Re: [meteorite-list] Iron slice etching questions
Hello Shawn, The radio shack etchant is ferric chloride and it works very fast. It is a deep etch and will give more contast and bring out detail you will not get using Nitric. (We etched a Fredericksberg Hexahedrite for Richard Norton once and brough out much Neumann line structure, and he was overjoyed!) You want to polish your iron meteorite out to a mirror finish (moreso than if you used nitric) Traditional nitric acid will give a nice etch if you sand down to a #400. For preparing your speciomen with the RS FeCl etchant you should go to #1200 or sometimes #2400 grit. Your previous coating and and residual surface structures will be gone at this point. Now hold the prepared surface under running water and quickly coat the speciment with the RS etchant using a broad brush (abou an inch). Dabbing may give uneven results as it sometimes will bring out the pattern almost instantly. If your etched surface turns dark you have over etched and you need to start over. When satisfied, rinse quickly and thoroughly to remove any residual ferric chloride. Then rinse thoroughly in at least a 90% Isopropyl alchhol. No need to go to a 100% because once you begin to use it you have contaminated it by a few percent water. If it seems stable, submirse in a container of the ATF fluid. Here is the trick. Put into a oven and heat until you see bubbles coming out of the cracks and fissures of the meteorite. You will be surprised how much water is still in the fissures. After a couple of hours let cool in the oven. During this process the metal will have expanded and any bubbles of water and other contaminants will have been purged from the meteorite and the fissures will fill with the AFT and seal. It is failure to do this which eventually leads to rusting as virtually noone goes through this step. After cooling remove the meteorite and allow a very thin coating to puddle on the surface, but wipe off any excess. Let dry for 2 or 3 days naturally. (Preferably upside down in a box so as not to allow dust to get embedded in the surface while sticky.) When dry you will have a nice protective coating from the ATF fluid. Metal with ATF on it will not rust. But be sure that you have treated the cracks and fussures. Exact temperatures in the oven: Much higher than if you put in an iron meteorite not in fluid (maybe 200+ degrees). The surface would turn color and you may ruin it. You need to experiment but don't cause an explosion or burn down your house. I offer these suggestions as a guideline, but I DO NOT ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS, and be careful when using any etchant. Wear potective gloves so you don't stain your fingers. We have found parameters that work for us - nothing rusts, not even ruster Campos! You may have to adjust times and temperatures used with dufferent meteorites. Good luck. Let me know how you do. (Use of AFT fluid developed by Jim Hartman who first noticed in 2000 in an auto wrecking yard that piles of junk iron that had had AFT fluid dripped on it were shiny bright where the fluid had dripped. . See our article on eiching in the archives of the METEORITE TIMES. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/meteorites_101.htm (c) 2001 Ronald N Hartman / James C. Hartman Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron slice etching questions Hi, Shawn. I use CLR on a Q-tip to remove rust, and rinse off the CLR with isopropyl alcohol. Rather than hassle with nitric acid solutions I use computer board etchant that you can purchase at any Radio Shack (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102868). Dab it on with a foam brush and rinse with warm water, followed by an iso alcohol rinse and a couple hours in the oven to dry. After it's dry I apply a light coat of automatic transmission fluid. I don't use lacquer because if I don't want to seal anything in by accident, and I prefer to be able to quickly re-clean if needed. Here's a small Campo slice I recently rehab'd, it came out great! http://api.ning.com/files/TTNq51g3PmEprv8cGklQmHxEnDH*40GU9qqeWlLVr3cNNcgRVd*HYBhyOcU19upJ1sNWmzTcdWSxWfxxyek*qZu-H3pLDerR/camporehab.jpg Best, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers For all of you that collect irons I have a couple questions. The first one is I know some people seal their iron slices with a clear coat lacker, now is this safe to do if done right, and if so, what is the producted used. If someone wants to take it off the clear coat what can be used? Could acetone be a good agent to take off the coating? Second question what do people use to etch an iron. I have seen some videos but nothing talks about the acid used or the strength
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Stragglers
Add Red Dry Lake (Ca) 001 to that list. I am wondering why the committee has refused to accept the classification when everything has been documented and I understand that all requirements now made? (emails from: Robert Verish, J. Grossman, and others, 2000, 2004, 2010. (I first had this submitted this to U of A in 2000 [by way of R. Norton who personally submitted it for me] and a classification of a thin section was made but the classification was withheld. Robert Verish subsequently was able to verify the coordiates.) This is an important find to document due the the number of specimens subsequently found. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Stragglers There are no restrictions on who can submit. You just need to have that authoritative classification and type specimen location. Jeff On 5/19/2011 12:54 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Listees, I am wondering about the following meteorites and why they haven't made it into the Bulletin yet : 1) Zunhua 2) Cartersville 3) Breja 4) Kosice I know these things can take time, and much depends on the person who is submitting the paperwork to NonCom. But Zunhua is now over 3 years old, and it's not in the Bulletin. So I am wondering what the hold up is? Assuming the original paperwork was lost or not submitted to NonCom, couldn't some else go ahead and do that or does the original classifier have to do it? All of these are witnessed falls and should be a shoe in for the Bulletin. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas
NWA 2683 is provisonal but the pallasites are real! Since its been 6.5 years, strange that it has not yet been classified. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION- Al Mahbas Hello All, I recently posted pics (EoM) of a slice of Al Mahbas and listed it as NWA 2683. As i noticed that no one else has done the same;--is this appropriate or did i jump the gun? Thanks John IMCA #1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Did the Meteorite Collecting magazine extras show up? Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com To: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question Greetings List, I must concur with Ryan. (Iwas not there, but watched the live feed) There were several occasions where it was announced that the current bid was the maximum of an absentee bid. Respectfully, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sun, 2/6/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question To: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net, meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 5:42 PM That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ? Don Edwards Houston, TX IMCA 6527 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Meteor, meteorite, and meteoioid: In response to the American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company, which is reported here to have stated that the object itself may be termed a meteor while in flight through the atmosphere, note that dictionaries are not the authoritative source for what an object is or is not. Dictionaries reflect only common (popular) usage, and if it is not a technical dictionary, more so. I remember being told as a student taking a graduate level course in the History and Development of the English language that dictionaries may be as much as 50 years behind the times in reflecting current usage. Within the informed scientific community, among those who are meteoriticists, a meteor refers to the light phenomena of the meteoroid while traversing through our atmosphere, and the object itself remains a meteoroid until it strikes the Earth or whatever other astronomical body it intercepts. Then it is referred to a meteorite. Note also the term micro-meteorites. Sometimes these terms are used incorrectly (and sloppily) in a popular, or non-technical sense, usually by the layman (or the news media). I don't think anyone has or will ever be burned at the stake for referring to a meteoroid as a meteor, unless they are of course one of my former students (joke)! But this is the way I have always seen these terms used when used correctly. This is the way I learned it as a student who received a degree in Astronomy from U.C.L.A. and who studied under one of the world's most respected meteoriticists, Dr. Frederick C.Leonard, who by the way was one of the founders of the Meteoritical Society. (Dr. Leonard was the first Editor of Meteoritics: the Journal of the Meteoritical Society. And, he was a perfectionist with the English Language.) I recall a number of discussions in class over these definitions, such as what would we call it if we were carrying a basket, and the meteoroid were to land in the basket, rather than hitting the Earth. Dr. Leonard, would it still be a meteoroid? (He would respond by clearing his throat with a faint growl, and ignore our question. But we knew he was fond of us!) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Hi Walter and all, This may be the acceptable nomenclature METEOR (mt-r) 1. A bright trail or streak of light that appears in the night sky when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere. The friction with the air causes the rock to glow with heat. Also called shooting star. 2. A rocky body that produces such light. Most meteors burn up before reaching the Earth's surface. See Note at solar system. Usage The streaks of light we sometimes see in the night sky and call meteors were not identified as interplanetary rocks until the 19th century. Before then, the streaks of light were considered only one of a variety of atmospheric phenomena, all of which bore the name meteor. Rain was an aqueous meteor, winds and storms were airy meteors, and streaks of light in the sky were fiery meteors. This general use of meteor survives in our word meteorology, the study of the weather and atmospheric phenomena. Nowadays, astronomers use any of three words for rocks from interplanetary space, depending on their stage of descent to the Earth. A meteoroid is a rock in space that has the potential to collide with the Earth's atmosphere. Meteoroids range in size from a speck of dust to a chunk about 100 meters in diameter, though most are smaller than a pebble. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, it becomes a meteor. The light that it gives off when heated by friction with the atmosphere is also called a meteor. If the rock is not obliterated by the friction and lands on the ground, it is called a meteorite. For this term, scientists borrowed the -ite suffix used in the names of minerals like malachite and pyrite. The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Sent: Jan 15, 2011 3:13 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Hello Everyone, The term meteor refers to the light phenomenon as an object from space enters the Earth's atmosphere. What is the proper term for the object itself? A meteoroid is an object in space. Is it still called a meteoroid when it enters the Earth's atmosphere? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing
Re: [meteorite-list] Where will be the next meteorite fall???
Alexander Seidel wrote it will *definitely* happen on New Years Eve, at approximately 00:42:42 [hh:mm:ss] UTC, right over (..well, admitted, approximately..) latitude 27deg 32min 42sec N of the equator and longitude 33deg 04min 42sec W of Greenwich, which unfortunately happens to be right over the Atlantic Ocean (...depth of sea unknown at this location to me, unfortunately). * The depth is -16,708 ft. and note not terribly far away is the Great Meteor Tablemount which is about -11000 ft. (below sea level) give or take a few hundred here and there. Bit of a flight from the Azores, but no place to land. Better to take a boat, maybe one of those rubber liferafts to save cost. Drop a rare-earth magnet at the end of a long fishing line and troll the bottom! But hurry. If it is an iron it will rust quickly! - Original Message - From: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net To: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Where will be the next meteorite fall??? Alan, Matthias, it will *definitely* happen on New Years Eve, at approximately 00:42:42 [hh:mm:ss] UTC, right over (..well, admitted, approximately..) latitude 27deg 32min 42sec N of the equator and longitude 33deg 04min 42sec W of Greenwich, which unfortunately happens to be right over the Atlantic Ocean (...depth of sea unknown at this location to me, unfortunately). Well, I admit that is what Rudolph told me one of these last days, and I always believed in his driving and foreseeing abilities! I can´t watch it, so I won´t watch it, because of other activities at my home right at that time, but may be someone else would kindly take care for that thing, and report thereafter... Have a Good and Happy New Year! Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:05:34 +0100 Von: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de An: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Where will be the next meteorite fall??? Hello Shawn, list - my guess is: right in my garden, exactly at the birthday of my son. Why? Because he seems to go parellel with meteorites. He was born at just the same day when Chela fell in Tanzania. Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Where will be the next meteorite fall??? Hello Listers, Been quite today on the list, I wonder if people are snowed in? I sure am in NYC, the snow out here is badish, but it gives for a good time to stay in and watch movies. Now the question, I an wondering what people are thinking where the next meteorite fall will be and when :) . I hope the next fall will be soon and somewhere in Colorado. I have friends out there and they have cars :) We need some excitment. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about lost shipment and what to do.
Example: Once I purchased a pricy slice of NWA 482 and asked Mike Farmer to send it overnight express, and two weeks later it had not arrived. I just happened to be at the postoffice talking to the manager in the back where stuff comes in when a bag of parcel post packages arrived. Right on top was my express package! So there is hope! Often I find when a package fails to arrive on time it is misdirected to a wrong zipcode thousands of miles away, but it eventually gets delivered, usually after a delay of a couple of weeks. Ron - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about lost shipment and what to do. Aloha Mike, Sorry to hear about your package going AWOL, but as everyone has already mentioned, there is hope that it will eventually arrive at its destination. FWIW, despite everyone's grim perspective of the USPS, I have found their service to be exemplary, especially when compared to UPS who gouge us in Hawaii and lose or damage packages on a seemingly regular basis. Gotta also remember that its the busiest season of the year for the post office, who are operating under a constrained budget with less staffing than in years past. Good luck getting your package to its destination Mike! gary On Dec 21, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Mike Miller wrote: Hi all, I shipped a priority flat rate box on Dec 6th and it was scanned and left the Las Vegas sort facility on the same evening. Now ever since it has just said it was in transit to its destination. I did use a signature confirmation. The bad news is it is a meteorite that I sold for several thousand dollars...I know but it is too late to register and insure the package. I am hoping there is some one who investigates something like this because I don't think the item was lost it was in a flat rate box, hard to miss that lying on the floor. So if it is gone then I am guessing someone has stolen it. Input would be helpfuland I guess the moral of the story is shipped expensive items insured and registered, they can go missig even from state to state. -- Mike Miller 3835 E Nicole Ave Kingman Az 86409 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-757-1378 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weston on e-bay another LISTING report themtoeBay.
I received the following two separate replies from the seller: I have had 18 emails about the meteorites. I will pull the autcions and reimburse the winners. It was a misunderstanding on my part, as I believed them to be Weston Meteorites. Yes, it appears you are correct. I have been made aware of this many times over, and am taking appropriate action to ensure the buyers are reimbursed if they have paid and to keep them from paying if they have not. The documentation I had was flawed obviously. David Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Confirmed details and graphic -- a jet contrail
Plane identified as being exactly in the path of the contrail at the exact time and correct altitude. Coming from Hawaii and passing over Catalina Island on way to Phoenix. Exact match and all details explained. See the explanation: http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-los-angeles/missile-launch-over-southern-california-explained and details of the plane's flight and flight path graphic. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX. Google search: southerncaliforniaweatherauthority Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: George Blahun k...@att.net To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net Cc: cspr...@islandnet.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail After reserving judgement I find myself in the probably aircraft camp. What I find somewhat unsettling is after a couple days of wondering, the FAA, the military and the government aren't able to say with certainty what it was. This isn't an illegal alien slipping across the border, it's a big contrail leaving craft. If it can leave a contrail, there should be a record of it. I suppose it could have been a black project, but even then I'd expect a cover story which was definitive. George __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Secret BLM maps ?
