Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor any of 
the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

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From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.



On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
> What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Jim Wooddell
> 
> Sent from Mail  for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
> 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
> *To: *Raremeteorites 
> *Cc: *metlist 
> *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land
> 
> I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
> fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
> or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Ruben and List,
> 
> Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?
> 
> I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
> with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
> monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
> by them.
> 
> Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
> of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
> for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
> Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,
> jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
> of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
> stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
> This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
> including Ads!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
>  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up, but really...
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
>  > wrote:
> I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
> mind that
> selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
> against federal law.
> I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
> some List Members
> have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
> sales,
> especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
> for free and
> without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
> BLM's
> regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
> certain public
> lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
> per person per
> year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
> non-motorized and
> non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
> okay. However,
> specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
> only, and may not
> be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
> 
> https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
>  

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


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From: Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM
To: Raremeteorites
Cc: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable fall - 
in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government or state 
agency relating to meteorites or anything else.  
On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
 wrote:
Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with the new 
laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary value of 
meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for competitors 
and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only that, dealers who 
break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the collection of meteorites 
on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as 
examples for even stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:
This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >
IMCA # 1941 > > Ebay alienrockfarm > > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] YouTube Video

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Larry!

THAT is an AWESOME video!!!

Jim

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[meteorite-list] Veterans Meteorite Hunt Happening!!!

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Folks!

I hope this message goes through!

Together with Granger Legacy, I am putting on a Veteran's Meteorite Hunt
On April 29th exclusively for Veterans of any of the 5 armed services. 
There will be expert meteorite hunters to help guide Veterans during the
hunt to help insure their best chance of finding a meteorite.
All veterans are welcome.  A camp out and BBQ are happening and the BBQ
is no charge to the Veterans.  Breakfast is being served at no charge as
well.  PLEASE RSVP for head count.
The hunt will be near Pahrump, NV.  Some of the Vets are staying at the
Saddle West Hotel in Pahrump rather than camping.  If you are a Veteran
and are interested, please join the Facebook Group or contact me direct
to sign up.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/156274051559087/

V/R,

Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Folks!

I hope this message goes through!

Together with Granger Legacy, I am putting on a Veteran's Meteorite Hunt
On April 29th exclusively for Veterans of any of the 5 armed services. 
There will be expert meteorite hunters to help guide Veterans during the
hunt to help insure their best chance of finding a meteorite.
All veterans are welcome.  A camp out and BBQ are happening and the BBQ
is no charge to the Veterans.  Breakfast is being served at no charge as
well.  PLEASE RSVP for head count.
The hunt will be near Pahrump, NV.  Some of the Vets are staying at the
Saddle West Hotel in Pahrump rather than camping.  If you are a Veteran
and are interested, please join the Facebook Group or contact me direct
to sign up.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/156274051559087/

V/R,

Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] MetBul database

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

I am guessing holiday!

Merry  Christmas everyone!


Jim


On 12/24/2016 11:20 AM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Does anyone know what's going on with the MetBul on-line database? I haven't 
> been able to access if for many days, from many computers :(
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Paul Swartz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field (Congrat's!)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Ruben and all!

I had not fired up the database files I have in a long time and I just
completed inputting Myke's finds into the database.I can not go into
much detail except for the finds that made it to the Met Bull...and I am
very happy to see some of them now classified! You can look at YUCCA 041
(H3-6) in the Met Bulls and see that finds in that area occurred long
ago.  That said, early on, I know for a fact that Denny Asher did not
have a GPS and much of the find data back then was the pointy finger
method.  At some point in time, Jerry Baird gave Denny a GPS and gave
him instruction on how to use it out of frustration of not having good
find data.  Next thing that happened was Denny came up with a strewn
field every time he found two meteorites!  Had he kept that up, there
would have been 360 degrees worth of strewn fields!  Often, they just
walked areas looking for the critters on the surface.  Very much looking
forward to Dr Garvie's classification.  Thin section turned out beautimus!

Now, back to watching epoxy cure! 

Jim



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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

It is the Horizon pictures that nail the coffin shut.

I see 6 peaks and three mountain ranges I know very well (I named them
for a project in the past), and a housing area!

