Re: [meteorite-list] Your Tucson Sales List

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

Tucson List of what? I live in Tucson so, I will be here. 

> On 01/29/2024 7:44 PM EST beverly girten via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> I am interested in your Tucson sales list. I will be in Tucson from Feb. 2-9. 
> Will you still be there? Hope to see you if you are.
> 
> Thanks, Bev
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Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial meteorite

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Alan, With all due respect are you then saying you have doubts about "black 
Beauty" as well? And what are your thought on the Moon being created by an 
impact with earth? Would that not have caused quite a shock to moon rocks as 
well? Just curious. Thanks Carl

> On 07/12/2023 7:56 PM EDT ALAN RUBIN via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> I discussed the possibility of terrestrial meteorites in Rubin (2015),
> Icarus 257, 221-229. Neglecting the effects of the Earth's atmosphere,
> it would take five times as much energy to launch a basaltic rock off
> the Earth as it would to launch the same mass rock off Mars. Except
> for Black Beauty, essentially every shergottite has been severely
> shocked during launch off Mars, transforming the crystalline
> plagioclase into maskelynite. (A few shergottites with no maskelynite
> were shocked-heated even more strongly.) A terrestrial basalt launched
> off Earth would be heavily shocked or completely impact melted. This
> does not seem to be the case for NWA 13188. I don't think it is
> terrestrial.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 4:36 PM Mark Hammergren via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thirty years ago, my thesis advisor, Don Brownlee, and I talked about 
> > potential terrestrial meteorites and how their "asteroids" might be 
> > identified among the population of near-Earth objects. Unfortunately for me 
> > at the time, we decided that any strong identification would rely on 
> > details of silicate chemistry that are tough to measure through 
> > ground-based remote sensing. But we were certain that such bodies must 
> > exist.
> >
> > On the same subject, the moon will be a great place to search for 
> > terrestrial meteorites, and may prove to be the best place to investigate 
> > the conditions of early Earth. Heck, we might even find fossils.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023, 12:27 PM Bob King via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Go to 
> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361365963_Northwest_Africa_13188_A_meteorite_from_the_Earth
> >> At the top click on the blue bar that says download full text pdf. I just 
> >> did it and no fee is required.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:12 AM Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately paywall
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> >>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 2:05 AM, Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There was a presentation at the Goldschmidt Conference in Lyon this week. 
> >>> Here is a link
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2381928-meteorite-left-earth-then-landed-back-down-after-round-trip-to-space/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Albert JAMBON
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Re: [meteorite-list] Researchers discover two new minerals on meteorite grounded in Somalia

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Surprised Farmer let this one end up in China without him. Carl

> On November 30, 2022 at 7:57 PM Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Leonard,
> 
> And another collector provided me with this link to another article on 
> the subject:
> 
> https://phys.org/news/2022-11-minerals-massive-meteorite-reveal-clues.html  
> 
> 
> Anne Black
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> impact...@aol.com
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leonard David via Meteorite-list 
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> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
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> Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2022 12:27 pm
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Researchers discover two new minerals on 
> meteorite grounded in Somalia
> 
> Leonard David FYI:
> 
> Researchers discover two new minerals on meteorite grounded in Somalia
> 
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/29/researchers-discover-two-new-minerals-on-meteorite-grounded-in-somalia
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[meteorite-list] Please add me to the list

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

 
 
  
  Please add me to the list again. I don't know how I got dropped? Thank you.
  Carl Esparza
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Re: [meteorite-list] What Is This Thing? Mystery Rock or Meteorwrong?

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It does look like one of the actual Lunar samples given away by our Government 
(same lucite presentation but without the numbers) back in the day. I have seen 
one like it that was given to a Tucson Ratheon executive. It is my 
understanding that the Gov. wants these back so, it is likely unsaleable if 
that is what it is. Carl

> On November 9, 2020 at 10:26 PM Paul via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Reddit, there is an item (rock?) labeled "AN/TCS-62" that
> many people are guessing is either a meteorite or Moon rock at:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/jr62jh
/my_grandpa_gave_this_to_me_before_he_died_does/
> 
> Although I disagree with either identification, the members
> of this list might have fun making their guesses as to what
> this mystery specimen is.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

Carl, List, Yes, many of us would love to see pictures and even the 'movies' 
you've posted in the past of Black beauty (magic from inside the material) are 
a sight to behold. Please show us more and more. 
Carl Esparza

> On June 14, 2020 at 6:05 PM Carl Agee via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have started to add photos and sometimes graphs or figures for
> exceptional samples to MetBull classifications. I agree that photos of
> garden variety equilibrated OCs might not be that interesting, but
> sometimes they are. For me it is no extra work to post photos since I
> always have microprobe BSE images and smartphone photos of the deposit
> sample. I certainly agree that added value to the MetBull is a plus.
> 
> Carl
> 
> *
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> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:48 PM Jean Alix Barrat via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> >
> >   [EXTERNAL]
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > it could be a good idea to include some pictures. However, it could be a
> > false good idea. Most meteorites are not spectacular and will not be
> > studied by anyone other than those who make the initial description. Who
> > is interested in ordinary rusty chondrites? What outstanding science
> > will be brought by these samples? Is it really important to complicate
> > the work of the classifiers for these samples? Who will agree to do this
> > work if the procedure becomes even more demanding?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jean-Alix
> >
> > Le 14/06/2020 à 20:55, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list a écrit :
> > >
> > >> I have started in Meteorites group discusion that every new 
> > >> classification should include few photos of specimen….
> > > Excellent idea, Marcin!
> > >
> > > It exists for many mets from Antarctica already!  Why not for all the 
> > > newly classified mets? Including thin section photos!!!
> > >
> > > https://tinyurl.com/ybygnu78
> > >
> > > BTW: I’m not too fond about facebook policy but facebook is where the 
> > > meteorite world takes place!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

lIST,I have never left the met-list . I see it every morning and still enjoy 
it. Every once in a while someone posts something interesting on it. Just the 
other day Dolores Hill used it to invite all of us to an osiris event. I do 
miss the action from the past here but, facebook more than makes up for it. 
Just as much drama and excitement as this list used to have. Seems to be room 
for both. Some of the newbies like Topher keep facebook fun. 
Carl Esparza

> On June 14, 2020 at 1:46 PM Marcin Cimała - POLANDMET via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Marcin,
> 
> I did not mean my reply to sound aggressive or personal towards you. I
> have always liked you and never had a problem with you personally. I
> just don't like Facebook (or Zuckerberg) and the increasing stagnation
> of this fine mailing list is a direct result of social media sites
> like FB siphoning away all of the online oxygen. Facebook seeks to
> control information and discourse - a monolithic entity answerable to
> nobody that exploits it's userbase as a resource to enrich itself. It
> does this without regard to the collateral damage done to privacy or
> civil rights. All the while, FB is doing nothing original or
> innovative. Chatting, posting, groups, and every other functionality
> of FB are things we can do elsewhere. We don't *need* Facebook. It
> needs us.
> 
> =
> Nothing personaly ofcourse.
> I completly dont understand Your point of view and negative approach. I 
> never saw any "control information" on FB except some "jail time" for some 
> persons for their political comments or radical posts. Even I was 24h banned 
> once but it was becouse of my comment under political post. So this was not 
> connected to our hobby. If You stay away from bullshit like political posts 
> You are safe. It was surprize for me but I completly agree with this "jail 
> time". It was lesson.
> 
> I tryed to show You how to use Facebook as very valuable, friendly platform 
> but seems You are too negavite to it. Sorry to see that. Its Your right, I 
> understand.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This List introduced me to the meteorite world. It brought me to the
> dance, so to speak. And after many years of playing the social media
> field, I have come back home to my high-school sweetheart, the
> Met-List.
> 
> ===
> me too, it was the best source of meteorite informations, sales, but it was 
> many many years ago. Its like Met Bull with classification info but without 
> photos of specimens. Its like telling that Radio auditions are better than 
> TV shows becouse in TV speaker is watching You. I cant agree becouse its up 
> on You how You use it. You dont have that controll watching TV or read 
> newspapers. You eat what they serve You there.
> 
> 
> A lof of other collectors and dealers still congregate on FB and many
> do quite well with sales. That's fine and I wish them success in what
> works for them. I was one of the first handful of meteorite people to
> become active on FB back in 2009 and now I am not the first to pack up
> and leave that venue. I probably won't be the last. I've already
> noticed that some List members are not very active on FB any more.
> Maybe it's for the same reasons or they have their own reasons. But, I
> think it's high time to get this mailing list rolling again. FB has
> stolen the thunder for too long. The Met-List and FB don't have to be
> mutually exclusive and both can co-exist. But, if Zuck and FB had
> their way, venues like this mailing list would be trampled into
> silence or absorbed into the Borg-like collective that is Facebook and
> Amazon.
> 
> To each their own, but long live the List!
> MikeG
> 
> 
> I still cant understand what Zuckenberg have to You reading my posts in 
> meteorite group about my new slices.
> Sorry but this sounds like irrational bullshit to me. This is soo strange 
> that You have used FB before so what happend ?
> 
> Nothing personaly Michael.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/14/20, Marcin Cimała - POLANDMET  wrote:
> > This is not a good point. You missing it.
> > Do You watch TV ? You choose TV program You want to watch. You buy
> > newspapers You think are worth Your money.
> > Same You do on facebook. You choose Your friends and groups You want to
> > watch for informations You want to see. Valuable for You. If they are 
> > crap,
> >
> > You leave groups, You unfriend stupid peoples the same as You turn to
> > another TV channel if they start comercials in the middle of movie or You 
> > go
> >
> > to another page if there is stupid article or not interesting for You.
> >
> > You have Your smartphone and computer? They spies You even better than
> > cameras on the streets. Then why You think Facebook spies You better than
> > Your phone ? 

Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting take on Tunguska

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

Interesting,
They said: "The lack of iron debris is also explained by this high velocity, 
since the object would be moving too fast, and would be too hot, to drop much. 
Any mass lost would be, the researchers said, through the sublimation of 
individual iron atoms, which would look exactly like normal terrestrial 
oxides." So my question is; Were any oxides found and or collected from the 
area? 
Carl 

> On May 11, 2020 at 2:35 PM Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe someone who has access to the original paper can answer if the author's 
> modeling takes in account the fall directions of trees under the blast.  The 
> summary doesn't address that.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, May 11, 2020, 11:00:59 AM PDT, Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Some new research on the Tunguska event -
> https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-a-new-theory-about-the-colossal-tunguska-event-explosion
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Group hunt Willcox Playa dry lake near Tucson Feb 3rd/5th

[CARL ESPARZA via Meteorite-list]

The last time I drove by there, it looked like a real lake. I don't know how to 
check that now without driving there. Lots of Cranes hanging out there in the 
water. 
https://tucson.com/news/local/as-many-as-sandhill-cranes-roosting-near-willcox/article_0195a014-702a-5052-9eaf-757989b7dc77.html

Carl Esparza

> On January 31, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you know what one inch of rain does in the desert ? 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 31, 2020, 12:08 PM, Raymond Borges 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > I've tracked the precipitation for NOAA since December in 
> Willcox Playa and it has been less than 1 inch this month.
> > There is currently no rain or snow predicted for Willcox AZ that 
> > week according to the Weather Channel and weather underground.
> > On some sites, they say the probability is 10 to 30% at the highest.
> > 
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | Willcox, AZ 10 Day Weather |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 11:52 am MST   |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | Print  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | DAY| DESCRIPTION| HIGH / LOW | 
> > PRECIP | WIND   | HUMIDITY |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | TODAY  | Sunny  | 59°30° | 0% 
> > | NE 7 mph   | 25%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 31-Jan |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | SAT| Sunny  | 63°32° | 0% 
> > | NE 9 mph   | 35%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 1-Feb  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | SUN| Mostly Sunny   | 69°39° | 0% 
> > | SSE 11 mph | 33%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 2-Feb  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | MON| Partly Cloudy/Wind | 59°29° | 
> > 20%| SW 29 mph  | 50%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 3-Feb  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | TUE| Partly Cloudy  | 46°22° | 
> > 10%| W 13 mph   | 28%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 4-Feb  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | WED| Mostly Sunny   | 47°25° | 
> > 10%| WNW 13 mph | 33%  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > | 5-Feb  |||
> > ||  |
> > 
> > ++++++--+
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 12:43 PM Michael Farmer < 
> > m...@meteoriteguy.com mailto:m...@meteoriteguy.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Better look at the weather. Lots of 

Re: [meteorite-list] Both Aguas Zarcas specimens have been sold

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

You Rock kevin.Can't wait to read the rest of your story. Carl

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 Kevin Kichinka via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Team Meteorite:
> 
> Some have said that the M-List has ceded its usefulness to FaceBook.
> 
> In the case of selling this exciting, brilliantly fresh fall, I beg to
> differ. I had six solid inquiries and the two were sold in 18 hours.
> 
> In this aftermath, I humbly suggest that this fall will not soon be
> forgotten, perhaps joining the ranks of Peekskill and Murchison.
> 
> Why?
> 
> - Yesterday's revealed CM2 classification suggest new discoveries that will
> be made
> - It is a 'Hammer', significant to those who enjoy that sub-set of
> collecting
> - It fell in an exotic place as only the country's second meteorite - both
> falls (the last in 1857)
> - Unspoken at the moment, there await 'colorful characters' soon to be
> revealed
> - A mountain of video exits of the event, including one of the fireball
> flying horizontally over the crater of the erupting 'colasis', Volcan
> Turrialba.
> 
> Excuse my special excitement at the one, it's a volcano who's crater I once
> ate lunch in, staring up at 360 degrees of crater rim and sulfur- steaming
> *fumeroles*.
> 
> I suggest these factors make this the most important and endearing
> meteorite so far in the 21st century.
> 
> Regarding the provisional name of Aguas Zarcas, according to WIKI, "comes
> from the hot spring waters that could well be called "*Aguas de azul suave*
> ".
> 
> Sweet. The "soft blue waters".
> 
> Pura Vida.
> 
> I hope that this name sticks. The town of Aguas Zarcas has a post office, a
> requirement for being named. The University of Costa Rica and all news
> media in the country call it that. The local people call it that. The name
> 'sounds like' something Costa Rican. The various pueblos that adjoin the
> town are merely scattered houses and cow pasture.
> 
> But if another name is deemed necessary, the only other candidate worthy of
> a chondrule of consideration would be 'La Cocaleca' for reasons of witness
> testimonies, volume of recoveries, and in honor of the families who have
> lived there for decades and did the initial recovering.
> 
> "Papa, es eso un meteorito en nuestro patio delantero?"
> 
> "Dad! Is that a meteorite in our front yard?"
> 
> I hope that Paul and Jim allow me to share the story that will likely grow
> into a legend.
> 
> Thanks to all that wrote me here at Nine Degrees North.
> 
> Kevin Kichinka
> Where Two Toucans flew by my door at dawn today.
> Somewhere west of Puriscal, "Chicharone Capital of Costa Rica'
> "The Art of Collecting Meteorites" available as an eBook on Amazon

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[meteorite-list] Wired Magazine Farmer and Ward , Haag featured

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Great Meteorite magazine article
; 
https://www.wired.com/story/scramble-claim-worlds-most-coveted-meteorite/?fbclid=IwAR2O7tzs7Ii4hx9HiUUgZ1QFr3FQi3vwUDvENkiksEJKUIcCwQw3iJOR7-U
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[meteorite-list] Fred Olsen article

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List here is a link to Fred Olsen's accident. RIP. 
https://kval.com/news/local/sheriff-denver-man-dies-after-boat-takes-on-water-in-bandon?fbclid=IwAR030wJfElOy3LZP8NQjCgCiyonw_2US6CoJ9kzfI1Mfim_dHC6ZWCmHq3M
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

So sorry to hear of his passing...my deepest condolences to his  
family and many friends...May God's Blanket of Comfort give you all peace. 
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 Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> This is very sad news! Fred was a super nice person who always had a 
wonderful attitude and always friendly. He will be missed greatly. My 
sincere condolences to his family.