There are regions in the California Coastal Mountains that I have studied as a student in Ed Krupps Archaeoastronomy courses. They are at several thousand feet and some locations look down onto the central valley. There are many caves that have meaningful Chumash Indian paintings. Although there are no public maps, if you come within 50 or so feet of a protected historic site there are warning signs that you are in such an area and not to touch anything if you happen to come upon such. These are regions that are only accessible by gated and very treacherous fire roads and you really don't want to drive a passenger car along one. But very interesting. We went into a number of caves and Dr. Krupp explained many their calendar markings and astronomical events they had calculated and shown on cave walls. Here is a link to a map you are allowed to use to find one cave with cave paintings: http://www.sbnature.org/research/anthro/chumash/pcmap.htm Marking the entrance of the caves are huge bushel-basket sized meteorites! (Just kidding about that!) No meteorites :=) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Thomas tmor...@mind.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret BLM maps ? Last week I was walking along a dry lake bed and looked up to see the inevitable white truck parked next to mine. I walked back and had a nice talk with a BLM officer. He was concerned that we were picking up artifacts, which we were not. My wife mentioned that we were going to look for some petroglyphs and asked him about the roads in that area. No Mam, he says. We can't tell you anything about locations. In fact there are many more petroglyphs and over a hundred caves that are not on your maps and we can't tell you anything about. Which makes me think that these locations must be a matter of record somewhere. Does the BLM have secret maps not available to the public? Thomas M Petroglyph pictures if anyone's interested : http://www.photoblog.com/GreyDX/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] anyone know Steven Curry?
Hello Ken and all: meteorist? Perhaps re: the gentleman in question who refers to himself thusly, the following may be as appropriate? meteorism Definition from Wiktionary, the free dictionary Jump to: navigation, search [edit] English [edit] Noun meteorism (plural meteorisms) 1.. A rapid accumulation of gas in the intestine. Meteorism is typically a sign of bowel necrosis from bacterial infection, a life-threatening surgical emergency, and is usually caused by the consumption of large quantities of undercooked pork. - Original Message - - Original Message - From: Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com To: Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] anyone know Steven Curry? Don, Both are highly inaccurate. I see my comment criticizing the station's research and Curry was erased. Well, here is more in Mr. Curry's own words: http://tinyurl.com/2dmtqlk Best, ken On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com wrote: Which is worse, the claims or the journalism? DG http://www.kjct8.com/news/25571622/detail.html GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. -- Steven Curry, a meteorite researcher who lives southeast of Montrose, claims to have found the first lunar meteorites in North America. But it's what's inside these meteorites that he says will change life as we know it. Curry has research sites all over the country but he's found lunar rocks right here on the Western Slope. He says he's made some life changing discoveries. We've all thought about the existence of life on other planets, now curry believes he has the evidence to back it up. After magnifying the images, he says he's found outlines of crustaceans, snails and sea worms inside his meteors. I have in my hands something astrobiologists and astrophysicists have been looking for for a long time, and that's the existence of extraterrestrial life, says Curry. He's only been searching for meteors for about a year and a half, but says he's already accumulated over 100 of them. If you want to check out his meteorites for yourself, Curry will be at the Montrose Library on November 8th, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm displaying his work. He's planning on showing a slideshow and providing other fun events to educate people on his discoveries. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites?
Yes, indeed! Bob Haag had a mortar and pestle in which he pulverized crumbs of NWA 482 (I believe, but if not it was another Lunar) into powder. He would have guests to his vault (which was larger than most houses) put a finger into the mortar and then lick off a bit of dust. I think I much preferred other seasonings as it was remarkably tasteless. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites? Gosh, there're a batch of NWA OCs in my collection that might taste good, but, I've never thought about it beforeis this a challenge to resurrect the Deli-meats breccia question? - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone here eaten meteorites? Hi, Crazy question.. Has anyone on the list ever (purposely) ingested bits of meteoritic material? How did it taste? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
So regarding the article, in essence this interpretation is saying that if you have a lease on land at which time a meteorite lands on it, you have legal rights to it. But you must have the lease, not be wandering down a public road or across a school yard, or even being on a dry lake or the open desert. Yes?? Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite? I found this interesting. I apologize if it has already been posted. Greg S. http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202446510671Who_owns_the_meteoriteslreturn=1hbxlogin=1loginloop=o Who owns the meteorite? In the dispute over the one that landed in a Lorton, Va., medical office earlier this year, the tenants should win. Andrea J. Boyack March 22, 2010 On Jan. 18 at 5:45 p.m., a meteorite crashed through the ceiling of a medical office in Lorton, Va. It damaged the building and interior finishings but hurt no one. The meteorite's fall from space is over, but the earthly battle over its ownership has just begun. This, in a circumstance of pure kismet, was a mere 90 minutes after I had wrapped up a lesson in my property law course discussing meteorite ownership disputes, among other things. It's evident that ownership is tied to the landowner, asserted one of the landlords. The tenant doctors, by publicizing their intent to donate the meteorite to the Smithsonian and any proceeds to Haitian earthquake relief, have likely won the public relations battle in the court of public opinion. But who should win title in a court of law? Centuries-old common law allocates original ownership of unowned things based on first possession. First possession by a person, illustrated by the ubiquitous case of Pierson v. Post, 3 Cai. R. 175 (N.Y. 1805), holds that ownership to an unowned wild thing vests in the hunter at the moment of actual possession (capture), at least if such capture occurs on unpossessed land. The ownership analysis becomes more complicated when capture occurs on private property, because allocation of ownership then turns on whether actual possession vests the captor with ownership or whether the thing is ineligible for capture because its mere presence on the land has made it constructively possessed by the landowner. Constructive-possession analysis is not required in cases involving trespass: The law clearly prohibits trespassers from claiming ownership through capture. The asserted rule that a meteorite is property of the landowner actually comes from Oregon Iron Co. v. Hughes, 81 P. 572 (Ore. 1905), a case in which the other title claimant was a trespassing meteorite-hunter. The rule in that case is unsurprising, but irrelevant here: The Lorton doctors lawfully possess the premises where they found the meteorite. The law finds constructive possession by a landowner of previously unowned objects appearing on his land in three types of ways. First, we define real property to include all natural objects growing out of or under the land. Second, the doctrine of ratione soli (by reason of the soil) establishes a landowner's first-in-time claim for some situate natural objects (e.g., beehives, beavers and nesting birds) which are deemed possessed by the land itself. Third, under the doctrine of fixtures, if a once-movable object becomes attached to realty to such an extent that it becomes physically a part of it, then such object ceases to be separately owned personalty and becomes a part of the real estate to which it is affixed. The doctrine of fixtures sometimes appears in landlord-tenant disputes because a tenant may not remove or transfer title to a fixture without the landlord's consent. Is a meteorite adequately attached to the real property so as to be part of the soil or a fixture? In one case, Goddard v. Winchell, 52 N.W. 1124 (Iowa 1892), the court said yes. In that case, an ownership dispute arose after a large meteorite fell onto prairie land in Forest City, Iowa, embedding itself three feet into the ground. The grass rights tenant sold the meteorite to a collector, and the landlord claimed title. The court held that, since the meteorite in question had been found below the surface of the ground, it had in effect become part of the realty. And since fixtures cannot be removed unilaterally by tenants, ownership of the meteorite was awarded to the landlord. The court reasoned, It was not a movable thing 'on the ground.' It was in the earth, and in a very significant sense, immovable. Although the Forest City meteorite was embedded in the soil, the Lorton meteorite was not affixed to the realty in any way. Even if a court found that the property owner should always have constructive possession of meteorites on its land, this does not end the title inquiry here. The concept
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question
Good morning all: In reference to all the posts and interests regarding Gebel Kamio, it is my understanding that only 20 kilo of Gebel Kamil was approved for removal from the crater for scientific purposes by the research team that explored the crater, and that a quantity was later removed by an unauthorized person who illegally removed meteorites without the Egyptian government's permission, and that no export documents were ever approved for any others by the government. If this is true, then I would like to think no reputable dealer who was aware of this would ethically want to buy and sell this material, (I should like to believe so!). Are these facts indeed true or has something changed that I have not heard about?? I see Gebel Kamil saturating Ebay and I'm wondering whether the Egyptian government is now permitting collecting or whether additional material is now being allowed out, and what about export papers? Having spent some time in Egypt I know that because of the countries rich abundance of historical artifacts of all kinds including things that can sometimes be found just by kicking the sand, the government has a blanket policy regarding anything that one may want to remove from the country, and the policy is NO, whether specifics are stated or not. Maybe some dealer has traded some of his exotic meteorites or a camel or two for a bucket full of GK. I don't know. May we have a discussion here? I think some clarification and update would be of interest. Someone know something?? Thank You, Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Hello Martin, Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box sizes with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm which will handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a roundish 12 pound Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and it fell off the top shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list recommended max. sizes for objects inside the box, but you can push that number if your specimen is for display and not a fragile object for transportation, which need the shock absorbing engineering of the stretched membrane. The clear membrane suspends the specimen inside the box and you can look at it from both front and back at the same time. Our business website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of boxes) at www.membranebox.com Ron Hartman membrane...@earthlink.net rhartma...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: martin goff msgmeteori...@googlemail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an order that size!! Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a suitable solution! Cheers Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The storm and Lucerne Dry Lake
Sonny: You may not realize how very lucky you probably were. Most of the tme these are dry lakes, but they become real lakes very quickly. They are there because they are the low points of a basin, and very quickly collect all the runoff water from the surrounding areas. The Old Barstow Road (through the center of Lucerne Dry Lake) and the Old Woman Springs Road from the town of Lucerne Valley (hwy 247) (which it intersects with South of the lake, and which then continues to the East and up to Big Bear, was under 7 feet of water today as the storm came through, but apparently both are open again. I have seen that only once, in August, 1963 we went out to LDL right after a storm. The Barstow road dips to a low point midway across LDL and there is no drainage. It was impassable. It was interesting that as the water dissipated on the dl that it left washtub size pools a foot or so deep.Little crab-like creatures were swimming around (about an inch long). I understand these may become dormant when things dry out and then come to life when puddles reform. This must not be very often. Wonder what one might find now. Warning: Small children should stay away from the large cracks in the dl. This is the time that there is a lot of underground water draining away and the dry lake surface can cave in quite readily. This is also the time that buried meteorites wash out onto the surface, (Look a bit higher than the very low points on the dl.) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] SouthWest Dry Lake Bed Thunderstorm pictures Hi All, I added a few pictures from one of my recent hunting trips on my web page. Thanks, Sonny P.S. I am still looking for that first USA lunar in Nevada! ; ) http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Thunderstorm_over_a_Southwest_Dry_lakebed.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo + Some Oxide Ones (Was: HelloEveryone)
...and when you hit a piece with a hammer it will shatter where an actual nickel-iron meteorite will bounce and laugh at you! The meteorite oxide, fondly referred to as oxidite was at one time a true meteorite but the iron has oxidized and become terrestrialized, i.e. some of the original atoms are present, but many have changed due to oxidation. - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo + Some Oxide Ones (Was: HelloEveryone) Hello Jesse and List, Jesse wrote: Canyon Diablo + some Oxide ones. Still can't seem to figure what oxide means tho? total is 20.8g What you are talking about is probably magnetic iron shale, which used to be found (and collected) in huge quantities around the crater. They are usually shapeless, rather flat or highly angular pieces of oxidized iron and display desert varnish on one or both sides. Best wishes and welcome aboard, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Meteorite hunt in Nevada end of June 1st of July
How did you get them classified so rapidly? Are these data available somewhere? - Original Message - From: onther...@usairborne.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] My Meteorite hunt in Nevada end of June 1st of July Hi Meteorite gang, I'm new to the list fairly new to meteorite hunting. Last winter in So Cal deserts my wife I found a few in our spare time while we roamed to desert in our 4x4 side by side. I haven't done much hunting since then. I make my living teaching folks to fly light sport aircraft, paragliding Paramotoring and import one of the best microlights from the land down under. I also do documentary films . Monday June 21st I was working in the office doing e-mails and the meteorite men were on Sci channel. Well, I spent all day watching the adventures of Steve Jeff and I was totally blown away, all I wanted to do was go hunt find some more space rocks. I ordered up some 1 inch x 1 inch magnets on e-bay the very next day. Then I found a nice deal on a new X terra 70 by minelab. By that next weekend I found myself with 6 days off around the end of June 1st of July. I let my wife know I had to head out to Nevada to go hunt meteorites. By the way my wife thinks I lost my mind but she backs me in every thing I do in life. She wanted to go with me but had to stay home with the bird, dog and Airpark. I had done my research for meteorite hunting locations and I was wanting to go down south on a few remote dry lake beds in Nevada. I also had some help from a very nice meteorite hunter out of Southern Idaho, John Harrison on a new location that I wanted to find. With a few good locations to check out, I decided to go for it by myself. I took off the lance camper we use on our Dodge 4x4 for airshows because I would be driving out on some unknown lakebeds and did not want the extra wt of the camper to possibly get me stuck in soft sandy soil. I packed my bags and loaded up my truck with all the goodies I needed for 5 to 6 day road trip. I headed out on the long 750 mile drive southeast. Our airpark the Eagles Nest is in the southeastern corner of WA, State and I had to drive through Idaho and 1/2 of Nevada to get to location #1. On my way through southern Idaho I stopped into see my new Meteorite friend John and he gave me 4 throw downs to use as a guide at location 1. I made it just at dark and drove onto the lake bed looking for my starting point. I hit some real soft soil and was sinking so I had to ram it into 4x4 to stay moving. I was really in the middle of nowhere and did not want to get stuck out here, so I kept my speeds near 40 mph to stay on top of the soft soil. All of a sudden I hit hard pan soil and I hit the brakes hard stopping in a skid before getting into more soft stuff again. Lucky that I didn't bring the camper or I would have been big stuck, big time. The next A.M. I was at it early. It was Monday the 28th of June, 1 week from the time I had watched the Meteorite marathon show with Jeff Steve, the 21st of June. By noon I had over 25 meteorites and a few meteor wrongs. My biggest was a 194 1/2 gram rock. I was totally excited. The noon heat was kicking in so I rested under my truck in the shade and breeze. About 3 o'clock I headed out and hunted till sunset. The clouds were building and virga was falling from the bottoms, with rays of sun coming through them. Wow, what a sunset it was. I felt alive with excitement and could barely sleep. The next day I was up at 5 A.M. and hunting again by 5:30. The winds were blowing up dust and the clouds looked like pending rain. I hunted hard till about noon. By then the blowing dust and possible rain had me packing up my gear and getting ready to run off the lake bed before it rained. I counted my space booty and had 99 meteorites and some meter wrongs. Mother nature was in charge here and I formed my next plan to drive all afternoon 280 plus miles to my hunting location 2. I was hoping the weather was better over there. The drive was windy and every dry lake bed I saw along my route was a rage of dust. I stopped in a old NV mining town and had a few Whisky 7 with the local boys before heading into the huge # 2 lake bed location. I got there just at dark and found this lake bed was all hard pan and not the soft broken up stuff I had just left. This was one huge mother. I woke up early at 5:30 and drove to the northern end of the massive lake bed. I hunted the shores by truck as I drove to where I wanted to start my hunt by foot. I was getting a lot of Meteor wrongs or stuff I felt was not what I wanted so the good stuff went into my left cargo pocket and the other went into my right side. Well my meteor wrong side filled up much faster then the other side. I hunted for 14 hrs that day and really wore my butt down. I had a huge pile of rocks (Meteor wrongs) 4 that I felt for sure were meteorites. I packed up my gear at dark driving
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Diamonds from Meteor Crater on eBay
This seller should be reported to eBay. This is a first-class fraud. I did write him and gave him the scoop on the off-chance he is just dumb!. Maybe everyone else here should as well. Ron - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Diamonds from Meteor Crater on eBay Hi List, #1, I wonder if the bidders have any idea that these are NOT meteorite diamonds. Well, obviously not or they wouldn't be bidding. #2, even if they are as described, if they were gathered any time recently, it was done so illegally. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Diamonds-Meteor-Crater-Area-10ct-clear-rose-/270601740592 Buyer beware. MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Last Night I sold My 25, 000 Meteorite Specimen!