Even though I know exactly where you guys are, I could easily find
exactly where you are using the pictures.  I have found other "secret"
strewn fields using pictures posted and.  The information gathering
takes place over time until one gets enough to move.  Common
investigative techniques!
Meteorite Hunting Rule #17.  Never share pictures with the Horizon in
the background.

Hope you guys found more.  Looked like a great day.  Sample I am working
on is metal richabundant troilite which overwhelms the kamacite
present!  Maybe 2 to 1!  Looks like an H to me, low weathering, not
uncommon for that area. My disclaimer is I could be totally wrong!! 

Jim





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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting Arizona's Newest Strewn Field

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi List!


Geese Ruben, your pictures tell us exactly where you are!


Take care out there!


Jim


On 12/06/2016 11:05 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> Great looking stones, I hope this strewn field turns out to be one
> that produces for many, many years!  Looking forward to the
> classification and getting out there myself.  So much terrain like
> that in AZ, every time I drive through the state I want to stop and
> cold hunt just about everywhere.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> My friend Myke Steighler recently found some really fresh looking
>> (probably L) chondrite meteorites in Northwest Arizona.
>>
>> Today he invited Dustin Dickens and Myself to hunt what we believe is
>> Arizona's Newest Strewn field.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I can not divulge the exact location until the
>> classification process is completed.
>>
>> However, here are some photos of our hunt and some of Myke's amazing finds.
>>
>> http://www.mrmeteorite.com/arizona-s-newest-strewnfield
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Important Announcement form the Nomenclature Committee

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Y'all,

In a nutshell, from this point forward, DCA's will be created in the 
form of grids.

From this point forward, new finds with coordinates will have DCA names.
That's what I get out of it!

Happy days everyone!

Jim Wooddell



On 2/14/2015 12:04 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Carl and List,

Thank you for this update on the change.  However, what exactly does
this mean in practice?

For example, would a find with coordinates like Mreira now be
classified as a NWA 10xxx ?

Or will finds with firm reliable coordinates still be considered for a
place name and not a NWA 10xxx?

On this page, I can see the crossed out portion about NWAs that was
abolished.  But what else has changed in regards to policy about
classifying NWA material? - http://meteoriticalsociety.org/?page_id=59

Best regards,

MikeG




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Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

For those that don't live in the US,

You try and send us flowers, all hell will break out.  And lord help us 
all if the flowers have dirt on them, we will go into a level 2 alert.


However, we welcome Ebola and other nasty stuff!We are just a little 
different!


That is all.

Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Keeping this meteorite related, the California bug stations even look 
for firewood coming in from other states.  So for example you are 
planning a meteorite
hunting trip into or through California and figure you would like to 
haul some firewood with you, you might want to know that they may or 
will seize

it at the border inspection stations.

Jim Wooddell




On 12/8/2014 6:51 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and ship goods to you in 
violation of California law? They could be prosecuted for that.

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION

Hi All,
Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
As some of you know, I grow exotic plants, have a
Greenhouse, etc.
Unfortunately, CA is THE worst state when it comes
To importing plants.
SNIPOLA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Y'all

It would be nice to here from the NomCom in regards to this for my 
education.


I do not have any issue with each meteorite (fragment/size or other) 
being classified/submitted/approved for several reasons.

I very much appreciate the effort.

Would like to know more about the requests/submissions/ what is 
required/involved for approval of pairing groups, etc.  I know what the 
guidelines say.

Are there existing pairing groups out there?

Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell



On 11/23/2014 5:43 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list wrote:

No,
Apologies to all members of the Nom.Comm who might be reading the Met 
List, but no, they did not find 41 meteorites in the Gobi, they found 
41 Fragments of ONE meteorite.
Just read the descriptions, and they are all identical:  found within 
48 hours, in an area of less than 4 square kilometers, all of them L5, 
S=5 and W=2, almost identical composition. No, 41 fragments of 1 
meteorite.


Sorry, this is a blatant example of a pairing system that is not working.
All buying of ... You know the rest.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 
Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)



Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Well, some of us had wondered in the past : Is there another untapped
concentration of meteorites waiting to be found outside of NWA and
Antarctica.  Some (including myself) postulated that the Gobi desert
was a possibility.  In recent times, we are seeing more meteorites
coming out of the Gobi.  While these may never surface on the private
market (or at least to the degree that NWA has), it appears the Gobi
meteorites are there and are being recovered in increasing numbers.