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

gmh...@centurylink.net



-Original Message- 
From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 3:49 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Oh no!

Fred was a wonderful person with a great attitude and a ready smile. I had 
the pleasure to share some fun times with him drinking margaritas in ET's 
room in Tucson and going out to dinner.

My condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed. ☹

Mend Ouzillou

-Original Message-
From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
To: IMCA New Mail List 
Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Fellow Members,

It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
left us.
Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he 
loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.

This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.

Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.

Bob Falls
President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
Member #2413
www.imca.cc






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Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of thieves

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Blake, Somehow our local Police get the news to show these thieves on the 
nightly news and ask that if you know them please let the police know. These 
people would be recognized by someone who knows them. If nothing else if they 
see the news themselves the shame  might get them to return the pieces. 
Carl
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 almitt2--- via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Hi Blake and all,
> 
> I've been scrutinizing these pics. I am pretty sure these people
> came in the room when I was in there at one time. I remember the blue
> shirt guy and the women. I might remember the gray shirt guy. So they
> may have picked up some other items and it might be worth checking out
> other parts of the video at a time when I was there. Best wishes all
> (except to the thieves)!
> 
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
> 
> 
> 
>Quoting Blake via Meteorite-list
> :
> 
> > To answer a couple issues,
> >
> > Yes the gal in the picture was with the guy who stole the Sikhote.
> I
> > believe that they were working with the guy in the blue shirt. In
> the
> > video it seems to me that he was blocking Blaine's view so the guy 
> > could take the Sikhote. The gal didn't come into the picture until 
> > after he took it and then they switched places (guy and gal) so he 
> > could take the Mount Dooling. I'm pretty sure the gal was in on it.
> 
> > They came into the room as a couple and I doubt that he could end
> up
> > showing to her without her knowing how he got it.
> >
> > My ability to send the video is limited by my server. I re-did the 
> > clip (made it shorter) so I can send it (20MB). I wanted to make
> sure
> > that it was in full 1080 resolution. The Mount Dooling was behind
> the
> > necklace display so the only way you can tell he took it is seeing 
> > him reach for it then you have to zoom in and single step as he
> pulls
> > his hand back. Then you can see an end of the rock sticking out of 
> > his hand as he puts it in his pocket in a couple frames.
> >
> > Windows 10 no longer has movie maker. A lot of people are
> complaining
> > about that. You have to down load a movie editor. I think there is
> a
> > version of movie maker available but I doubt that this little 
> > tablet/laptop could handle it well. My old (really old) XP machine 
> > does have it but I doubt that it could handle it well either. I do 
> > have a clip that I can send from my system but then it becomes a 
> > question of what the receiver's server can handle (usually 10MB).
> >
> > Blake
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Skull Carved Out of an Iron Meteorite

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

I saw this at the Tucson Gem show before it went to auction. click link below.
https://news.artnet.com/market/meteorite-skull-carving-bonhams-360752
Very impressive.
Carl
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 michael kelly via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
>  Guess the real questionis where did the scrap go?  I can admire the 
> craftsmanship.  And i am sure it presents a challenging medium to work.  I 
> can also imagine 15 lbs of srap going into a rubbish bin :( probably more 
> scrapped than i will ever be lucky enough to tuck into my collection.
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018, 9:31:33 PM EDT, John Lutzon via 
> Meteorite-list  wrote:  
>  
>  Maybe this 3rd post will get posted.?
> 
> I really need Someone to explain to me why it is totally
> acceptable for someone to cut/slice and/or bathe in acid every meteorite
> they can get their hands on (some very rare) and then sell them
> at a considerable profit and possibly make a living---but to shape it
> into Any other shape is a shame. I hope I spelled Hypocrisy correctly.
> 
> Hopefully this skull will wind up in a museum and be preserved for hundreds
> if not thousands of years---long after the average collector's specimens
> are long gone.
> 
> Love ya Anne, John
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[meteorite-list] STEVE CURRY STORY

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Dear list, Faux Meteorite seller Steve Curry's story in print here. It's long 
but tells the whole story. 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/25/17492902/meteorite-hunting-authentication-steven-curry-montrose-colorado
Carl
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Re: [meteorite-list] The top 60 meteorites

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, 2 more missing.
ALH 84001 ; Martian, 1st meteorite suspected of possible life
Tucson Iron; 1st to have a $ one million reward  (offered by Bob Haag). 
Carl
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 Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
 wrote: 
> Great to hear from you Martin. And thanks for reposting that great
article. It's well worth another read.  :)



On 5/11/18, Dark Matter  wrote:
> I think a top ten list would be much more effective.
>
> There could be an overall 10, a beginner 10, an advanced 10, a historic 10,
> a scientific 10, a representative (teaching) 10, or a personal 10.
>
> But as Mike noted with:
> “NWA 998 - very interesting Martian that holds it's value well.”
>
> The subjectivity will become overwhelming. I know. I’ve been there.
>
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/November/Accretion_Desk.htm
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 10:28 AM Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
>
>> Great list Mendy. You hit most of them. I would only add a small handful.
>>
>> NWA 482 - probably one the most interesting lunars for a variety of
>> reasons.
>>
>> NWA 998 - very interesting Martian that holds it's value well.
>>
>> Bonita Springs or Winona - for the Indian connection.
>>
>> Glorieta Mountain - arguably one of the most beautiful US pallasites.
>>
>> Chelyabinsk - this one needs no introduction.
>>
>> Calcalong Creek - the lunar that started it all - if you can find a
>> Bessey Speck of it.
>>
>> Carancas - the crater maker.
>>
>> Off the top of my head that's all I can think of right now
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/11/18, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>> > Someone on my FB page
>> > (https://www.facebook.com/groups/meteorites.tektites.impactites/) asked
>> a
>> > great question about what are the "must have" meteorites as a NEW
>> > collector.
>> > I thought this would make a great topic of discussion for the MetList
>> > as
>> > well. Here is a list I found online many years ago. I certainly do not
>> > agree
>> > on some of these meteorites, but what would you recommend to add or
>> remove?
>> >
>> >
>> > This list is 60 meteorites, I’ll filter through all responses and see
>> where
>> > we end up. I'm not stuck on 60, could be 50 or it could be 100. Please
>> > do
>> > not recommend meteorites that are unobtainium. If you could explain
>> > your
>> > choice that would be a great benefit.
>> >
>> > Allan Hills A76009
>> > Allende
>> > Almahatta Sitta
>> > Ash Creek
>> > Barbotan - Historic (1790)
>> > Brenham
>> > Camel Donga
>> > Campo del Cielo
>> > Canyon Diablo
>> > Chergach
>> > Chinga
>> > Cumberland Falls
>> > Dar al Gani 400 - Lunar
>> > Dhofar 007
>> > D'Orbigny
>> > Ensisheim - Historic (1492)
>> > Esquel
>> > Gao-Guenie
>> > Gibeon
>> > Gold Basin
>> > Gujba
>> > Henbury
>> > Holbrook
>> > Imilac
>> > Juancheng
>> > Krasnojarsk - Historic (1749)
>> > L'Aigle - Historic (1803)
>> > Lake Murray
>> > Lost City
>> > Mifflin
>> > Millbillillie
>> > Mundrabilla
>> > Murchison
>> > New Orleans
>> > Norton County
>> > NWA 869 - L4-6
>> > NWA 2999 - Angrite
>> > NWA 4925 - Martian
>> > NWA 5000 - Lunar
>> > Pallasovka
>> > Park Forest
>> > Pasamonte
>> > Peekskill
>> > Peña Blanca Spring
>> > Plainview
>> > Portales Valley
>> > Sayh al Uhaymir 001
>> > Siena - Historic (1803)
>> > Sikhote-Alin
>> > Seymchan
>> > Tagish Lake
>> > Tatahouine
>> > Travis County (a)
>> > Vaca Muerta
>> > Valera
>> > Weston - Historic (1807)
>> > White Court
>> > Wold Cottage - Historic (1795)
>> > Zag
>> > Zagami - Martian
>> >
>> > Mendy Ouzillou
>> > +1-512-554-9987
>> >
>> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Adam, If you read the history part of the bulletin it indicates there is 
perhaps a lot of stones found. While the classifier may have only had 3 in his 
possession as indicated lower in the bulletin. Clearly there is a lot of this 
material. here is the history as written ; 
"  In September, 2011, a Moroccan meteorite hunter found the first pieces of 
NWA 6963 and sold it to AHabibi without giving the exact provenance. The hunter 
continued collecting pieces in the same area for about 6 months. In mid-May, 
2012, the NWA 6963 locality, near the river Oued Touflit, became widely known 
and hundreds of meteorite hunters went to the area searching for more pieces. 
Pieces ranging from 100 to 700 g have been recovered, as well as a few small 
pieces (3-10 g), most of them are broken and partially covered by a thin fusion 
crust. The total mass may be as much as 8-10 kg. ". 
Carl
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 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Nice stone, what laboratory confirmed it?  I only ask because only three 
> pieces are listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin database.
> 
> https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+6963=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=54565
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2018 4:54 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I purchased quite a few NWA 6963 Martian Specimens in Tucson -
> > February 2018. After slicing and selling many of the individuals I
> > came to the last one, a 40 gram specimen.  As I began to take slices
> > off I started seeing inclusions that looked as if they swirled around
> > the interior of the meteorite in a fluid motion. In reality the slices
> > looked more like a loaf of marble rye bread than any Mars specimen I'd
> > seen previously. After contacting two well known meteorite scientists
> > and asking if what I was seeing was a weathering pattern they both
> > informed me that it looked like shock melt. The slices listed on ebay
> > have NOT been polished as sometimes a polished surface takes away the
> > sharp contrast in the two lithologies.
> > 
> > Worth a look even if you're not looking to buy!
> > https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=mr-meteorite=323140487648&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xshock+melted+nwa+6963.TRS0&_nkw=shock+melted+nwa+6963&_sacat=0
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Nourddine, list, I agree with you. Thank you for your wisdom.  I too have been 
needlessly dragged through the coals on this list. It has been proven off-list 
that the bad mouthing I was given was totally misguided but, It matters not. 
The truth is , these actors have caused great harm to this list and some of 
it's members. People need to think before they post. I have never had a bad 
experience with any Moroccan. Only a few crack head Americans. 
Carl Esparza
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 nourddine azelmat via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> 
> Dear John/Adam/List,
> 
> I am greatly saddened to be dragged into what I can only assume is
> 'politically' motivated debate. 
> For my part, I have never heard of this 3KG of Black Beauty, and it is
> frankly farcical to suggest I am part of a conspiracy to keep this off
> market.
> The linking of my few grams, as evidence of a secret cache of Black Beauty
> is at best delusional.
> 
> I have been dealing in meteorites for a number of years and recently on ebay
> where my feedback is 99 percent positive (only negative was someone wanted a
> certificate of authenticity that was never mentioned in the listing).
> 
> My 3g (please note not KG) of BB came from hunters I have known for years
> and I trust absolutely. The material was found in November 2017 in the Sbita
> area " known strewn field of black beauty" and the balance of the parcel was
> sold to a dealer in Belgium. 
> 
> As with the majority of non NWA XXX meteorites I sell, a fragment of my
> material was recently sent to the LFP lab in Germany for analysis (not
> classification) and should it prove to be anything other than BB, I would
> give a full refund. Frankly, given my knowledge and trust of the hunters,
> the probability that they have defrauded me is zero.
> 
> This list has seen the drama of bad US dealers, bad Moroccan dealers, family
> rifts and petty squabbles played out ad-nauseum. However, its use to damage
> people who are doing their absolute best to build a good business is in my
> opinion at least, immensely sad and nothing more than playground bullying. 
> 
> I have many customers who have purchased multiple from me and several have
> become genuine friends, it is that aspect of this community which I love,
> sadly there is a Janus Face to this community.
> 
> John Higgins is angry with me for selling pieces of the Tindouf, Algerian
> Lunar and calling them 'paired NWA 10265' - which is his classification for
> this material. There is zero debate my material is the Algerian Lunar but I
> simply used one of the many many classification numbers associated with it.
> Hands up, I should have just called it Tindouf, Algerian Lunar,  but it is
> utterly wrong to suggest this was an attempt to defraud anyone. Claiming a
> specific classification of the same material is more 'special' than all the
> generic Tindouf material it all represents, is a far greater
> misrepresentation in my opinion.
> 
> I am neither part of an evil conspiracy to keep BB off the market or a bad
> player, I just am trying to make a living and build a long term client 
> business in a field I love.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Linton Rohr R.I.P. -- LINTON ROHR 7/8/56 – 5/8/16

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

RIP Linton. Always enjoyed your company at the Tucson gem Show. 
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 drtanuki via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Dear List,
>   I have only learned that we have lost one of our active METLIST early 
> members.
> Rest in Peace Linton. My condolences to his wife Karen.
> http://www.insiderutah.com/2016/05/25/linton-rohr-7856-5816/ 
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, Interesting Ebay  listing. The seller shows an IMCA number 5743 and 
guarantees authenticity with a certificate. Is that OK with the IMCA if a lab 
has not certified it? 
Carl
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 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.