It won't be long before we can account for most of the 25,000! :=) Not that this means much in the scheme of thingsbut as far as my business goes it is pretty amazing. Last night my ebay auctions concluded for the week and I sold my 25,000th meteorite. I keep fairly accurate records and the number of 25,000 is for meteorite specimens that have a collection card with them. Some other interesting tidbits... I started selling in 1997. I was the third person to start selling meteorites on ebay. I have never had a personal website (Unless you count my ebay store). Now, my question is WHERE ARE ALL THOSE SPECIMENS NOW? Best Wishes Michael _ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Here is a donation! Wisconsin School display donations and offerings
Hello Michael, Absolutely disgusting! www.membranebox.com will donate $100.00 even though I am not one of the hunters and we will donate an appopriately sized membrane box for any specimen obtained. I was born in Milwaukee so this can be a contribution to the local region's schools from me. I would have thought that one of the local landowners woudl have donated one of the pieces found on their land. Ron Hartman (Payment to follow by Paypal) - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin School display donations andofferings Hi All, Well, it is disappointing, but only about 5 or 6 people have Donated and the total is around about $150 - certainly not enough To do anything with when the specimens are $100/g. I guess we MIGHT find ONE small stone, so at least they could have ONE. Then there is the total lack of anyone offering to sell us even One stone - even at full price. Zero, nada, zilch. So, if y'all wanna do this yo goin ta hafta come up with at least one stone offered for sale to us (even at full price) and it wouldn't hurt to have some more donations come in. If NO ONE comes up with offering us a small stone - even at Full price, I will PayPal back a full refund to the few who have donated. Sadly, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.15010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.15010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: etching with radio shack etchant
I was just browsing through some of the posts on Joes Skyrockcafe website when I ran across a post from a collector who was unhappy with the Radio Shack etchant for iron meteorites. He claims to have sanded a Campo down to #400 but could not get a Widmanstatten pattern, although he did get a beautiful pattern using the traditional Nitric method. My son, Jim, and I posted an article in the November 2002 issue of the Meteorite Times about preparing and etching irons using Ferric Chloride (which is the same material as used in the Radio Shack etchant). The method has been used widely since that time with outstanding success by many and with superior results, so there is now an undisputed 8 year positive history. Etches show more contrast and subtle details come out more readily, and fears of ferric chloride use have been put to rest as the specimens are not rusting and crumbling. In fact, they do just as well if not better than when etched with nitric. (But that is a topic for another day.) I think the problem of the person in posting his negative experience was that after grinding down to a #400 grit that he did not then polish out the surface. Unlike preparing an iron to etch with nitric acid, the surface wants to have a highly reflective mirror-like surface before etching. As we say in the article, however, every meteorite is different and can react differently to different circumstances, so he may have just had an unusual, but uncommon, experience. He may have a very different experience with a different Campo. (I have many Ferric-etched slices of Campos in my personal collection and they are all doing well.) Ron Hartman E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lucerne Dry Lake
http://www.meteorite1.com/lweb.htm No. It is open to collecting (persumably minerals) but all vehicles are now legally prohibited from driving on the dry lake. Don't know whether you would be chased off or whether it is being patrolled, but if you attempt an overnight camp be aware of flash floods (even in July and August) or you could be swimming when you awake in the morning. Parts of the dry lake become very wet, even become rather sizeable lakes. This is a catch basin for the adjacent desert area. See my link above. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucerne Dry Lake Okay...I'm trying to find out some info about Lucerne Dry Lake in Southern California near Barstow. Can anyone tell me if you are allowed to or able to drive a camping trailer onto the dry lake for camping purposes? Also do people pitch tents there without getting chased off. I'm not all that familiar with that area and trying to get a feel for things before making any decisions. Thanks. George Zay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14690 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14700 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest
I'm showing some of the episodes to my college Astronomy classes as an introduction to meteoritics before I lug out the specimens to pass around so they can touch and examine in detail. I think showing the process of exploration and recovery is excellent. . Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest Dear Listees: Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch Meteorite Men, but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. Meteorite Men is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the UK, so hopefully some of my friends from back home will get a chance to catch it. Listings: http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from vacation!) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: The Sniper Mentality
From time to time I have put our micro membrane boxes as well as larger boxes on ebay, beginning at a minimum bid. Without exception they are always bid right up to the list price on our website www.membranebox.com. I seem not to be able to give any special auction deals! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: linton...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: The Sniper Mentality Years ago when I was still selling on Ebay, I had an interesting insight in the sniper mentality. The auction was for a Tatahouine, about 4-5 grams, very nice but not exceptional. With minutes to go, two guys got into a sniping war, I don't know if they were using a software or sitting in front of their computers but the batlle raged with bids coming in every couple seconds. And when it was over, the winner had just paid triple what a similar Tatahouine was priced at on my website. I admit that I had a good laugh on that!. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/18/2010 1:34:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time, linton...@earthlink.net writes: Yeah Mike, that's nice. But more often than not, ebay tells me the item went for $1 over my max. I don't particularly like the tactic of sniping, but hey... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Linton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14580 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14590 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question
their claim was for specific minerals, of which a meteorite isn't included There were four claims registered and they were named after four planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and Venus. A map that I saw showed the center of the claims located at the center of the crater. The plan was always to mine for iron, the iron being the meteorite, and this was understood at the time the claims were granted. A limited amount of iron and oxidite (the so-called iron shale) was found inside the crater, including some subsurface pieces brought up from drilling, but apparently nothing substantial. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com; Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question And in the eyes of the law, a mining claim is a property right, which can be bought, sold, used as collateral, etc. So on one hand, they are the property owners. But a good counter argument is that their claim was for specific minerals, of which a meteorite isn't included. But the whole incident surrounding Sue was a miscarriage of justice. Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:27:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Hi Greg and all, Not a silly question if you like fish! Seriously, the minors who had a legal claim where the Old Woman was found had their meteorite taken from them. I don't know off hand if there are any other records out there of anyone else having this happen. Sue the dinosaur was taken from the finders after they went to the trouble of digging her up and had went through the proper channels. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s) to the Smithsonian? Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:13:38 -0600 CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...whathappened toethics?? No, But you will have to send half of the fish, if you catch any, to the Smithsonian... Sterling Webb -- - Original Message - From: To: Martin Altmann Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...whathappened toethics?? Hi Martin and all, Next thing you know they will be putting a stop to fishing in this country. --AL Mitterling Quoting Martin Altmann : No, where did I? Jason. I like history. I like the Bulletins, I like modern natural science. I love meteorites. And, yes, I like my profession too, a profession, nobody has to be ashamed of. These are the four reasons, why I can't keep mum these years. Because I simply can't understand: Aren't they seeing, what they are doing? If only a single one could explain me, which the positive effects of the restrictive laws are or were in Australia, in Canada, in China, in Oman, in Algeria, in Argentina, in the Philippines, in Denmark, in Sudan, in Libya, in Namibia, in South Africa (?), now in USA, in Poland, in Russia (?), in Switzerland.. then I promise to be much quieter. Perhaps you can help me with that? So far I see only, that they risk all. Thank you Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jason Utas [mailto:meteorite...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2010 01:05 An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened toethics?? So, what you're saying, Martin, is that you advocate hunters lying about where they find meteorites so that they can keep them. Because that was his question. ...Interesting. Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day.....