There are 43 new approvals - most are OC's from China and the Gobi.
There is also an iron from Brazil and 4 new meteorites from the NWA
DCA, including a lunar.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Correction:  It would be nice to *hear
jw
On 11/24/2014 8:28 AM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Y'all

It would be nice to here from the NomCom in regards to this for my 
education.


I do not have any issue with each meteorite (fragment/size or other) 
being classified/submitted/approved for several reasons.

I very much appreciate the effort.

Would like to know more about the requests/submissions/ what is 
required/involved for approval of pairing groups, etc.  I know what 
the guidelines say.

Are there existing pairing groups out there?

Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell



On 11/23/2014 5:43 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list wrote:

No,
Apologies to all members of the Nom.Comm who might be reading the Met 
List, but no, they did not find 41 meteorites in the Gobi, they found 
41 Fragments of ONE meteorite.
Just read the descriptions, and they are all identical:  found within 
48 hours, in an area of less than 4 square kilometers, all of them 
L5, S=5 and W=2, almost identical composition. No, 41 fragments of 1 
meteorite.


Sorry, this is a blatant example of a pairing system that is not 
working.

All buying of ... You know the rest.


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 5:00 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 43 New Approvals and 
1 Lunar (The Gobi Desert Opens Up)



Hi Bulletin Watchers,

Well, some of us had wondered in the past : Is there another untapped
concentration of meteorites waiting to be found outside of NWA and
Antarctica.  Some (including myself) postulated that the Gobi desert
was a possibility.  In recent times, we are seeing more meteorites
coming out of the Gobi.  While these may never surface on the private
market (or at least to the degree that NWA has), it appears the Gobi
meteorites are there and are being recovered in increasing numbers.

There are 43 new approvals - most are OC's from China and the Gobi.
There is also an iron from Brazil and 4 new meteorites from the NWA
DCA, including a lunar.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

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Hello all!

The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue 
that???
 It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission, 
Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake 
in perception.
The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably 
should not take any credit for

anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.

Like Gary said, it's up to the individual.
I don't think anyone is not supportive of outreach, it's just not the
function of the IMCA.

REF: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1Itemid=14


Jim


On 11/22/2014 8:39 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Ray Watts said :

I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the I.M.C.A.

Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
the walk or get the hell out.

My two cents.

Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.

Best regards,

MikeG




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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Mike,

Same goes with Sacramento Wash 005.  How many of those have been sold 
where the dealer has no clue!

And they are still being sold as such!  No one freaking cares!

Jim


On 11/23/2014 10:01 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
shoot the messenger syndrome again.

How exactly does anyone guarantee authenticity in regards to meteorites?

Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
meteorite community :

If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
scientist?

I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites with amino acids

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Hi Rob and all!

Nice list, Rob!  Thanks!

I've had the opportunity to work with several Jblit Winselwan fragments 
while making thin sections of them.  It was obvious someone washed or 
rinsed a couple of the samples I had.  In what, I do not know.
Additionally, once the pieces came apart it was clear with both the none 
washed samples and the washed samples, terrestrial contamination 
occurred at some point in it's life on earth.  All of them I have had 
reminded me of goat turds as to who they were formed and stuck 
togetheror a part of one that had already came apart.   Very 
delicate material, but could be taken apart.


So, I wonder what affect this would have on any amino acid study where 
strict handling protocol of the sample did not occur and what affect 
this would have on a study where terrestrial contamination is obvious.
Would scientist still be able to isolate particles for studying amino 
acids and not be too concerned about contamination???


Have a great day!

