accuse those Algerian luminaries of a purposeful lie, I have to say, that they obviously have no notion at all of the complex they bemoan, nor about the Algerian stones, which they try to protect, a factor certainly highly problematic in that respect, that those professors should preserve, curate and scientifically work on that stones in Algeria in future. Another circumstance is, that to the most involved parties in that discussion the true dimensions of the volume of the desert finds might be not clear, whereas such estimations of course are an uncertain task, but if we recall Grossmann's compilation from the Bulletin database, containing all classified and filed meteorites until the end of last year, hence also ALL non-desert finds, the HUGE volume of the Antarctic finds, the falls and finally all NWAs and Omanis, (while with the latter we haven't the problem with the bad documentation and unreported cases, as their we haven't structures like in Sahara and the meteorites can't be bought there, but must be found) and when we additionally keep in mind, that predominantly the rarer and rarest types from Sahara are and will be classified, because else one can't sell them at adequate prices and in fact with OCs there is no money to make those years, and thus it's of vital interest for the dealers, to get them published and numbered, and if we show to ourselves plainly that from all meteorites 90% of the weight are contributed by the irons and stony-irons, and because there aren't almost no irons found in Sahara and Oman, than we can presume, that the dark figure of unreported or yet unreported material is not unmanageably huge. Here again the figures for ALL known meteorites: Meteorites total: 581 tons. Ordinary Chondrites: 52 tons Carbonaceous Chondrites: 3 tons (bonjour Allende with
[meteorite-list] Der Mann mit der Mütze geht na ch Haus.
Iiek schnll ncoh mein Typp - Kick!! Ja selbst wir ham uns getäuscht - nach den grausigen Kicks der Achtelfinales - Theutschland spielt den schönsten Forsboi der WM. Zwotes einzig richtig überzeugendes Team war Archentinien. Und die müssen sich nu ausgerechnet eliminieren. In 2 Stund werden unsere Buben nach all dem Lob freudig und stürmisch den Gautschos ins Messer rennen und untergehen, daß es ein Art hat. Heulen und Zähneklappern wird folgen, nach den zwo Tagen allg. Lobes- und Respektsbekundungen, Klinsmann wird zurücktreten, Sammer wird komben und den alten Rumpelfußball wieder einführen und in der dt. Forsboigeschichte wird dieser feine Ansatz eine Episode bleiben. Spielverlauf - nach 20 min 1:0 für Argentinien aus Semikonter, 10 Minute Angstpause der Arier, dann wieder fröhlich Anrennen, paff 33.Min Konter 0:2, 42. Anschlusstreffer durch Mertesacker-Kopfball nach Ecke. Ah und Oh, welch bewiesene Moral. 1:2 zur Pause. Zwote Halfzeit, beherzte Angriffe, die der Gaucho fröhlich abwartet und das Messer wetzt, Frings gelb-rote Karte --- völliger Zusammenbruch der Abwehr, da der Pseudolibero nu fehlt. Konter 1:3. Später dann Konzessionselfmeter nach Ballackschwalbe 2:3. Letzten 10 Minuten Innenverteidigung ausjewexelt gegen Neuville und Borowski. Lässiges 1:4 von Bomber Tevez, noch vor der Nachspielzeit auuus auus das Spiel ist aus. Und dann heißt es: http://www.udojuergens.de/cd/songtext/dermannmit.htm Also hier meine Typps: Deutschland - Archentinien 1:4 Italien - Ukraine - mann Pitt, ja freilich gehts wie immer Eins-Null aus, daß ist aber so evident, daß ichs ned tippen mag. Der Italiener hats numal nich verdient, der Aussie-Elfer, daß war ja derart verschoben, daß der Italiener der Verlierer der Herzen sein muß. Drum: Italien - Ukraine 0:0 Pfiffigen Torwart, die Russkis, der einzige Torhüter, der seine Fallrichtung antäuscht und dann ins andere Eck hupft, Ithaker hat zudem immer einen Lattentreffer in entscheidenden Elfmetern - Totti ist diesmal der Baggio, zudem schießt der grimme Gattuso dem Goali den Kopf ab, weil ers ned anders gewohnt ist. Strahlender SIECH also für die Ukraine Und ein 120 Minuten zum Abschalten schlecht davor. Jabohl. England - Portugal 0:2 Die Engländer spielen so, wie die Deutschen bei der letzten WM, die müssen dringend heim. Brasilien - Frankreich 2:1 n.V. die Rache an den Pensionären gelingt. Saumäßiges Spiel. Hups - geht da überkreuz.. Nu denn: HF: Argentinien - Ukraine 2:0 Brasilien - Portugal 0:0 n.V. Brasilien siegt im Elfmeterschießen. Finale ohoo Argentinien - Brasilien 0:2 In der regulären Spielzeit, weil Argentinien 2 Platzverweise hinnehmen muß. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Peter Schlagheck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 20:41 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: Prognost Deutschland - Argentinien 1:1 n.V., Argentinien siegt im Elfmeterschießen Italien - Ukraine 1:0 England - Portugal 0:0 n.V., England siegt im Elfmeterschießen Brasilien - Frankreich 1:1 n.V., Brasilien siegt im Elfmeterschießen Halbfinale: Brasilien - England 2:1 Argentinien - Italien 1:1, Italien siegt im Elfmeterschießen Finale: Brasilien - Italien 1:0 n.V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Opps my apologizes, I was in a hurry, and slipped down in the address menue, when I sent this private bet competition to a friend. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yummy, didnt know, that Kunashak was a house-hitter http://www.fmm.ru/galleryen.htm Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Fersman: Kunashak punches Shack
Yepp, And the logs in the museum: http://www.fmm.ru/meteoritesen/kunashaken.htm Is it underside the roof? What a pitty that I sold all my Kunashak... a ballyhoo as house smasher could quadruple the price. Buckleboo! Martin PS: hmm what happened to Pele's encyclopedical project? I feel always so pity, if such pictures disappear with time again. If he has enough webspace to host Or, Martin, after the city sign project - perhaps a main mass picture project? Many of my collectors collect pictures too, especially - no wonder, I do also - we want to see the main pieces our specimens origine from - if we wouldn't be all so phlegmatic, I guess growing with the year, it could became a nice online reference. Next step a kinf of wikipedia for meteorites only... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Martin Horejsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 18:13 An: Martin Altmann Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fersman: Kunashak punches Shack Hello Martin, Sergey and All, Very interesting! As far as I can tell, Sergey's picture is the of structure prior to impact, and the pic I posted is of the actual impact hole. As you can see if you open both pics at the same time, the building is the same, but the X-marks-the-spot on Sergey's pic is actually off-the-mark. Here is my pic borrowed from a private collector's personal catalog: http://www.geocities.com/planetwhy/kunashak_shack.jpg Pretty cool! More thoughts? Martin On 6/28/06, Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yummy, didn't know, that Kunashak was a house-hitter http://www.fmm.ru/galleryen.htm Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Meade Telescopes diversifying their product line?
You think it would sell better i fit would be signed by Reynolds Burt? Uh where is my saw! What a chance to upgrade made 20 years old Meade 8, if I see the price of that kit. 40 kits of that kind..hehe, if Uncle Meade will give me a 16 SC for them in exchange? Yippe!! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Horejsi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 19:36 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Meade Telescopes diversifying their product line? I just stumbled across this: http://meade.telescopes.com/products/meade-meteorite-kit-limited-edition-col lectors-set-43894.html Seems that the specimens are prepared using the Mason method. As in Bill Mason? Also, this piece of text I find a little interesting: Along with each Meteorite Kit is a certificate of authenticity signed by one of the world's foremost meteoriticists, Dr. Mike Reynolds. H. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorites in Frankfurt
Or easier, visit AchimMoritz Karl in Frankfurt, they must have a huge stock of rare and historic material, worth to fill a museum. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dieter Heinlein Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 20:31 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites in Frankfurt Hello Bernd list, at the MPIK in Heidelberg there are NO meteorites any more since several years, and the meteorite collection of the MPIC Mainz was transfered also to the Senckenberg Museum in Frankfurt, that it is currently curated by Mrs. Jutta Zipfel. Therefore, Fred, please head for the Senckenberg Museum in Frankfurt, and hopefully, you will find there a fine meteorite display. Just my two cents Dieter Heinlein German meteorite collector imca #0117 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites in Frankfurt Fred Olsen inquired: I will be in Frankfurt for one day in July and would like to know if there are any meteorite displays in Frankfurt? Hello Fred, If I remember correctly, the Senckenberg Museum in Frankfurt has a meteorite display (first floor, room no. 9). I think I also read somewhere that it is curated by Jutta Zipfel of the MPI Mainz. Then, of course, there's the MPI Mainz and the MPI Heidelberg, both probably too far away for a day trip :-( Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Question
Here a pic with a troilite in Sikhote. http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/SikhoteAlin.JPG I would guess, that it would have been rather a lenticular troilite torn out. Schreibersite surrounding troilite or alone, wouldn't mark such a sharp border in my opinion, especially not in Sikhote, where we find it often in large skeletons of crystals. But where I have problems of understanding, is, how such a circular shape could have survived in a shrapnel at those high forces at the impact? Wouldn't be some deformation to be expect, as e.g. it happened to this inclusion in a shrapnel? http://www.meteorite.com/gallery/mh_sikhote-11.jpg Unfortunately now the pics from that auction seems not to be available anymore. Weren't there other regular shaped pits connected to that hole? To me it looks like a later deformation. Just a guess, Buckelboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jeff Kuyken Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 11:23 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Question That would make sense Bernd. I initially noticed that it looks like two of them right next to each other. formed parallel cylinders 10-40 mm in diameter Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Question Eric wrote: Anyone want to take a stab at what it might be. I have no good explanations. Here is a link to the auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2300021628 91 OK, ... taking a stab at what it might be. If it is NOT one of those impact-produced surface craters that McHone and M. Killgore describe in Impact-produced surface craters on Sikhote-Alin irons (cp. MAPS 33-4, Supplement, 1998, p. A101), it might be troilite surrounded by schreibersite + swathing kamacite. Buchwald wrote about Sikhote-Alin: Troilite occurs in minor amounts, mostly associated with the schreibersite skeleton crystals which in many instances may have nucleated upon the troilite. The troilite forms 1-10 mm nodules and lenticular bodies. In most cases it forms the central part of cm-sized, intricate, lace-like textures where schreibersite filaments and hieroglyphs radiate from the troilite in structures that suggest coarse-grained eutectics (+). Similar structures are present in, e.g., Sao Juliao, Sandia Mountains and S a n t a L u z i a*. .., and on p. 1074, Buchwald wrote about Santa Luzia*: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites (Univ. of California, 1975, Vol.3, excerpts from p. 1074): Not only is the troilite elongated parallel to the present exterior surface, but the schreibersite-metal eutectics (+) associated with it also appear to have formed parallel cylinders 10-40 mm in diameter. Later, swathing kamacite has grown around these cylinders in the solid state to form concentric shells, 5-15 mm thick. Troilite forms the central part of the cylinders, but, since it pinches and swells irregularly, it may or may not be present in a given section perpendicular to the cylinders. (+) McSWEEN H.Y. (1999) Meteorites and Their Parent Planets Cambridge University Press, Glossary, p. 290): the liquid that occurs at the lowest temperature in a chemical system. So, maybe, we are looking at a cross-section of such a cylinder. Well, probably not quite as interesting as the ongoing discussion about fraudulent trade practices, but, anyway, ... my stab ;-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yummy, didn't know, that Kunashak was a house-hitter. http://www.fmm.ru/galleryen.htm Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Email from Serge Comet Meteorite Shop