A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
  He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.

Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q

I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.

Adam




On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:
> I was told it is mythical.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
> NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
> "Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
> analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
> $100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
> interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
> laboratory and is available.
> 
> I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
> anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
> last month.
> 
> Any info would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Sterling, Always great to hear from true Meteorite Royalty. Glad you are still 
posting here. Take care.
Best Regrds,
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 "Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list" 
 wrote: 
> Hi, Jeff, Mattias, List,
> 
> Diamonds are formed deep
> within the Earth's mantle: 
> between 100 km and 200 km
> below the surface at static
> temperatures of 900 - 1300 C. 
> Pressures there are between
> 45 - 60 kilobars.
> 
> A meteor impact, even a
> relatively small one (Meteor
> Crater) can generate 20-25
> kilobars in impact pressures. 
> A 50% increase in veocity
> would boost those impact
> temperatures and pressures
> to diamond-forming levels.
> 
> If it was an iron meteorite
> with carbon inclusions...
> 
> Little diamonds...
> 
> See: Meteor Impact on Solid
> Surfaces, by E. J. Opik:
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1958IrAJ5...14O
> 
> So, don't just drop the lumps
> of coal; throw them down... 
> really hard. And it wouldn't
> hurt to give them a good
> squeeze before you do!
> 
> Another good reference on
> the effect of impact pressures
> and temperatures can be found
> here:
> http://theconversation.com/meteorite-impact-turns-silica-into-stishovite-in-
> a-billionth-of-a-second-48946
> 
> Diamonds and craters go together.
> 
> Russia's largest diamond mine
> IS a crater: "The world's largest
> known diamond deposit was
> formed by a massive asteroid
> impact," they say:
> 
> "Diamonds Beneath the Popigai
> Crater -- Northern Russia:"
> https://geology.com/articles/popigai-crater-diamonds/
> 
> Poipigai is the seventh largest
> crater on Earth, and the world's
> largest known diamond deposit.
> It is 100 kilometers wide, with
> a rim of deformed rock up to 20
> kilometers wide. 
> 
> It was formed by the impact of
> a massive asteroid of 5 or 6 km. 
> The biggest diamonds there are
> only 2mm in size, the size of the
> carbon flakes they formed from.
> 
> Interestingly, the conditions at
> the impact point were too severe
> to form diamonds! "The diamonds
> found today were probably formed
> in a thin zone of rock located
> about 12 to 13 kilometers out
> from the point of impact."
> 
> 
> Sterling Webb
> __
> 
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:39 AM
> To: Jeff Kuyken; Gmail; Tommy; Met-List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar
> system status quo
> 
> Sale of lumps of coal suspended pending further notice ; -)
> 
> Am 10.01.2018 um 11:10 schrieb Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list:
> 
>   Hmmm... diamonds formed from shock with the Earth's
> atmosphere or ground? Really? Can't say I'm convinced but happy to be proven
> wrong. Although if I'm wrong I'm climbing up a tree and going to start
> dropping lumps of coal... ;)
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Jeff Kuyken
>   Meteorites Australia
>   www.meteorites.com.au
>   IMCA #3085
>   www.imca.cc
>   _
>   From: Gmail via Meteorite-list 
>  
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:55 am
>   Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone
> rattles solar system status quo
>   To: Tommy   ,
> Met-List 
>  
>   
>   
>   Seems strange that it has not been classified or published in the
> MetBull which makes me question any of the findings. If I understand
> correctly, meteoriticists/researchers cannot publish papers until the
> meteorite has been published in the MetBull.
>   
>   Mendy Ouzillou
>   
>   On Jan 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list
> 
>   wrote:
>   
>   Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your
> thoughts?
>   
>   Regards!
>   
>   Tom
>   
>   
>   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180109112437.htm
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-terrestrial Hypatia stone rattles solar system status quo

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Here's more info on it. 
http://www.b14643.de/Sahara/LDG_Hypatia/index.htm
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 Tommy via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
>    Have any of you folks heard about this and if so what are your thoughts?

Regards!

Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Minerals

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Graham, Link says error? 

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 Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Interesting stuff eh! StirlingMore detail here sent to me by Mike Simms
> who researched the Stac Fada impact site nearby...completely different ages
> though.
> 
> https://gsw.silverchair-cdn.com/gsw/Content_public/
> Journal/geology/PAP/10.1130_G39452.1/1/g39452.pdf?Expires=
> 1513383426=ZyJk~P3iSeKUu3s-lawkGc9gaNoDu29j1OneAf1oNYsd0gWAACyk~
> RqaY9G2mf7U0BOz0q9iP4uX7aCuwFN9F5D4SfzlfdxfAz2~
> QyIZSzi3AJlTY7hWi5KN6PU81dzRllNkRZFtXaNgYOti1sC~dIFVmvTjln9pvz0NaVeGwtLt~
> nJkruZAtqajYsJQPa7hE~Uk4eEKLCJPdO3vrhm2pQySIcoJdxwi
> 4I1rJtnH8gxvMssyVKMg7GLunpxu2vND5n3qOvQF3Sd8lktQuN5Sy1kwd0dSaHbU-
> gfhsIUthlftQTYK7l7DVcglT80JZgarGAkf9nHWMt6CLtQgM-6hcw__
> Pair-Id=APKAIUCZBIA4LVPAVW3Q
> 
> Graham
> 
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> > *Listees,*
> >
> > *"Alien Minerals Discovered *
> > *at Ancient Meteorite Strike *
> > *Site in Scotland**:"*
> > *http://www.newsweek.com/skye-meteorites-alien-mineral-749103
> > *
> >
> > *"Geologists have uncovered *
> > *mineral forms never before *
> > *seen on Earth at the site of *
> > *a sixty million-year-old *
> > *meteorite strike on the Isle *
> > *of Skye in Scotland..."*
> >
> > *Sterling Webb*
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Warning: Meteorite Fraud Alert

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Gary, Thanks, I just unfriended him on facebook. By the way, We had 36 mutual 
friends on facebook. Carl.
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 Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Aloha mai kākou,

I would like to warn all meteorite collectors, dealers, scientists, etc of a 
person by the name of Sadam Cheikh el Hsene, who lives in Mauritania and goes 
by the name of Meteorites Mauritanie on Facebook. This person perpetrated a 
fraud on me and stole my money. He has not made any effort to remedy the 
situation in the two months since the initial transaction. 

I recently discovered yesterday that Sadam Cheikh el Hsene has stolen money 
from four other of my friends. I have been patiently waiting in the hopes that 
Sadam Cheikh el Hsene would do the right thing, but after discovering that 
others have also been his victims, it is my obligation and duty to warn all 
people of this person. 

Caveat emptor.

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Francesco, Just found another reference to Lunar rock 12039 by Bunch (not a 
meteorite) and I stand corrected.  It has a bulk SiO2 of 47.3 % and also 
Calcalong Creeks bulk chemestry of SiO2 is actually 47.18. So, actually, Well 
within the Lunar range. I'd get it tested. see link below

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23878123_Mineralogy_petrology_and_chemistry_of_lunar_rock_12039
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---- Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
wrote: 
> Francesco, This puts the Fe/Mn ratio at 74.84. This is indeed within the 
> Lunar range of the most famous lunar meteorite "Calcalong Creek". I possess 
> the results of the actual study and the range based on various samples ranges 
> from 67.3 to 72 so, that does not rule it out as being Lunar. The high SiO2 
> makes it doubtful but, Lunars require extensive research. I'd have it tested 
> by a lab to be sure. 
Carl
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 Francesco Moser <coj...@tiscali.it> wrote: 
> I forget Mn, sorry!
> MnO   0.13%
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> xx
> Francesco
> 
> 
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] 
> Inviato: venerdì 6 ottobre 2017 15:50
> A: Francesco Moser <coj...@tiscali.it>
> Cc: Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Oggetto: Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis
> 
> I don't see the Mn percent. That is needed to get an Fe/Mn ratio. 
> Carl
> --
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> 
>  Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
> wrote: 
> > Hello!
> a man have send me some pictures of a dozen stones and asked me wich types of 
> meteorites could be.
> I answered that for me those materials are terrestrial.
> But he tell me that for sure the stones are lunar meteorites :) He has send 
> me this analysis for proving the lunar origin of the stones.
> I'm not able to understand this data, please someone could take a look and 
> tell me if this material could be terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
> No other analysis was done on the stones. I guess that without an oxigen 
> isotopes abundance ratio is impossible to identify a lunar rock, isn't? 
> 
> Method LF200
> 
> SiO2  47.45%
> Al2O3 19.42%
> Fe2O3 9.73%
> MgO   10.16%
> CaO   8.95%
> Na2O  1.75%
> K2O   0.79%
> TiO2  0.29%
> P2O5  0.08%
> Cr2O3 0.01%
> Ba110ppm
> Ni121ppm
> Sc7ppm
> 
> I Have also a detailed list of trace elements.
> 
> This man tell me that the presence of K2O and P2O5 confirm the 
> extra-terrestrial origin of the rocks.
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> xx
> Francesco
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Francesco, This puts the Fe/Mn ratio at 74.84. This is indeed within the Lunar 
range of the most famous lunar meteorite "Calcalong Creek". I possess the 
results of the actual study and the range based on various samples ranges from 
67.3 to 72 so, that does not rule it out as being Lunar. The high SiO2 makes it 
doubtful but, Lunars require extensive research. I'd have it tested by a lab to 
be sure. 
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 Francesco Moser  wrote: 
> I forget Mn, sorry!
> MnO   0.13%
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> xx
> Francesco
> 
> 
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] 
> Inviato: venerdì 6 ottobre 2017 15:50
> A: Francesco Moser 
> Cc: Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list 
> Oggetto: Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis
> 
> I don't see the Mn percent. That is needed to get an Fe/Mn ratio. 
> Carl
> --
> Love & Life
> 
>  Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list  
> wrote: 
> > Hello!
> a man have send me some pictures of a dozen stones and asked me wich types of 
> meteorites could be.
> I answered that for me those materials are terrestrial.
> But he tell me that for sure the stones are lunar meteorites :) He has send 
> me this analysis for proving the lunar origin of the stones.
> I'm not able to understand this data, please someone could take a look and 
> tell me if this material could be terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
> No other analysis was done on the stones. I guess that without an oxigen 
> isotopes abundance ratio is impossible to identify a lunar rock, isn't? 
> 
> Method LF200
> 
> SiO2  47.45%
> Al2O3 19.42%
> Fe2O3 9.73%
> MgO   10.16%
> CaO   8.95%
> Na2O  1.75%
> K2O   0.79%
> TiO2  0.29%
> P2O5  0.08%
> Cr2O3 0.01%
> Ba110ppm
> Ni121ppm
> Sc7ppm
> 
> I Have also a detailed list of trace elements.
> 
> This man tell me that the presence of K2O and P2O5 confirm the 
> extra-terrestrial origin of the rocks.
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> xx
> Francesco
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

I don't see the Mn percent. That is needed to get an Fe/Mn ratio. 
Carl
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 Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Hello!
a man have send me some pictures of a dozen stones and asked me wich types
of meteorites could be.
I answered that for me those materials are terrestrial.
But he tell me that for sure the stones are lunar meteorites :)
He has send me this analysis for proving the lunar origin of the stones.
I'm not able to understand this data, please someone could take a look and
tell me if this material could be terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
No other analysis was done on the stones. I guess that without an oxigen
isotopes abundance ratio is impossible to identify a lunar rock, isn't? 

Method LF200

SiO247.45%
Al2O3   19.42%
Fe2O3   9.73%
MgO 10.16%
CaO 8.95%
Na2O1.75%
K2O 0.79%
TiO20.29%
P2O50.08%
Cr2O3   0.01%
Ba  110ppm
Ni  121ppm
Sc  7ppm

I Have also a detailed list of trace elements.

This man tell me that the presence of K2O and P2O5 confirm the
extra-terrestrial origin of the rocks.