John Blennart wrote: It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be illegal on all government lands - yes even BLM! This has always been the case. You must obtain permission from the land owner. Some desert area are a mix of BLM, state, county and/or city and private land; such is the case with Lucerne Dry Lake, and the last I heard it was open for collecting, although I'm not sure whether that meant only minerals or included meteorites as well, or whether anyone really cares! I have heard on authority though that vehicles of any and all kind are now prohibited ON the surface of LDL and I would guess that would extend to other Dry Lakes (at least California). Well, just look at how hunters have abused the land hunting meteorites. Its been an absolute atrocity with large caravans and off-road vehicles. I think there need to be something in place so meteorites can be responsibly hunted and found to add to the scientific base and educational needs, but there aren't any more Niningers around (Well, perhaps a couple!) , and researchers certainly won't do any of it, but I suggest that there be controls so strewnfields won't be overrun by masses of irresponsible collectors. (I'm not referring to names we know; there are a lot of people with names we don't know, who are not members of any organizations or groups, who have no real interest in or appreciation for meteorites, and whose motives are only to dig up the countryside for gaining a profit out there hunting.) It was mentioned to me awhile ago by one of our more respected and responsible collectors that he had visited a little-known out-of-the-way dry lake in Nevada and found tire tracks across every square foot that had been criss-crossed by some off road vehicle. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day. Hi all, John Blennart just sent me this email. It seems that meteorite Hunting (from now on) will be illegal on all government lands - yes even BLM! No more Dry lake Beds, Franconia, Gold Basin, Holbrook, Glorieta, etc. (Unless of course you find private land and get permission) Check it out here. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php It is a sad day. Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14510 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Who is Dr. LaPaz
- Original Message - From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Who is Dr. LaPaz Hello Shawn, I would think it might go for about $16,000, (based on what I see smaller pieces are selling for) but only because there isn't any to speak of on the market. There's plenty of it locked up in the U of NMex archives. I wouldn't necessarily say museum quality, only larger, and scientific institutions can always cnegotiate with U of NMex if they want some. The only source I see is on Mike Farmer's website. He has some very nice pieces for sale. Ron - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: rhartma...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list]Who is Dr. LaPaz Ron and Listers, Ron that is a great account you had with Dr LaPaz and the Norton County meteorite. I don't know what I would have done, but to be able to witness something of that nature by Dr LaPaz is something in its self and glad you were able to share your experience with other meteorite enthusiasts and collectors on the List. Thank you for that and also would like to thank the others that had offered up links and information on Dr. LaPaz. Now I have another question that pertains to the Norton County meteorite. From what I can tell NC fragments being sold on eBay range in the size of .2g and that is being generous with that statement. On the other hand I see some dealers that have some fragments at about 30g or less. I have read that majority if not all the NC large meteorite fragments are with New Mexico University and on the open market the sizes of NC meteorite are small. I wonder how much a 320g NC meteorite fragment would go for on the open market? In my eyes a fragment at that size would be Museum quality. Would it be best to be sold to the highest bidder or sold to scientific institutions? And if this 320g NC meteorite fragments chain of custody came from Dr. LaPaz private collection that wasn't sold off to NMU I wonder if that would add more value to the meteorite. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Fw: Who is Dr. LaPaz R N Hartman rhartman04 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 3 01:41:02 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Sahara 98505 Ureilite need Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad : Stony Iron Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net To: sciencegraphics at msn.com CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 01:11:00 -0800 Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County Meteorite when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. Not another museum head, but, rather, Dr. Frederick C. Leonard. BTW: Richard and I visited LaPaz at the U of New Mexico , probably 1963 or about, and he showed us the main mass of Norton County, which resided under a plastic hemisphere to protect it from visitors. He proudly opened drawers containing probably hundreds of small pieces, some of rather substantial size, and a cardboard box of about a cubic foot filled with very little pieces, a cm. or so each in volume. He picked one out and held it between his fingers, Naturally we were drooling over the possibility of him giving each of us one of these little souvenirs. Instead, he pulverized it and let the dust fall to the floor, stating Notice how friable this is! We were told that Lincoln has his eccentricities! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Dorothy Norton To: rhartman04 at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz From: darryl at dof3.com To: almitt at kconline.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:53:00 -0500 CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; photophlow at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz While his contributions were many, I understand LaPaz's egotistical, toxic personality is well documented---including his enmity for Nininger. Best/ Darryl On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:57 AM, al mitt wrote: Hi Shawn and all, I am sure that some people will disagree with my assessment of LaPaz, but he organized the collection at the UNM in Albuquerque, New Mexico and seem to want to discredit Dr. Nininger every chance he got. While he did contribute some to the understanding of meteorites he was no giant in the field and didn't contribute as much as Nininger was by any means. A lot of his fame is the Norton County Meteorite that he outbid Nininger on. Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County Meteorite when LaPaz and another museum
[meteorite-list] Fw: Who is Dr. LaPaz
From: rhartma...@earthlink.net To: sciencegraph...@msn.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 01:11:00 -0800 Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County Meteorite when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. Not another museum head, but, rather, Dr. Frederick C. Leonard. BTW: Richard and I visited LaPaz at the U of New Mexico , probably 1963 or about, and he showed us the main mass of Norton County, which resided under a plastic hemisphere to protect it from visitors. He proudly opened drawers containing probably hundreds of small pieces, some of rather substantial size, and a cardboard box of about a cubic foot filled with very little pieces, a cm. or so each in volume. He picked one out and held it between his fingers, Naturally we were drooling over the possibility of him giving each of us one of these little souvenirs. Instead, he pulverized it and let the dust fall to the floor, stating Notice how friable this is! We were told that Lincoln has his eccentricities! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Dorothy Norton To: rhartma...@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz From: dar...@dof3.com To: alm...@kconline.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:53:00 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz While his contributions were many, I understand LaPaz's egotistical, toxic personality is well documented---including his enmity for Nininger. Best/ Darryl On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:57 AM, al mitt wrote: Hi Shawn and all, I am sure that some people will disagree with my assessment of LaPaz, but he organized the collection at the UNM in Albuquerque, New Mexico and seem to want to discredit Dr. Nininger every chance he got. While he did contribute some to the understanding of meteorites he was no giant in the field and didn't contribute as much as Nininger was by any means. A lot of his fame is the Norton County Meteorite that he outbid Nininger on. Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County Meteorite when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. My understanding that Nininger used some of LaPaz's information to triangulate the fall but it takes more than one set of observations for this. He help organize the Meteortic's Society with Nininger but later tried to get Dr. Nininger thrown out of the society. I believe that Nininger resigned. He did spend a great deal of time trying to make Nininger look bad. The two were obvious rivials but not in a healthy sense. Probably because Harvey Nininger was making his living finding and selling meteorites in order to fund his hunts and research. BTW Harvey made attempts to get the scientists and museums of that time to fund his program in order to add to their collections but no one thought it would work except Farrington. Farrington was older and had health problems but wished he could help in Nininger's pursuit. LaPaz was also a hypocrite who frowned on anyone collecting meteorites but after his death a sizeable collection was found in his basement, he was an obvious closet collector. While he didn't help Nininger out, I have always felt that he might have been one of Nininger's inspirations to keep going and not letting anyone get in his way. Same with no one wanting to give Nininger a grant or position at any of the main museums or scientific institutions of that time. It might have drove Nininger to work harder in order to get it done. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Who is Dr. LaPaz Hello Listers, Its been a crazy day in NYC today with the snow and slush but all has melted and I received a package in the mail today of a Norton County meteorite, weighing at 2.33g from Dr LaPaz collection. Within the package, I also received copies of news paper clippings From the Norton Daily Telegram, dated May 1, 1948 from the meteorite fall, and Dr LaPaz comes up in every article. In one of the clippings there is a photograph of him standing by the meteorite being lifted out of the ground. I haven't read anything about Dr LaPaz till a week ago and was wondering what significance had he had in the meteorite community? I also Wiki him and from what I saw on Wiki, Dr LaPaz was smart guy and got his PhD at a young age. Lastly, along with the meteorite specimens I also received a trinitite fragment weighing at 1.79g that he had collected from the Trinity project and was wondering if people on the list knew much about this stuff. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] 9.8 LB Stony Meteorite - NO RESERVE starting at $1
Where? - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 9.8 LB Stony Meteorite - NO RESERVE starting at $1 See here. http://shop.ebay.com/mr-meteorite/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Distribution of Canyon Diablo meteorites at Meteor (Barringer) Crater ???
Hello Paul, See Arizona's Meteor Crater by H H Nininger, American Meteorite Laboratory, Denver, Co. 1956; p. 26. He shows in a map S. J. Holsinger had made (1908) showing distribution of meteorite fragments that had been recovered. See also: Smithsonian Institution Contr. to Astrophysics, v. 2 No. 7 pp. 145-160: http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/Astrophysics/pdf_hi/SCAS-0009.pdf Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Paul Heinrich oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Distribution of Canyon Diablo meteorites at Meteor (Barringer) Crater ??? Dear Friends, Has anyone compiled and published a map showing how the various size fragments of Canyon Diablo meteorites were distributed by the impact around Meteor (Barringer) Crater in Arizona? If so, what has been inferred about the impact processes by the distribution of Canyon Diablo meteorites around it? Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
Hello McCartney (and all): Yes, the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a quick wash under running water. Follow with a rinse in distilled water if you want to but we never do and it works fine. You don;t have to neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST. In fact, I use running water to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if I need to etch one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a technique - just practice and you will do well. If yo are getting staining your washing is incomplete. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few specimens. How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch? I'm getting remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
Ferric is a deeper more contrasty etch than nitric and gives a more pleasing etch. It can be used as an alternative to a nitric etch. We use it all the time and it is the only etchant we use. And its easier to obtain and handle than nitric. See our article ETCHING IRON METEORITES (The Myth of Nitric Acid) in Meteorite Times, November, 2002: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/index.htm Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: mccart...@blackbearddata.com; MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride Hello McCartney (and all): Yes, the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a quick wash under running water. Follow with a rinse in distilled water if you want to but we never do and it works fine. You don;t have to neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST. In fact, I use running water to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if I need to etch one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a technique - just practice and you will do well. If yo are getting staining your washing is incomplete. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few specimens. How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch? I'm getting remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong. Any ideas? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another question for the Saw Wizards
There are different quality blades (quantity of diamonds per unit, in the blade), and also various rim configurations. Performance varies with brand also. I think the blade is wearing out when you are seeing less even cuts, unless something is wearing in the saw itself. As I have experienced it, the CBN blades are best and primarily for cutting irons. Ron - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another question for the Saw Wizards Hi Ron and List, I noticed that about the blade sanding it's way through the specimen. The first slices I made were the smoothest and the prettiest. Now, after many cuts, the blade is leaving more noticeable saw marks. The blade I am using is the stock/default blade that came with the saw, so I don't know how good it really is, quality-wise. I have another blade sold specifically to cut meteorites, it's the same thickness but the blade is brown-colored instead of reflective bare metal. It's also a CBN, which comes highly recommended. I wanted to practice with the stock blade before moving on to the CBN. I also have an extremely thin and floppy diamond blade called a laser dia-cut which I haven't used yet either. Best regards, MikeG On 6/30/09, R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net wrote: That because a Diamond blade (but not all!) with the very fine continuous diamond mesh does not cut, it sands. It sands its way right through your tough iron meteorite and if your saw is running smoothly it will give your slice a high polish as it finishes the cut. If you have some issues with the straightness of the blade or continuous feed, etc. you may get grooves, which is a sad problem! Ron Hartman Disclaimer: Use of this information, I am not responsible for lost fingers, noses or toes! - Original Message - From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another question for the Saw Wizards Last time I cut with a diamond blade it only would cut the nail and not the skin--wanna give it a try and see if thinner blades can cut skin? Mike they make a slab holder/jig which comes in few sizes that lets you cut down below 10mm or so. Once you clamp the stone in the jig you clamp it in your saw vice. $20-30 on ebay. Elton --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Listees and Stonecutters! After using my saw on several occasions now, I wanted to share a recent experience and ask a related question. While cutting a small unclassified NWA stone about the size of a walnut, my stepson showed up and started watching. It made him extremely nervous watching me handhold the small stone while I cut it. Apparently seeing my unprotected fingers a half-inch away from a spinning diamond blade was too much to bear. He is absolutely convinced I am going to cut a finger off. (Shows how much confidence he has in me!) LOL He asked why I don't use some kind of jig or holder that will hold the stone for me. I showed him my rock vise, which is made for use with this particular saw. But the vise is only good for larger stones, or elongated stones. It's not much good for holding very small acorn-sized or walnut-sized stones. So, I bravely go where no fingers should go. He asked what I would do if I cut off my finger, and I nonchalantly said I would drive myself to the nearest emergency room, wait my turn, get it sewed back on, and then go home with a big bandaged hand and type a one-handed email to the list about the episode. ;) So, my question is - how do you cut very small stones on a 6 lapidary saw? Do you hand hold them? Do you use some kind of jig? And how many digits do you still have on your hands? Honestly, I am not terribly worried about it. I am experienced with power tools and saws, so I'm not being reckless. But if there is something I can do to make my wife and family feel better about it, I'd do it. Best regards, 10-Fingered Mike (for now) -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another question for the Saw Wizards
That because a Diamond blade (but not all!) with the very fine continuous diamond mesh does not cut, it sands. It sands its way right through your tough iron meteorite and if your saw is running smoothly it will give your slice a high polish as it finishes the cut. If you have some issues with the straightness of the blade or continuous feed, etc. you may get grooves, which is a sad problem! Ron Hartman Disclaimer: Use of this information, I am not responsible for lost fingers, noses or toes! - Original Message - From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another question for the Saw Wizards Last time I cut with a diamond blade it only would cut the nail and not the skin--wanna give it a try and see if thinner blades can cut skin? Mike they make a slab holder/jig which comes in few sizes that lets you cut down below 10mm or so. Once you clamp the stone in the jig you clamp it in your saw vice. $20-30 on ebay. Elton --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Listees and Stonecutters! After using my saw on several occasions now, I wanted to share a recent experience and ask a related question. While cutting a small unclassified NWA stone about the size of a walnut, my stepson showed up and started watching. It made him extremely nervous watching me handhold the small stone while I cut it. Apparently seeing my unprotected fingers a half-inch away from a spinning diamond blade was too much to bear. He is absolutely convinced I am going to cut a finger off. (Shows how much confidence he has in me!) LOL He asked why I don't use some kind of jig or holder that will hold the stone for me. I showed him my rock vise, which is made for use with this particular saw. But the vise is only good for larger stones, or elongated stones. It's not much good for holding very small acorn-sized or walnut-sized stones. So, I bravely go where no fingers should go. He asked what I would do if I cut off my finger, and I nonchalantly said I would drive myself to the nearest emergency room, wait my turn, get it sewed back on, and then go home with a big bandaged hand and type a one-handed email to the list about the episode. ;) So, my question is - how do you cut very small stones on a 6 lapidary saw? Do you hand hold them? Do you use some kind of jig? And how many digits do you still have on your hands? Honestly, I am not terribly worried about it. I am experienced with power tools and saws, so I'm not being reckless. But if there is something I can do to make my wife and family feel better about it, I'd do it. Best regards, 10-Fingered Mike (for now) -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Getting rust off membranebox polyurethane
Unfortunately the polyurethane membrane does not take well to oozing blobs of toxic ferrous oxide. Meteorites should be dried out i.e. the contaminents removed before placing into the membrane box. There are various methods that have been discussed on the list and elsewhere. For Irons, please refer to our article by Jim Hartman in Meteorite Times, Meteorites 101, V.1, No. 8 http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/index.htm If you have a larger, more expensive, membrane box, it may be cost-effective to return the box to us and for a small fee, usually about $1.50 or so per box, plus shipping cost back to you, we will replace your membrane with a new membrane. (This is actually below our cost, but a service we provide for our clients on the meteorite list) If you have several smaller boxes, it may also be cost effective to ship several back to us at the same time, contingent on what your shipping cost, would be both ways. This could be better than trashing a box entirely. Other services: replacement of broken hinges and latches or changing the color of a latch, 50 cents per hinge or latch per box (plus shipping back to you), or you can buy replacement hinges or latches in yellow, blue or colorless, for 25 cts. ea. and replace them yourself. We cannot magically remove scratches, blemishes, and damage from other tragic events such as you boxes falling off of a high shelf onto a cement floor during a large earthquake (altho most boxes do pretty well if they fall from a low shelf onto a carpet!). Please advise us if you decide to return any boxes for repair. Our shipping facility has relocated from Crestline, CA to Apple Valley, CA. and is expanding in size. Our business office remains in Walnut, CA. On-line addresses remain the same. Ron Hartman membrane...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Getting rust off membranebox polyurethane Aloha, Living in humid, salt-spray laden atmosphere in Hawaii, I have had some challenges with oxidation of my iron, stony-iron, and even some chondrite meteorites. Many have weeped ferrous oxide, staining the polyurethane membrane with rust. Ugh. I've tried cleaning it off with alcohol to no avail. Has anyone cleaned rust off their membrane boxes, and if so what have you used? Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A question????? another answer
My notes from Dr. Frederick D. Leonard's Meteoritics 118 class which I took at UCLA (I believe in1962) say: A meteorite is any object of sub-planetary mass which has landed on Earth, or some other astronomical body, and still retains its original cosmic characteristics. (Little did he know that someday we would photograph meteorites residing on the surface of Mars!) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com To: Pete shu...@clearwire.net pshu...@clearwire.net; metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A question? another answer Pete sometime let me tell you about the First Church of the Navelites.. but to your question They would be called meteorites until identified as originating from the Earth--then the debate is opened up again. Recently someone at NASA or in the IAU stated the new definition of meteorite includes any rocky object falling onto the surface of any planet should be regarded as a meteorite (my translation) I recently read a calculation of the number of Earth originating rocks gone to meteorites on the moon and on Mars and it was a fairly high number within the realistic realm of being identified as such. A further subset of missing nomenclature is what to call returning non tektite ejecta that may have orbited a while and get returned much later. The Reis impactor is a candidate for having been able to eject rocks into orbit. As I've mentioned it before, it hurled some multi-ton limestone boulders over 60 miles up a mountain side in Austria. A meteorite could not eject material into space from earth but an asteroid sized impactor most certainly has in the past. That is the physics don't prohibit it. Elton --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Pete shu...@clearwire.net pshu...@clearwire.net wrote: From: Pete shu...@clearwire.net pshu...@clearwire.net Subject: [meteorite-list] A question? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 12:02 AM We have the Martian type meteorite, and we have the Lunar meteorite and last, the asteroid 4Vesta meteorite. These we know where they come from. Now the question---given enough energy, can a meteorite hit earth and eject debris which (maybe) land on the moon or Mars? What would we call such a meteorite---Earthoid, or maybe Earthite? Just contemplating my navel here. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealers, Sellers: Please INSURE your shipments
Aloha Gary, I'd also like to know more about seller's experiences collecting insurance from the USPS. They tell me that unless you can document a tangible basis for cost that you paid (invoice, receipts, etc.) you can not collect even though you hasve paid for insurance. This is difficult to do if you are the finder (I picked it up off the ground!) and seller of the specimen. Or, for example, you buy from a foreign source for 12 cts a gram a meteorite that turns out to be a Martian worth $2000/g., you can only collect the 12 cts. if it is lost in transit when you sell it. I think that you need to insist that the seller personally guarantee the value of the shipment either by insurance or otherwise, but have it be his responsibility. I doubt that you would have much luck collecting insurance from a foreign country yourself. And I don't think FedEx is much better. We had a tracked and signed parcel shipped to us from Switzerland once (membrane boxes) which Fed Ex delivered in error to an attorney's office in the Bahamas! FedEx tracked it and they lost it. Even though someone signed for it, they denied they recived it. Then it took several months before we could get FedEx to pay for the loss even though it was insured. Ron - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers, Sellers: Please INSURE your shipments I have been the victim of theft after discovering that over $1600 worth of meteorites were missing from a shipment I received from Argentina. I had noticed the package felt light, but discovered that the US postal service is not responsible for thefts of the contents of international mailed items that are not insured. This shipment was not insured and so I will in all likelihood take the full brunt of this loss. Thievery by customs officials, foreign and domestic postal workers and other individuals or organized groups inside and outside the US is a possibility! I believe most packages arrive at their destinations with their contents intact, but feel it is negligent and at the very least unconscionable not to insure shipments at or above the full value of the contents. I know it costs more to do so, but please consider insurance especially for foreign shipments. Mailing specimen cards and paperwork separately from the meteorites can also prevent thieves from knowing what those Mineral Samples are. Is it fair for me, the buyer to take the loss alone for this theft? I personally don't think so, unless I was given a choice and elected not to insure. I would hope that the seller (an IMCA member who, to his credit is working with me) would have a sudden rush of conscience and compensate, or share the loss with me, since his act of omission provides me with little if any recourse. What are my rights, and what can I do? Do other dealers insure their shipments? What is SOP? Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regardingprospecting, hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc.