I'm sure Serge has the solidarity from most of the list members. I guess, we should increasingly buy his stuff, which he still has outside of Russia to help him over this difficult and unsatisfying situation. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norbert Classen Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 00:09 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] Email from Serge Comet Meteorite Shop Dear List Members, Not long ago, there has been some discussion on this list about the people of Comet Meteorite Shop, Russian dealers, etc., and some rumors even had it that we won't see the Russians again at future shows. As you can see from the recent Ensisheim show reports, these rumors are not true as there was a delegation of the Comet Meteorite Shop people at the Ensisheim show, and at the St. Marie aux Mines shows. As always, they had a great selection of meteorites from Dhofar, and other locations. Anyway, the Comet Meteorite Shop people have been encountering problems, and things haven't completely solved until now. So Serge Afanasiev asked me to forward an explanation to the list so that you all get a better idea of what's been going on in Russia, and what the problems are actually all about. Please find Serge's post below. All the best, Norbert Classen PS: Since Serge isn't on the list, anymore, I will also forward your replies to him. -- Dear List, In late October 2005, me and my friends were going to the Munich show with a lot of stuff. We were intending to go by car through Finland - we had plans to visit the Muonionalusta site before travelling to Germany as we did prior to the French shows in June 2005. We were stopped at the Russian-Finnish border from our side. Prior to that we traveled a lot without encountering any problems - we just said that we were traveling with stones and that was enough. This time (we've noticed that later) our KGB was following us. We do not know yet for whom it was so interesting to catch us, but that is the fact. They said that this is a crime and arrested us. After 2 days they let us free, but now I and one of my friends can't go out of Russia. It seems that it is some government idea to stop mineral business in Russia, I do not know. I can't put a spot on somebody of Russian stone people as a competitor who can be so angry for example personally with me. Nonsense. It is not so much real competition here in Russia. I know 99% of all dealers. The process is not finished yet. They press us very much. Everybody of the mineral, fossil and meteorite people from Russia are very afraid to ship or carry some stony goods abroad. All are waiting for the final outcome of our situation. I know something about dino-eggs from China and the meteorite situation in Australia. Maybe our situation is in line with that. But certainly not that easy. I really do not know what will happen later. But if they really will close the Russian border for stones - that'll be a big problem for mineral business in general, and not only for us Russians. Ok, I think that the details about spending a lot of time in KGB and with lawyers isn't of much interest to you, but just imagine that this is what we are dealing with now and what we are thinking about most of the time. It is actually strange that a small group of people (really not rich) is of interest to the State. Our stones are not gold, not diamonds, not oil or gas, nothing of strategic importance - you know what I mean. That's all for now. All the best, Serge __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite dealers (not removing old inventory)
Hi, and Steve many dealers have gotten to know the in's and out's (from the latter exist only 2 or 3) of the collectorship. That several dealers' or collectors' webpages are outdated is understandable. Most sellers, professionals and collectors, are a one-man-show. To maintain or to built up a homepage requires aside some technical skills a lot of time. Time which most do not have. To acquire meteorites costs time, to hunt them or to travel to purchase them costs time, the cutting and grinding (especially with the irons) is time-consuming, to exhibit on fairs too. Most sellers have an assortment of various other non-meteoritical stuff, others have some other jobs for their main income and finally they have a family and don't want to have a dog's live with 100 working hours per week. Furthermore a homepage has more the function of a shop window, it attracts rather laymen and newcomers, both groups tending to purchase only little pieces, most are content to own at all a single piece from space (in most cases a little iron), so that only a minute part of the sales volume will be generated by one's homepage. In selling meteorites the dealer has not to fish for the customers, he has to come to the collectors. As the collectors scene is so small, most offerors know their collectors in person or via email, hence they know their individual preferences and whenever they got a new locales, they know in whose collection's focus it fits and they will discuss directly with the collectors. On the other hand, especially larger or very expensive specimens, there of course a buyer want to have the piece in his very hands to decide, whether he likes it for the collection or not - there to have a professional webpage, where you click onto the piece to add it to the shopping cart is a little bit inadequate :-) Hence most of such deals - selling or swapping are done by personal communication. (Yippie, be prepared, Stefan Ralew, Andi Gren and Mr.Buckleboo will come to next year's Tucson show!). Other thing is ebay, where compared to a homepage, a seller has the warranty, that the specimen will be moved immediately (while on a homepage some stones can rest a year or more until it is sold) and as a meteorite seller can't live from love and air alone, they have to use ebay - to set up auctions takes time too. Last thing from the sewing case of a meteorite seller is the customers' service - to give them expert advice - and depending on the pedagogical impetus to assist, to help and to give guidance to the laymen or the beginners to accompany them on their first steps to our fascinating hobby. Costs a lot of time. And finally the income of meteorite sellers and the compulsion in those somewhat difficult years to offer the stones at competitive prices won't allow them in most cases to hire a professional web designer or student to build up a nice homepage and administer it at the usual rates. Uuh, my webpage is more than 4 years old and I don't find time to learn some HTML and to rebuild it. Ek! Martininho Buckleboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Juni 2006 18:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite dealers (not removing old inventory) Hi mike,and list again.I have to go along with mike on this.It really is frustrating to go to a site and find that there is something you really want and then you find out it was sold a month or two ago.Having been invloved with this great hobby now for 7 years,I have really gotten to know the in's and out's of most of the dealers.But with some of the newbies,I just say be patient and maybe email some of the dealers and let them know what it is you really want and I know that they will be more than happy to get back to you.It is like anything else,PATIENCE,PATIENCE,and more PATIENCE. STEVE ARNOLD,CHICAGO __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball sighting over Northern Germany
Ho list, a fireball in Germany made it to the larger newspapers, which are in such respects normally rather reserved. Shortly combined: On June 11th in the evening at 10:10 pm a bright fireball with fiery tail was independently witnessed by several people in several places in Northern Germany (Kissenbrück, Peine, Gifhorn (there were the meteorite fair takes place), Braunschweig, Schöningen, Beierstedt, Salzgitter, Vienenburg). Scientists from several regional institute believe, that it was a fall of a meteorite, but are not sure, whether it was a dropper and whether material made it to the ground. The possible impact area is supposed to be in Saxony-Anhalt. Dieter, had the camera network caught the bolide? Was it a dropper? Buckleboo! Martin PS: articles http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltraum/0,1518,422472,00.html http://www.volksstimme.de/vsm/nachrichten/sachsen_anhalt/?sid=b6bb6277a820e0 cdcfec3f594bd529bcem_cnt=109145 http://www.welt.de/data/2006/06/21/925299.html http://www.taz.de/pt/2006/06/21/a0263.1/text __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping
enthusiasts. The normal amateur seller and the professional meteorite seller, whose budget is to limited to compensate to many losses on ebay will adapt the kind, the quality and the size of their specimens to that properties, which are paid well on ebay. If a locales brings no result, just make the pieces smaller and smaller until you get out a profit, welcome to the micro-mill. They don't pay for rare stuff? Sell mass irons.. and so on. Bill, we are enthusiasts - e.g. Campo is paid in German ebay always with 80-100Euro/kg (in US-ebay I guess it's often 40-50$/kg Buy-It-Now), you will say, stop your whining, go to Hans, buy 3 tons of mixed Campo and sell them in German ebay. But Bill, that makes no fun! Always to offer the same or to offer material from which one is not convinced by oneself. Take a look, most sellers are collectors too, they are driven by their love for those stones and take remarkable efforts always to be able to offer smth. new. Take the falls- and historical names sector, those aren't growing on the trees, to have an assortment of 100 different locales and to present every year 20 more is a lot of work. Take the desert sector. To go to Morocco, to find out the exotics with all the unavoidable purchases of terrestrial material, the difficulties to get it classified.. Take the hunters, to run the costly expeditions - man, do you think the Russians got their costs out, when they sold their classified Dho-OCs on ebay at 100$/kg?? - all this you can't do with a certain enthusiasm (and masochism), if it would be all about the money, the meteorite dealers would better switch to other branches. I'm sounding like a dealer? I am a dealer. But that what I said here, most others can attest. Buckleboo. PS: Be friendly to your meteorite dealer :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Juni 2006 02:08 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping Martin, Please stop these lectures. I will decide when to buy this or that. You're beginning to sound like a meteorite dealer. Bill -- Original message -- From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all too, but Ken, if all are using sniper programs and those programs bid the maximum bid in the last moment, what happens then? Ebay is also entertainment, it's more thrilling to snipe manually (aside it has more sportsmanship). I never used sniper software - and I have to say, that method saves the most money. If an auction is ending at a for me unfavourable day- or nighttime and I miss it, I shrug - I have saved money. If a sniper program user is faster than me and I don't win, again: a saved penny is an earned penny. There will be always a new opportunity. you won't be in business for long by giving the stuff away. Yep, that's what one can observe during the last 2 years. More and more dealers have to give up. The diversification of the supply is shrinking, not so many offerors, especially the semiprofessional dealers or the collectors using ebay for sales can afford a mixed calculation to literally give away pieces on ebay and to compensate the losses with other overpaid results. Another effect is, that the offerors in ebay have to suit on the affectations of the ebay-clients or to say it clearly only to offer there stuff, which they get reasonably paid. Result is that the diversity of the supply on ebay suffers. Take a look - at least 70% of all meteorite auctions on ebay, I'd say, are always the same mass locales and/or to say it harshly: lousy crap, the quality of preparation is on average worse than that, what you get from a regular dealer and rarer or interesting types and historical falls you find often only as microcrumbs. Reason: Most sellers have to avoid to offer more superior specimens there, cause they would be paid below their own costs. But ebay is only one segment. More money certainly is to make for dealers with a broad assortment beyond ebay. Funny is also the psychology behind ebay, the blind trust of not so few, that ebay would be always the cheapest way to get the stuff and thus many never are buying at regular prices from a webdealer. Shall I tell you a secret? I'm meanwhile a specialist in finding out locales, which are not so frequently offered on ebay and I buy them from dealers. In buying from them I never haggle, some give me a little discount, some not - the buying price simply doesn't matter at all anymore. The stuff is often rotting on their pages for several years and everybody, who has an internet access could buy it - but they don't, because they are ebay aficionados and they simply need the feeling of security, that they didn't paid a to high price there, because there was at least one person, who was willing to pay quite the same price. The stuff I buy I set on ebay at 1$. Until now it never happened, that I got
AW: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT
www.rathergood.com/moon_song should be the address. But hhht Alex, I'm buzy in After-Ensisheim-Sales. Imagine, we got in one stone more of the phantastic NWA 2889, that transitional L/LL3-6. You remember? You took then also a slice. ISn't it one of the most beautiful chondrites, one could imagine? Chondrules of all sizes and colours, several metal-rimmed.. - David Weir has it also on his studies site. Now we prepared fullslices, with fusion crust and I'm selling them rapidely out. First I made an ad on the German list and half of them were immediately gone. After cutting 200g all in all were left. I ask 10Euro/g special price. Want another? Meow -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 14:40 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT Great piece of art, Doug! :-) Now this somehow resembles the Moon Song which is on an URL that MarBucklebootin from Munich sent me two years or so ago. Sir Martin, are you listening? Still have that URL at hands, for the viewing and listening pleasure of an esteemed audience? Something like this from a funny trick film band: I like da moon, coz it is close to us! I like da moon, but not as much as a spoon! ...and so on, very crazy, very funny, and not for those faint-hearted grave Off-Topic-sayers on the list! :-) Martin, can you dig it up again? I lost it somehow... Alex Berlin, Germany Aheeem, With a ping, a pang, and a boom and a bang: Lunar Blues Say Bmmm!! Buckleboo!! AaGrrr Ram roared koo-koo, A Bull sighed over the Mn... Procyon sees, those fallen those finds, And we Fish c'ndrool lunes with the Spoon... Saludos, Doug (and help from the two works below by MEdAl and Zigmund, and Frodo, the Cat and the Fiddle with of course the spoon being the Big Dipper asterism-) == MEdAl wrote: Harrumph: When Phaeton Sleeps What do I care for falling stars, For meteors, for Moon, for Mars? My name in Mr Buckleboo and I'm a real a... Martin Edmund Altmann MAGELLANIC CLOUDS - by Zigmund Tauberg (Romania) - There are smaller galaxies. In fact, they are cubs of the galaxy Keeping close to their mother. But who is their father? We don't know. Thus, in this space full of storms (From meteors to stars) Even proud galaxies, That cannot be measured in yards, Have bastards. ??? Wouldn't that be asters? ,,,Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter
Interesting for injuries caused by small meteorites may be stats and cases of mortality and severe accidents caused by hail. I have currently not the time to browse around on web, but for instance last weekend a hailstorm caused enormous damage in Leipzig, Germany. At least 6 people suffered lacerations and the web is full with reports. So I found, that some weeks ago 230 sheeps were slain by hailstones, 36,000 ducks on 14th of June 1957 in Canada, thousands of birds during the hailstorm of 1903 in Osnabrueck, a 3 months old baby in an open carriage 1897...and so on. Hailstones have a size of small meteorites and will have similar velocities. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2006 09:29 An: Chris Peterson; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter Chris, You do the medical profession of the XIXth century a great disservice, particularly from the period following the Napoleonic Wars which, for a complex set of reasons I won't reiterate here, transformed medicine from medieval scholasticism to true science. Many people assume that because physicians had so many fewer tools to utilize than today's doctors, they were made poorer doctors for it. On the contrary, many were forced to be better. In the particular matter of amputation, warfare, especially with artillery, had made this a particularly well understood therapeutic problem. It is true that amputation was more commonly performed in the XIXth century, but that is due to untreatable infections that threatened the life of the patient. The conditions which required it were also well understood, what degree of sepsis and so forth. I did not elaborate on the details of the Swedish injury, but the humerus was shattered, with many large fragments and a wealth of bone splinters. Bone possesses a remarkable ability for reconstruction if the many pieces can be kept aggregated in approximately the correct position, but additionally, the muscles which would have maintained the positioning of the bone while knitting, were shredded to an unrecon- structible degree, and all the intervening vascular tissue was hopelessly damaged or missing. There would have been no blood supply to the injured area nor the remainder of the limb. Amputation was the medically correct treatment, and might still be the preferred, and preferable, treatment today. It is just barely possible that now, with a collection of specialists, a major surgical center, and 22 hours in the O.R., bone support implants, grafting the patient's saphenous veins into the arm and some vascular shunts too, mesh re-growth sheaths for the muscles, a mountain of antibiotics, and $300,000, this arm might have been saved. There would almost certainly have been no nerve function distal to the injury site and little function to the limb of any kind. A totally disfuntional limb also poses on-going risks of serious complications. Lifelong massage and circulatory therapy, and likely electro- myographic stimulation would be required. I think you're seen too many Western movies where Doc is a hopeless drunk with a five-day beard, sitting all day in the saloon, in a dusty cowtown, and treats all illnesses with paragoric and all injuries by pouring whiskey over them. A cliche that may have had a few actual antecedents, but an entertainment industry and dime novel cliche just the same; not reality. Of course, not every XIXth century doctor was a Lister, Pasteur, Koch, Ehrlich, Carrel, but I doubt that there were any more bad doctors then than now (not that there aren't a certain number of sub-standard practioners in any era). In fact, it would be harder, in those therapy-poor eras, to hide being a bad doctor. Folks will tend to notice if most of your patients die... Nowadays, if you don't improve, you just go to another doctor until you find one that gets the job done. I'm on my sixth cardiologist, but he's a keeper. Not to belabor the point unnecessarily (probably already have), but I think you're being glib and dismisive on the basis of crude generalities that have little to do with reality. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter-- uh, I mean TO Jupiter And in the 19th century, people had their arms (or worse) amputated sometimes for the most trivial of injuries, so I'm not sure what we can conclude about that meteorite, either. Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
[meteorite-list] Armanty?
Ist hat the Armanty mass? http://kuerzer.de/armanti Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT
Harrumph: When Phaeton Sleeps What do I care for falling stars, For meteors, for Moon, for Mars? My name in Mr Buckleboo and I'm a real a... Martin Edmund Altmann -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Robert Verish Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2006 10:46 An: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fwd: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT Forward Message - Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Valentin Grigore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) METEOR CONTEMPORARY POETRY PROJECT (7) - Andrei Dorian Gheorghe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Alastair McBeath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), Valentin Grigore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - In this issue: I. FALLEN STAR II. METEOR DIALOGUES III. METEOR POEMS IV. HUMOROUS METEOR TRIALOGUE V. PERSEIDS - ROMANIAN MEMORIES VI. MAGELLANIC CLOUDS AND METEORS Previous issues: -Leonid 2002 Poetry #8211; prologue, December 2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1088 -MCPP (1), June 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1177 -MCPP (2), December 2003 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1321 -MCPP (3), June 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1392 -The Song of the IMC #8211; a September 2004 supplement by Jeremie Vaubaillon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1455 -MCPP (4), December 2004 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1507 -MCPP (5), June 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1573 -MCPP (6), December 2005 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/imo-news/message/1649 The next issue, for which we wait for submissions, will appear at the winter solstice 2006. - Coordinators - I wish all of you many moments of appreciation of the beauty of the world, not in the least of the night sky and of meteors! - Cis Verbeeck (Belgium) - I. FALLEN STAR COSMIC STONES - by Arnold Leinweber (1920-2006, Romania) - We know that the meteoroids gravitating without station could be virtual meteors. We also know that Terra travelling on its own orbit has a cloth - the protecting atmosphere. In contact with the atmosphere, they begin to disintegrate seeming to be falling stars. If they do not totally burn in the atmosphere, they drop on Terra - a strange blend becoming museum pieces. The End. II. METEOR DIALOGUES FALLING STARS - by Iulian Olaru (Romania) and Dan Mitrut (Romania) - Iulian Olaru: Last night, a +2 magnitude meteor, coming from the zenith to the left of Gemini, made me think of the folk belief that someone dies when a star falls#8230; Dan Mitrut: Another folk belief says that meteors are human souls climbing the sky at the person's birth. These beliefs are not contradictory, but complementary, because the people tried to transcend cosmic matter, to give soul to the sky and to give sense to the phenomena. That was the road from metaphysics to spirituality#8230; METEORIC PHILOSOPHY OF THE EPHEMERIDES - by Mohamad Magdy (Egypt) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - Mohamad Magdy: I could make astronomical ephemerides for stars, comets, asteroids and all celestial phenomena#8230; All I need is a work team to share#8230; for goodness! Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: Unfortunately, the meteors are so ephemeral#8230; ANOTHER YEAR - by John Francis Haines (U.K.) and Andrei Dorian Gheorghe (Romania) - John Francis Haines: Very cold here, out mostly dry - in fact, it's been a very dry winter altogether. The garden's stirring into life, which means that Spring is just around the corner, then the endless round of lawn-mowing, hedge-clipping, will begin again for another year. Andrei Dorian Gheorghe: As well as the meteor observational campaigns, in order to take care of the celestial garden. III. METEOR POEMS SPHERICAL GEOMETRY - by Diana Maria Ogescu (Romania) - The Sky is an immense cupola. Heterogeneous seeds bear fruit, as in a solarium. From seeds with people I came up too. Abyssal germens gave birth to the planets with orbits and fireball heads. METEOR - by Boris Marian (Romania) - Once, in the deep night, I heard a meteor passing. I'll never forget that late moment of rest, I seemed like a dead person alive, overwhelmed with fear, for that meteor didn't extinguish itself, but it said, with the voice of a raven#8230; on my word, it was a meteor saying to me just: Nevermore. LYRIDS - by Michaela Al. Orescu (Romania) - rumours of light the god Orpheus' lyre drips in April A TEAR FROM THE SKY - by Tania Tilici (Romania) - A tear from the sky comes to melt into the sea. Noise of the tear disturbs the waters, But after a while the sweet calm returns And the sea rearranges its blue ribbons As if nothing had happened. A child watching asks: Oh, sky, Is your mirror so peaceful? A NIGHT OF THE ETA AQUARIDS - by Alina Istrate (Romania) -
AW: [meteorite-list] AD: Excellent Ensisheim slice on eBay
I agree Martin, and I already bantered with Herbert, what for a bad timing he demonstrates, as at the Ensisheim fair we could have sold our Ensisheim specimen for at least 3 times, although it was more expensive than Herbert's modest reserve price (which I won't tell). Btw. before the stone was taken to Colmar young poet laureate Johann Wolfgang v.Goethe visited the stone hanging in the church of Ensisheim on his travels through Alsace between 1768-1771 and although he had already then a weakness for sciences the stone gave reason to him and his fellows to scoff at the gullibility of people. Whether he had changed his mind, when he was celebrating his 78th birthday in 1827 on Elbogen castle, I don't know, but here we're building the bridge to the first European fall, the Elbogen iron, felt AD 1400, which has also a lot of stories to tell with it's different local legends of the stone-hearted Burggrave of Vohburg, its exile in the font of the castle, mentioned by the Grimm brothers in their collection of legends, used as printing plate by Widmannstaetter for his Thompson structures... and I could imagine, that the picturesque castle of Elbogen, today called Loket, could rival Ensisheim as a venue for a second fine meteorite fair in Europe. Perhaps once, if e.g. Sergei Vassiliev and the moldavite fraction will have some spare time, they could set up such a show? It is about the first well documented fall ever observed. Uuuh - I hear Dirk Ross et al. telling, that they never would sign this sentence, as the stone of Nogata, which felt 631 years earlier, is also well documented with the exact date noted on it's wooden case, which was proved by carbon dating to be contemporary. Buckleboo! Also a Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Horejsi Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Juni 2006 00:09 An: Herbert Raab Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Excellent Ensisheim slice on eBay Outstanding specimen Herbert! Rarely has such a nice piece of Ensisheim been offered, especially on ebay. As THE Historic meteorite, I suspect that what we are watching in this auction right now is one of the last of the great offerings of this famous stone. Ensisheim has no bigger fan than myself, and to see such a great slice in the process of exchange is like watching one generation hand the keys of wisdom to the children of the next. For those of us in the I-have-a-nice-piece-of-Ensisheim-club, past membership reads like a history book of famous Who's Who. Here is a brief excerpt about the great stone simply known as Ensisheim: In 1492, a meteorite fell in a field near the city of Ensisheim. Only a young boy saw the fall at a place called Les Octrois Laubourg, south of Ensisheim. When the inhabitants were informed of this event, everyone wanted to keep a fragment of it, considering this as a divine sign.. Twenty days later, King Maximilien of Austria, in conflict with the King of France Charles VIII, heard about the stone. He used thus supernatural phenomenon like a divine sign announcing a forthcoming victory of his armies and ordered that the meteorite was hung in the chorus of the church of Ensisheim. In 1794, it was transported to the Museum of Colmar and, in 1804, the town of Ensisheim recovered its trophy which weighed then no more that 55kg. Fifty years later, after the collapse of the bell-tower of the church, the meteorite was kept in the Palate of Regency. Nowadays, the block remaining, weighing 53.831kg, is protected by the Brotherhood of Saint-Georges of the Guardians of the Meteorite of Ensisheim. It is about the first well documented fall ever observed. When this auction nears its close on June 25th, I suggest we all gather around our computers, a glass of French wine in hand, and toast the entrusting of Ensisheim to its newest caretaker (unless, of course, it's Dean B. Then God help us all! (;- ) Cheers, Martin On 6/19/06, Herbert Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear fellow collectors, I have listed an excellent slice of the Ensisheim meteorite from my personal collection on eBay. The 3.88g slice shows nice brecciation features, and even fusion crust is present along one edgle. It's the best small slice I came across in 20+ years of collection. But I have changed the focus of my collection recently, concentrating on fewer, large display pieces, and so I let this beauty go. The reservce price is set to ~70% of what I originally paid for this piece some years ago at the Munich fair. I admit that the piece was not a steal, but well worth that. :-) Simply search for Ensisheim on ebay, or follow that link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Ensisheim-meteorite-excellent-part-slice-3-88g_W0QQitemZ 6638814618QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks for looking, Herbert Raab __ Meteorite-list mailing list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Meteorite show - brief account