Jim Wooddell


On 11/18/2014 8:07 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:

Amino acids have been found in the following meteorites of which I'm aware:

Murray (CM2)
Murchison (CM2)
Tagish Lake (C2 ungrouped)
Almahata Sitta (anomalous ureilite)
Sutter's Mill (CM2)
Allan Hills 77306 (CM2)
Allan Hills 83100 (CM2)
Asuka 88120 (CM2)
Asuka 881334 (CM2)
Lewis Cliffs 90500 (CM2)
Lone Wolf Nunataks 94102 (CM2)
Yamato 74662 (CM2)
Yamato 791198 (CM2) - most amino-acid-rich meteorite known
Yamato 793321 (CM2)
Belgica 7904 (CM2)
Orgueil (CI1)
Ivuna (CI1)

I am sure there are others that I have missed.  --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas Fireball on CNN

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Was awful fast.
Jim



On 11/9/2014 3:19 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list wrote:

Unfortunately, nothing on any of the five closest radars to the fall location.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona fireball

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Lots of meteors last night.  It's been going on for a few days now.  It 
appears most of them are slow...3 to 6 seconds.  However, there are some 
that are screaming!

Nice to see the activity!

Jim


On 11/9/2014 6:37 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

Tried to email list, blocked. I saw great fireball about 15 minutes ago. East 
of Tucson and heading east.
Michael Farmer

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[meteorite-list] Description???

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi folks!

If you would be so kind

If you were going to describe the fracture and the stuff in the fracture 
from this picture, What would you write?

I would like to add something about the fracture in the write-up.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/DSCN2080_zps4e342e8e.jpg


Thanks!

Jim


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Re: [meteorite-list] Robert Ward, Steve Schoner, and Ted Bunch in the news - possible fall in Arizona

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi all!

Fortunately, the Flagstaff sky cam caught the flight of the meteor.  
Unfortunately, the camera was moved a few months ago and no one involved 
with the calibration files knew that.  So, the process of calibration 
will have to begin again before a proper heading can be determined.  
Close enough is not going to cut it.  This can take weeks to get good 
star profiles for this site.


Jim Wooddell




On 10/7/2014 8:26 AM, Art Jones via Meteorite-list wrote:

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/meteorite-hunter-zeroes-in-on-zone-northeast-of-flagstaff/article_4f587f0a-2901-5be2-bf42-a751447147d7.html


Best Regards,  Art
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Re: [meteorite-list] Robert Ward, Steve Schoner, and Ted Bunch in the news - possible fall in Arizona

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Linton,

We have a very good method of calibrating these cameras.  For some 
reason, we have  too many experts up there that have actually never 
calibrated calling the shots and saying what is.
There is a team of folks that do this on a regular basis.  We just got 
caught with our pants down due to a camera moving without notification.  
I am gathering info now for the team to recalibrate.
Got it handled but thanks much for the offer.  Please report your 
witnessed event to AMS!


Jim


On 10/7/2014 11:34 AM, Linton Rohr wrote:

Hi Jim.
I'm up in Torrey, Utah, just west of Capitol Reef N.P. and just saw a 
huge fireball at 04:40 am MDT Oct.2. (That would be 03:40 for you, in 
MST, right?) If that fireball appears (it would be pretty low) on the 
Flagstaff camera, I can help with the calibration. The AMS site has a 
witness in Flagstaff and two in Phoenix.

Linton

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Bunch in the news - possible fall in Arizona




Hi all!

Fortunately, the Flagstaff sky cam caught the flight of the meteor. 
Unfortunately, the camera was moved a few months ago and no one 
involved with the calibration files knew that.  So, the process of 
calibration will have to begin again before a proper heading can be 
determined.  Close enough is not going to cut it.  This can take 
weeks to get good star profiles for this site.


Jim Wooddell




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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

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Darn near perfect size for a 500lb bomb!  Hmmm...

Jim


On 9/9/2014 10:50 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:

Rob and Marco, I agree, sounds very plausible.  However, if you read
what CNN has to say, they've already determined it's from a meteorite
(sheesh!): 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/tech/innovation/nicaragua-meteorite/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Michael in so. Cal.

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Hi Marco:  your hypothesis is far more reasonable than a meteorite-caused 
impact pit.  --Rob

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It is well known that arms caches were hidden in Nicaragua during the fight 
between Sandinista's and Contra's in the 80-ies. In 1993, one of these exploded 
in Managua. Maybe something like that happened again.

Marco
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ice-rafted rocks on dry-lakes

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Hi Bob and all!