Hello Mike, to respond to yor post: PS: this should be another thread, but how come a place like the Canyon Diablo Meteor Crater site is a private enterprise ?! I know we talk about USA but still... such a place should be State or Federal property, no ?! or did I not understand properly your post Mike ? I have been told: Meteor Crater Arizona is private land because in the eartly 20th century Arizona was the wild west and the gvt. allowed people to stake mining claims. Barringer applied for 4 claims, centered on the crater floor where he thought he could mine a large iron meteorite. These claims were essentially free to miners. Of course, the land came with the claim. The crtaer land is only one section ( a square one mile on a side). The land around is property of the Bar-B-Bar ranch, and eventially Barringer (Meteor Crater Enterprises) and the ranch merged into a legal entity. In fact, while the ranch land is many many square miles, they only own every alternate square (checker board pattern) and the other 50% is owned by the state of Arizona; that portion is then leased to the ranch for GRAZING RIGHTS ONLY but NOT MINERAL RIGHTS. (I went through the state reconds at the land office in Phoenix myself and talked to the person in charge.) The whole thing is also part of a recreational overlay for hunters, etc., so they cannot prohibit you from trespassing. If you want to hunt for fossils you are free to do so (last I heard). However, if the staff at meteor Crater catch someone hunting meteorites they can and probably will call the sheriff and do their best to give you a bad time. The state is the only entity that can legally do something about hunting meteorites on the state parcels, and they will as they and the Crater people have a personal relationship. The catch is that legally you need to apply for a permit to hunt meteorites in Arizona (legally). And the state will not process a permit for hunting in the proximity of the crater. One of the reasons that started their policy why they don't want meteorite collecting on their land is that collectors were digging holes and not filling them in. They were making a mess of the grazing land and risking that cattle could fall into a hole at night and break a leg. Makes sense! That was the thinking, I have heard, back in the good old days when only a few hunters would come around. Now its a parade whenever a new area is found and its tearing up the desert, dry lakes and everywhere else! - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regardingprospecting, hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc. Hello MikeG and List This is a great idea. When looking at Iridium measuring/testing (haha :)) I stumbled upon a French metal detector website which summarized well enough laws and regulations pertaining to hunting on private or public land in France: national, regional etc... We know that laws can be gray to some extent, but still it is a good start. PS: this should be another thread, but how come a place like the Canyon Diablo Meteor Crater site is a private enterprise ?! I know we talk about USA but still... such a place should be State or Federal property, no ?! or did I not understand properly your post Mike ? Good evening everyone Michael B, France - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting,hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc. Hi Listees! I was reading with great interest the recent list posts about state laws in Arizona and Colorado regarding hunting for meteorites, bird watching, etc. I don't want some humorless officer with a crewcut and a sharp hat threatening me with jail for stargazing or boondocking, so I'd like to suggest a discussion thread dedicated solely to the laws, and not the ethics, of hunting meteorites on state and federally-owned land. I have a couple of observations and questions I'd like to share with the group and someone please correct me if I am wrong about anything here - I read that one must have a special state license or pass to use certain state lands in Arizona and Colorado - I am assuming this does not apply to pay-for-access areas like State Parks where tourists pay an entry fee and they are allowed to birdwatch and hike within the boundaries of the park. Also, what about the federal land passes that are available? If I am in a National Park in Arizona (federal land) and I have a valid federal land pass, does this mean an Arizona state officer can't hassle me on that federal land? I realize having such a pass does not entitle me to access or use
[meteorite-list] PALLASITE SLICE WANTED
NOTICE: Mt. San Antonio College is interested in purchasing a pallasite for student display. Please note the following: Amounted budgeted is $500.00 only (tax and shipping many be added as applicable). No preference as to which find is offered as long as it is a stable piece. Preferably, a thin slice is wanted, finishing to a fine polish on on one-side at least, but a poor, scratched, uneven, rusty, fissured, or otherwise unsatisfactory piece will not be accepted. 30 day guarantee is required. We reserve the right to inspect prior to acceptance and to return any unsatisfactory piece. Please submit offers to: Ron Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net Notification of the accepted offer will be made by Mt. San Antonio College. Offer of acceptance will be made within one week. We regret we may not be able to respond to offers that are rejected. Purchase will be made on a Mt. San Antonio College Purchase Order and seller must Invoice the college. Thank You. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PALLASITE WANTED TO PURCHASE
NOTICE: Mt. San Antonio College is interested in purchasing a pallasite for student display. Please note the following: Amounted budgeted is $500.00 only (tax and shipping many be added as applicable). No preference as to which find is offered as long as it is a stable piece. Preferably, a thin slice is wanted, finishing to a fine polish on on one-side at least, but a poor, scratched, uneven, rusty, fissured, or otherwise unsatisfactory piece will not be accepted. 30 day guarantee is required. We reserve the right to inspect prior to acceptance and to return any unsatisfactory piece. Please submit offers to: Ron Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net Notification of the accepted offer will be made by Mt. San Antonio College. Offer of acceptance will be made within one week. We regret we may not be able to respond to offers that are rejected. Purchase will be made on a Mt. San Antonio College Purchase Order and seller must Invoice the college. Thank You. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
So are we saying that all the land owners have gotten together along with county, state and federal authorities to form posse's? None of that land has ever been public. All of it is either private, or otherwise owned in part as BLM or other local, state or federal lands. As to hunting on private land, meteorite hunters have always been well known to the locals, if not by name, by activity, and have always been seen as trespassers. So what has changed? I'm sure that most of the well known hunters on the list are responsible people; Everyone I've ever delt with (as well as myself) in respect to the Glorieta field, has always obtained hunting permission from the land-owner. However, there are a lot of individuals who are not necessarily known to the list or the IMCA, or who are just loners who sneak around on their own and hunt quietly on their own. I suspect that those are the ones who who tend to be the irresponsible parties. Maybe it's not such a good idea to advertise ones' activities to the world on Utube; it attracts flies! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta,not hunting allowed... Ruben Garcia wrote: All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a scare tactic or hype to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested. Gee I wonder why? Taking the Hill Glorieta hunts and all the publicity on the Treasure out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War. Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas, Blab, blab, blab... Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down. No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere... What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts? A public, and Government welcoming committee? Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Save big on quality, name brand carpets. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i51k3dL0dMZrU8K905fiJcz6FWuJDHsX9gRHYnCNfol6oSbRC/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Crater
WOW indeed! Ron Hartman -Original Message- From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 13, 2007 5:10 PM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crater String Claim On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:03:49 -0500, you wrote: http://www.meteoritecrater.com/ While perusing the nuggetshooters forum I came upon this. Wonder if any List members have seen it? Wow, only $5360.00, or $200 a gram, for this tektite! http://www.meteoritecrater.com/index_files/Page536.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] GPS
Seller states on his ebay ad: OUM ROKBA (provisional) The Old Woman's Knee! Oum Rokba is a new meteorite from Morroco. Nomads found hundreds of complete stones a fewkilometres from an oasis called Oum Rokba - or the Old Woman's Knee. It has been classified H5 by UCLA. Yes, classified by Alan Rubin at UCLA in 2000 (Not new at all) , but the same seller states Oum Rokba is provisional. Not so. Name was never submitted...never accepted. Not in the MetSoc database. It was found in 2000 and classified but not submitted to the Nom Comm. for several years. I think it finally was given a number but then many other unknowns started showing up using the same number, but obviously fakes (not of the same find), so the meaning of its NWA number was blurred in its reference to anything. Anyway, its a weathered junk meteorite...like many of the other ordinary highly weathered chondrites one can buy for a few cents. If anyone has a more recent update on its name, I will be pleased to update my understanding of Oum Rokba! As I understand it, this is not an accepted official name. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS [AD] Not tacky at all. However, a quick glance at two of your auctions does concern me a little. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320136347174 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320135880063 NWA 2975 was only ONE stone acquired by myself and Mike Farmer in 2005. In spite of claims to the contrary, NO ONE knows who we got that meteorite so it is impossible to say that any subsequent POSSIBLE PAIRINGS over two years later, came from our source. I realize that you use the words likely paired in your description, which is proper, but the label on the gem box clearly states NWA 2975 with a small lp. Now there are a lot of new collectors on eBay and a subtle lp on the identifying gem box will most likely loose it's meaning as this specimen changes hands in the future. It would be interesting to me to see what your certificate of authenticity states, as well. The main mass of NWA 2975 was sold to one collector and the remaining cutting crumbs were sold to other collectors and these sales have been logged into a spreadsheet that I have, so I know where each piece was sold initially. By the way, I have a similar spreadsheet for NWA 2986. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=33425 Best Wishes Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Mark Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] GPS [AD] *cough* Would it be churlish to point out that I have one for sale on eBay at the moment? :) http://stores.ebay.co.uk/London-Miscellany_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm Alexander Seidel wrote: Disclaimer == I am not affiliated with the Garmin Company in any way! The same I assume, is very probably true for Marcin We are nothing but satisfied customers of an obviously very good brand! That´s it! And why not tell others of a good product. :-) Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone
Alex wrote NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data! Then cut the cast instead. :=) (He!He!) Ron - Original Message - From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone I am also the lucky owner of one of those Venus stone casts from Bob Haag. Beautiful! And you know why he called this one the Venus stone..?? :-) This is one very special nice example of a flight-oriented meteorite, where the rule applies: NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data! Why? Because a cut would destroy the character of the piece! And so we don´t know what´s inside this beautiful meteorite, we can only make some assumptions from non-destructive observation. Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: 22 Feb 2007 18:11:00 UT Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Betreff: [meteorite-list] Larry\'s Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag\'s Venus Stone Hello Moni and List, Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Dave Andrews wrote to the List: Hi List, The Adamana or Venus Stone was found in the Adamana landfill. Near the Petrified Forest/Painted Desert boundary. (about 15 miles NE of Holbrook on I-40). Evidently someone just didn't want it anymore or didn't know what they had. It was found by a rancher target practicing with his 0.22 rifle. With the selling of the piece to Bob, I heard he purchased a new mobile home to live in. I have one of the casts, and it looks very real. It looks so real, that I think I'll put it up on eBay with a $15,000 reserve. (just kidding :o) Regards, Dave I got one of these casts too many years ago and they do look real! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PLEASE NOTE: new email address for membranebox
The old email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not working due to problems the domain provider seems unable to solve. Therefore a new email address has been set up: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will also work at Paypal to send funds for an order. Please note for your files. Thank You, Ron Hartman membranebox.com meteorite1.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
!Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes Ron Hartman??