, at least that was my impression. Almost no Sikhotes, just here and there a few, very few Gibeons, only a handful of Tazas. Campos of course were the exception. Hans Koser, the king of Campos, had about fifty on his table, beside some nice Uruacu individuals representing his recent finds. As a surprise he brought two large slices of the new Brazil meteorite Santa Vitoria do Palmar (provisionary) with him. That material was offered for 5 EUR /gm. Beside the planetary and achondritic rarities displayed on the tables of Mike Farmer, Marcin, Martin Altmann, Stefan Ralew (who was honoured and accepted as a new guardian of the Ensisheim meteorite)and the other usual suspects, the tables of Hanno Strufe and J. Nauber need to be mentioned. J. Nauber displayed a magnificent 2 gm fragment of Chasigny and an exceptionally well prepared 12gm slice of a striking lunar regolith breccia. But the killer was a 32 gm slice of a newly classified diogenite that was unlike any other I have seen. The yellowish slice looked like an assembly of humongous centimeter sized pyroxene crystals embedded in a Thai curry colored matrix spiced with distinct green olivine sparks. Another piece of exceptional beauty was a yet unclassified meteorite displayed by Andi Gren, that has chances to enter the Bulletin as the next bencubinite. The creme de la creme of rare historic US-localities could be found on the table of Anne Black, I'am convinced her asortment represented at least one third of the Texas and New Mexico localities. Compared to the recent years only few tables were set up by Russian dealers. Surprisingly and in contrast to the general opinion regarding the recent Oman issues there is still fresh material coming out of Oman. Of exceptional quality were some heavily shocked and very fresh looking Eucrites from the Dhofar region. The jet black crust just coated by a fine layer of caliche twenty potatoe sized individuals lay on a table - a beautiful sight. The 1st day ended with the traditional festival, powered by the Meteor-brewery and the local accordion orchestra. Just in time after a beaaitiful and hot sunshiny day a deluvian drove everybody into the large tents where the party continued until the early morning. While one half of the accordion orchestra continued to play under the portico a group of four players seperated into the tent and started to battle their opponents. It was the trumpets of Jericho against the trumpets of the Last Judgement. The sound was so tremendous, Manfred Dannapfel was scared the olivines may fall out of his newly acquired Fukang pallasite. There is much more to tell and those actors I did not mention may forgive me, as this account is just an impression and by no means representative. I'am sure others will share there stories and pictures as well. best regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Dhofar vs. NWA meteorites
Hi Bob, I'd say, the conditions - temperature, humidity, soil - are more harmful in Oman than in Sahara and of course it's also a matter of apperceptions. From the average weathered NWAs you won't find offered the true proportion to the fresher NWAs, simply because the dealers have to pick out in Morocco the nicer and fresher ones, because with the buying prices there and the transportation costs is ,at the present prices, the collector is willing to pay, no profit to gain. Or only if one sells bulk quantities at minimum profits and quick returns, but honestly there aren't so much sellers around, who like to spend their lifetime in weighing heavy boxes, wrapping dozens of stones per hour and spending whole afternoons at the post office like our Dean... and in general even the supply of W3-4 dries out, so that this kind of marketing is going to an end. With Oman there we have a different situation, the expeditions are costly, the stones have to be found, as one can't buy them there, hence every stone is picked up. But also here you can observe, that from the few fresh stones at the best mass finds like for instance SaU 001 are offered, because at the moment Oman meteorites despite their good documentation and the higher costs of recovering, are paid by the collectors like NWAs. That's also the reason, why you don't find offered so much ordinary chondrites from Oman in general. With the costs of the expeditions, the shipping out from Oman, the time and efforts spent for classification, it makes no sense at these times to market the material. If you saw on ebay e.g. cometshop selling classified OCs from Oman at 100-120$/kg, than they sold it below their costs and only for a cash flow. And also I still have a few hundredweights of Dhofar stones left in commission, which I can't offer now for those reasons and where I have to wait a little bit longer, until the overhang of desert material will phase out, so that the prices will raise again. Another more incidental factor may also be, that from NWA came a huge quite nice fresh find, called NWA 869, with its perhaps 4 tons of stones. If I remember back, 2 years (or was it three years ago) at the Munich show, a third of all unclassified NWAs offered by the Moroccans were 869. So we have two reasons: The more harsh weathering conditions in Oman and a economical one, that from the NWA one sees only the tip of the iceberg's weathering scale, cause the more rotten stuff doesn't sell. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bob King Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2006 04:05 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Dhofar vs. NWA meteorites Hi all, I've seen a good number of Dhofar and NWA common chondrites and I've noticed that there are many among the Dhofars which exhibit highly weathered interiors laced with rich, thread-like shock veins. These veins seem to be far less common in NWA chondrites and I wonder why. Can anyone shed light on this little mystery (for me)? Thank you! Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Dhofar vs. NWA meteorites
That observation I didn't made. Some have shock veines, some not. Anyway shock veines are a result of impacts on the parent bodies, so if there are more veines in Dhofars, it's just by chance. Dhofars have more cracks than Saharian W3-4. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2006 17:15 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] Dhofar vs. NWA meteorites Hi Martin, Thanks for your observations on Dhofar vs. NWA. What you wrote makes sense. However I still wonder why many of the Dhofar chondrites have so many fine shock veins compared to the NWAs. Any thoughts? Bob Original Message: - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:36:29 +0200 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Dhofar vs. NWA meteorites Hi Bob, So we have two reasons: The more harsh weathering conditions in Oman and a economical one, that from the NWA one sees only the tip of the iceberg's weathering scale, cause the more rotten stuff doesn't sell. Buckleboo! Martin - Hi all, I've seen a good number of Dhofar and NWA common chondrites and I've noticed that there are many among the Dhofars which exhibit highly weathered interiors laced with rich, thread-like shock veins. These veins seem to be far less common in NWA chondrites and I wonder why. Can anyone shed light on this little mystery (for me)? Thank you! Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites
Exactely. Also for overseas transactions he is a dealer of first choice. His prices are in several cases the cheapest or among the cheapest of all webdealers and this often for pieces of fine qualities. For Tagish Lake he is the best source and I remembered that I once were looking for a customer for Gujba. His prices weren't not only the lowest of all, but the slices were excellent thin cut and perfectly polished. Sometimes, I have to confess, I bite my ... off, when he listed some localities, which I had to so cheap, that I had to reduce my prices :-) And a word to the ebay disciples, at Twelker you can often buy better specimens cheaper than on ebay. At the moment I would to recommend, especially to the European collectors, as the USD is very weak at present, to purchase from his assortment: Udei Station Bur Abor Chinga with Schlierenbands Loop(a) Suizhou El Kachla Tagish Lake Gujba DaG 400 Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Pat Brown Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 07:51 An: Anita D. Westlake; 'metlist'; tett Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites Hi to Anita Westlake and listees In my maybe not so humble opinion, Eric Twelker is a first rate meteorite dealer. Eric bought some Camel Donga from me a few years ago. The transaction was great, a true handshake deal. Pat Brown (Spokane Valley, WA) --- tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anita, Mr. Eric Twelker has been in the meteorite business for many years. He is trustworthy and you will not go wrong in dealing with him. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Anita D. Westlake To: 'metlist' Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Lunar and Martian meteorites Is anyone familiar with the Meteorite Market (http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/mmhome.htm )? Are they reputable, trustworthy, etc.? I'd like to acquire Lunar and Martian meteorites and they have some for sale. Your thoughts? Are there other sources? Anita Westlake -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests
Hi Sterling, Kevin, well, I'm not insisting on that meconium-theory, I only thought, that it would be a possibility very well worth to be checked, simply because such red meconial rains were observed before and together with the rain, swarms of insects were observed and the cells are looking similar, so that this in my eyes, if I were a Louis, would try to exclude this possibility as one of the firsts. I by my own am even not totally convinced, that necessarily the red liquid fell from sky. Funny enough a few weeks ago we could observe in Germany a Yellow Rain :-) This year we had huge quantities of yellow pollen of conifers, everything outside was covered with that yellow dust. One night there was a little rain, only a few drops and in the morning one could observe on all surfaces nice patterns of wet pollen, yellow spots and circles, wherefrom one could have the impression that yellow drops splashed on thise surfaces. Some hundred years ago, one might would have thought, that it was a sulphur-rain. It's a common pattern, that people, if they found something unusal and plentiful, which suddenly appeared and where they can find no explanation, and there was a rain, the will connect it with the rain, that the stuff felt from sky. There are so many examples of such unusual rain reports from old times on. Frog rains - even today one can observe it here in Bavaria, that after a cloudburst with short and strong rain a meadow suddenly teems with tiny tree frogs, so that one could think, that they felt from sky. (well, after a rain, when the earthworms are coming out, at least the people seemed to have drawn the right conclusion, common name of the eartworm in German is rainworm). Widely reported in 16th century was the Mice Rain of Bergen in Norway. I guess with the stron rain, the warrend of the mice and also the cellars were flooded, so that they came out. Sulphur rains, may it have been transported Sahara-dust or pollen, blood rains (one in Hungary with the appearance of insects), and so on. Or think to the belief accepted for a long time, that there are liquid meteorites. Would have to look, wasn't that the jelly found on dew-wet meadows in the morning (algae?). So perhaps the rain wasn't red in Kerala, but was coloured by smth. which was already there on the ground. (If I remember, in one newspaper article, there was written, that the rain coloures clothes red - but not, that the drops themselves were red). Bad blood would be a horrible imagination, how many bats would one need to squeeze out to have a red rain? They are small. And how would the processes be, that the blood will mix still in the air with the raindrops? And if they loose so much blood, wouldn't be there lying a lot dead bats down and we would have read, Toxic-Alien-Rain caused mass mortatility among bats... I love bats, there in Romania, where I'm always staying it is full of bats (but no red rain). Each night one can hear their electrical whisper in the clefts of the buildings and when one lays an ear on the hollow trees Hmm, there isn't bad science, only bad thing in this story was, that there was this publications spread, before the case was sufficient investigated. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kevin Forbes Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Juni 2006 08:12 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests This is a mystery alright. I have just as much trouble accepting that several thousands litres of bats blood made its way into the rain clouds for several months over the same area as I do for cometary debris containing cells raining down over the area. ? Question, do we know what kind of bats blood this is, and where do they originate from? Kevin Forbes, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Antartic treaty