When I first got into meteorites, I was shocked people were still 
talking about is as some kind of

magical thing that hadn't been figured out!
I think all this does is re-affirm what many already knew.  I did not 
take it as anything new at all!
I know of the work a few of you did  about a decade ago, but ice rafting 
has been known for decades.
Disappointed that this made it official as it's been official in my 
mind for years and yearsnot to mention a video I posted about a year 
or more ago of ice sheets that were carrying rocks slamming
into the shore in heavy winds.  But whatever.  I would still contend 
wind and water, without the need for ice, can do the same thing.  Anyone 
who has tried to walk across a moist (almost muddy) dry lake knows how 
slippery they become!

The power water and wind has is amazing!

I  get a kick of the giant rock ice-rafting picture!!

http://www.fvalk.com/images/Arctic/1991/Rock%20conveyor.jpg

Jim






On 8/29/2014 10:53 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

It's now official.  We can stop calling them sailing stones.  New video shows 
that playa rocks are being barged across the lakebed.
Apparently, wind-driven, floating sheets of ice are dragging or pushing the rocks leaving 
their tracks in the wet lakebed sediment.

Photos in the article show tracks of rocks that make tight turns and circle 
back into the direction from which they had come.  This shows that,
in these cases, the rocks are locked into the ice-sheet.
http://images.realclear.com/256104_5_.jpg

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lake Los Angeles and NWA's

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Hi all!

For clarity,

It is Lake Los Angeles (b)   as there is a Lake Los Angeles.

Kind regards,

Jim


On 8/15/2014 9:00 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:
That is interesting.   I recently purchased a beautiful piece of land 
just outside Lake Los Angeles in Palmdale.  I would not want to live 
in California but the property was too interesting to walk away from 
even though the county taxes are outrageous.  The locals call my 
latest property, The Giza Plateau since it has three Monadnocks 
(Rock Hills) that tower over the valley and resemble pyramids from a 
distance.  I would rather be searching for meteorites than wasting 
time sandblasting off the graffiti some punks covered over petroglyphs 
with on my land.


The coordinates for the latest Lake Los Angeles find are only about 
five minutes away!


Happy Hunting,

Adam



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Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Lake Los Angeles and 
NWA's




Hi Bulletin Watchers.

There are 15 new approvals.  One is from California and the rest are
OC's from the NWA DCA.

Link : 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=2pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0


Best regards and happy huntings,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Can someone check this for me?

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That's Geoff Notkin's site.  Club Space Rock.
Jim


On 6/20/2014 7:43 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Listees,

I was looking through my server logs and visitor stats today and found
a URL that sent about a dozen visitors to my site.  I tried visiting
the URL, but it is a member's only forum and I am not a member, so I
cannot see it.  I do not want to bother with registering and then
waiting to be approved, just to check a single URL.  I know some
members of this List are also members of this forum, so I have a small
favor to ask - can someone visit the URL and copy/paste the text on
the page and email it to me?  I am curious what the page/discussion
says.

Link : http://meteorites.ning.com/forum/topics/meteorite-cutting

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - Lake Los Angeles

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Thanks Alan and Carl  the NomCom! And, Big Congrats to Steve on this 
very nice find and approval!


Jim


On 5/22/2014 7:09 AM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Bulletin Watchers,

There is one new approval.  It is Lake Los Angeles, an H6 from California.

Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=59605

Best regards and happy huntings,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hi Adam and all,

Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules.

The BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper 
was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors
to implement or not.  To be clear, they are not rules.  And, the BLM has 
failed to issues claimed permits for

commercial ventures when ask.

If you can show me where these guidelines have become rules and have 
actually been implemented, I'd like to see it.


Jim



On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim and All,

Unless they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be 
used for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations 
rendering them without commercial value.  This is even before the new 
laws limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less 
without a commercial permit.  The interesting thing is not a single 
commercial permit has ever been issued despite being applied for.


Sorry for the bad news,

That is why it so important to treat private land owners with the 
utmost respect in order to gain access to unrestricted search areas.


Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

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Hi Adam!

I totally get where you are coming from on this issue and trust me...we 
are on the same side!

Soapbox ON -
I've been directly involved with the NPS and BLM on patrols on Federal 
Waters.   I can safely say I am not going
to have any issues with rangers over this issue.   I won't own what they 
think.  If I do get confronted, it will not bother me much
and odds are if he/she is an ass, they will go away with more of their 
day ruined.  I am not one of the idiots they really have to
worry about.  And have yet talked to a Ranger or BLM supervisor that 
thinks these rules are reasonable or enforceable or
worth their time bothering with.  Sheese, just last week we had a 
fighter jet do a flyby, turn around and go sideways on us checking us

out!