Hello Mike, Haven't received your email! [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron www.membranebox.com www.meteorite1.com This is not an ad. It is a reply to an inquiry! :=) Ron - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes Ron Hartman?? List, Have tried a few times to contact Ron Hartman and purchase more samll membrane boxes. No response. Anyone know if he is around/OK/still in business? Anyone else sell these small boxes? 39mm x 39mm x 18mm. Cheers and Tahnks, Mike Tettenborn __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
Here is our silly story: One delivery of membrane boxes from the factory in Europe to us in the U.S. by FedEx consisted of 19 parcels ( about 3 cu. ft. ea.). They all arrived at customs in Memphis, Tennessee. But then18 came to us in Califonia and one was delivered to an attorney in the Bahamas (opposite direction). FedEx contacted the attorney who refused to give it up! Took about 9 months for FedEx to actually refund the value and shipping costs for a very obvious error that was even on their tracking screen! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package Another one sent to Texas came back with the notice Customs Declaration is missing. We have always known that Texas is different but when did it become independent?;-) Anne M. Black --- Hi, Anne, List As any Texan would be happy to tell you, March 2, 1836! The Texas Declaration of Independence was produced, literally, overnight. Its urgency was paramount, because while it was being prepared, the Alamo in San Antonio was under seige by Santa Anna's Army of Mexico. Immediately upon the assemblage of the Convention of 1836 on March 1, a committee of five of its delegates were appointed to draft the document. The committee, consisting of George C. Childress, Edward Conrad, James Gaines, Bailey Hardeman, and Collin McKinney, prepared the declaration in record time. It was briefly reviewed, then adopted by the delegates of the convention the following day. The document parallels somewhat that of the United States, signed almost sixty years earlier. It contains statements on the function and responsibility of government, followed by a list of grievances. Finally, it concludes by declaring Texas a free and independent republic. Full text at: http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/tdoi.htm Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: RE: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vscameraandhexaedrite
Yes, and as example, the quite bland Fredericksburg will show beautiful Neumann lines when properly etched with Ferric Chloride. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: RE: RE: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vscameraandhexaedrite I have to agree with Martin, Neumann lines will show if they are there. There is no 'magic potion' needed (though some chemicals are better than others), not all pieces will show lines, depends on the stresses on the particular piece in question. Use a good etchant like Ferric Chloride, good surface preparation (no saw marks!) is vital ;) Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 11 September 2006 17:52 To: 'Alexander Seidel'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: AW: RE: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vs cameraandhexaedrite Not to forget to mention, that not in each and every specimen of a find or fall, the Neumann lines are likewise developed. Sometimes they will appear extremely sharp, sometimes faint, some pieces won't have any - and that is independent from the preparation mode. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Montag, 11. September 2006 18:29 An: Sergey Vasiliev; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: RE: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vs camera andhexaedrite What a striking point, Sergey! My Guadalupe y Calvo just looks the same in a plain simple photograph. :-) We learn it´s all a matter or light and photographic skills and everything else to get the real thing transported to another viewer, and even when showing such a specimen to another person right on a spot, you have to turn it here-there, left-right, just the way you well described it! Thanks for this alternative picture, very good indeed in comparison! Alex Berlin/Germany Alex, You are right saying that you have to have the slice in front of you. The basic picture I just did with my camera is: http://sv-meteorites.iol.cz/boguslavka_1.jpg But... I posted the scanned image because it shows much more details than you can see while looking at the slice itself. To see the details you have to turn it here-there, left-right. You know what I mean. But the scanner showed me a view I couldn't get with the slice in my hands. That was the point. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- From: Alexander Seidel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:55 PM To: Andreas Gren; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vs camera and hexaedrite Thanks a bunch Andi for showing these pics, and I´m very much looking forward to receiving your prepared slice, which will be my very own share of Boguslavka, soon. Hexahedrites are no easy task for a photographer or a scanner, not even if you discuss a specimen right in front of you, in person so to say. I had the great pleasure of meeting Andi a couple of weeks ago in Hamburg and handed him my 34.8 g slice of Guadalupe y Calvo for inspection. I must admit he was more skilled than me to point me to those tiny lines in between an otherwise rather bare polished suface which were not due to scratches or something evil like that, but were in fact: Neumann lines! Quite hidden in this case, but present nonetheless! Sometimes you have to look really closely, and sometimes a photograph or scanner pic won´t do the specimen in front of you justice. P.S.: sorry Sergey, I had simply overlooked your scale figures at the bottom and left side of your beautiful pic! Nonetheless, some material scale, a scale cube or a scale stripe or even a pencil or knife or something like this will usually work better with ones imagination than just a figure... :-) Best, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:21:52 +0200 Von: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: \'Sergey Vasiliev\' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite vs camera and hexaedrite But a camera is also able to do a nice job, even with one light source. The Neumannlines appears much finer, especially in small slices. Best Regards Andi www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Boguslavka10.jpg www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Boguslavka7_03g.jpg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sergey Vasiliev Gesendet: Montag, 11. September 2006 14:34 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] scanner and hexahedrite Hello List, I just want to share the image I got from my scanner and full slice of Boguslavka hexahedrite. http://sv-meteorites.iol.cz/boguslavka.jpg Usually
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
They also sell micro membrane boxes at $36.00/dozen. Our price for one dozen is $24.00, with even better prices on quantity, We are the only factory licensed distributor in the U,S. Price speaks for itself. Ron Hartman www.membranebox.com - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Mike and list members, Sorry... I should have added this to the previous email. Mike Farmer had previously sent me this link for acrylic display boxes. http://www.kassoy.com/displays/displays06c.html Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System
It must orbit the sun, be massive enough that its own gravity pulls it into a nearly round shape, So if it has the shape of a dinner plate it is a planet? It would be a strange object, indeed! :=) - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planetsf-20060824.html Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System August 24, 2006 Media contact: Jane Platt/JPL (818) 354-0880 If you woke up Thursday morning and sensed something was different about the world around you, you're absolutely right. Pluto is no longer a planet. The International Astronomical Union, wrapping up its meeting in Prague, Czech Republic, has resolved one of the most hotly-debated topics in the cosmos by approving a specific definition that gives our solar system eight planets, instead of the nine most of us grew up memorizing. NASA has already visited all eight planets that retain their official title: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. In addition, the agency has its New Horizons spacecraft en route to Pluto, which the astronomical union has designated as the prototype for a new class of celestial objects, to be called dwarf planets. NASA will, of course, use the new guidelines established by the International Astronomical Union, said Dr. Paul Hertz, Chief Scientist for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters. We will continue pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized. Ceres, which orbits in a belt between Mars and Jupiter and is the largest known asteroid, is one of those interesting objects. In 2007, NASA will launch the Dawn spacecraft on a mission to study Ceres, which the astronomers have placed in the dwarf planet category, alongside Pluto. The dwarf planet family also includes 2003 UB313, nicknamed Xena. When Dr. Mike Brown of Caltech and his colleagues announced last summer that they'd discovered the object, which is bigger and farther away than Pluto, many astronomers decided it was time to figure out once and for all, What exactly is a planet, anyway? Here's how it all shakes out. The International Astronomical Union has decided that, to be called a planet, an object must have three traits. It must orbit the sun, be massive enough that its own gravity pulls it into a nearly round shape, and be dominant enough to clear away objects in its neighborhood. To be admitted to the dwarf planet category, an object must have only two of those traits -- it must orbit the sun and have a nearly round shape. And no, moons don't count as dwarf planets. In addition to Pluto, Ceres and 2003 UB313, the astronomical union has a dozen potential dwarf planets on its watchlist. What's to become of the other objects in our solar system neighborhood, the ones that are not planets, not dwarf planets and not moons? The organization has decided that most asteroids, comets and other small objects will be called small solar-system bodies. Despite the establishment of these three distinct categories, there are bound to be gray areas. As technologies improve and more objects are found, the International Astronomical Union will set up a process to decide which of the three categories are most appropriate for specific objects. Even before the discovery of Xena, not all was calm in the planetary world. There was debate after Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. With its small size, distant location and odd orbit, some questioned whether Pluto was really a planet or just an icy remnant of the planet-forming process. That issue has been resolved by the International Astronomical Union. Among those most keenly following the debate -- Mike Brown, who has been awaiting word on Pluto and the object he found, Xena. I'm of course disappointed that Xena will not be the tenth planet, but I definitely support the IAU in this difficult and courageous decision, said Brown. It is scientifically the right thing to do, and is a great step forward in astronomy. Although the revamping of our solar system might seem unsettling, it's really nothing new. In fact, when Ceres was first discovered in 1801, it was called a planet, as were several similar objects found later. But when the count kept on growing, astronomers decided enough is enough, and they demoted Ceres and its siblings, placing them in a new category, called asteroids. The International Astronomical Union has been naming planets and moons since its founding in 1919. For more information, visit the International Astronomical Union home page at www.iau.org or www.iau2006.org . __ Meteorite-list mailing list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Define shock value
Please see my article Some Fundamentals of Common Chondrite Classification in Meteorites 101 archived in Meteorite Times. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 5:34 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Define shock value Hi list When you see the shock number with a meteorite (ex: s3, s4 etc.), is this referring to the amount of shock that the meteorite went through when it hit the earth, or when it broke apart or impacts (or multiple impacts) experienced in space. Or is it a number that refers to the overall shocking that occurred through any source. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new meteorite based tv ad.
Its on often during the break after Worldwide Exchange and before Squawk Box (3 A.M.) PST on CNBC. Worth staying up late for or getting up early to see. Based around a meteoroid landing on a dry lake and making a crater...but I don't want to spoil the idea of why! - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] new meteorite based tv ad. Maybe you've seen it? orange-business.com ad. I just saw it on CNN. It's a corker. Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 7/3/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
Our experience: You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at the boundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method if the meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteorite in an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands the cracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protecting oil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur if heated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust. The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporate for a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed to fully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional external moisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobile transmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim, and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITE TIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of the surface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as it is a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't want anyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with careful experimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve much success. Heating carefully as described in the article should give good results. Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of them seem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method works exactly the same for any two. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known The way I see it is there are two issues with rusting: 1) water/chlorine oxygen that is in the meteorite when you buy it, Often due to etching in water based etchants or rain damage when it was in the ground - This causes rusting even if you coat it in varnish since it is just using up contaminants inside the matrix. To over come this type of rusting you need to dry the metal very well and maybe even use sodium hydroxide solution to neutralize any acid. 2) External sources of water vapor, chlorine and such: This can be prevented by using appropriate VCI and dessicant or dehumidification and keeping the specimens in a closed cabinet away from draughts and sources of water or contaminats. And this means not using bear fingers when you pick up irons! Some Irons do seem to rust no matter what you do to them, but I have succsfully stabilized 6 kilos of campo and it is as fresh as the day it was cut over a year on. The best stuff I have found is 'Lithium Grease', just spread a smear on iron slices all over on and then wipe off the excess it protects for at least 6 months... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 10/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:
[meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter
Case in point: I was the first person to decide to search Dry Lakes for meteorites, and this turned up the Lucerne Dry Lake (CA) finds, the initial find on July 21, 1963. No one else seemed to very much care about hunting on Dry Lakes then. Many hours were spent searching a number of Dry Lakes in California, and several overlapping finds were discovered on Lucerne. (Documentation on my Lucerne website; follow the link to my meteorite website at the top of my homepage at www.membranebox.com and then to the Lucerne DryLake Research website). Its all there along with the preliminary announcement as it appeared in METEORITICS. Finally, about 35 years later others got the idea, and from the success on Lucerne, virtually all dry lakes in Ca, NV and AZ have now been searched square foot by square foot and over searched again and again. This has yielded more science about the properties of on dry lake resurfacing than even about the many meteorites found on them. We have learned some of the reasons why and how the DL surfaces change over time, and some of the dynamics involved in movement of material to and around on their surfaces. We have learned why a meteorite may not be visible on the surface of a dry lake, but years later may appear. We have learned that in most cases there are overlapping fields; (even on LDL there are more overlapping fields than on any other dry lake so far searched...H's. L's, LL's CK4's, etc. This has given us some ideas about the actual abundances of fallen meteorites on Earth in terms of overlapping falls...if ever we could find them in less obvious places.)Am I to complain because someone else decided to follow my initial idea? Of course not! First of all it is not my property. Secondly, more hunting by more people has yielded more science. For decades meteorites have been found around the site of the Haviland Crater. In 1983 Haag and others found some very big meteorites there with dish detectors. Perhaps noone got the idea that deep searching detectors might be a good idea, and I'm sure that such are much improved now, but on the other hand a land owner has every right to manage his land as he sees fit. Who was the first to go to Morocco? (I will answer my own question!) Cottingham and Farmer. Was it worng for everyone else to follow? Not at all (although it might have been better for the good of meteoritics if there had been some organization and a few ground rules). So it seems to me that any complaining about someone hunting on his own land is nonproductive...really a bit silly! My opinion! Ron Hartman From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter Wouldn't the analogy be more related to a gold rush, rather than the insinuated plagiarism? Cheers, Pete From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:13:59 -0700 Geoff, Your link to www.BrenhamMeteoriteCompanyClone.com is broken - I can't get it to load. Seriously, don't you think that someone was going to do just what Mr. Stimpson has done? This world is full of people who lack creativity, vision and character. When they see someone else producing a successful enterprise they hustle to find a way to swipe a slice of the pie. Imitation surely is the sincerest form of flattery...but most folks of character recognize it for what it really is. Don't you remember all the copies of the Hula Hoop? Best, JKGwilliam At 09:21 PM 5/11/2006, Notkin wrote: Darren posted: Meteorites mark fields of dreams By Judy Keen, USA TODAY Sorry, I cannot help making fun of this : ) So . . . I propose that we change the name of Kiowa County, KS to Copycat County, KS. My article on Steve's Brenham finds in the (current) February issue of Meteorite is entitled: Field of Dreams: Rediscovering the Brenham Pallasite. Notice any similarity to Meteorites Mark Fields of Dreams? Steve, you showed Keen the current issue of M during your interview right? What a shameless swipe! The real headline here should be: USA Today Journalist Unable to Come Up with Original Story Idea. Don Stimpson peers into a 3-foot-deep hole on his farm as friends help dig up a 150-pound meteorite. Interesting shape, he says. The new find will join the collection of meteorites sitting on foil-covered chairs in his garage. Well, at least he knows how to to display them properly. Stimpson (owner of the land which contains the Brenham crater) has been doing little or nothing to locate new Brenham pallasites during the past ten years. Once Steve and Phil figured out how to find the deeply-buried Brenhams with new techniques and technology, Stimpson copied them, and has been trying to