Armando, you're really obsessed. Do you have any clues, how expensive it would be to hunt in Antarctica for private persons? No person of sound mind would go there for financial purposes to search for meteorites! The costs for an Ansmet-Team of 6 persons for a 6-week-hunt is smth around 800,000$ and they have a lot of equipment and facilities already there. As a newbie, you don't have an insight yet in that what you quoted to be a market. There are only about 1000 collectors on Earth and most of them are like me and you and have a very limited budget. Nobody of the few meteorite dealers on Earth is able to sell for 1 million per year, funny you. Btw. Read also the Antarctic treaties of 1959 and subsequently the treaties for the Antarctic meteorites from the 70ies. Antarctica is no man's land and the legal status of the Antarctic meteorites is absolutely unclear. For desert and hunters ect. we had all arguments again and again and again on the list here. Please search and read first in the archive. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/ To ease your pains, the quoted statements are outdated and meanwhile most professional meteoricists wouldn't agree with you. I don't know, but as far as I know, there was only this single private expedition, of some eccentrics, where they found 33 mere meteorites and that was all. Much hot air. Buckleboo, meanwhile.. Martin http://www.spaceadventures.com/media/releases/2002-01/77 Space Adventures Team Discovers Over 30 Meteorites In Antarctica The Space Adventures team of private explorers discovered 33 meteorites during a meteorite recovery expedition in the Thiel Mountains of Antarctica. The recovered meteorites, which vary in size and shape, could possibly contain evidence of extraterrestrial life, and will be made available through the Planetary Studies Foundation (PSF) for study by NASA scientists. The meteorite recovery expedition was led by Professor Paul Sipiera, a planetary geologist and meteorite expert from Harper College in Illinois. The explorers, who have spent eight days hiking and camping in harsh Antarctic conditions in search for meteorites, have returned home. A daily record of the expedition can be accessed online at http://www.spaceadventures.com/terrestrial/antarctica. During the first day in the Thiel Mountains, the team found their first meteorite within hours, a 20-gram chondrite fragment with a fusion crust over half of it. Each search was successful in recovering additional meteorites of various sizes and textures. Some of the meteorites found are completely covered by a fusion crust and appear to be rare. The expedition's objectives were threefold. In addition to meteorite recovery, ice samples have been collected as part of a microbiology study for the University of Innsbruck (Austria), NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and the University of Alabama. The third project was an educational outreach effort that connected students from Chicago-area elementary schools and Harper College with team members via satellite and online forums. I am proud to say that the expedition team has achieved all three missions with a high degree of success, stated Professor Paul Sipiera, the expedition leader. The expedition was offered in partnership with PSF and Adventure Network International (ANI), the only organization in the world providing private-sector services to the Antarctic interior since 1985. For interviews with team members please contact Tereza Predescu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Expedition images and video footage will be made available upon request. Space Adventures Expedition Team Members Paul Sipiera - Expedition Leader (Chicago) Paul is a Professor of Geology and Astronomy at William Rainey Harper College in Palatine, Illinois and the President of the Planetary Studies Foundation. Previously he was a member of the U.S. Antarctic Research Program as a field scientist for the Antarctic Search for Meteorites Project. Dave Butts (Algonquin) Dave is currently a business partner in Redblock Knowledge Systems Corporation, a software technology company that specializes in developing high performance data systems for Internet based applications. Dave is also the Vice-President and Director of the Planetary Studies Foundation. Elvira Butz (Winnetka) Elvira is a member of the Explorers Club, and has traveled to many of the world's most remote locales, from exploring the Amazonian Basin to diving to the hydrothermal Vents near the Azores. Her primary interests are anthropology and ethnobotany. Charles Duffy (New York) Charles Duffy, former photographer, is now a venture capitalist based in Buffalo, New York. Richard Garriott (Texas) Richard co-founded Origin Systems, producer of the Ultima line of computer games. An avid adventure traveler, he aspires to become the first second generation astronaut - his father Owen Garriott having flown on both Apollo Skylab and the Space Shuttle. Kelly Miller (Texas) Kelly
AW: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 3, 2006
The problem are the printing costs for colour pics in good quality for small print runs. That would drive the selling price so high, that most collectors wouldn't agree to buy a copy. Perhaps you may ask the Killgores, how high the printing costs for their picture books were, (printed in Korea they were?). Or Norbert may enlighten us. Buckleboo. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Juni 2006 14:26 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - June 3,2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/June_3.html Gosh, what a little sucker! Thank you, Michael, for continuing to provide excellent meteorite pics to our little community. The pic collection would make a great picture book of meteorites, and I personally believe, in such a case there would be no real big problems with the copyrights, since the (mostly private) providers of the pics would likely agree to have these printed on paper w/o charge, or just a minor charge, or most likely just a name credit instead - or am I definitely wrong with my humble estimation in this respect? Well, then again one of my meteorite friends pointed out to me, that doing a book project is extremely costly by itself, and the museums use to charge a substantial amount of money for having pics of their inventory meteorites published somewhere - even if they are not the pic providers themselves, and you are using your own private equipment for having pics made of their treasures instead. Anyone out there who would like to comment on this or share his or her experiences with museum curators, or has general experiences with such a project? Disclaimer btw: I am not the one either capable of or interested in doing such a book project, and I ask this just out of mere curiosity, but as a long-time collector I surely would be a buyer of such a fine book, another one in a series of very fine samples already available from a bunch of esteemed authors - y´all know the names, of course. May be I am a bit old-fashioned, while I still prefer books over digital archives, but then again there are people like Michael Johnson, who are doing a really fantastic job here, thanks again Michael! Alex Berlin/Stade, Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Fine picture of the huge main mass of Norton County. http://www.project1947.com/gfb/lapaz.htm Darren, Doug - I guess in recoloring the pics, the stone should stay white :-) Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight
St, Matteo, don't forget the dimension of time. Tiihihihime is on his side... Mike is a prophet. And we all will wonder in a few years only... Buckleboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 22:26 An: Lee; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight Farmer its well know for the ridiculus prices on ordinary chondrites type NWA200 gram of NWA 869 I sale for $40, I find who work in many forms for $20-30well Farmer, explain where is the $400 value??? You say $400 but when ended the auction this go sold for many under the price you askwhy you no put the start price of $400 and look if go sold??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests
Hola list Prof. Wickramasinghe emailed today and wrote, that they will explore the hypothesis, which we gathered together here on the list, that those cells may origine from the meconium of insects. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 23:09 An: 'Meteorite Mailing List' Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests I have been following this story for a while now and am surprised that the media has not had much coverage on it. Personally, I think it is a fascinating theory, though stranger things have rained from the sky like frogs, fish, and sticky white goo, which was later determined to be bee poop. Here is another (older) link with some good info: http://education.vsnl.com/godfrey/ Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:36 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7BEC0520F4-92DC-45 2E-AB55-AD89E642DF32%7DCATEGORYNAME=National Kerala red rain was comet disintegration Ceannai Online May 31, 2006 Kottayam, May 31: The red rains in Kerala five years ago was the result of the atmospheric disintegration of a comet, according to a study. The study conducted at the School of Pure and Applied Physics of the MG University here by Dr Godfrey Louis and his student a Santosh Kumar shows that red rain cells were devoid of DNA which suggests their extra-terrestrial origin. The findings published in the international journal 'Astrophysics and Space Science' state that the cometery fragment contained dense collection of red cells. Commenting on the study at a press conference here, Dr N Chandra Wikramesinghe, Director of Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology, UK, said what makes this study most important is the similarity of the red particles with living cells. If the red rain cells are finally proved to be of extra-terrestrial origin then that would be one of the most important discoveries in human history. It will change our concept about the universe and life, he added. The red coloured rains were reported in different parts of Kerala from July to September 2001. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
My half cent: From the collector's view it is certainly of interest how high the effort will be to stabilize his specimen, as I doubt, that the average collector has a little lab at home, has the cash to purchase certain quantities of irons to execute test series, to find out which method will work best for a specific locality, nor the time to observe the treated specimens for several years, nor is it dulcet for him to ply chemicals, whereof he is not so sure, what they are doing exactly, so that every conservation method to carry out exceeding oiling or a simple varnish and a storage with desiccants is principally unacceptable. Also a collector has to deliberate about the costs of a professional stabilization of his specimen, as e.g. it makes not so much sense to restore and to elaborately treat a little Campo slab, for which he paid 15 bucks. Of course some offerors let oneself be talked round to do it for free (even if the piece was bought elsewhere and is a locality they always warned to take), but covertly they often will be enervated (as most of them already work for God's pay in their profession, hehe). Other way round it would make no sense for a dealer to spend time and money to stabilize a Campo, Dronino or Nantan, because it wouldn't be rewarded by the buyers, cause they are used to pay on ebay always the same price per gram for the same mass locality and quality doesn't matter. The chlorine problem is in such a way, that, if one buys a specimen of a certain locality - even if it was prepared de lege artis - one NEVER can predict whether it will rust or not and when it will start to rust, because one simply doesn't know, how much moisture and chlorine the very individual piece absorbed from the ground. Of course there are localities, let's take Campo, Nantan, Dronino where from experience the probability that one will catch a ruster is very high, and also the opposite - Gibeon, Imilac, Mundrabilla - often are very stable, but there are exceptions and it's simply a lottery if you will draw the jackpot or a blank. Of course as offeror one has a possibility to check the tendency, in simply taking a specimen to quarantine. If an untreated cut surface kept airtight with dessicants will after a while start fiercely to rust, one knows, that one won't have great fun with slabs cut from this rough specimen. (and some will think, huh, let's throw it away as fast as possible into ebay) But even if it will stay stable one never can't be sure. There are slices, which stay good boys for many years and then they start to oxidise in a sudden explosion. Any collector should be aware, that each iron can rust and most will do rust by.and-by. If he is not willing to take the efforts to care for the nursing of his irons or if he has special unfavourable conditions, e.g. living in a humid climate with sudden variations of temperature, he should not collect iron meteorites, but stone meteorites, as they cause in general not so much troubles (yabba yabba don't start with brown Hammami or Zag, there are only a few exceptions). Btw. In my eyes very harmful in regard to gain more new meteorite collectors are those fellows, who are drilling holes in little Campos ect. and sell them as pendants. The buyers will wear them around, will touch them, and with the contact of sweat, soon they will have hanging a lump of crumbling rust around the neck. You may imagine, that they never will want to have a meteorite again. No less or even more worse, because they should know it better, are those sellers with their New stable Campos. They buy that stuff, no matter if they knew in which soil they were found (which also doesn't say nothing, take Morasko e.g. which were found close to each others, some are rusters, some are as stable as wood), they maybe live in a dry desert state and they sell it with in a few weeks. Are they sitting inside of those chunks? Do they have trained their dogscats to smell the chlorine? Are they visionaries? I'm collecting for 25 years now, and sincerely I don't dare to judge the stability of an entire piece from taking a simple glimpse from outside. Or remember that seller with his gimmick of his new secret Brahin stabilizing method. You can keep it in saltwater ect. absolutely stable for years, he was writing, when he just had used this method for a few weeks only. (meanwhile some of my collectors, who took some slices, reported me, that they do rust). Those are highly unreliable sellers. You may wonder, why I am so affective in this respect, but I am really sick and tired of the weekly cry for help of my collectors, who bought that stuff under those wrong promises, I can't stand it any longer: Wah my Campo is rusting, bleeh the olivines are popping out, what shall I do... Those sellers do not care about, they might jovially think, that it's the buyer's fault, if he's so stupid to believe the rubbish they are telling. But honestly, if you took such a New stable Campo or such a