The paper was a guideline.  They have denied issuing permits.

If we keep being sheep, they will continue to herd us!  People have 
become way to passive in regards to these federal agencies.


When someone gets arrested for selling meteorites, I hope the meteorite 
community finally gets off their lazy butt and fight it.
99.9% of us hunters are doing nothing illegal or wrong, we are not 
hurting the environment by any means and some of us do provide
material to science...whether it adds to a better understanding of the 
cosmos or not is moot!  We help provide answers, we are the boots

on the ground.

Beings how my interest is 99.9% hunting and research, they really do not 
have a leg to stand onif they push the
issue, I will push right back equally.  I have no problem getting 
arrested for my beliefs.


So, my bottom line is this;  Their so called rules do not intimidate 
me nor am I going to fear them.  I am one that is sick and tire of 
crappy BLM rules
and management if you can call what some of what they do is management 
(you'd have to be as dumb as a box of rocks thinking

it is management (and that's what they count on)).
They have, as an agency, exploited and ruined more public land because 
of their rules and policies than any other group of people haveever.
On the other hand, I appreciate what a good ranger does and I really do 
not mind them checking up on us in the field.  I fully understand they 
do have to deal
with some real idiots that trash our deserts.  Most of the time they are 
alone and can not monkey around when dealing with people they do not know.

With me, odds are they will go away enlightened and with a meteorite!
- Soapbox OFF

We should get together sometime and hunt, and drag Guy out so he can 
find a meteorite!


Jim




Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you have engaged in 
over the years that you have not been personally involved with the BLM 
in the field.  Sometimes
you run into a reasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into 
one looking exert their authority.


Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim


On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list

Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. 

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I 
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that 
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it 
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.


Sonny






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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with 
the BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone 
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and 
got variable answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices 
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This 
included a magnet on a stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter 
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is 
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found 
on public land.  The only consistent answer I ever got was that 
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial 
purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the thrill is finding 
them,Adam- Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.comTo: 
raremeteori...@centurylink.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 
9:49 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter 
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to 
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I 
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two 
BLM Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no 
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have 
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have 
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on 
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is 
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite 
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs 
this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message- From: Raremeteorites 
via Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: 
meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry 
Lake Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect 
culturalproperties and turned them into laws. These rules have been 
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority 
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great 
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the 
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their 
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will 
never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that 
meteorites are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a 
fortune.Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal 
government. Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman 
meteorite.   Our group, consisting ofseven people, were warned by BLM 
agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be 
resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets.  Four prominent 
meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.   I was 
personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will 
leave it at that.  Others on thislist have been warned as well.  I 
will leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory 
experiences with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search 
on private property with writtenpermission if want to resell your 
finds.  There has been  a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having 
their entire collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance 
indicating their finds weremade on private land.  Even then, you are 
not allowed to dig on privateproperty for them.  They have to be 
surface finds. Remember, the lawswritten for artifacts and fossils 
now apply to meteorites even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in 
the UNESCO guidelines which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised 
that with all of the hunting youhave engaged in over the years that 
you have not been personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field.  
Sometimes you run into 

Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the 
opportunity to touch and see the

Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out 
of the BLM building!

She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to 
go get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds 
could be raised to retrieve these.

Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make 
it happen by a qualified organization


Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is 
nuts!  I am mean really.


Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim


On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
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Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim



On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list


Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried
to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be
a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny






-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???


Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with the
BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with three
different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that
also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are
not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the
thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
wahlpe...@aol.comTo: raremeteori...@centurylink.net;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey
Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just
need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over
the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian
Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked
aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting
formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas
BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the
State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that
meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences
with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find
some more Easter Eggs this weekend! :  )Sonny-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via
Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comTo: meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject:
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted
the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into
laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants
overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.
I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which
sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened
their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which

Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Miller in ICU - Thoughts and Prayers Appreciated

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Ruben,  I would like to meet you up there.  Call me with your plans!

Jim


On 5/21/2014 3:59 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

HI Jim, and all who've asked.