Re: [meteorite-list] Pallasite ID
Wards was selling Brenham slices in the late 60's. I suspect that the buyer got the name mixed up. I had a nice piece that I used in classroom demos back then until a student dropped a large Canyon Diablo on it. Lesson: Don't leave specimens on a table for students to handle! (It was very stable too!) I don't recall that Wards had any other pallasite. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite ID Good Morning Listees. Anyone want to take a stab at identifying the meteorite in the following photos. The owner said that it was purchased from Ward's Scientific in the late 1960s and identified as an Odessa. http://www.catchafallingstar.com/images/apallasitea.jpg http://www.catchafallingstar.com/images/apallasiteb.jpg http://www.catchafallingstar.com/images/apallasitec.jpg Thanks in advance... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Treasure Hunters Dear Listees: Greetings comrades. Just returned late last night from our Brenham/Glorieta documentary shoot: sunburned, bruised, scratched, and battered, but what a great experience. Our Travel Channel host, the glamorous Becky Worley, jumped right into the action and was digging holes, riding ATVs, swinging metal detectors, and generally working her way through an intense meteorite-hunting apprenticeship in 48 hours flat. She's a knockout. Thanks to Mark and Ruben for posting their photos of our expedition. I'll post my own as soon as I can. Mark Bostick and his bro came all the way down from Wichita for the dig on Thursday. It was good to see some friendly faces and I appreciate the nice web presentation he put together. In other news: this Besednice character is a real corker isn't he? He's gotta be just a fake ID, or a troll right? With a name like that I'm putting my money on Jim Strope or Dave Andrews having some fun with us. Thaddeus Besednice posted: Oh great - another glorification of looting (relic hunting)! A relic is generally assumed to be a product of, or an item specifically associated with, human culture and history (i.e. an ancient religious relic), so it doesn't really work with a meteorite. Also, how can you be looting something when its owner (the landowner) has expressly asked you to excavate it from his own property? Answer me that, Mr. Moldavite. Do Any of the Brenham pits get at least a cursory record of their possible prehistoric components? They're not pits, silly. The Brenhams are completely buried, way, way underground, a bit like your conscience. An impact pit is a modest surface indentation made by a meteorite which is too small (or traveling too slowly) to produce an actual crater. I suggest reading Mr. Norton's Rocks from Space where you can learn some other helpful meteorite terms, and then use them at parties. FYI, Steve meticulously records the depth, orientation, GPS coordinates, and other detailed info for every single find. A scientific study (in association with a prominent geologist on the List) is underway to determine the true age of the fall. I can't wait! IMO the Brenham fall took place more recently than many of us think. In addition, valuable and detailed strewnfield data is being collected with each new find. The area around each excavated Brenham is carefully checked for meteorite fragments, as well as the flattened, fossilized carcass of an ancient Kansas plains camel, big sabre tooth kitty, or -- if we're super lucky -- Thaddeus Besednice himself. Steve is REALLY hoping that directly beneath one of the big irons he will discover a wafer-thin buffalo mummy. Imagine how much that would go for on eBay! I'm justifiably and unassailably an enemy of the irresponsible, counterscientific, hobbyist attitudes glorified by certain people and uncritically tolerated by others (accomplices). Good lord that's fabulous. A sentence worthy of Thomas Pynchon! Yes, that would be me, one of the accomplices. I know you're just jealous you big Moldavite. No, we don't need degrees to collect lumps of asteroids, planets, and comets, but a bit of respect for irreplacable biological taxa and cultural residues would make us more than drooling, avaricious freebooters. Unfortunately, most of the eminent scientists with degrees are too busy with classifications, new papers, and important lab work to go scurrying around in the mud with us, but we're happy to do our part. I do agree with you though -- think of all the irreplacable biological taxa that resides at the bottom of a hole in a field in a Kansas farm! If you want to
[meteorite-list] New caution for ebay buyers!
Just received the same email request on two different email accounts within 30 minutes of one another: Looks just like an eBay request to click a button and pay now for an auction, except it refers to non-existent auctions! I find this interesting as it requests payment in euros and I have just had auctions up on the German ebay site that have buyers pay in euros. Comes from: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 18.67-18-125.reverse.theplanet.com ([67.18.125.18]) Looks like UK or Romania, it seems to bounce around. Does the retune path tell any of you where it originates? (Just out of curiosity!) Ron Hartman -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ...advice please!
I would first ask him how he landed in such as mess and whether he understands the contractual legalities of an auction. If he is apologetic I would let him off the hook. If not, burn his toes on the fire! :=) I think its a matter of whether he understands the process and whether it is a first offense. (The world of business is heartless enough!) Ron - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ...advice please! Hi, I am in a moral dilemma here and I need a few opinions! I have just won an item on eBay at a VERY low price - about a 10th of it's value. The buyer has emailed me thus: hello there. im afraid there is no way i can let this item go at such a low price!!! i bought it for nearly £250 and i know its not in the spirit of ebay but i only put it up for sale because i need the money. you can offer a fair price or we can leave it here. cliff thanks for your interest Now, I have been in similar situations myself whereby I have sold stuff (notably 1g of platinum for $11) and have completed the saleand it hurt! Now, karma wise I feel I should let him off the hook, on the other hand we have entered into a contract and I feel he is obliged to complete the sale. Should I insist that he sells it to me, or should I play the nice guy and let him off!!! Awaiting your considered advice!!! Best! dave IMCA #0092 BTW - this is a terrestrial rock, not a meteorite! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 4/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 4/11/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED: MIN. 8 lbs. CD OR CAMPO NICE SPECIMEN
Mt. San Antonio College has a maximum budget of $500.00 available for the purchase of a Campo or Canyoun Diablo meteorite to be used in classroom hands-on activities. It needs to be a nice representation of an iron meteorite, i.e. not just a junk piece. The minimum weight should be 8 pounds. If anyone has such a specimen for sale and would be willing to sell same for that maximum price (actually, $499.99) , please contact Ron Hartman who will email the information to the college. (Old rusty Campos or other specimens in poor state or that are unstable are not acceptable.) The college will send a purchase order directly to the seller who should then bill the college for payment. The money was made available on a one-time basis to the college and will be available for only one week (the end of the current budget period.) Mt. San Antonio College is a California Public Community College with the largest campus in Southern California. Any leads will be appreciated. Please respond with any offer to this email with a picture and description if interested. Thank You, Ron Hartman cc: J. Bray-Ali (Astronomy - Earth Sciences Department Chair) L. Redinger (Dean: Natural Sciences) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 3/27/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Micro-membrane boxes on eBay start at ~5 cents ea. (in 24 pak)
- Original Message - From: R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: AD: Micro-membrane boxes on eBay start at ~5 cents ea. (in 24 pak) Hello List: Because of recent discussion on the list regarding our remarkable little micro-boxes (love them like our children), I have been placing sets of various quantities on ebay for the past several weeks, so the bidders can determine what they want to pay! I have two sets listed now and will add auctions periodically for a bit longer. (Some collectors have made some very good deals for themselves so far.) Happy bidding! Thanks, Ron R. N. Hartman, Inc. www.membranebox.com (First ad in the last year!) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Micro-membrane boxes on eBay start at ~5 cents ea. (in 24 pak)
Hello List: Because of recent discussion on the list regarding our remarkable little micro-boxes (love them like our children), I have been placing sets of various quantities on ebay for the past several weeks, so the bidders can determine what they want to pay! I have two sets listed now and will add auctions periodically for a bit longer. (Some collectors have made some very good deals for themselves so far.) Happy bidding! Thanks, Ron R. N. Hartman, Inc. www.membranebox.com (First ad in the last year!) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] An unusual spam post
I received one of the typical Nigerian spam messages today ( wanting to place an order by cc.) but though this one was particularily interesting because of who it was directed to. It would be interesting to try to trace the origin of one like this in particular due to the sender's selection of recipients! Does anyone know of this sender? (Maybe it is a stolem address.) murphy cole [EMAIL PROTECTED][This is spam] Mark Unread To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WARNING: New twist on eBay spoof (scam)
As I have not seen this posted yet, I will send this warning along. It appears as if you are getting a message from an eBay member re: an auction #6436472319. The sender wants a reply and the message form looks quite real. In fact, it is an ebay message reply template. It may state that they bid on one of your auctions and is a request for shipping rates, it may be an inquiry about a non-delivered auction, or many other variations. If you click to tell the person that it isn't your auction, you will get a sign in screen requesting your ID and sign in password. THIS IS NOT FROM EBAY. If you go to the actual auction number you will get a warning message from the owner of that auction number who states that his auction number was stolen, etc. and to beware of a very clever scam. If you have done these things, best to change your password (and report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] An idea from a list member re: membrane boxes; one-time only ebay sale
A list member wrote I was wondering (perhaps this might be good idea if you don't do it all ready), if you sell assorted membrane boxes Hi, I haved no objection to that idea. However, there are so many combinations and everyone has their favorite assortment, I wouldn't know where to begin putting together an assortment. If there is some interest please let me have your thoughts. Maybe something like a sampler...but there are 1500 possible sizes. I don't even list every size that I do carry in stock. But, I am open to suggestions. Ron - Original Message - From: To: R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: membrane boxes; one-time only ebay sale Hi Ron, I was wondering (perhaps this might be good idea if you don't do it all ready), if you sell assorted membrane boxes. Since I sell a variety of specimens, it would be nice to have an assortment of boxes so I don't have to buy so many different ones at one time. I am sure other dealers would find this useful also but will get your take on this as there may be reasons for not selling that way. All my best! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 2/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: membrane boxes; one-time only ebay sale
ONE TIME ONLY SALE ON EBAY: 5 paks listed today. Only 3 left. ebay #6609377796 48 pak MICRO MEMBRANE BOXES for micro meteorite -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 2/27/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
They wonder how many new finds they'll get access to before the space rocks are sliced into collectible fragments and disappear into private collectionsThis is something that has always bothered me. That goes for any rare meteorite, or even a nice common one. But if the museums and researchers can't come up with money to buy them from collectors, and researchers won't go out and find them themselves (or finance hunting groups), I don't know whether there is a solution. Maybe Canada does have the answer! Ron - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors,Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites) Article quoted the following: . I think 20% or 20 grams is pretty generous. Some dealers exceed this expectation and others don't. The ones that don't should be forced to adhere or lose official status on their stones. My Question: Isn't this same thing happening with Fukang?, a rare meteorite sliced into ever smaller pieces and put on the market. Some were falsely claiming Fukang as being a new type of ungrouped Pallasite. Donors to the Southwest Meteorite Center get a nice little slice of Fukang presented in acrylic if they provide enough capitol to the organization. Why isn't Fukang being preserved as a main mass for presentation and study? Is something wrong with this philosophy or I am missing something here? Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Old rusty iron (off topic, sort of)
Goran wrote: And I still think that ferric chloride for etching is bad In the first place, the ferric chloride is in proximity to the meteorite for only a few seconds, at most, in the proper solution, not as a dry crystal, and if you follow the directions given previously (over the years) you will have no trouble.The etch is much better. We have used this for many years now and it is a much better way than nitric acid when applied correctly. This has been verified by countless others who now use ferric to etch and its validity is well documented. No, we are not going to explain this again. Go to our archived article in Meteorite Times that explains this. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Old rusty iron (off topic, sort of) Hi, Just wanted to show this that I got today on another mailinglist. It's a picture of a few viking age iron objects recovered this summer. It is really rusted and what do they do to conserve it? Yes, distilled water to leach the chloride out of the objects. Water by itself is not a danger to iron, it is what's in the water that is the danger. http://saltosobrius.blogspot.com/2006/02/viking-period-horse-gear-revealed.h tml And I still think that ferric chloride for etching is bad. Do a test with a dry grain of ferric chloride salt, put it on a paper and leave it for a while. When you check it in a couple of weeks it's all dissolved into a yellow spot and absorbed into the paper. Unless you live in a very dry place. At least prime the iron by wetting it in pure water or alcohole so the solution isn't drawn into small fractures by capillary force. /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Comments re: membrane boxes from Ron Hartman