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List!!! This here is the funniest scam I got ever! Invest in units for drilling on Mars for water! Just received: Re: CT unit to drill on Mars, Revenue Up 200% (est.) - Ref. dn61745 Coiled tubing units are so compact and have such great potential, the Mars Drilling Project is evaluating a coiled tubing unit to drill for water on Mars. warrens perfidious SPRING, TX--(MARKET WIRE)-- Coil Tubing Technology, Inc. (CTBG) announces the delivery of the first group of 8 Rotating Tools to oil and gas well service companies operating in Mexico and Oklahoma. Designed for use in fishing applications utilizing 2 coiled tubing strings, these tools were delivered and in the field the week of May 1, 2006 slovakia magellan In addition, CTBG has received orders for ten more of these 2 7/8 Rotating Tool units, plus five 2 1/8 Rotating Tools, all of which are scheduled for delivery to customers before the end of the month of May. stellar acerbate CTBG offers the only fully rotating tool for well fishing applications, stated Jerry Swinford, President of Coil Tubing Technology, Inc. Other tools in the marketplace only 'index' or 'turn' in 90 degree increments without fully rotating, which is an inefficient means of latching a fish. We are delighted by the overwhelming response from customers regarding the capabilities of these tools. brittley paraffinoma The Rotating Tool is a device that attaches to the end of a coiled tube to assist with latching a fish, or removing production kits or undesired obstructions from the well by introducing rotation under mechanical pressure. The design and action of the tool is similar to a Yankee screwdriver. If, for example, during normal operations, a piece of coiled tube is broken off and remains lodged in the wellbore, it can be difficult to get the new coiled tubing line past the obstruction. By introducing rotation to the overshot, or latching mechanism at the end of the tool, obstructions can be cleared without the need to manually work the tool through the well head. shinning subjoins Coil Tubing Technology was established in 1998 by an innovative founder that has over thirty years experience in the design of oil-field tools in general and fifteen years of experience in the design of proprietary tools for the coiled tubing industry in particular. With more than fifteen patents either granted or pending, CTBG is the leader in providing new technology to the coiled tubing industry. CTBG has become a one stop rental tool company supplying a full line of standard as well as propietary coiled tubing downhole tools. epidemicities barker COILED TUBING DRILLING TOOLS The Jet Motor maximizes torque and RPM combinations. This motor has the capability to establish bit hydraulics. The long life bearing package allows the tool to stay in the hole longer than average. It can be jarred without damaging the tool which is ideal for drilling through shale. The Jet Motor has been used successfully with MWD and steering tools in drilling applications. The nitrogen power source permits underbalanced drilling. moveover squabbier The Pulsator allows the weight on the bit to be maximized without stalling the motor as the torsional and axial torque are retained within the tool. The maximum tensible strength allows high energy jarring impact while the tool prevents spike loading from migrating up into the generic tool strings. submaxilla frays The HeavyHitter, when used on the upstroke only, provides variable tensible overpull due to its hydraulic metered detent system. The minimum axial drag at detent release provides high velocity of the hammer mass to the anvil. amidst bog THE COIL TUBING BUSINESS The coiled tubing industry continues to be one of the fastest growing segments of the oilfield services sector, and for good reason. CT growth has been driven by attractive economics, continual advances in technology, and utilization of CT to perform an ever-growing list of field operations. Coiled tubing today is a global, multi billion dollar industry in the mainstream of energy extraction technology. ascribed vinaigrette FUTURE TRENDS IN COIL TUBING SERVICES According to Andy Rike, President of Technicoil USA Corp., a CT service company with operations in Canada and the US, We see market growth for coiled tubing services to independent producers in three areas: fracturing, particularly multiple interval completions; re-entry drilling of horizontal laterals or vertical extensions in older wells; and grassroots drilling of shallower wells, including many coalbed methane wells. overbuild forenotices Rike adds that one of the most important reasons for growth of coiled tubing drilling services has been the development of more integrated units. In past years, coiled tubing units were not able to provide the sort of integrated set of equipment capabilities needed for drilling and completion operations. This led to an amalgamation of service company systems cobbled together on site and a situation where the safety,
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And now we need an artist, who will paint it in oil 4 meters wide to hang it over the bar! Skol -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Doug Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 09:26 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] nice... here's some color...at least until my free bandwidth runs out... http://www.geocities.com/meteorhoo/hoba-c.jpg Darren Garrison wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2006 10:01:13 +0200, you wrote: .historical Hoba pic: www.tellmewhereonearth.com/images/hobe%20meteorite%20pic.jpg Here's a quick attempt at cleaning up that shot a little: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/hoba2.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/352 - Release Date: 5/30/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/352 - Release Date: 5/30/06 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
Ooops, Doug, it was really a bad joke from me and as I don't know, whether e.g. Mr.S.A. from C. will try it, when he will have decided that stones are the better wife, I have to make it clear: Lithium is toxic. (ad a lithium terapy against depressions has to be surveyed by a doc). Back to the secret knowledge of our grandmas. Egg-plants and knob celery have a strong tendency to oxidize directly after slicing, perhaps we should ask them for a proper recipe? (Cooking in olive oil with garlic and lemon and hush in the preserving jar with an affectionately painted label?) I have no major problems with rust, Simply because I don't collect that much irons, and I'm avoiding such stuff like Campo, Nantan, Dronino Co. Until now it was always sufficient to keep my irons oiled - I use the gunoil called Ballistol and only in a few cases I had to play a varnish. And ooops again: NEVER apply oil to STONE meteorites!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 19:29 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Martin A. wrote: Hehe, Lithium grease, applied on the tongue it may relieve your depressions in watching your irons rusting to pulp. NOOO just a joke! Kids, DON'T do it at home! Buckleboo! Hey Martin, rumor is that Valium straight up in grain alcohol taken with a pinch of gun oil shaken not stirred lifts the spirits of sad irons, or at least blows them away. Too much lithium grease is hard on the chamois. (I did try white lithium grease left over from my cycling days, and it worked as well as the next grease, with the exception that it is a finer, less oily grease than most and for that it gets a minimal positive. But in the big scheme of things, even the best secret formula of gun oil can't cure cancer! If you enjoy curating like this its time to get a pet. Though, I would like to see some further discussion on dielectric greases, namely the one I used that was for spark plugs and worked fine on a crappy Campo that was thrown away which I rescued in the name of science. As Steve Schoner points out, corrosion is a redox reaction and the best bet is to make sure they go where you want their potential, or better yet, just stonewall (pun?) the flow of electrons (Remember=loss of electrons = oxidation). You need your electrons to stay put on your base metal, so an appropriate dielectric compound is the answer if you are not playing in the make-shift lab to better prepare your specimen by roasting it in the oven and drowning it in the black-magical solvents that some Merlin out there is offering. That where the dielectric grease comes in (it probably isn't a grease at all, not much more than brake oils or transmission oils are oils). Alternately, transmission fluid was suggested. A big pickle jar filled with transmission fluid ought to work well especially when heated for a time to engine temperature. It does penetrate well as someone wants to make sure it gets between the teeth of the transmission gears, not to mention all the corrosion inhibiters. But, I would still try my luck with ordinary this: http://www.midwayautosupply.com/manufacturerminorcategory.asp?Dielectric%20G re ase Or from Germany proven on especially nasty Italian specimens: http://www.international-auto.com/index.cfm/fa/p/pid/2765/sc/8140 Or something a bit more exotic along the same lines: http://www3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/aerospace/node_GS9NWKSQ ZT be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSNNJ6NQDKge/gvel_S3PQPD4JXXgl/theme_us_aerospace _3 _0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html Or, Maybe Rusty Bill has these all beat, btw since the US military knows a lot and uses it on their oriented nosecones. A material that has great dielectric properties and goes on so thin, you can't see it that comes with a light maintenance schedule. Cada quien su rollo (to each his own eggroll)... http://www.paleobond.com/MeteoriteProducts.htm Then again, it all depends on whether these roasted, char-broiled, and parboiled, chemically cured, coated and pickled pieces of metal really have a heart of a meteorite left in them or are just chemically modified vulcanized masterpieces* for boasting taxidermeteoricists. It's probably ok - but why, and loses all kinds of trace stuff near the surface...not that corrosion wouldn't have the same effect. That meteoriticistical alteration would be a good question for a museum curator as long as it is a research collection and not a Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not collection where a chunk from a junkyard would be just as an effective draw with the right promotion. Hopefully if I ever get picked up by a UFO the beings won't be so crude in their pickling methods. I'd just like to tell them that once you loose the natural look and feel of things, getting cremed is better than a slow death by