I talked to several people that have seen Mike today and they tell me
his condition is improving - but he will remian in ICU for a while
longer.  When I called the hospital they couldn't tell me much. I do
know that he's breathing without the aid of a ventilator and that he's
talking, but not much I keep saying that's always how he is  ;)

Anyway, I'm coming up to see him again on Saturday so I'll have a
better idea and can relay that to the meteorite community as soon I
see for myself.



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Ruben!

Any update on Mike?
Jim

On 5/20/2014 8:57 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Thanks for posting on FB... Mike will appreciate it.   Hope thinks are
good with you and Wendy

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Ruben!

Good news he is getting better.  Thanks for posting.  I've been
forwarding
to FaceBook as some folks can not see this.
Please keep the good news coming!  Hope all is well with you and your
family.
First think I thought of was he cut into something bad in a
meteorite.you can never know.

All good here, just returned from Yelland Dry Lake and Tule Valley Dry
Lake
in UTAH.

Jim




On 5/19/2014 9:29 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone that sent Mike an email message.

In response to questions about Mikes illness:

The doctors have treated Mike for pneumonia, and valley fever, but
they're thinking now that the cause may be meteorite related.

Mike has been cutting, sanding, etching, opticon-ing and lacquering
meteorites for nearly a decade without using any type of mask. Even If
not THE cause I doubt seriously it's helped the situation.

Update: Just talked to Melissa (Mike's daughter) and she said Mike has
responded somewhat favorably to the treatment. Just this afternoon he
began breathing on his own and so they removed the ventilator. While
still heavily sedated and in ICU he is trying to speak and moving
enough that they thought he was trying to break the restaints placed
on his arms and legs.

It's looking better...

Keep Praying!

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:42 PM, John Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote:

Thanks Ruben for the information, please keep us informed on Mike

Cheers
John

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Hi all,

I stopped by to see our friend Mike Miller today at the hospital
(KRMC) in Kingman, AZ.

He's completely sedated and on a breathing machine. I was told that
he's been in ICU for a few days and that doctors are somewhat baffled
as to what has happened. Something is causing fluid build up in his
lungs that is making it impossible for him to breathe unassisted. He
entered the hospital on Wednesday evening due to pains in his chest
and back but within hours had to be put on a ventilator to breathe.

Mikes daughters (Ashley, and Melissa) work for him and will be
checking his email. If you'd like to wish Mike well I'm sure he'd
appreciate it. Here is his email.  meteoritefin...@gmail.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Yep  100% agree.  I'd go a step further and say data 
analysis/classification/curation of ALL meteoriteseven the little 
bitty ones.


I got to tell you it's tough...very toughbeing a hunter...wanting to 
do the right thing getting finds classified and in curation.  Especially 
when I am retired and seek no profit

from any of this.

BTW, do you have an area for USA meteorites set up for displaying them?  
I'll send you anything I have if you dono strings... other than I'd 
like to see them displayed.

ASU doesn't even have an Arizona displaydrives me freaking nuts!

Jim

On 5/21/2014 4:07 PM, Carl Agee via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim,

Just between you and me -- and everyone else on the internet -- I wish
NASA would spend a tiny fraction of their ~$19B annual budget on the
recovery, classification, curation, and data analysis on
scientifically valuable meteorites originating outside of Antarctica.
They spend piles of money on JPL's remote sensing probes and archiving
the data from missions but somehow the non-Antarctic samples in our
labs and university museums are not as special to them -- and as far
as I know they are from the same solar system :) :)

Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jim Wooddell
jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:

Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at.  I really appreciated the
opportunity to touch and see the
Old Woman Meteorite.
The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of
the BLM building!
She thought I was joking around!  ;)

If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go
get it and re-unite them.
I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could
be raised to retrieve these.
Russia would do it, I bet!

I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it
happen by a qualified organization

Won't believe it until I see pictures.  Hiding something like this is nuts!
I am mean really.

Now back to watching epoxy cure!
I need to call you next week.

Jim



On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote:

I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the
Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures --
i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full
slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass
is on display in California for tourists to appreciate.

Carl Agee
*
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/



On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:

Hi Sonny,

I thought the miners..or one of them passed?

Let's go get it!  Did they say how big the other pieces are?