Reply from Ron I have enjoyed all the free advertising so far on this list, and have found all the posts of interest. I appreciate healthy debate and the many points that have been made. I would like to address two comments regarding one of the previously sent posts. COMMENT 1)You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across the plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a jar that it costs 3-4 times as much to make??? REPLY: In fact, it is. There is a great deal of hand assembly in this process. The membrane is attached by a process almost identical to putting a new screen on a screen door and trimming it to size. The stretch has to be just right for the box to have its shock proof characteristics and for the membrane to return to a flat plane when the piece is removed. It requires special tooling and semi-automated machinery, and a skilled person to do the job. We do this ourselves, and it required sending Jim to the factory in Europe for a week of special training plus the purchase and importing of the equipment. If we did not do part of the manufacturing, we could not keep our prices lower than everyone elses. COMMENT 2)... and am really annoyed by the mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on a display case REPLY: The box is a patented invention, but was not designed with meteorite collectors in mind. It was designed for transportation and/or storage of delicate parts and to provide shock protection. THE GOOD NEWS: Our #10 membrane box, 100 x 50 x 16 mm is our own unique box with NO MOLD MARK OR MARKINGS. We offer it with a colorless latch. It is the ideal size for smal pieces. We provide it with colorless latches. We got into the membrane business a few years ago after reading that a number of collectors were looking for the product. There are other dealers on the web. You can find them by going to Google and typing membrane box into the search. We tried them initially. One such dealer sent loose boxes in a zip-lock bag, so scratched up that half were unusable. Another (and I talked to their CEO personally) took about 3 months to deliver the micro boxes and a third of the boxes were scuffed on one side due to improper packing. Most of these places do not keep much of a stock in inventory, as we try to do. And, we guarantee that our boxes will arrive quickly and fully assembled, in perfect condition and ready to use, or we will replace them. You don't have to worry about broken plastic cases due to rough handling in shipping. We also offer advise and support about the proper sized for your needs. I notice that some other sellers on the web are now including in their ads that the membrane boxes are good for meteorites, although I suspect that most couldn't recognize a meteorite if they tripped on it! I will be pleased to respond to any questions or comments. RON R. N. HARTMAN, Inc. METEORITES AND ACCESSORIES MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES Serving collectors, education and industry worldwide email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit us on the web at: www.meteorite1.com www.membranebox.com Mailing address: R. N. Hartman 20687-2 Amar Road #400 Walnut, CA 91789 (U.S.A.) - Original Message - From: Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:53 -0500, you wrote: I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US. The prices are reasonable-- if you are displaying pieces worth a sizable multiple of the price of the membrane box. For instance, a $800 lunar in a $2 membrane box is no big deal. I tend to collect micromounts, both for economic and for space reasons. I thought about putting all of mine into membrane boxes, but I just could not justify paying the price per membrane box when you could get a gem jar of about the same size for a small fraction of the price. The gem jars are about the same size, about the same amount of material, and about the same complexity to manufacture, but because only one company is making the membrane boxes, there is no competition for them, and therefore inflated, monopoly prices. You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across the plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a jar that it costs 3-4 times as much to make? I only go with a membrane box for the pieces with great interest on both size. My other micro pieces go into gem jars. Also, I have one of the boxes like this one, and am really annoyed by the mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on a display case: http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/box23.jpg (irrelevant side note-- I worked in a plastics plant running injection molding machines one summer during school, some of the machines the size of rooms. It gives
Re: [meteorite-list] Comments re: membrane boxes from Ron Hartman
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] and list: To respond to your post: First of all, to have the factory install the membrane is a big cost, and we can do it cheaper because we do it ourselves. However, it is not the kind of thing done at home. We had to outfit a small building where we do our assembly and operations. And, yes, we do have higher quality control. We were finding instances where the space between the membrane and the inner part of the plastic shell was not always as clean as we demanded..little specks, shavings of membrane material, dust, etc. Although we don't have a class 1000 clean room: i.e.: Cleanrooms are 10,000 times cleaner than a hospital operating room. It takes an incredible amount of technology to achieve and maintain such cleanliness. Huge air filtration systems completely change the air in cleanrooms about 10 times per minute, reducing the chance that there are airborne particles that might harm the chips we don't do badly at all with our present manufacturing assembly methods and careful workmanship. Nevertheless, new technologies are developing all the time and with decreasing costs for upgrading the fabrication facilities, these things are always on our agenda for some future date. Shipping charges of one 5000 cu. inch. carton from Europe by FedEx to us average around $330.00, with savings with quantity. (This could add $2 to $4 to the final retail cost of one box, depending on the size). This is why we ususally purchase factory components at a ton-rate or more. Even so, rates have gone up as much as 30% in the past year due to fuel surcharges and FedEx normal yearly rate increases. Shipping is charged by volume and not weight, and you can see that the boxes are mostly air. By applying the membrane ourselves, we can get more shells into a shipping carton, thus saving shipping costs and keeping costs down. Without this advantage, prices could be 20-40% higher. The polyurethane membrane is in fact a specially made formulation for the membrane boxes. Not that polyurethane is exotic, but the specific formulation for the boxes have a factory defined specific stretch, tear resistance and bounce ability to absorbe shock utiling damped vibration technology. One can go to: http://www.efunda.com/formulae/vibrations/sdof_free_damped.cfm if one wishes to look more into that (but I wouldn't want to!). You are very right, that there are a number of extra steps after removal from the mold. For example, that little dimple in the middle of the box was much more before the box was finished! What you see is after drilling and polishing to even it out. I can understand any concern for prices and appreciate what seem to be simple solutions. However, in the real world, many solutions are not as simple as they may appear to be initially. There are many costs beyond those for raw materials. And, don't forget: customs fees, foreign exchange money transfer fees, processing fees, tariff charges, and for us, Paypal charges, taxes, and on and on. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comments re: membrane boxes from Ron Hartman On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:10:37 -0800, you wrote: REPLY: In fact, it is. There is a great deal of hand assembly in this process. The membrane is attached by a process almost identical to putting a new screen on a screen door and trimming it to size. The stretch has to be just right for the box to have its shock proof characteristics and for the membrane to return to a flat plane when the piece is removed. It requires special tooling and semi-automated machinery, and a skilled person to do the job. We do this ourselves, and it required sending Jim to the factory in Europe for a week of special training plus the purchase and importing of the equipment. If we did not do part of the manufacturing, we could not keep our prices lower than everyone elses. I didn't know that this step wasn't done at the plastics plant, but still, the point is that it could be-- especially if the machinery is semi-autimated. My point was never about being able to make them from scratch at home. Just what kiind of compexity and production costs they would have for a professional, fully equiped plastics molding plant. I can understand added costs if you are basicly putting them together yourself at home. At the plastics plant where I used to work, many of the parts there also involved extra steps after removal from the mold, including using sorts of ultrasonic drills to insert metal fittings into pieces. What I'm getting at is that the shape of the parts are very simple, not requiring any fancy multi-part molds or pins for holes or overhangs, just the two steel plates that are pressed together. The plastic used doesn't look to be anything exoctic. The problem that you seemed
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory
Certainly yes from Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory Dear List Members, Looks like a LOT of support for the YES vote for Geoff, Steve and Phil. I am getting a lot of votes directly to me but not to the list. Please send your vote to the list and if you are one of the several folks who have emailed your vote directly to me, feel free to send it again to the list because this has to be a public vote to show no bias, I do live in Florida and I wouldn't want a re-count ;-) Best regards and Thanks again for supporting these three worthy award winners, Greg - Original Message - From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Catagory YES!, Si!, Oui!, Ja! Paul At 11:24 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Dear List Members, A month or two ago I posted to the list that I felt that Steve Arnold - IMB and Phil Mani should be nominated for a Harvey Award for their Huge Brenham Main Mass discovery and also Geoff Notkin for his tireless work on behalf of the Hurricane Katrina Fund Raiser among other too-numerous to list meteorite-related activities. I know that Geoff and Steve originally set up the Harvey Awards where they could not nominate themselves for an award. I would like all list members to join me here on the list to nominate these fine gentleman for a Harvey Award an encourage them to make a new category where they could receive an award if enough of us voted YES to this. Maybe they could create a People's Choice award or something along these lines. Everyone in favor, send the list a resounding YES and lets acknowledge their contributions and achievements in public. Consider this my YES vote... Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 1/24/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass
OPINION: This has traditionally, for as long as I have been collecting, and that is for 50+ years, the one largest or primary piece has been the main mass. More usually, there had been a loose understanding that the main mass usually referred to a very large meteorite where there was one substantially large piece and many smaller pieces. If there, for example, were a strewnfield with many pieces that were all within a similar size range, it served no meaningful purpose to call the largest a main mass. After 1999 when many small Saharan individuals, all somewhat different, started becoming available, and there was only one of each, soon each started to be referred to a main mass. This was a happy time for dealers and collectors as collectors could now collect main masses! But, I don't think that was the intent of the term as it was originally used. And definitely, as Adam states, there can be only one main mass. One need only to look up the term main in a dictionary, i.e. the first in size. Dealers and collectors who try to bend the rules (broaden established definitions) for their own gain do nothing in the eyes of researchers to promote a good image for meteorite collecting in general. In the end such behavior will come back to haunt everyone! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass I agree with what Mike had to say about not using the term Main Mass to describe a pairing of smaller size, it seems too misleading to me. Scientist have made a good effort with the pairing issues. One just has to look at the following sites to see this is so: http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/ Not only that, pairings are mentioned in abstracts because most scientists use this information and believe it is valid data. I think a better term must be available, mainly in the interest of collectors. I would never claim to have 42 planetary main masses even though I may have the same number of nomenclature assignments. To do so would be fraudulent in my opinion. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass Hola Adam, Mike, Dean, Bob, and anyone else on this subject, You guys are all to be commended on your roles in the recovery of these specimens. The real question I see is not how many main masses you have -but whether you have any main masses at all- from these dense localities: The system is quite arbitrary no matter how you attribute subjective/random pairings. This shouldn't have any negative connotation associated with it. I posted something similar to this about a year or two ago in this forum. You all definitely have a lot of the world's biggest pieces in your possessions, none of you massive dealers needs any bragging rights from a viewpoint down here in the trenches, its not as if these were Nobel prizes, nor is it comparable in 99% of the cases to Steve Arnold's gig. This is unarguably an artificially manufactured situation in the dense collection areas. Besides Adam's, Mike's response was pretty straightforward, too, and Dean's logic very intelligent as well, as well as the rest...it really sounds much less scientific and more like discussion among competing cereal companies on who can label the food as Heart Healthy and who can't. I'd go retro and just ask Where's the Beef? while we watch y'all in this potentially high-steaks and breadwinning issue. So as long as we understand this is more of a Cola Wars' type question than a meaningful scientific question, it's interesting to hear all these arguments and occasionally add a peep or two in the shadow of the giants. Maybe I'm wrong, but we've seen this discussion in many presentations before. That's great, as long as everyone agrees that this is a commercial and not a scientific issue. It actually looks like you all do, in my (very) humble perception...Saludos, Doug PS a known pairing series can be open to interpretation, and are not exhaustive analyses, right? The science doesn't feel the need to address this issue, as far as I gather... In a message dated 1/19/2006 10:57:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I followed this logic, I would have 48 planetary Main Masses. Yeah for me! In reality, we have less than a dozen as far as I am concerned. I will stick to the what I believe are the rules, the largest piece in a known pairing series is the only Main Mass. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson
I would suggest we send 500 emails to these people with some well-chosen suggestions, and I also hope they have been reported to the Tucson BBB as well. If it were me, I would make noises to the local CofC suggesting these kinds of businesses be run out of town. If enough people bothered to complain about all the business scams there would be fewer of them. We and everyone else drop enough money at these conventions that the city can at least clean up the town. It would be a good thing for anyone else to let us all know of any other local scammers to avoid. And conversely, any especially good experiences with responsible local vendors. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Dear List, Do not stay at, I repeat do not stay at: ECONO LODGE TUCSON 1136 N STONE AVE TUCSON AZ US 85705 Phone: 520-622-6714 We booked a three bedroom suite at this rat hole only to find out it is run by a bunch of Indian con artists. The first thing they did when we checked in is try to charge us an extra $150.00 for the day before we arrived saying that we called and wanted the room a day early. We said there must have been a mistake and showed the female Indian who could barely speak English our itinerary only to have her say you pay extra night or no room. She knew how hard it was to get a room during the show and thought she had us on the spot. We refused to pay for the extra night and she told us to leave. We left after some choice words with here and here husband who manage the place and she billed my credit card nearly a $1,000.00 anyway even though we were refused service. I reported these con artists to my credit card company and an eight month battle ensued requiring legal action. She lied and said we stayed there even though I signed nothing. Luckily I had three witnesses to the unpleasant event or I would have been out of some serious money. I booked the room through Hotels.com so be careful. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Tucson Mark posted: Cloud's jamboree has long been a major rock and gem show and combined with the GLW wholesale show, it provides for many vendors and buyers from around the world, not to mention the tourist trade. Dear Mark and List: I'm not familiar with Cloud's Jamboree, but would like to be. Do you know the dates for that show, or is there a website? If so, please forward, I'd like to check it out. Does this show take place in Laughlin? Its too late I'd think to change from Tucson to Laughlin for the upcoming show, but for 2007, I'd like to see some serious thought put towards the move of the meteorite show. The Gem show has been running in Tucson for 51 years. It's a huge moneymaker for the promoters and the city, and it's not going to move to another town just so visitors can maybe get cheaper hotel rooms, though having paid some hefty hotel bills here in the past, I do sympathize with you. rant Rooms in Tucson are cheap now -- you can get a nice suite next to the pool for $49/night. As you know, they go up drastically during the show due to the greed of hotel owners and promoters who squeeze every penny they can out of visiting dealers and buyers. Even a single at the crummy Super 8 on Frontage Road costs $89/night + a high occupancy tax during the show -- if you're lucky. There has been a lot of unofficial grumbling about the show from certain dealers, and they have every right to grumble, especially this past year (Feb. 2005) when so many were moved to new locations, mistreated by promoters, and forced to set up in useless hotels with no walk-in traffic, miles away from the main show. In addition, vendors are harassed by state officials over the use of non-regulated digital scales and sales tax issues. The Gem show is the biggest event of the year for us here in Tucson. Every hotel room in town is booked, and every decent restaurant is packed night after night. IMO the city should be very grateful for this gigantic income and do more to help visiting vendors, instead of hassling them. Also, it would be nice if JUST ONCE they suspended road work downtown for those two weeks. Another peeve of mine is the gang of urchins who charge $5 to park on some patch of waste ground next to the highway which is vacant for the rest of the year. The show promoters are making enough money -- they need to provide adequate free parking and better shuttle bus service. /rant A few suggestions for show visitors looking to save money: - Buddy up with two or three of your pals, and get a big suite in a nicer hotel. It ends
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[meteorite-list] DATES OF 2006 TUCSON SHOW?
Do we know the dates yet for the Tucson show, especially the Michael Blood auction Thank You, Ron www.membranebox.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