Thanks a lot in advance!

xx
Francesco




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Re: [meteorite-list] Quartz on meteorites

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Hello, I think the question came up because of a facebook post in Meteorites by 
Stefan Ralew that says; "Probably the oldest quartz crystals of the solar 
system (quartz or tridimite). Found in a ungrouped achondrite meteorite from 
the Sahara. More information will follow...". Along with a really nice close-up 
picture of the crystal itself. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=880902565402927=gm.1827294997297820=3=1

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 ALAN RUBIN via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> A few meteorites do contain rare grains of SiO2 including tridymite, quartz
> and cristobalite, but generally these grains are quite small and intergrown
> with other silicate phases. Some IVA irons contain a few blades of
> trydimite, but if you see a rock with several percent or more of quartz
> grains that are millimeter size or larger, it will not be a meteorite.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Abdelfattah Gharrad via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello members,
> >
> > I really want to post my question about quartz longtimes ago,   what I
> > learned that if one sees quartz on a stone then the stone is not meteorite.
> > in my knowledge there are different types of quartz and whose chemical
> > formula is SiO2.
> >
> > habitually no quartz in the meteorites but if there is in a meteorite then
> > it is a rare stone and whose classification differs from other meteorites
> > and testimony of another planet it's just opinion.
> >
> > I think that the meteorites have chemical compositions like the
> > terrestrial stones (magmatic, volcanic ...). the probability that a
> > meteorite contains SiO2 is not zero.
> >
> > if there is a clarification please.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Abdelfattah.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Art Ehlmann

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Anne, Sorry to hear the sad news , He was a great man . I was honored to get 
his autograph . I will certainly treasure it as a reminder of him. 
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> 
> Very sad news today, Dr. Art Ehlmann passed away this morning at the age of 
> 89.
> He was a pillar of the Meteorite World, a friend and mentor to many of us, 
> and will be sorely missed.
> 
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>  
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[meteorite-list] Christies meteorite Auction

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Christies Auction for meteorites; 
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/346?cid=EM_SEM|ACCT:ChristiesScienceBooks|CMP:15410ONLINEMeteoritesMay17RMKTUS|AG:MeteoritesMainStatic|ENGINE:GOOGLE|NT:RMKT|RG:US|BANNER:970x250|IMG:15410meteoritebid0512002SEMAssetsfallback970x250|KW:|MT:|SID:15410
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Re: [meteorite-list] You know who

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To add the story. Curry gave away  free Fake Lunar material to the authorities 
in Quartzie as well. He is not allowed to sell his fake crap so, he gave it 
away to many city council members etc. And he is heading to Tucson for Blaine. 
He caused quite a bit of havic. True story.
Carl

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> You know, I didn't even notice the spelling error to be honest but I 
> clicked on it and it was a page called "The Courthouse News Service". I 
> run linux here so if it has viruses or anything I'm not sure if people 
> running Windows would be affected. The article is about his scamming 
> however.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 01/14/2017 11:03 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > I call BS. Alternate spelling of well-known meteorite afficionado. No way 
> > would I click that URL link.
> > 
> > From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on 
> > behalf of AL Mitorling via Meteorite-list 
> > [meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:30 PM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] He is back
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Don't think this made it through so will try again.
> >
> > http:// www. 
> > courthousenews.com/2012/04/23/45848.
> >  htm
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:23 AM, AL Mitorling 
> > > wrote:
> > Hi Blake and all,
> >
> > As Blake has said, you will have to watch this guy as he is dangerous. Do a 
> > search and you will find some of the previous problems mentioned on the 
> > meteorite list. There are also some legal documents online. Here is one: 
> > http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/23/45848.htm
> >
> > All my best to everyone on the list.
> >
> > --AL
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Blake via Meteorite-list 
> > >
> >  wrote:
> > He is back! Curry that is.
> >
> > I just re-joined the list again. A few years ago I was on to keep track of 
> > Curry. I dropped off because I’m not actually a part of the community (I’m 
> > just Blaine’s brother) and things seemed to have cooled down.
> >
> > Unfortunately things have changed. A couple days ago he went to Quartzite 
> > and convinced the authorities to investigate (sorry Blaine told me the name 
> > of the person they went after but I don’t remember it right now). They came 
> > in to shut him down. Curry convinced them that anyone selling an NWA was 
> > supporting terrorism. They bought it. For now they are “investigating the 
> > situation”.
> >
> > Curry is on his way to Tucson now (may already be there) and is going to 
> > try the same thing. The thing is he (and others) think he is a US superior 
> > court judge and his followers think they are continental us marshals. They 
> > think they have the right and obligation to carry out sentences against 
> > anyone one who disagrees with them (i.e. Curry’s rocks aren’t meteorites). 
> > Anyone selling an NWA is guilty of treason and therefore should be hanged. 
> > He has been on the road claiming that if he can do away with us (me and 
> > Blaine) that he will have billions of dollars to over throw the government. 
> > This guy is extremely dangerous and should be avoided. I can’t post 
> > pictures but I suggest all do some research on him (Steve curry montrose 
> > co) to come up with something.
> >
> > If you see him, My recommendation is to not confront him and run away. 
> > Blaine has been monitoring his activities and his anger level is extremely 
> > high now. He is very dangerous and should not be confronted in any way. 
> > Also, If he is wearing any weapon (knife, gun) we need to know. We have a 
> > protection order against him and if he has any of the above that is a fed 
> > violation and maybe we can deal with it on that level. This guy is VERY 
> > dangerous and should not be taken lightly. Get to recognize him and run 
> > away if you see him. Don’t take any chances. This has gotten way out of 
> > hand and no one needs to be hurt by this bozo.
> >
> > Let’s be careful out there.
> >
> > Blake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing, PetroViewer!

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Wow, This is really cool. Here is a link; 
http://www.petroviewer.com/meteorites. What a great idea. 
Carl
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 Mike Fiedler via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Dear List Members --
> 
> Don't you love those photos of thin sections, with all the dazzling
> colors, and the definitive chondrule shapes and all?  And the cost of
> a single section is often right in line with the cost of a nice
> meteorite slice for my collection cabinet.  So why don't I buy them?
> 
> I lack a scope to examine them with!  And the scopes I've seen on ebay
> leave me wondering, how functional is "vintage"?  Am I ready to gamble
> $600 to $1,000 or more, plus another hundred for a nice thin section,
> to see if I am ready to go that way?
> 
> Then I had an opportunity to examine a thin section under polarizers.
> Wow.  Still pictures don't begin to reflect the fascinating effects
> when polarized light meets birefringent crystals!  You don't have to
> be a geologist to recognize there's magic in them thar rocks!
> 
> I was determined to find a way to share that with folks who haven't
> made the commitment to invest in a scope, and develop an expanded
> collection of thin sections.  I fiddled around for two years, and the
> PetroViewer is the outcome.
> 
> I believe my market is the meteorite enthusiast, or the rock hound,
> who has read about thin sections, seen the pictures, and still harbors
> a curiosity to check them out.  In fact, I would take it as the
> greatest of successes if someone who experienced thin sections through
> a PetroViewer was bitten by the same excitement I felt, and proceeded
> to buy a real scope, and delve into all the petrology and mineralogy
> that thrives around thin sections.
> 
> So today, I introduce a rather modest web site featuring the
> PetroViewer. PetroViewer.com
> 
> I invite your comments, and suggestions, either on or off line, or via
> the Contact Us page of the site.  I have found it challenging to keep
> my focus on providing users an economical way to experience much of
> the fascinating phenomena, rather than try to share all the other
> aspects of meteorites that I love.  I'm certainly open to hearing list
> member's reactions.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts you might care to share.
> 
> Mike
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sad News :-(

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Dana, Thank you for letting us know. larry was a great guy and we are all 
saddened by our loss. He will be missed. 
Carl
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 KD Meteorites via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> I'm sad to tell everyone that we lost one of the best men I ever met; Larry 
> Sloan. He was a very well respected and loved man, always ready with a smile 
> and some of his natural remedies! He loved everything meteorite and will be 
> missed greatly at the shows.
> 
> After I lost my dad in 2006 Larry stepped up and became my second Dad; and he 
> was always there with a smile and some advice.
> 
> The shows will be a little sadder without his smiling face but I'm sure he 
> will do his best to send down some Meteorites from heaven just to keep us on 
> our toes! :-)
> 
> Please send your thoughts and prayers to his family during this difficult 
> time.
> 
> Thank you
> Dana
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] iron meteorite natural color

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Hello, Removal of rust with Naval Jelly will leave it black and it is non 
abrasive.
Carl
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 MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> As hinted to by Marcin, putting a false surface on a meteorite is anything 
> except natural!  It would not be an authentic surface.  You could as well 
> electroplate it with gold.  Cleaning on the other hand removed the natural 
> surface.  IMO if you clean it and get bare metal, it is best to learn to like 
> the surface.  If it is too bright, rub it in a little mineral oil under the 
> assumption that it is for 'protection' and removable anytime.  That can 
> darken it.

Happy Holidays
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list 
To: Meteorite-list 
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2016 10:49 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] iron meteorite natural color

Hello, I have a question.As we know an iron meteorite, such like Campo del 
Cielo for example, have a black surface.I have here a deeply rusted Campo, I'm 
planning to remove rust with a sand blasting process.But with this I will 
obtain a greysh surface, like naked iron, the same color of a slice.Not really 
a natural color for the exterior of an iron meteorite and also not aestetically 
pretty, looks too artificial for me.There is something to do for restore the 
original black color?Or it's better to remove the rust with a traditional steel 
brush, maybe with a drill ???Tips for mechanical or chemical process are 
welkomme!!!I can try with the classical NaOh bath, I have also Phosphoric, 
Citric and Oxalic acid :)ThanksxxFrancesco---Questa e-mail è stata 
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[meteorite-list] Tagish lake study

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Link about Tagish lake's origin; 
http://www.sciencealert.com/this-weird-meteorite-could-be-our-first-ever-from-the-outer-solar-system
Best, 
Carl Esparza
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Re: [meteorite-list] Message-ID: <36b81ef8-abb9-47c9-8b87-55dee050c...@meteoriteguy.com>

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Graham, Sure, today you need an export permit even for stones found prior to 
the ban.  However , There is no law against selling items that were already 
exported prior to the ban. So, I'm sure these are OK to sell. Besides that, 
Michael is in the USA. I'm quite sure there is no US law which prohibits any 
sale of these meteorites. Period. Thanks. Carl

Carl Esparza

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 Graham via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Hi Michael,
>When I saw  this message on the meteorite list today I was 
> more than a bit concerned about the legalities of this transaction and am 
> only Asking if you got the appropriate Certification for these meteorites.
> 
> You Wrote
> (I have made a major purchase of an entire lot of Camel Donga, Eucrite from 
> Australia. These have been in private collection for years.
> I have a kilo of small stones, from less than 1 gram to 32.86 grams.
> Oriented stones $25.00 gram
> Regular stones, $20.00 gram
> almost all of these are 100% glossy fusion-crusted. 
> email for photos and approximate size you want. Most are under 10 grams. 
> I can sell dealer lots as well. 
> Michael Farmer)
> 
> As export of ALL Australian Meteorites are illegal without an export permit, 
> or Certificate from the Museum from the state they were found in. 
> It is no longer acceptable to say they were found in the 1980s before the 
> laws came into effect as it only covers those sent before this date and does 
> not cover any still in Australia!
> I trust you have obtained the said documentation for each meteorite you 
> purchased or one covering the whole collection and you must give a copy to 
> each person who buys from you?
> I see a lot of Australian Meteorites for sale by I.M.C.A. sellers that do not 
> have the appropriate certificates that must be supplied when they are 
> purchased from them?
> 
> I am not singling you out Michael nor saying you are doing something illegal, 
> I am just letting all my Fellow IMCA members know that without the 
> appropriate certification no Australian meteorites can be purchased from here 
> and sold overseas without contacting the appropriate museum beforehand.
> 
> Cheers to all
> Graham Macleod
> IMCA 8781
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorite trades

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Edwin, As an antique dealer I have lots of collections. As you know that 
includes a huge uncatagorized marble collection. I would be happy to show it to 
you next time you are in Tucson. I mainly collect Antiquities, Rock concert 
posters and anything NASA related.
Best Regards,
Carl
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 Edwin Thompson via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Hello to all list members,
>  I am reaching out to the farthest corners of the known world to appeal to 
> any and all collectors.
>  Having dealt in and collected meteorites, tektites and related books since I 
> was just a kid, collecting all kinds of rocks which included a few cherished 
> meteorites as early as the age of six, life has been blessed with lots of 
> treasured finds. By the age of nine my parents allowed me to go off on summer 
> long geology exploring science camp trips with older kids. For three years 
> this was how I spent my summers, digging in fossil beds and agate beds all 
> across the Northwest, areas that have been closed to this sort of activity 
> since the mid to late sixties. At age seven I joined the Oregon 
> Archaeological Society and at age fourteen I was given the privilege of being 
> a dig site foreman for a Scappoose Indian housing and burial site before it 
> was built into the now dismantled Trojan Nuclear Energy Power Plant along the 
> banks of the mighty Columbia river near my home here in Oregon. Over time, 
> life has changed and my interests have changed with the exception of a few 
> common threads. On
 e 
>  of them being that rocks from Space are the coolest of all rocks! 
>  Many of you know that from 1987 until 2002 I displayed and sold meteorites, 
> fossils and artifacts at roughly 48 gem and mineral shows each year around 
> the western United States.
>  During those wonderful years of travel both here and abroad, I had the joy 
> and pleasure (and still do) of meeting collectors and seeing their amazing 
> collections. What I have seen and I am sure that many of you can relate to 
> this, is that most of us who collect rocks from Space, also collect other 
> things. I have seen a collection of antique surfboards, a huge collection of 
> ancient suits of armor, cannons, guns, diamonds, polished stone spheres, 
> stamps, coins (I think coins are how Michael Casper made his fortune! Good 
> for him!). I've seen amazing collections of fossils, minerals and gem stones 
> in private homes and on and on.
>  Long story made shorter, I stopped collecting these beloved meteorites when 
> I formally started selling them back in 87'. I have learned that this might 
> have been a huge mistake but it's the choice I felt I needed to make in order 
> to pay the bills and to remain competitive in an ever shrinking world market. 
> But, the collecting bug never went away, it just changed shape and theme. 
> 
>  Here is the pitch; about 1990 I started collecting antique handmade glass 
> marbles. These gorgeous, colorful treasures were made by glass workers in the 
> Lauscha region of East Germany from approximately 1880 until 1920. They are 
> rare and hard to find. I have amassed a large collection and yet am always 
> searching for more. I would be delighted to trade meteorites, tektites or 
> books, even art, rare wine or cashy money for any number of these marbles.
>  If you are a marble collector then I would enjoy talking with you about your 
> collection and collecting direction. Recently Patrick got infected by this 
> same obsession and he is an avid collector of the more recent machine made 
> marbles from as early as the 1920's and 30's and later. If you just want to 
> talk marbles please drop me a line. If you know someone with marbles to sell 
> or if you have some yourself, please give me a chance to make an offer.
> 
> 
>  On a less selfish thread, I think it would be a lot of fun to read about the 
> things that others collect. I recall the first time I met Mike Bandli in 
> Tucson years ago he was dealing in Space surplus and he had a huge collection 
> of super cool artifacts. I learned at this last Tucson show that John Kashuba 
> and I have nearly matching collections of rare, old wines. Hey, there is a 
> meteorite collector in New York who collects live scorpions! And who hasn't 
> seen Bruce Wegman's  digital watch collection?
> 
>  Come on folks, share the fun!
> 
>  Best regards,  E.T.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Dennis, My experience is the same as yours . In fact because I still regularly 
search the Santa Rotas for the "Tucson Irons" I wondered what would happen if I 
ever found it. So,  I went to Game and Fish in the Federal building in Tucson 
and was told exactly what you posted. And a paid permit would be required for 
larger landscape material at  a sub-station near the hunt site but, as you 
said. You are welcome to hunt but, Nothing found can be sold. They do make that 
very clear. I did find a prospect far south of there and I think it was on 
private property or state land? 