Jim



On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hey Adam and list


Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.

Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
piece
has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have
tried
to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite
would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would
be
a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny






-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???


Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with
the
BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone with
three
different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable
answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area
that
also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This included a magnet on a
stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my
friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see
anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land.  The only
consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land
are
not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me,
the
thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From:
wahlpe...@aol.comTo: raremeteori...@centurylink.net;
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent

[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

I am curious as to what the consensus is on the prices of Dry Lake 
Meteorite finds are worth on the market.  I am not talking about little 
bitty finds in the under 5 gram range, I am talking

finds that weigh at least 20 grams up to 1kg.

I am really interested in current and past prices of the following 
places within known DCA's in particular:


Coyote Dry Lake

Stewart Valley Dry Lake

Yelland Dry Lake

Tule Valley Dry Lake

Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mendy,

I concur, change is not needed.  I don't believe not finding a witnessed 
event constitutes a change.  And, with the addition of many many all sky 
cams, sonics and radar, falls are going to be the norm in the future.


While sonics could be in question, to answer a 'funny'.if a meteor 
falls in the woods and no one is around to witness it, does it make a 
sound?  Yes if a sonic station hears it!  ;)



Besides the fact the definitions have been working a very very long 
time, another really obvious reason why change is not needed is many 
people who should get their terminology right...don't! And we see it all 
the time!


There really should be no time constraint on a fall.

There is no way I would consider Indian Butte, based on evidence 
presented, a find.  Who has that screw loose?I do like the original 
name better thoughmade more sense to me and fit the addresses (with 
zip codes) less than a mile away!  And the fact there is an Indian 
Butte, AZ  not even close to the fall makes it kind of strange.


Jim


On 5/7/2014 3:07 PM, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list wrote:

So far the response has been basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
However, doing so ignores changes in technology that enables us to identify 
meteors at specific locations in space and time and possible fall locations.
Take Indian Butte for example. The MetBull identifies this meteorite as a Fall 
(witnessed) from 1998. However, the first specimen was not found until 2013. According to 
the feedback so far, this meteorite should then have been classified as a find. Indian 
Butte is only one example of the situation actually being broke - so in my mind, new 
information and new situations deserve a fresh perspective. By the way, I agree with the 
classification of it as a fall. Given only two present choices - fall is the 
most appropriate.
I am in no way suggesting adding the many types of descriptors as proposed by Jeff, but I 
am proposing adding one more called the correlated fall. As technology 
improves, I believe we will be seeing more situations like Indian Butte where an event is 
captured, but material is not found for years after the event.
Change is not always bad.  :-)
Mendy

-Original Message-
From: Michael Mulgrew [mailto:mikest...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Carl Esparza
Cc: Meteorite List; Mendy Ouzillou
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

Fall, find, anything further is unnecessary clutter.  All falls are finds, but 
not all finds are falls, the rest is just semantics.

K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM,  cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:

Mendy,
All due respect to you and Jeff Grossman (one of our Royalty figures) but, to 
me a fall is either observed or there is great evidence like damage caused by 
the impact. All else is a find. Because after all, all finds are falls or how 
else would they be here?
Best Rgards,
Carl
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 Mendy Ouzillou mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been thinking about the email Jeff sent out some time back and
wanted to propose a slightly different set of names and simplify the 
nomenclature.
You can see Jeff's original email below. I think we have all
struggled with defining meteorites that are neither observed falls
nor finds and part of the reason is that we were conflating too many ideas.
Observed fall: Observed to fall, either by eyewitnesses or with instruments.
The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the
collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when
collection does not occur immediately, the strewn field location (if
there is one) and appearance taking into account weathering
associated with time on the ground, may be directly attributed to the fall.
Correlated fall: No material was found immediately after an observed
event, but later analysis and physical evidence conclusively points
to an observed event on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates.
Find: Material was found and no event can be conclusively associated
with an observed event. A find that appears like a fresh fall is
still a find if no observed event can be associated with it.
Feedback welcome.
Mendy Ouzillou
IMCA8393

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff Grossman
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the
last three are types of finds.

Jeff

On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:

In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least
qualifying the definition of fall. The categories I've considered
are these, and the definitions are first passes:

Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with