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.historical Hoba pic: www.tellmewhereonearth.com/images/hobe%20meteorite%20pic.jpg Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Here we go, With the perfect meteorite dealers disguise I had in mind: http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3611.jpg M.B. http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/hm17000971.jpg B.TMM.H http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3882.jpg I.K. I had in mind, but K.R. or B.K. would work as well, http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3990.jpg B.R. but also B.R. http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/kb1909.jpg Was easy, as it is the prototypal geologist's beard. I was especially thinking of a Mr.K. from Germany, but there are many many others valuable solutions, see Captain Blood's meteorite friends page. Aaand the winners are, with 3 correct answers out of 5, each: Bob Evans. Ingo Herkstroeter. Congrats. The Kunya-Urgenchs will be send out on Monday. I found now my outfit, will create a new meteorite dealer style: http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km7033.jpg Buckleboo! Martin PS: Btw. Did you notice, how fast Kunya-Urgench disappeared? Almost nothing available anymore. I guess in a few years it will be rather in the 10-15$/g range, than the known 4-6$/g now. Hmmm - one of the very largest stones felt ever, national monument, nothing coming out anymore from Turkmenistan since years. Anyone a picture of the 1ton main mass? I have some handful of fragments left. Oxidized like all, which were available throughout the last 3-4 years. Are o.k. as reference specimens. Have between 0.5-3grams. If I don't have to set them on ebay and save time and fees, I'll give them away at 3.5$/g. Just gimme a note. This was an Ad, I confess. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Folks, in preparing for Ensisheim and thinking about Tucson, I didn't know how to present myself there, I surfed around And found the secret provider, where all of the big numbers in the meteorite biz got their equipment from!!! A tricky choice... http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3611.jpg http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/hm17000971.jpg http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3882.jpg http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/km3990.jpg http://www.dadashop.de/peruecke/kb1909.jpg (7 grams of Kunya-Urgench for free, if you tell me to whom I was thinking...) Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] 1.2 Ton Mundrabilla Meteorite To Be Sliced Up forResearch
Poor Mundrabilla! But what are the Aussies looking for? It wouldn't be necessary to destroy the fine piece. Wasn't the 12.1 ton mass cut in slices in former times? And here we have a 100pound sample at Nasa http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0210/22mundrabilla/ Such materials could be used for future spacecraft, improved jet aircraft and in various manufactured goods from cars to household materials. Jah exactly, I want to swap my Teflon pan against a Mundrabilla-pan, thank you Nasa. (But a car made out of Campo, I'll never buy..) Moscow Acad. of Science Mundrabilla slice: http://www.fmm.ru/meteoritesen/mundrabillaen.html Smithonian Mundrabilla slice: http://www.impactika.com/mundrabilla.jpg (thanks Anne!) Yippiie: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/MUNDRA.JPG (thanks Sergej Vassiliev) A here: http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/Largest/MUNDRABILLA-02.jpg (thanks Mike Jensen) And there: http://www.sweb.cz/meteority2/impakty/meteority/mundrabila.jpg Anyone a photo of the huge Mundrabilla slice in London? Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ron Baalke Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2006 22:47 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] 1.2 Ton Mundrabilla Meteorite To Be Sliced Up forResearch http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19235735%255E2862, 00.html Just a slice of heaven Mary Bolling Herald Sun (Australia) May 24, 2006 WHAT'S 1.2 tonnes, as big as a washing machine, and falls out of the sky? It's a meteorite, but don't panic -- it arrived in Melbourne by truck. The monster meteorite fell about 200,000 years ago at Mundrabilla, on the Nullarbor Plain in WA. And it's in Melbourne with steel specialists Bohler-Uddenholm, who are slicing up the giant for research. The Dandenong-based team have used a 13.5m saw to cut the nickel-iron rock in half, and are slicing one half into 15mm thick slices. Each time they cut through the meteorite, it takes eight hours of constant sawing. Bohler-Uddenholm sales manager Warren Spencer said it would take about a week to carry out the job. It's the first time we've ever had to cut a meteorite, but basically it's a solid lump of iron with a few holes in it, Mr Spencer said. An Australian museum will research the meteorite. It will then be on display to the public. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quiz - solution
Wonders of the Universe, the fine specimen http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz1.jpg is a good ol' BRENHAM. Only one correct solution we got: From Frank Prochaska! Buckleboo! Martin Andi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Lost Opportunities, Onions Hailstones
Armando, extracted from an african (synonimous of stupid, between the lines) country, ahem, dear patriot, shall we read between your lines, that the Portuguese are stupid too? In 1998, another meteorite falled, and this time, most of it was sold to tourists, and dispersed like toys in ebay, to resell it at the prices that we know. Sorry, but that is silly. In 1999 the NWA-desert-rush was still to come. On ebay weren't found such a large number of meteorites yet as today, there were less dealers present with their pages on internet and there were less collectors than today (who are still a tiny group). From my weekly work I know exactly that most people, although we have now a good presence of meteorites on internet, aren't aware of meteorites at all, they do not know, what a meteorite is (or only from Sci-Fi movies), they have no idea about meteorite prices. Today. 7 years ago the situation was even worse. Hence that a layman would then have had the idea to sell his cheap souvenir at a gigantic price elsewhere or even on ebay - observe please even nowadays the meteorites (or pseudometeorites) offered by non-dealers, non-IMCA-collectors or by people unknown to the small meteorite community, how mere the resulting prices are, because the collectors have doubts about the authenticity, hence that a tourist, a layman, would have made years ago big cash on ebay with his Ourique-keychain is truly rubbish!! To follow your logics - Australia is placed in the Human Development Index of UN on third place, then quite civilized, I guess. If I go here in Munich to a supermarket, there I find offered onions. Onions from Tazmania. No joke. Those tazmanian onions cost the same as German onions. Well, the supermarket makes profit in selling these onions (the in-betweens too) and finally the onions were shipped around half of the globe. (I guess 400 years ago, one would had erected a monument for such an onion..). From these factors you may conclude, that there must be a huge difference between the selling price in the Bavarian supermarket and the cash the Tazmanian onion farmer (HDI ranking place 3, hence not a naïve native) got in his hand. Where is your outcry against the predators and looters of the international onion mafia!!! What you should learn. A meteorite dealer/hunter offers a service to the collector, main service is, that he makes available at all different meteorites to the collector (and in almost all cases of new finds automatically to science too for free). And a meteorite seller has remarkable expenses to bear to be able to do so. Hey Mike, tell what you spend each year for your trips only! It isn't that simple, how John Armandoe does imagine. This was an example chosen from commerce. But that analogy limps as we say here, because for meteorite there exist no market at all. Please check the list archive, this issue was discussed a hundred times here. Meteorites are so rare, that even with the desert rush of the last years we are talking about midget quantities and ridiculous monetary volumes, because meteorites simply are still the rarest items on Earth. And there is absolutely no demand on Earth for meteorites at all. Among 6 Billion of people there are worldwide only about 1000 meteorite collectors, who are the clientele of the handful of professional meteorite sellers. There is simply no demand. You can find an exotic meteorite type, a stone of 10kg and you can write 100$/g on the price tag, and that would be the value you imagine, but it's hypothetical - because then you will need 40 years until the last slice of it will be sold. So we need another analogy. Listen, it's not so stupid as it sounds: In 1983 we had an astonishing hail storm here in Munich. Hailstones were egg to fist-sized, they fell from sky, they destroyed thousands of windows and damaged thousands of cars, so you may take it for a historical event and to the hailstones you could ascribe a cultural and national meaning. And of course perhaps some meteorologists may see a certain scientific relevance in them. Some people stored some grains for a while in their iceboxes until the next cleaning, though practically all hailstones melted away in the streets within a few hours. Would it have been a scandal, if an international hailstone dealer would have ripped off the stupid Bavarian natives in buying some hailstones from them for a bunch of banknotes to resell them to the hailstone collectors? Stupid analogy? Not at all. Meteorites fall from sky, they are not man made, they tend to hit things, they do not care about on which country they rain down (and I guess they fall more equally distributed than hailstones). You say that I'm sick? Hailstones collectors and dealers? Hey man, ask the next passer-by in the street, what he thinks and knows about people, who collect stones, which felt from skies. I think there are as much people on Earth, who have a big hailstone in their fridge, as there are people, who do have a
AW: [meteorite-list] Lost Opportunities, Onions Hailstones
I don't clean it, because it's always empty :-( Guess we should sell the meteorite from our quiz, to fill it. No correct solution of da quiz yet - hence the piece must be exceptional.. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Andreas Gren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Mai 2006 17:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: 'Martin Altmann' Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] Lost Opportunities, Onions Hailstones Martin, What Do you ask for the Hailstones in your ice-box? I know you don't clean it. Andi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite colln of Univ.Tuebingen soon on display?
Hola list, just found this article: http://www.zeit.de/2006/21/bildergalerie_dinge?13 It says, that the University of Tuebingen cleard their cellar and attic out and found 38 astonishing items, wherefrom they will form an exhibitions. Among them meteorites blahblah. Well, the Tuebingen meteorite colln is known at some pieces were on display before, but now a new museum is planned. Let's hope, that there will be more meteorites will be permanently exhibited. The University has 1000 meteorite specimens and must have some fine historical pieces, as it was founded with the donation of the personal collection of Carl Baron of Reichenbach (1788 - 1869) - the discoverer of the Reichenbach lamellae __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] wolf creek meteorite
Hi Norbert, you're not telling the truth :-) Once I took a shale piece from you and when I cut it, a tiny elongated grain of pure metal appeared, 3mm long, less then half a mm wide. First I thought, what for a poor quality blade I had, that parts of it got loose, but when I grinded the cut surface, it turned out to belong to the shale ball. Buckleboo! Martin PS: who falls for a spam mail for the hundredth time. Gosh Corel Draw sounds to me like a typical American meteorite name...seigh. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von ROCKS ON FIRE Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Mai 2006 02:12 An: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] wolf creek meteorite Hello, List and Steve, VERY small pieces, penny size and smaller, have been collected from smashed large shale balls (about 25 kg+). And apparently the Washington US Nat. Museum has got a 62g piece of unaltered Wolfe Creek iron among its 350 kg total. That is all what I am aware. A friend of mine has got a very small thin slice of Wolf Creek iron. Here is a metallurgical microscope picture of it: http://images.andale.com/f2/113/103/4948211/1148519943072_WolfCk10.jpg I have never come across any unaltered iron from Wolfe Creek here in Australia. However, there are rumors that some fragments of unaltered iron have been found on the surface, approx. 8 km SW of the crater. I would not bet my 2 Ozzie cents on this. Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel *ROCKS ON FIRE * IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com http://www.rocksonfire.com Steve Arnold, Chicago!! wrote: Good evening list.I have noticed since I have been collecting meteorites,I have never seen the metal version of wolf creek meteorite.All I have seen is the shale balls kind of meteorite.Did any metal version pop up ever?I am not looking for any,I just need a question answerd.Any help will be helpful. steve arnold,chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty
Hola list, because these are the hours, where beautiful specimens are shown around, what about this one, which we, Andi Gren and I, just got in ? http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz1.jpg Weight: 9 pounds, scale cube = 1ccm. Guess what it is!!?! Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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No it isn't Seymchan. Hey Mike, it was a not so intelligent idea to buy the Baszkowka stone and to drop it in Oman to rerecover it again. The other way round, Mike, the other way round! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Mai 2006 22:45 An: 'Martin Altmann'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty I would guess that it is a superb slice of Seymchan. I have several with triolite such as this piece. Nice specimen. Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:42 PM To: Martin Altmann Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty What kind of pallasite with such a nice graphite nodule can it be?... Fred Selon Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hola list, because these are the hours, where beautiful specimens are shown around, what about this one, which we, Andi Gren and I, just got in ? http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Quiz1.jpg Weight: 9 pounds, scale cube = 1ccm. Guess what it is!!?! Buckleboo! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - NewMaterial!