Best Regards,
Carl
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 Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> I guess no one read my note.  Bob and Adam still say "No Hunting!"  That's 
> where
> I need help.  New Mexico's National Forest supervisor said that one can hunt, 
> as
> long as it isn't for sale.  Just leave the 50 year old or older crap alone.  
> If there is a
> clearer description of do's and don'ts in a document, please post it for all 
> to see.
> Dennis
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Dennis Miller >
> Date: June 3, 2016 at 9:50:58 PM MDT
> To: 
> "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
>  
> >
> Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dennis miller >
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
> To: 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is 
> or isn't
> 
> permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that 
> don't do this for
> 
> a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that 
> I received from
> 
> the State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could and couldn't 
> do.  I carried a
> 
> copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
> 8365, "Rules
> 
> of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and 
> can't do.
> 
> They generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing 
> something,  I would
> 
> like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter was from USGA state 
> supervisor.
> 
> Thanks!  Dennis
> 
> P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a
> 
> outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our
> 
> lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
> secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
> >
> Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
> To: Dennis miller >
> Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National 
> Forest. There are some roads that are closed but I don’t recall any near 
> Glorieta.
> From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
> throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
> sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to 
> not remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
>  before 
> embarking on a detecting mission.
> No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
> • Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
> or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
> • Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold 
> or bartered).
> For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
> discuss permitting or authorization:
> • Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
> earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, ‘high banking’ or 
> dry washing equipment.
> • Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
> specimens for re-sale.
> • Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
> The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
> • Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
> backbone), and shark teeth.
> • Archeological resources 
>  including 
> any material remains 

Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Auction Site

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List,
Seems like a great website. Thanks. 
Carl
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 drtanuki via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Anne, Ruben and List,
  Ironic that Anne Black mentions Jason Utas being ripped off.  That SOB still 
owes me nearly $20,000 USD from over 3 years ago.  Anyone dealing with Jason 
UTAS be aware that he is a thief!  I have a written contract signed by him as 
proof.  Karma, Jason UTAS! Jason UTASs days in the meteorite world and 
professional meteoritics are in doubt.
 
Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News 
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/




From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
To: rubengarcia85...@gmail.com; howardi...@hotmail.com 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: New Meteorite Auction Site


I have to agree fully with Ruben.
I no longer buy or sell on Ebay, too many scams (just ask Jason Utas!), too 
many fakes. If I see something there I would like, being presented by a seller 
I do know, I will contact the seller directly.

So, I am sorry, but no I won't use an auction service whether it is 
meteorite-oriented or not.

Good luck.

(BTW: the convertion option on your site does not work. I asked it to convert 
GBP1480 into US$, the answer was: GBP1480 = US$1480. I don't think so.)  

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
To: David Butland 
Cc: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: New Meteorite Auction Site

Hi,

Speaking just for myself I can say the following.

This is a great idea and I applaud you for your hard work.  However, 99.9 % of 
the people on this forum know each other and know meteorites - we don't buy or 
sell fake meteorites. In other words you're preaching to the choir.

You need to tell this to the millions out there buying off ebay (who are the 
unknown buyers) and that will be hard to do.

What I mean is this, ebay does have it's share of issues but as someone who has 
been selling on ebay since 1998 I can tell you it's worth it - It is at least 
for me. I preface every ad I place on ebay with a short bio about myself (a 
little annoying? maybe, but it works) and I sell a lot of meteorites. 

I would love to support your endeavor as I said it seems like a good idea, but 
ebay reaches so many more people than your site. Even if all 1000 members of 
this forum signed up for your selling site it would be mush easier to reach 
them by just placing an ad to this forum just like you did.

Anyway, good luck I hope you can somehow reach the masses as that's what it 
would take for me to join. 

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:10 PM, David Butland via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

https://www.howardites.com/auctions/

Good day to you all (meteorite enthusiasts, collectors, sellers & buyers).

We (Howardites) have developed a meteorite orientated auction site specifically 
for buying and selling meteorite orientated items ONLY. We totally understand 
the frustrations that arise when using other sites similar to Howardites 
Auctions.

What we offer:
No more fakes! that's right no more meteor wrongs, we do not want to go down 
the same path as our competitors and we want to pride ourselves in providing a 
first class service and a safe haven for buyers and sellers.

Site Security:
Our site is secure and we use SSL 

Buying / buyers?
We allow members of the public to register for free and  buy with no fees 
incurred.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: pallasite peridots rough

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Matija, This was featured on a "Meteorite Men" Television episode a few years 
ago. Steve Arnold (one of the meteorite men on the show) actually melted the 
metal away with acid. As I recall he soaked the meteorite in a huge vat of 
acid. Not sure how that went but it seemed to go well enough that he was having 
the material cut and polished as Gems from space. I think it was also done by 
Dana and Keith of KD meteorites. 
Carl
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 matija bericic via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Dear list,
> Does anybody has pallasite peridots for sale? What I am looking for:
> as gemmy as possible, rough (uncut), extracted from pallasite
> (meteorite, ET origin) of course, all kinds of sizes and shapes. Pics
> and prices please.
> Is there anybody out there who has a knowledge how to extract peridots
> from pallasite meteorite?
> Thank you,
> Matija
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Re: [meteorite-list] Spherulites From Chicxulub Impact Found in Columbia

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Paul, So, are these the Colombian tektites that are found there or are these 
different? Any pictures? Thanks 
Carl
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 Paul via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Remains of Meteorite That Killed Dinosaurs Found in Colombia,
> 
> Latin America Times Herald, March 16, 2016
> 
> http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2407852=13936
> 
> Fragments of Dinosaur-Killer Meteorite Landed in Colombia,
> 
> The Costa Rica Star, March 15, 2016
> 
> http://news.co.cr/fragments-of-dinosaur-killer-meteorite-landed-in-colombia/45582/
> 
> First South American trace of meteorite that killed dinosaurs found in
> 
> Colombia, News Latino, March 16, 2016
> 
> http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2016/03/16/first-south-american-vestige-meteorite-that-killed-dinosaurs-found-in-colombia/
> 
> Hallan en Colombia restos del meteorito que hizo extinguir a los
> dinosaurios. El equipo científico estuvo liderado por el geólogo
> Hermann Bermúdez que hizo la investigación en la isla de Gorgonilla,
> en el Pacífico, Pulzo, March 15, 2016
> 
> http://www.pulzo.com/vivir-bien/10-dilemas-que-tienen-todas-las-mujeres-en-cualquier-momento/PP5556?from=home-nacion
> 
> Remains of mystery meteorite found in Colombia by Latin Correspondent
> 
> http://latincorrespondent.com/2016/03/remains-of-mystery-meteorite-found-in-colombia/
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul H.
> 

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Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Link;
https://www.facebook.com/LouDobbsTonight/videos/10153422530467951/?fref=nf
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 Michael Blood via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Please keep political pronouncements off this list - especially pretending
> It has to do with meteorites, their recovery or some other form of
> propaganda.
> Sincerely,
> Michael Blood
> 
> 
> On 2/12/16 9:58 PM, "Meteorite List" 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   Our freedoms have been horribly eroded in the last few years, especially 
> > in
> > the last 7 years.  People just let it happen and don't complain unless it
> > directly, and seriously affects them.  It is now affecting the meteorite
> > hunter's ability to hunt for meteorites, and that affects us all, including
> > the modest collector.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Meteorite-list  on behalf
> > of Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list 
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:25 PM
> > To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Raremeteorites
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres 
> > Of
> > Land Off-limits
> > 
> > This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  
> > 82
> > year old
> > Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on
> > everything!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> >> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> >> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
> >> 
> >> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> >> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> >> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> >> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> >> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> >> degrees.
> >> 
> >> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> >> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> >> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> >> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> >> not, but they all suck.
> >> 
> >> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> >> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> >> treatment every four years.
> >> 
> >> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> >> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> >> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> >> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> >> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> >> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> >> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> >> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> >> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> >> the resources they govern.
> >> 
> >> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> >> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> >> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> >> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> >> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> >> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> >> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> >> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> >> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> >> hands dirty.
> >> 
> >> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
> >> 
> >> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> >> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
> >> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
> >> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
> >> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
> >> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
> >> that's how it is.
> >> 
> >> [/rant]
> >> 
> >> Best regards and happy huntings,
> >> 
> >> MikeG
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
> >>> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  

Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Here is a link to some numbers but, The Tucson Show is so big and spread out 
all over town that  they could not begin to possibly know the true stats. 
http://www.biztucson.com/features/worlds-biggest-gem-show-120-million-economic-impact/
Carl
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 Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Absolutely ludicrous post. Tucson has hundreds of thousands of visitors. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> > On Jan 24, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Frankly Al,
> > 
> > I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to 
> > be just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints 
> > about parking.
> > I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to count 
> > people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, people 
> > wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to buy, no 
> > one counting people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to that 
> > number? 
> > 
> > Curious minds
> > 
> > Anne M. Black
> > www.IMPACTIKA.com
> > impact...@aol.com
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: almitt2--- via Meteorite-list 
> > To: meteorite-list 
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
> > Mineral Show
> > 
> > Greetings all,
> > 
> > Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
> > If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
> > much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
> > trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
> > walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
> > for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.
> > 
> > --AL Mitterling
> > Mitterling Meteorites
> > 
> >Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> > :
> > 
> >>  Dear List Members,
> >> 
> >>  I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
> >>  longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
> >>  with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
> >>  compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.
> >> 
> >>  http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
> >> 
> >>  Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
> >>  that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
> >>  existed for a mere 3 years.
> >> 
> >>  Adam
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, 
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I have been rock collecting for many years. I 
grew up in Arizona.  I have thousands of rocks (literally). And yes, they are 
just rocks until they are identified or classified otherwise. In the past few 
years Blaine Reed has made verification / identification a little easier than 
it has ever been before. Nowadays you can have them zapped with Blain's XRF 
hand held X-ray gun. With this service comes advise from Blaine as well. Blaine 
has gathered quite a database of knowledge. Not nearly as much guess work as 
before. Although there is a small fee for his services, it is well worth the 
expense. Before the XRF era you had to show it around to different people and 
get there opinion of whether it was a meteorite or not. Everyone had an opinion 
based largely on their own experience and sometimes it was not pretty. . More 
recently Aziz and Sean also bought XRF's to test with so, the industry is 
moving in the right direction. Additionally the Scientists are m
 ore and more publishing their results on chemistry found within the meteorites 
so, a rather interesting evolution has occurred. It is no longer just a guess. 
I now have literally dozens of analyzed rocks to study and compare chemistry 
with. This is a very exciting time in meteorites. I so look forward to the 
Tucson show but, to address the topic of this thread; Like LA 001 and LA 002 
Martian meteorites, many of the old finds will never have exact coordinates as 
back in the day this was not even possible. Nobody had a machine (GPS) that 
would tell you this info. Heck, you were lucky to even snap a photo of your 
find. Similarly the older official classifications also lack coordinates for 
the same reasons. I recently visited the Game and Fish to obtain a rock 
collecting permit. They told me all I needed to do is visit the local field 
office nearest the national forest and they would sell me a permit. They went 
on to say , with certain restrictions that I could pick up both specimens fo
 r collectors or landscape material for my yard. They followed up on 9/30/ 2015 
with a call from a lady there named Bev Everson and she told me it was no big 
deal as long as it is surface rocks and that I do not do much damage but I do 
need a permit. I never mentioned the word meterite because as I said before . 
They are just rocks until classified. Best to all. See you at the show. 
Carl
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 Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Don't shoot the messenger.  I am opposed to this overregulation myself.  I 
> am not a lawyer so you will have to obtain specific information directly 
> from the source.  In this case, the U.S. Department of the Interior.  I am 
> just trying to prevent field collectors from running into trouble instead of 
> sticking my head in sand and ignoring that these rules/regulations/laws 
> exist.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Mulgrew" 
> To: "Raremeteorites" 
> Cc: "Meteorite List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
> 
> 
> > Then cite me title and section of the CFR that deals with meteorites.
> >
> > Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> >  wrote:
> >> Federal rules and regulations are laws.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Michael Mulgrew" 
> >> 
> >> To: "Raremeteorites" 
> >> Cc: "Meteorite List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Not a law.  Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> -Michael in so. Cal.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  Exact wording from BLM website:
> 
> 
> 
>  Those interested should contact the appropriate BLM office to learn
>  details
>  for their area of interest.
> 
> 
> 
>  Can meteorites casually collected from public lands be bartered or 
>  sold?
> 
> 
> 
>  Casual collection of meteorites from public lands is only for an
>  individual's personal use. Sale or barter is considered commercial use. 
>  A
>  permit must be issued for commercial activities and fees will be
>  collected,
>  including a purchase price based on a unit price or the percentage of
>  fair
>  market value, and a reclamation fee, if required.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  - Original Message - From: "Michael Mulgrew"
>  
>  To: "Raremeteorites" 
>  Cc: 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Eyre meteorite 'Crown property', researchers required to hand findings over

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Dr. Agee, And nobody better than you could make this point. You have proven 
that you think outside the box because I doubt "Black beauty" would have ever 
been classified if not for you. I have been told by umpteen scientists that 
visible round forms inside rocks are not meteorites unless they are chondrules. 
You have certainly earned your wings amongst the other stars in the field. 
Congrats to you. 
Carl


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 Carl Agee via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> Not to bore everyone, but I'll repost thisexcerpt from Lincoln LaPaz's
> (founder of IOM)
> "Space Nomads: Meteorites in Sky, Field, and Laboratory". It is as
> true today as it was when the IOM was founded in 1944! Also relevant
> to this discussion I believe...
> 
> 
> "Meteorite hunting, unlike pure mathematics, cannot be conducted with
> success solely by publicity-shy individuals comfortably seated in
> armchairs. Unlike the chemist, who buys his research materials from
> catalogs; the bacteriologist, who brews up his cultures at will in a
> laboratory; and the botanist, who finds the objects of his
> experimentation in conveniently located greenhouse and herbarium, the
> meteoriticist is in large measure dependent on the general public for
> the specimens with which he works. In meteoritics, as in perhaps no
> other science, rapid progress depends on the intelligent cooperation
> of the layman, that fortunate individual destined, because of his
> ubiquitousness, not only to witness all meteorites yet to fall, but
> also, sooner or later, to stumble upon many of those that have already
> fallen..."
> 
> 
> *
> Carl B. Agee
> President, Consortium for Materials Properties Research in Earth
> Sciences (COMPRES)
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
> 
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> > Hi Ian and List,
> >
> > Yes, we can all play keyboard king and tell the governments and the
> > world how we think things should be done. There will never be an ideal
> > world and compromises must be made to keep everyone relatively happy
> > (or at least content or apathetic). I agree that nobody's system is
> > perfect, regardless of national boundaries.
> >
> > Comparing meteorites to collecting baseball cards is disingenuous.
> > Rock and mineral collecting is one of the oldest expressions of
> > geology. Amateur participation in that field has a long established
> > history that has benefited museums and science over the years. For
> > some people, meteorites are another rock to collect. For some they are
> > research material. For some they are national treasures. Ultimately,
> > who "owns" a meteorite? Do we really want some bureaucrat deciding
> > that? Isn't this a case where common sense (ha!) should apply?  Or,
> > call the lawyers and give them a pile of money to figure it out.
> >
> > I do not see the kind of rampant fraud and chicanery that Ian is
> > talking about. Sure, any marketplace has crooks (some vendors, some
> > buyers) and one has to only look at other collectible markets like
> > autographs or Tiffany glass to see that fraud is "rampant" there was
> > well. It all comes down to trust. If you don't trust the vendor's
> > honesty and expertise, then avoid their sales pitches.
> >
> > "> I constantly see deception, fraud, ridiculous pricing, items stolen out 
> > of
> >> countries, governments and scientists disrespected, incorrectly described
> >> items, dubious provenance, destroyed samples, tiny fragments, endless
> >> provenance hand balling etc etc"
> >
> > Where are you looking exactly?  eBay?  Craigslist?  Boot sales?  You
> > can also buy a million types of snake oil at those same venues. It
> > doesn't mean it's a problem that is endemic in any given field that
> > sells or buys at that venue. Most known members of this mailing list
> > are trustworthy. We all know who is and who isn't.  And the people who
> > are crooks get run out of town pretty quick. There are a few of us who
> > might be eccentrics, anti-socials, egotists, blowhards, or some other
> > species of the common jerk, but you know who to trust when it comes to
> > authenticity. The field sorts itself out and the informed buyer
> > chooses from well-established and reputable sources.
> >
> > Nobody likes thieves or scammers and the only issue I have with the
> > list of negative attributes on your list is "tiny fragments".  As
> > someone who has owned, traded, and sold his share of tiny fragments,
> > that is not a negative thing that should be lumped in with thievery.
> >
> > As I am sure you are aware, most scientific analysis doesn't require
> > 

Re: [meteorite-list] 6th Annual Eating Your Way Around Tucson - 2016

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

John, Good list but La Fuente is gone and Guadalajara grill has another new 
location on Broadway just east of swan road. Also the new down town is all the 
rage. There are several great restaurants on Congress st. now including "The 
Hub" and the best pizza on the west coast "Bianco's Pizza". Thanks Carl
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 John Teague via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> 


Hey, List Members!

I have it on good authority that Tucson is fast approaching!  With that in 
mind, I am once again giving my “Annual Eating Your Way Around Tucson” list, a 
slight name change from last year.  This list has been put together with over 
twenty years of attending the shows.  These are my opinions (well, my wife, 
Cookie, too!) only.  I have no vested interest in any of these establishments, 
no free food, etc!  I just like good food!  Maybe you will find my/our tastes 
different from yours but all of these are worth a try!

Again this year, I am leaving for Tucson mid-January! This will be my fifth 
year to make the 2200 mile (each way!) drive to Tucson.  My wife,Cookie, did 
retire July 2nd and will make the dive with me (for the FIRST time!) rather 
than flying!

I am adding some new locations suggested by list members last year after prior 
posts.  We did get to try some of them and enjoyed them VERY much.  I hope to 
add more this year!

NEW FAVORITES for us!
Fist, a BIG “Thank you!” to Terry Sayther from Austin Texas!  Terry sent us a 
couple of suggestions for breakfast … or ANYtime!  We are calling them “MUSTS”!

MUST #1:  Bobo's Restaurant, 2938 E. Grant Road, 520-326-6163 
http://www.bobostucson.com/  We at there ‘more than once’ in 2014!  Everything 
is GREAT!  I have to be gluten free but try the pancakes!  They are the size of 
a plate!  The omelets are WONDERFUL!  Check out the deserts!  Once again, 
Bobo’s ROCKS!

MUST #2:  Robert’s Restaurant (closed Sunday), 3301 East Grant Road, (520) 
795-1436 http://www.robertstucson.com/  We also visited Robert’s a couple of 
times!  Robert’s is just down the street from Bobo’s but on the opposite side 
of Grant!  You cannot go wrong with either choice!

MUST #3:  Teresa’a Mosaic Café, 2456 N. Silver Mosaic Dr. (at Grant Rd, behind 
McDonalds), Tucson, AZ - 520-624-4512.  GREAT Mexican food!  WONDERFUL 
margaritas!  http://www.teresamosaiccafe.com/

If you are looking for GREAT ‘diner’ eats, give Little Anthony's Diner (, 7010 
E Broadway Blvd, 520-296-0456) a try.  If you like milkshakes the ‘old 
fashioned way’ (with the ‘extra’ shake that won’t fit into you LARGE shake 
glass delivered to you table in the metal mixing cup, complete with frost on 
the outside!) then Little Anthony’s Diner is for you! 
http://littleanthonysdiner.com/  Little Anthony’s also sponsor car shows in 
their huge parking lot.  Like old and new cars and trucks, be there Saturday 
1/23 and/or 2/6 10am-2pm to see some cool vehicles!  I know this is not 
food/eating related but check out The Gaslight Theatre (next to, and associated 
with Little Anthony’s!) http://thegaslighttheatre.com/!  During Tucson show 
time, the Gaslight offers an old west themed, hilarious melodrama!  We have 
attended each year for several years and have enjoyed each performance!  This 
year’s production is “The Cisco Kid”.  You can order your tickets online for 
best seat selection and then pick them up in Tucson.  


Now, a ‘Classic’!

* Pat's Drive In, 1202 West Niagara Street, 520-624-0891
I should not list this first, but I AM!  I first read about Pat's in Arizona 
Highways magazine.  It is a tradition in Arizona!  It is on a side street off 
N. Grande Ave, between Speedway and St. Marys.  It is near the condo that we 
rent each year.  I had driven within half a block of it for years and did not 
know it existed!  If you like the old drive in restaurants, this IS the place 
for you!  If you like greasy fries by the pound, this is for you!  If you like 
GREAT chili hotdogs, this IS the place for you, please note that they have 
three degrees of heat for their chili!


We have "favorites" that we think everyone should try at least once.  In no 
particular order:

NEW!  NEW!  NEW! This is our NEW “favorite” from 2013:
* Guadalajara Grill was suggested by good friend, Dennis Beal, XTAL, (Room 120, 
Hotel City Center, Marty Zinn’s Arizona Mineral & Fossil Show).  We have 
learned that if Dennis suggests a restaurant, you BEST try it!  He has never 
sent us to a bad one, not even a mediocre one!
Guadalajara Grill – West, 1220 E Prince Road-520-323-1022 (also 2nd location: 
East, 750 N Kolb Road, 520-296-1122.  We went to the one on Prince the very 
last night we were in Tucson 2013.  Large parking lot that was FULL!  It took 
us 15 minutes or more to find a parking place … then about 30-45 minutes to get 
a table … BUT it was more than worth the wait!  HUGE portions of GREAT food at 
reasonable prices! You WILL enjoy it!

* La Fuente Restaurant, 1749 N. Oracle Rd., 520-623-8659
REALLY 

Re: [meteorite-list] Mining Asteroids

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, Here is a link;
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2016-01/05/space-mining-a-reality-in-2016

Carl Esparza
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 Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Hi Sean,

  Think of it like this. If you put the Earth in a giant blender, mix it all 
up, then take a shovel full, the ratio of precious metals would be higher than 
if you didn't blend it. In essence it would be like sampling a chondritic 
asteroid. Go to an asteroid or bring one back, every scoop is high in rare 
earth elements because it is not differentiated and is equal to the solar 
ratio. 
That's the way I understand it. If I'm off someone correct me please.


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
 
IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm
 


-Original Message-
From: Sean Brooks via Meteorite-list 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2016 9:27 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mining Asteroids

Hello Listers,
 Over the years there's been a lot of talk about
mining asteroids for gold, diamonds, platinum and other valuable
metals. There are groups forming companies, looking for investors and
finding them. What I'm wondering is if all that treasure is out
there wouldn't we already have found it in the tens of thousands of
meteorite samples we know about within the meteorite community? I
realize we've found nano diamonds and nickel along with the iron group
material but is there any thing indicating that there's any reason to
justify the expense of an space mining operation? If I'm wrong about
what we've already found in meteorite samples please correct me. Any
thoughts?

Sean Brooks
#7781
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Re: [meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Hello List, 
For me it was back in 1989. I owned an art gallery in Tucson at the time so, I 
would go into Bob Haag's room at the Desert Inn during the Tucson Gem Show to 
buy meteorites. That was a sight to behold. Bob had the entire room blacked out 
like in outer space with directional lighting focused on the meteorites. Bob 
was a master at marketing. I became close friends with Gina Haag, Bob's first 
ex-wife and ended up selling her entire collection after they divorced. I also 
sold Bob's sister Terry's jewelry in my shop at the time. My kids grew up 
meteorite hunting the Santa Rita's looking for the famous "Tucson Irons". We 
still hunt there to this day. Bob offered a $Million reward for the exact 
location of any new find of the Tucson Iron so, we were very motivated to hunt. 
One day I walked into Bob's room and he handed me a small meteorite explaining 
that "you are holding a piece of the Moon". Nothing was more thrilling than 
holding Calcalong Creek (the first Moon rock available to the publi
 c) in your hand. This couldn't even be done at a museum at the time. I have 
very fond memories from back in the day. I attend the Tucson show every year 
and would not miss it for the world. 
Carl Esparza

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 Jason Phillips via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> Hello List,
> For me it was 1997, I remember pining over the NEMS catalog for hours
> and making lists of my dream locations.  My first piece was a 107 gram
> Gibeon slice, which I still treasure today.  Looking back it is
> amazing how that simple $80 purchase has completely changed my life,
> so many more pieces, great adventures and wonderful friends.  What
> things of beauty and wonder we are able to enjoy!
> 
> Take Care,
> Jason Phillips
> 
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 8:11 PM, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > 20 years.
> >
> > I noticed while looking at Matt Morgan's web site, he writes
> > "established in 1996"
> > The Meteorite Exchange site says "Impacting the Meteorite World Since 1996"
> >
> > Did anyone else start collecting in '96. If not then... when? and why?
> > Many dealers and collectors were active before '96 and many more after.
> >
> > In August 1996 I read on the front page of the local NC (Greensboro
> > Daily News) newspaper that NASA had found a possible life form in a
> > Martian meteorite found in Antarctica - Allan Hills 84001. This was
> > announcing there was life elsewhere in the Universe.
> >
> > I figured people would want meteorites. I was already selling gems and
> > minerals at shows and had seen meteorites for sale in Tucson and
> > Denver. I had meteorites before the end of the year. The fist ones
> > were mailed from a dealer in Mexico - Tolucas, then Gibeon from the
> > S.African dealers Karl and Clive. Next was Esquel from Bob Haag. I
> > nearly sold out the first show I offered meteorites.
> >
> > It was ALH 84001 that started it for me. How about the rest of you?
> >
> > See you in Tucson.
> >
> > John
> > MeteoriteUSA.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

List, 
A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave your hands 
or chances are you will never see it again anyway . Just sayin!
Carl
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 Robert Verish via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> No Larry, 
> There actually is a problem. 
> John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I 
> personally learned of this recent trend. 
> This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to 
> write on this subject in three 
> separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites 
> that need to be classified." 
> Still haven't received any offers.  
> 
> My request still stands. 
> I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can 
> point me in the direction of 
> a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites.  
> I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. 
> 
> Bob V.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a 
> find.
>  To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>  Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM
>  
>  Hi John, List,
>  
>  You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite 
> classified, however, 
>  if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of 
> a name.
>  Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, 
>  
>  I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is 
> one big
>  DCA like NWA?
>  
>  
>  
>  Sincerely,
>  Larry Atkins
>   
>  IMCA # 1941
>  Ebay alienrockfarm
>   
>  
>  
>  -Original
>  Message-
>  From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  To: mstreman53 
>  Cc: Meteorite Mailing List 
>  Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am
>  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a 
> find.
>  
>  
>  I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be
>  seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from
>  your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the
>  USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25
>  NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more
>  I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find
>  a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I
>  think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so
>  many uniquethings to be found in meteorites.  
>  In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a
>  "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite.  I
>  do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if
>  it is a USA find.  Cheers,John 
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"
>  To: "Meteorite
>  MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list]
>  Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in
>  contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances
>  fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to
>  inspect in person and get her stone into the system,
>  pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics
>  onrequest.Regards,Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Granitic Conntinental Crust on Mars

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Too funny. You are always a pleasure to hear from.
Carl
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 Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: 
 Dear List, 
  
 Curiosity rover finds evidence of 
 Mars' primitive [granitic] continental 
 crust:
 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150714142051.htm
  
 The first discovery of a potential 
 continental crust on Mars. Now, 
 I'm trying to calculate the speed 
 with which a Martian Granite 
 Meteorite can reach eBay.
  