Ha, Martin, the peacemaker, has the compromise: Desert AND The older - The Better. I have some boxes of tasty W3-4 Dhofar-OCs here... WOW!! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sergey Vasiliev Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 04:27 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AD: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - NewMaterial! Now who says that NWA meteorites are less worthy than others? Me! ;-) The older - the better! ;-) Some old Dag's on ebay ending soon. Just kidding and ADing. ;-) Best regards to everyone, Sergey Yes, it sold out quickly at $100.00 per gram. The most memorable event was at the Gifhorn show in Germany. An old German collector ran up to my table, and although he could not speak a word of English, he showed me a logbook with type names and under CK5 he had nothing. He had heard I had one and came to fill in that slot with NWA 060. Now who says that NWA meteorites are less worthy than others? Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:09 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material! I know, I have some of this excellent material. I believe it cost me $100.00 a gram! - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material! Adam, Michael Cottingham and I recovered the first non-Antarctic CK5 (NWA 060) on our first trip to Morocco, it was only a few hundred grams but looked like it fell seconds before. Weathering was W0. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:00 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material! Dear List Members, I loaded some great specimens this week making for several excellent auctions, some very reasonably priced with Buy-it-Nows for those who do not want to wait. Be sure to check out at least the highlights because there is some great stuff including a Very Rare CK5 MAIN MASS!. A lot of great pieces are still at the opening bid of just 99 cents! To see all of the auctions click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites The Infamous TOOTH STONE, Over five years in the making, no pairings!: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630132294 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630133104 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630133560 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630134093 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630134466 I lowered the price for the third and last time on this excellent complete Zagora silicated iron with a Buy-it-Now price of less than a third of that you will find it priced elsewhere, check it out. This is my very last piece. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630129579 A SHARK TOOTH Sikhote started at just 99 cents, Very Cool!: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6628857456 There are Zero, Zilch, Nada Non-Antarctic CK5s listed in the Catalog of Meteorites! A few have been found since this publication but they are still exceedingly rare. I want to save this World Class specimen from the saw and have priced it to sell. I may have to entertain a trade if it does not sell. You have got to be kidding?, some may ask, a Museum Quality Official CK5 Main Mass started at Just $10.00 a gram with a very low Buy-it-Now! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6629042286 These five specimens represent all that I have of this Newly discovered CK5 besides the Main Mass which I am reluctant to cut: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630137252 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630136820 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630136299 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630135724 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630135428 A rare ungrouped type 3 chondrite with a TKW of only 57.1 grams, a TAW of only a few grams and no known or claimed pairings! These are the last pieces of size that I have. The Main Mass is in a substantial collection. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6628849674 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630137663 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630137865 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630138182 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6630138739 And WAY TOO Many other great bargains still with no bid, even at 99 cents, can be found at this link:
AW: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material!
But some are also collectors of history. At least NWA is that sector with the most increase in value to come... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Marcin Cimala - PolandMET Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 20:12 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material! Now who says that NWA meteorites are less worthy than others? Ha, thats sentence that we should print and hang on the wall, to REMEMBER that we are collectors of METEORITES, not collectors of numbers, names, places, museum numbers or other odd things. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material!
Marcin. Your argumentation you should tell to a coin or stamps collector. Hey man, they are all made of paper or metal... Meow. A part, and that's often the most fun, of collecting is hunting the rare. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Marcin Cimala - PolandMET Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 21:21 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Sergey Vasiliev Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 96 Auctions - Great Stuff - New Material! Hi Marcin, Not sure if I can agree with this statement. Yes, yes I know, old is better, with stories, facts, something that You can tell Your grandson's for goodnight :) But what is a difference beetween Benguerir and Ensisheim ? Nothing :) OK, Benguerir You can have with crust he he. But collector is a strange specie that want things he cant get. 500g Benguerir will not make that other will say Uh Ah, what a specimen. But with 50g Ensisheim everyone will envy. But in fact there must be any bonus if one meteorite is 10 or 20 times more expensive. Im was grow up on NWA rush, so Im pollute with this. If I can choose beetween 500g Benguerir and 50g Ensisheim I will take bigger. Bigger is better. Thats my motto. And becouse Im not a millionaire, bigger from NWA mean cheaper. This is related to building my personal collection. In dealers life, there are other rules, rules of what collectors want :) Viva collectors ! Da freak dealer from end of the world where PayPal not arrived yet. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There is no harm at all, I only wanted to warn you, that some people don't want to give up their dreams... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 01:34 An: Martin Altmann Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back onebay charset=iso-8859-1 and the sky would be blue and the roses and the hematite of New Hampshire would blossom redder than eve Very entertaining Martin. But regarding dreams - a man without dreams is a hollow man. I seek the truth in this thing. I have not made conclusions ahead of evidence. But I do believe there is SOME value to that specimen that is due the man who found it. Let him think its from Mars. If UNH ends up with a nice display piece for their geology department - for a fair price to the finder, where is the harm? Gary Sir 34:1-7 The hopes of a man void of understanding are vain and false: and dreams lift up fools. Whoso regardeth dreams is like him that catcheth at a shadow, and followeth after the wind. The vision of dreams is the resemblance of one thing to another, even as the likeness of a face to a face. Of an unclean thing what can be cleansed? and from that thing which is false what truth can come? Divinations, and soothsayings, and dreams, are vain: and the heart fancieth, as a woman's heart in travail. If they be not sent from the most High in thy visitation, set not thy heart upon them. For dreams have deceived many, and they have failed that put their trust in them. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay
Hehe, I'd like the idea, that it could be a specularite. Anyway, the problem with such people is, as nice they can be, it is impossible to convince them, that their finds aren't meteorites. I had several, almost tragic cases, where finders even had confirmations from different labs, that their stones are very terrestrial, in such cases they tend to flee into strange conspiracy theories. Similar to these, how was their name? Bogey Creek lunatics. All what one can do, to tell them the truth, if they don't believe it, don't waste your time (only if the finders are in severe danger, e.g. if they have found, like it can happen here in Europe some munitions or bombs from WWI+II) it's a free world, where everyone has the right to believe in what he wants. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Göran Axelsson Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Mai 2006 23:12 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay I have written before about this martian meteorite but this is something I sent outside the meteorite list last summer. I've also sent it to the seller but I've never got any answer back. There is a similar rock only three hours drive from my home. It's suspended in a similar way and makes a chiming tone when struck, just like a church bell. In Sweden we call these rocks for tonalite because of the tones it gives when struck. If my memory don't fails me it was classified as a gabbro with a lot of olivine and pyroxene. Some magnetite were also present in it. The source of the rock isn't known, but then we have had a thick ice cap that transported rocks across Sweden. Here's a picture of it. http://www.home.neab.net/guest/Tonalit.jpg ... our's bigger... I would call it a miracle if he got his sold. :-) /Göran Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Darren, He is different. I have met him and have seen this supposed meteorite up close. I have some crumbs and small chips but have two 6 X 1/2 slices coming to me soon. I have also arranged for two more slices to go to reputable geologists to find out just what it is. Whatever it is, it should be identified and placed in the proper museum for showing. It is unbelievable in person. I suspect Magnetite schist or perhaps upthrust continental shelf shaped by magamtic-granite and magnetite replacement, but that is for the experts to answer. Whatever it is it has a value inherent by its magnitude and unusual shape. If it can be explained and displayed to the public I hope he can make some $$$ for his ministry along the way. He is convinced his vision from God is the fact of the matter, and I have explained to him why that is nigh impossible, but he has his convictions. Truth be told, he didn't preach or try to convert and is eager to identify what he has. Still, he will, in my opinion, retain his personal beliefs about its origin. Gary On 13 May 2006 at 14:18, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2006 12:06:19 -0400, you wrote: Easy - the man tells the truth. His verification is by personal vision and he makes that perfectly clear. Therefore there is no fraud. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Let's see it this way: If anyone reads his description of that auction and seriously thinks then, wow, that man is a second Jacob with his dream of the Heaven's ladder, it MUST be a Martian meteorite and will buy it, then I really have no doubts, that the buyer will be very happy with this rock. The seller would build his church, where they would pray each Sunday for the buyer's salvation and the sky would be blue and the roses and the hematite of New Hampshire would blossom redder than ever.. Buckleboo! Martin PS: And like this it will be happen: then a hand appeared holding an instrument that looked like a silver pen. That is the buyer's ballpen, issueing the check PPS: Sir 34:1-7 The hopes of a man void of understanding are vain and false: and dreams lift up fools. Whoso regardeth dreams is like him that catcheth at a shadow, and followeth after the wind. The vision of dreams is the resemblance of one thing to another, even as the likeness of a face to a face. Of an unclean thing what can be cleansed? and from that thing which is false what truth can come? Divinations, and soothsayings, and dreams, are vain: and the heart fancieth, as a woman's heart in travail. If they be not sent from the most High in thy visitation, set not thy heart upon them. For dreams have deceived many, and they have failed that put their trust in them. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gary K. Foote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Mai 2006 00:53 An: Martin Altmann Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay charset=iso-8859-1 Right - up to the point where it becomes fraudlent representation. I'm not sure of the legalities of his trying to sell it as a meteorite from Mars if it has been classified otherwise by multiple institutions. I will certainly advise him of my reservations in that area. Gary On 14 May 2006 at 0:48, Martin Altmann wrote: t's a free world, where everyone has the right to believe in what he wants. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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And new music... http://www.ara.lu/leit/countryc/cc71.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jim Strope Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 15:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter new techiniques and technology Imilac Strewnfield, April 2000: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/imilac/imilacatv.JPG Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