 Sterling Webb
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited Scientific or Educational Institutions...

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Peter,
Everything you have said may be correct. 
If you have never before  seen, a new type of meteorite like a Granite 
meteorite then none of the subscribed tests will due any good because , as you 
said. This would be a New type. 
We have all faced what you are facing. Experience has taught us that in your 
situation there is but one way to verify your material. Lacking clearly 
recognizable fusion crust , That is to get it tested for  cosmogenic nuclides 
 to see if it has ever been in space. This is the only way I know to verify ANY 
new type of material. Otherwise it gets pigeonholed 100% of the time.  I don't 
know who does this testing for the  general public. I know U of A does it for 
NASA and others. Once this is established then I'm sure Scientists will be 
happy to study your rock but, until then your rock is just a rock. I hope this 
helps. 
Best, 
Carl

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 Peter Richards via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 I agree, John. It was there. Read it all carefully please, everyone,
 and we need not continue it one bit, imo.
 kind regards,
 Peter
 
 On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Lutzon j...@lutzon.com wrote:
 
  This thread needs to end.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Peter Richards via Meteorite-list 
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  To: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com
  Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 2:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Accepting Inquiries From Accredited 
  Scientific or Educational Institutions...
 
 
  I need not be cautioned. There are plenty of liars, or, otherwise,
  misinformed persons in the world, feasibly, and that is about as
  scientific a truth as one can get. All your various claims about metal
  flecks, scratch tests being necessary are plainly fallacious, hence
  your conclusions based on my improper procedure for not following them
  is as well. I am sure you all are confident that, at least, for
  contesting this, even if you are plainly being disingenuous, plainly
  acting the fools, or tricksters, levaraging your age, knowledge, or
  experience, to misinform people. It is fine. I know what was done to
  Steve Curry, and I know, a freemason grocer I know who is a piece of
  _, as it so happens, might like to inform me that what was done to
  Curry will be done to me, as he informs me about his taste for sweet
  potatoes flavoured with Curry (that grocer's name is Michael Garvin
  and he is a person who displays his bigotry on this shoulder).
  kind regards and thank you for the insult Michael Farmer, yes I do
  love the Nigerians but I am not them and when you define scam you
  will see that metal flecks and suggesting a granite meteorite is
  impossible, and the need for scratch tests and specific gravity tests
  clearly equates with such, you bully
  later,
  Peter
 
  On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com wrote:
  Peter,
  I think MikeG. wrote a very kind reply trying to help you out. And
  he's correct, there are no granite meteorites. You would do well to
  follow his advice. My own opinion is that you have some low resolution
  photos of rusty rocks which I'm doubtful are meteorites. You'll need
  to shoot higher resolution images under better (try outdoors) lighting
  for anyone to make a possible confirmation. Your best bet is to grind
  off an edge of one of them with coarse sandpaper or a diamond file to
  see inside. If you find silvery, metallic flecks - NOT mineral
  crystals - scattered about the rock's matrix then let us know.
  In the meantime I would caution you against taking up the martyr of
  truth vs. scientific establishment approach.
  Regards,
  Bob
 
  On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Peter Richards via Meteorite-list
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  Mike, I think your approach is great for novices. I know that not only
  you but many professional meteoricists have your hardline, barely
  logical, if so, preconceived, paper form reply, when, of course, it
  is an odd inheritor of the mantle of people who once said meteorites
  did not even exist, which I believe Geoff Notkin has reported included
  the heads of the Catholic church at one point historically. I get that
  scientists, like you seem to me to, might prefer to discredit the
  possibility than be honest, yet, again, it is what it is. My previous
  statements are what they are. You can call them what you want, at the
  behest of yourself or your friends or whoever motivates you to do what
  you do. Of course, oddly enough, you seemingly disingenuous people are
  leaning into this, and seem prepared to throw your all at me in such a
  muckracking match, in lieu of the professionals. Really, I have some
  emails from them, so it is the same. You all are what you are, the
  rock is what it is (as previously described), and I am what I am, and
  maybe I should have not been provoked by your message, and ignored it,
  but, I have already 

Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

There is a class action lawsuit against ebay you can see at the link here;
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/judge-rules-class-action-suit-against-ebay-and-paypal-may-proceed-081414.html

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 Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: 
 Hi Ron,
 
 That is exactly the line of thinking I had in mind.  I try not to
 share my financial information online anywhere unless it's necessary
 and then it is through PayPal only.  If PayPal gets hacked, fine.
 
 eBay, Facebook, Twitter, or any other websites do not need direct
 access to my bank accounts.
 
 If I sell on eBay, then eBay has a clear and understandable need to
 access your financial information - to pay your seller fees, or to
 reimburse in the case of seller fraud.
 
 But, if I am not selling, then why should I link my account?  What is
 the benefit to me as a buyer?
 
 Now, let's look at the ongoing increase in buyer fraud and
 PayPal-manipulation by unethical buyers.  eBay might have an interest
 in making sure they have greater access to a buyer's information, just
 in case the buyer commits a clear case of fraud.  eBay and the seller
 would have greater potential recourse against a criminal buyer.  So
 perhaps this seller setting requirement is a new option to combat
 buyer fraud?  Maybe this is a new setting in the seller dashboard
 somewhere.  If it is, I cannot see it, because I poked around in the
 seller settings just to look.
 
 I will take a screen shot of it the next time I encounter it.  I think
 one of the sellers was a dealer in Europe, maybe France.  One of the
 dealers was a US-based one.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
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 On 3/1/15, Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
  What I am referring to is bidder requirements.  I tried to place a bid
  on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times
  eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is
  not linked to eBay.
 
 
  For security reasons, it's just a very bad idea to link any of your online
  accounts together.
  Period.  This applies not just to ebay  paypal, but Twitter, Facebook,
  etc.
 
  Ebay has been hacked into before.  The next time ebay is hacked - and there
  will be most
  definitely be a next time - all your accounts linked to it are automatically
  accessible
  to the hackers.  Keep that in mind.
 
  Ron
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

This happened to me with a Bomber jacket. Ebay would not even refund my seller 
fees and told me the same thing and offered other advice. To file an internet 
crime report at http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx. I did so, but ebay said they 
will not kick this guy out until he does it to a few more people. The clown I 
dealt with returned a cheap wind breaker. I lost $600.00. I made ebay aware of 
this problem before they refunded the thief but, ebay told me they have no way 
of dealing with thieves until they do it a few times. 
--Best regards,
Carl

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 Gmail via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: 
 This is a case where I would involve the police if possible. Guaranteed that 
 this buyer has done this before.
 
 Mendy Ouzillou
 
 On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Howdy List,
 
 A day ago, through FB, a fella named David who has stellar honest reputation, 
 posted an episode of crappy result that happened on F'bay: having sold a 
 completely rebuilt top-6-slab-saw shipped and received from the 
 'buyer'...then endured the inability to contest what happened next:  The 
 'buyer' claimed that condition was flawed, and sent the 'item' back, money 
 refunded to David.
 
 David received a completely different chopped up hack-job, after refunding 
 the 'buyer' his purchase price.  EfBay then dissolved any affiliation, and 
 David is effedthe scammer now has a new re-built 6 saw, scammed, STOLEN, 
 and EfBay offered advice,  The cost of doing business
 
 WTF?
 My 2 cents worth.
 Richard montgomery
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list
 Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:50 PM
 To: Meteorite List
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Notice to eBay Meteorite Sellers
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I have noticed a new trend with meteorite dealers on eBay.  Two
 different dealers have done this that I know of, and there may be
 others.
 
 What I am referring to is bidder requirements.  I tried to place a bid
 on two different specimens from two different dealers and both times
 eBay stopped me and said I could not bid because my PayPal account is
 not linked to eBay.
 
 I think eBay is a hell for sellers and I loathe the eBay boardroom.  I
 do not want those greedy bastards having any more access to my
 financial information that is necessary.  So I refuse to link my
 PayPal account to eBay.  I know this is somewhat silly since both
 companies are intimately linked, but I do not want eBay having it's
 hooks any deeper into my pocketbook than necessary.
 
 I am sure there are other eBay members who feel the same.  If you are
 a seller who has set this requirment, you are losing sales.  You just
 lost one right now.  I could have bid your items up, but I was not
 allowed to place a bid.  It's not my loss, I will always find the
 specimen I want eventually, either off eBay entirely, or from another
 seller without those requirements.
 
 My money is just as green as anyone else's and it spends just the
 same.  If you have this requirement set on your eBay auctions, then
 you are losing money.
 
 Just a heads-up.  Do with it what you want.  ;)
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sculptures from outer space

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

It's an on-line only auction so you have to wait until it goes live on their 
site or sign in for it. 
http://www.christies.com.cn/calendar/?locations=104


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 Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 How does one see everything?

Sent from my iPad

 On Nov 7, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Hello Listers
 
 If you have some deep pockets check out some rare meteorites being sold
 next
 week starting on the 11 at Christy's auction house. 
 
 Enjoy
 
 
 Rare, fascinating and beautiful, the meteorites in our upcoming online
 sale are coveted by science and art collectors alike 
 
 Meteorites, the solid pieces of debris that fall to earth from comets or
 asteroids, can be over four billion years old. Yet only recently have
 they become hot property at auction. Scarce supply and increasing demand
 for aesthetic iron meteorites have generated a sharp rise in the market
 for sculptures from outer space. Christie’s is marking their
 popularity with a unique auction Deep Impact: Martian, Lunar and Other
 Rare Meteorites aimed at both the new buyer and the sophisticated
 collector, and spanning a wide spectrum of substance, size and
 continent. ‘These pieces have transcended their appeal from dedicated
 meteorite followers to the wider art market,’ says James Hyslop, Head
 of Science and Natural History at Christie’s.  Here is our pick of
 five of the most beautiful and fascinating of the 30 collectibles being
 sold online at Christie’s between 11 and 25 November. 
 
 http://www.christies.com/features/meteorites-5165-1.aspx
 
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633 
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [off-list] Ebay Again!

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Mike, 
I like your post here. 
But, I thought I could trust The  fake Count and I was totally screwed by him 
( everything on his website was bought and paid for including the history and 
pictures) . I thought I could trust Catterton and as it turned out he too 
screwed me. He accused me of supplying bad material when all along it was not 
the material I supplied that was not as advertised. It was some bogus stone he 
said came from me in order to add credibility to his sales.  He assumed nobody 
would question material if he said it came from me. I mean I attend the Gem 
show every day and visit everyone. Everyone knows me and sees me daily. But, he 
did hurt my reputation for a while. 
I sent you a facebook private post I will copy to you here. 
 You are always very kind to post the new classifications on the list and 
elsewhere. The question I have is why do you seem to miss the ones by Sean 
Tutorow? I ask because he is looking for dealers to sell his material all over 
the country and it seems to me you'd be a perfect fit. He recently had around 
30 approvals. He is the king of classifications. Thanks. Carl
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 Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote: 
 No, you did not question my material specifically, but you painted a
 non-flattering picture in very broad strokes.  I am sure the unspoken
 implication was there, as you have gone on the record in the past as
 not being a fan of me, my crumbs, my coupon codes, and my ads.
 Personally, I have never had an issue with you.  We have never had any
 dealings, good or bad.  We just seem to cross wires on the List from
 time to time.
 
 If I feel a need to test a specimen, then I don't buy it.  If I don't
 trust my source well enough to take their specimen at face value, then
 I don't want it.  I assume many buyers feel the same way, dealer or
 collector.
 
 There are some sellers out there (some on eBay), that I wouldn't buy
 from if they were the last meteorite dealer on Earth.  Not because
 they have passed off bogus crumbs, but because they have passed off
 bogus whole stones or larger fakes.  There are not many dealers who
 test every stone of every batch of material they buy.  Some do.  Many
 do not.  How many dealers buy a few kilos of NWA 869 from Morocco and
 then submit samples of that material for testing before reselling it?
 Ditto for almost any such material on the market.  Chergach?  Prove
 it.  Bassi?  Prove it.  Oum Dreyga?  Prove it.  Zag?  El Hammami?  Ash
 Creek?  Buzzard Coulee?
 
 If I spend $5 on a crumb and it turns out to be driveway dirt, then I
 got burned.  If I paid $100 or $500 or $5000 for a specimen for North
 American fall and it turns out to be a North African find, then I am
 sorry as hell.
 
 Who is selling fake crumbs besides one or two clowns on eBay?  There
 are some bogus planetary displays going around and we are well aware
 of them - their identities have been exposed due to diligence from the
 community.  Are there others who are operating in such numbers and
 volume that they threaten the integrity of the collector's market and
 the viability of research collections?  Does NASA or ASU have some NWA
 in their cabinets masquerading as Tagish Lake?  Did someone slip some
 Jbilet Winselwan into the Murchison jar?
 
 I hear a lot of things.  I hear stuff about shady deals and shady
 operators.  And I haven't heard jack about anyone dealing in bogus
 crumbs.  It sounds like fear-mongering to me.
 
 The IMCA has enough to worry about without taking on the
 responsibility for policing the market's Bessey Specks.   That's it, I
 think we should blame Dean.  It's all his fault.  LOL.  ;)
 
 I collect crumbs.  I have more crumbs than Pepperidge Farm.  If people
 want genuine crumbs that are what the label says they are, they can
 come to me.  There are a few more crumb-mongers who are legit.  I
 won't name names, but they are probably reading this with interest,
 because that picture you painted includes them also - not by name, but
 by implication.
 
 That's all.  This is silly.  I'll shut up.
 
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 On 10/23/14, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote:
  First, I didn't question your material. I question crumbs in general.
  Second, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the buyer to try and find a
  lab that would be willing to examine crumbs. Crumb sellers know this. So, I
  think it's time for someone to take this task seriously and look at these
  endless micros. IMCA maybe?
 
 
  I see your footnote about hate. What is that about?
 
  
  Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:32:02 -0400
  To: 

Re: [meteorite-list] Czech meteorite fragments 20 years

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mark,
These guys are legit. 
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Spurn%C3%BD
Hope all is well with you.
Carl
Meteoritemax

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 Mark Bowling via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 Just to play Devil's advocate, is this desert varnish, or some kind of 
 reaction to a humid, heavily mineralized soil?  Have they been shared with 
 other institutions?  It's implied that they were found buried in the ground.  
 Perhaps they did find them, and it's some sort of alteration caused by local 
 ard/gossan conditions.

Any geos on there who might know of a mechanism that could cause a similar 
looking weathering product?  These are just photos, which, more often than not, 
are very hard to interpret.  I'm partly curious as I've observed some 
interesting rocks while prospecting high sulfide locations.

Assuming they were genuinely found, in such conditions it may be possible they 
are 20 years old.  Or they could be much older, and it's just chance that they 
found some very old, highly-weathered meteorites unrelated to their impact 
location.  In such a case, is there a dating method that could determine their 
true terrestrial age?

Yes Holbrooks are pretty fresh, but they are in a semi-arid location, in sand 
dunes which probably wick away moisture.  Stones found in the dunes are very 
fresh, while some in the flats are a lot more rusty.

Anne brings up a good point that diverse types can be found from one event.  
I'm not saying that she agrees - odds are they are planted.  But I just want to 
keep an open mind and keep asking questions.

Another possibility is that one or two team members planted them and kept other 
members in the dark. They may have documented removal of the last couple found, 
thus adding more evidence that they are legit.  But while they selected 
similar looking stones, they actually were different types (?). 

Anybody know some of these team members and if they are qualified to do this 
sort of work/have good reputations?  Is this peer reviewed?

Odds are they are kooks or cheats.  But maybe they are on the up and up, but 
simply have foolishly linked these finds to a relatively recent fall(???).

It will be interesting to see what develops!

Mark Bowling






From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: Paul Gessler cetu...@shaw.ca 
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MEM 
mstrema...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Czech meteorite fragments 20 years


Not to mention they are highly desert varnished, something never seen in a wet 
place, and different types.
Whoever pulled this scam is pretty foolish.
Michael Farmer

Michael Farmer

 On Oct 15, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Looks like something that was found sitting in a Moroccan sale bin for the 
 last 20 years.
 They look a lot older than 20 years to me.
 
 Paul G
 
 
 -Original Message- From: MEM via Meteorite-list
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:53 PM
 To: Meteorite Mailing List
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: [Geology2] Meteorite fragments discovered 
 20years after bolide event in Czech Republic
 
 
 www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141014142736.htm
 
 Meteorite fragments discovered 20 years after bolide event in Czech Republic
 Date: October 14, 2014
 Source: Astronomy  Astrophysics
 Summary: Scientists have discovered meteorite fragments 20 years after the 
 corresponding bolide
 was seen in the skies of the Czech Republic. This discovery was made possible 
 by reanalyzing the trajectory, which moved the impact line by 330 meters. 
 Interestingly, the meteorites found on the ground are of
 different types, pointing to a parent asteroid of heterogeneous composition.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 First three Benešov meteorites found in April 2011, with metal detectors. 
 From left to
 right: H5 chondrite of 1.56 g, LL3.5 chondrite of 7.72 g with achondrite 
 clast, and LL3.5 chondrite of 1.99 g [2].
 Credit: Image courtesy of Astronomy  Astrophysics
 
 
 Astronomy  Astrophysics is publishing the spectacular discovery of meteorite 
 fragments 20 years after the corresponding bolide was seen in the skies of 
 the Czech
 Republic. This discovery was made possible by reanalyzing the
 trajectory, which moved the impact line by 330 meters. Interestingly,
 the meteorites found on the ground are of different types, pointing to a 
 parent asteroid of heterogeneous composition.
 Collisions of meter-sized meteoroids with Earth's atmosphere are
 relatively rare, occurring about 40 times a year. They cause very
 spectacular events, known as superbolides. One of the best known such
 events, the Benešov bolide, occurred on 7 May 1991 at 23h 03m 46s UT
 over the Czech Republic. It was recorded during systematic photographic
 observations by the European Fireball Network 

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 138, Issue 17

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Thanks for this. Very cool.
Carl
Meteoritemax
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 Eric Christensen via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 Hi all,
 
 Pavel Spurny and his team are considered to be among the world's experts in 
 instrumentally observed bolides.  Before dismissing this story as a scam 
 based on a single image, you may wish to read the paper in its entirety:
 
 http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2014/10/aa24308-14.pdf
 
 paying special attention to the local conditions where the meteorites were 
 found.  20 years of being repeatedly tilled under farmland soil in a wet 
 European climate is hard on meteorites.  These were also thought to be 
 meteorites that came from a violent, low-altitude disruption, so even if they 
 initially had fusion crust or typical meteorite shapes, 20 years in the 
 ground would have likely significantly altered their appearance.
 
 Regards,
 
 Eric Christensen
 
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 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:31 PM, 
 meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com 
 meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Message: 1
 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:55:34 -0700
 From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
 To: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com
 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: [Geology2] Meteorite fragments
 discovered20 years after bolide event in Czech Republic
 Message-ID: 0682f844-abe9-497e-8703-1e0dbd612...@meteoriteguy.com
 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
 
 Sorry but fake as crap, clearly ancient NWA meteorite. Pultusk stones are 
 still being 150 years after the fall and they don't even look hardly weathers 
 at all, same wet climate.
 Sorry but I call a scam, 
 Michael Farmer
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:53 PM, MEM via Meteorite-list 
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  
  
  www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141014142736.htm
  
  Meteorite fragments discovered 20 years after bolide event in Czech Republic
  Date: October 14, 2014
  Source: Astronomy  Astrophysics
  Summary: Scientists have discovered meteorite fragments 20 years after the 
  corresponding bolide 
  was seen in the skies of the Czech Republic. This discovery was made 
  possible by reanalyzing the trajectory, which moved the impact line by 330 
  meters. Interestingly, the meteorites found on the ground are of 
  different types, pointing to a parent asteroid of heterogeneous composition.
  
  
  
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Daniel, Very well put. As an Art dealer since 1989 I could not agree more. A 
reproduction is not art. It is in the trade what we consider decorative. 
Only. 
Best Regards,
Carl
Carl Esparza
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 Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 Hi Graham, Peter and All,
  
 I would agree that art can be a means to challenge existing concepts and
 perceptions. I think the rub in this instance is the recasting of the
 meteorite, nature's art, into its own image; a human generated meteorite
 clone so to speak. To re-create it into something more removed from
 itself would stretch the creative boundary. 
 If one were to melt down an original Remington bronze sculpture and
 recast it as itself, does that really challenge artistic expression, and
 how is that different that the cheap after versions that one can buy
 that are imitations of the Remington original? Given the choice between
 an original work of art and its imitation, I'll take the original every
 time. I'm not saying there isn't some value in what Katie did, but I
 think the genuine meteorite would be more worthy of a trip to the space
 station...
  
 Best regards,
 Daniel   
 
 Daniel Noyes
 Genuine Moon  Mars Meteorite Rocks
 i...@moonmarsrocks.com
 www.moonmarsrocks.com
 
  
  
  Original Message 
 
 
 
 
 Message: 6
 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:40:22 +0100
 From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
 To: Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk
 Cc: Meteorite List \(meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com\)
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Sculpture by Katie Paterson
 Message-ID:
 cajkn+kyzojk+oqsty--esrnqyevjdklls0tzyww+nj+c9fr...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 Hi Peter/allAs an artist myself working on more unusual projects with
 the Arts Council trying to find new ways of expressing ideas...trying
 to stretch the boundaries and asking what is art?...etc I find this
 an interesting topic...I'm all for art doing what you say...but have
 a slight conflict here, being a meteorite collector and using much of
 what I know and see in meteoritics as inspiration for some of my own
 projectsthere are so many at the moment just making/doing art to
 shock...and I don't really think that that is enough personallyand
 to be honest I'm not sure what she is doing is really very
 original...many artists have destroyed and rebuilt objects as them
 selves in the past in various waysto me she is not making people
 think about the wonder of the object, where it comes from etc...it's
 more about herselfand her practice.
 
 Now if she had prepared the meteorite in such a way to show off it's
 wonder, or even just exhibited it in a a gallery as is...rather than
 in a museum...then that would have asked far more questions about what
 art is, or what the object means...the recasting is not so much about
 the object...it is far more about the process and her own
 practiceI feel she has said far less by recasting itbut I
 suppose that's what art is aboutit's more about the questions that
 a piece is asking than the answer.
 
 Not sure what destroying something and remaking it in it's own image
 and then sending it back to whence it came (partly) is really
 saying.only those who are wise about meteorites actually
 understand what aspects of the object she has destroyedmost of the
 general public/other artists etc will see the object as unchanged!
 
 Graham
 
 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Peter Davidson via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
  Dear Lads and Lassies
 
  Thank you to those who replied to the e-mail I sent about the meteorite 
  sculpture by Katie Paterson which has been sent into space. To be honest I 
  didn't expect a positive response and that is exactly what I got. I 
  attended a talk by Katie last Saturday (2nd August) and I actually got to 
  handle several of the meteorites she has recast. An odd and slightly 
  disconcerting experience I thought. We got to chatting about possible 
  future collaborations but it remains to be seen what that might actually 
  turn out to mean.
 
  I have always believed that it one of the purposes of art (among many other 
  things) to challenge, shock and discomfort people and ideas by presenting 
  the familiar in a new and unfamiliar way - to make people rethink their 
  ideas and to challenge them to take stock of their old values. This 
  particular project does seem to have raised a few eyebrows and rattled a 
  few cages. I am mulling over the idea of asking Katie if I could present 
  these items at Ensisheim one year.
 
  Cheers
 
  Peter Davidson
  Senior Curator of Minerals
 
  National Museums Collection Centre
  242 West Granton Road
  Edinburgh
  EH5 1JA
  00 44 131 247 4283
  p.david...@nms.ac.uk
 
 
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  Scotland.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Mendy, Indian Butte is clearly a fall. I live in Tucson and this event made 
the local news big time. It was such a big event that the University of 
Arizona's leading (at the time) meteoriticist David kring took it upon himself 
to actually organize a posse to go out and get this meteorite. He actually went 
himself as he did many other times.  I was one of the ones that headed out 
looking. I looked for 2 days myself. But, we all knew that some day it would be 
found. And you are correct. Recorded technology is what did the trick and made 
it possible to properly identify this as a 'fall. And again, to me this is a 
classic example of what a true Fall should be and is . 
Best,
Carl
Meteoritemax

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 Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
wrote: 
 So far the response has been basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
However, doing so ignores changes in technology that enables us to identify 
meteors at specific locations in space and time and possible fall locations. 
Take Indian Butte for example. The MetBull identifies this meteorite as a Fall 
(witnessed) from 1998. However, the first specimen was not found until 2013. 
According to the feedback so far, this meteorite should then have been 
classified as a find. Indian Butte is only one example of the situation 
actually being broke - so in my mind, new information and new situations 
deserve a fresh perspective. By the way, I agree with the classification of it 
as a fall. Given only two present choices - fall is the most appropriate.
I am in no way suggesting adding the many types of descriptors as proposed by 
Jeff, but I am proposing adding one more called the correlated fall. As 
technology improves, I believe we will be seeing more situations like Indian 
Butte where an event is captured, but material is not found for years after the 
event.
Change is not always bad.  :-)
Mendy

-Original Message-
From: Michael Mulgrew [mailto:mikest...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Carl Esparza
Cc: Meteorite List; Mendy Ouzillou
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

Fall, find, anything further is unnecessary clutter.  All falls are finds, but 
not all finds are falls, the rest is just semantics.

K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM,  cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
 Mendy,
 All due respect to you and Jeff Grossman (one of our Royalty figures) but, to 
 me a fall is either observed or there is great evidence like damage caused by 
 the impact. All else is a find. Because after all, all finds are falls or how 
 else would they be here?
 Best Rgards,
 Carl
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  Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been thinking about the email Jeff sent out some time back and 
 wanted to propose a slightly different set of names and simplify the 
 nomenclature.
 You can see Jeff's original email below. I think we have all 
 struggled with defining meteorites that are neither observed falls 
 nor finds and part of the reason is that we were conflating too many ideas.
 Observed fall: Observed to fall, either by eyewitnesses or with instruments.
 The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the 
 collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when 
 collection does not occur immediately, the strewn field location (if 
 there is one) and appearance taking into account weathering 
 associated with time on the ground, may be directly attributed to the fall.
 Correlated fall: No material was found immediately after an observed 
 event, but later analysis and physical evidence conclusively points 
 to an observed event on a specific date or within a very narrow range of 
 dates.
 Find: Material was found and no event can be conclusively associated 
 with an observed event. A find that appears like a fresh fall is 
 still a find if no observed event can be associated with it.
 Feedback welcome.
 Mendy Ouzillou
 IMCA8393

 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
 Jeff Grossman
 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

 I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the 
 last three are types of finds.

 Jeff

 On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
  In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least 
  qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered 
  are these, and the definitions are first passes:
 
  Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with 
  instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well 
  documented.
  Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is 
  consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur 
  immediately, directly points