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[meteorite-list] Meteorite or wrong
Dear List: I am always impressed with the depth and wealth of knowledge you folks possess. Thanks for all your input on what exactly my friend might have found. The suggestions are: Cannonball UFO Minor Planet Ore Milling Ball Wrecking Ball Oven Melt from Joliet Army Ammunitions Plant Civil War Mortar Shell Old Ship Ballast Baron Munchhausen's Cannon Ball (my favorite) There seems to be some question regarding the diameter of this object. Two people took measurements and both attempted to be as accurate as possible. The actual diameter most probably does not deviate from 9 1/4 inches by more than ~1/8 inch. Even considering the amount of surface that may have rusted off over time, the maximum diameter probably was not over 9 1/2 inches. Also, there is no visible port or opening for a fuse that any of us observed. In addition, the density of iron is 491.5 lb/ft.3. I calculated the density for this ball to be 458 lb/ft3 - using a bathroom scale and the tape measure. The difference in the two densities is around 7%. Could my measurement error be 7%? Or, can it be hollow inside? More food for thought!! Thank you Marcin, Stefan, Martin, Bill, MexicoDoug, Sterling, RB, Ed, Elton, Dave, Pete, Darren, Susan, and Jason for your thoughtful input. Although I can't be certain of what we have, I am inclined to think that it is an old ore milling ball. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of meteorite-wrong
Ed and all: This thing was found south of Chicago near Joliet. Dave -- Original message -- From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dave - It sure looks like a cannonball, but where in Illinois was it found? A general location, like a nearby town, would be adequate. good hunting, and better luck next time, Ed --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the links to the pictures of the meteorite-wrong that Jason Utas was kind enough to list for us. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/meteoriteorwrong.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/find-2.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/find-3.jpg http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/find-4.jpg Any ideas? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-wrong pics
George and all: This ball was found only a foot or two under ground and dug up with a backhoe. It is iron, 9 1/4 inch in diameter and weighs 110 lbs. It is perfectly round. Nothing else was found around it to my knowledge. Dave -- Original message -- From: G. Nicula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dave, do you know how deep this object was buried? George Nicula - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-wrong pics I would like to show a picture of what a friend of a friend thinks might be a meteorite but I know we are not permitted attachments in our emails to the list. Any ideas of how I can post a few pictures? The object which this person dug up (on a 20 acre rural plot in Illinois) is very round, 9 1/4 inch in diameter and weighs 110 lbs. That's pretty much the density of iron, 7.87 g/cc or 492 lb/ft3. It's surface is rusted, but it is nearly perfectly round. The rusted surface gives the impression of thumbprints but it is simply rusted. I think it's a cannonball but am not certain that old cannonballs were this size and weighed 110 lbs. I filed off a chink to do a nickel test but so far haven't the right chemicals to do one. Any ideas? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite-wrong pics
I would like to show a picture of what a friend of a friend thinks might be a meteorite but I know we are not permitted attachments in our emails to the list. Any ideas of how I can post a few pictures? The object which this person dug up (on a 20 acre rural plot in Illinois) is very round, 9 1/4 inch in diameter and weighs 110 lbs. That's pretty much the density of iron, 7.87 g/cc or 492 lb/ft3. It's surface is rusted, but it is nearly perfectly round. The rusted surface gives the impression of thumbprints but it is simply rusted. I think it's a cannonball but am not certain that old cannonballs were this size and weighed 110 lbs. I filed off a chink to do a nickel test but so far haven't the right chemicals to do one. Any ideas? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-wrong pics
I sent 4 pictures to Jason Utas who will post them at photobucket.com and send the link to the Met list. Thanks Jason for your help. Please check out the photos when the link is provided and tell me what you all think. I know it's not a meteorite but what can it be?? Dave -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to show a picture of what a friend of a friend thinks might be a meteorite but I know we are not permitted attachments in our emails to the list. Any ideas of how I can post a few pictures? The object which this person dug up (on a 20 acre rural plot in Illinois) is very round, 9 1/4 inch in diameter and weighs 110 lbs. That's pretty much the density of iron, 7.87 g/cc or 492 lb/ft3. It's surface is rusted, but it is nearly perfectly round. The rusted surface gives the impression of thumbprints but it is simply rusted. I think it's a cannonball but am not certain that old cannonballs were this size and weighed 110 lbs. I filed off a chink to do a nickel test but so far haven't the right chemicals to do one. Any ideas? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] no service solution
Thanks to all (Adam, Matt, Sterling, Susan, etc.) who sent me info on how to get back on-line with this list. My disable sending mail due to bounces was indeed turned off. All is back to normal and the world is once again right. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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No emails from the list for some time now. Is it down or is my system at fault? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] METEORITE received
Received my copy of METEORITE here in Pittsburgh yesterday. Same high quality - great cover!! Good job guys! Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Need basic book recommendations
Dear List: I am giving a talk on meteorites to a middle school class in a month. Does anyone have any recommendations for books that are written for 6th, 7th, and 8th grade level? I think Kevin Kichinka's book might be good, but Norton's might be a little too much for them. Any suggestions? Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting hours vs recovery rate
Dear List: I am just an amateur, but went to the Gold Basin strewnfield in November of 2001, not only to search for meteorites but also to photograph the Leonid's meteor storm from dark skies. I met Don O'Keeffe there, and also Bill Fisher, a gold and meteorite hunter from California. Bill Fisher told me at once that I would not find anything with my Whites XLT detector. He was right (highly mineralized ground) and he lent me a Gold Bug detector with which I searched for 2 days. I did not keep records but over those 2 days I found 6 small pieces ranging from 10 to 20 g. So, on average, that's 6 per 48 hours, or 1 for every 8 hours. I feel very fortunate that I found any at all on my first attempt at hunting. BTW, the Leonid's storm was awesome from the strewnfield. Dave -- Original message -- From: Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sonny list, My stats are not going to be what people want to hear. I have been collecting rocks, fossils, and artifacts since I could walk. I have been a continuously active exploration geologist for 35 years. I have been looking at the ground in front of me with something of a trained eye for something like 50 years. Unusual rocks came home with me without fail. When I joined Homestake Mining Company about 25 years ago, they had to pay to move something like 10 tons of rock. When I sheepishly apologized to my new boss, he said I guess if we hire a geologist who doesn't like rocks, we made a poor choice! This is the long way of saying: none of those were meteorites. When I became interested in the current subject, I spent (as for most of my life) on the order of 150 days in the field per year in my normal work routine. Always looking, but with very limited knowledge (none the less, a well trained eye for the unusual). Nothing. No memories at all of something I wish I could go back and view again. As the obsession grew, I gradually acquired a small collection of meteorites via purchase specifically to train my eye. I started looking where there were few or no rocks (thanks to Nininger's Find a Falling Star that had been given to me). I can't guess how long it took after that--- I'd say weeks of quality time before the big moment for #1 (described on our website and IMCA). Speaking only of dedicated meteorite-search time, I spent another three or four man-days in Nevada, then say 5 man-days in virgin country in the high Andes in Chile, then another 3 days in Nevada before my next tiny find at Majuba (also on the website). Learning from experience, my next effort was where meteorites had been found before, and I found 21 fragments in 2 days. The next page will be written soon, but I suspect no armchair quarterback has any idea what kind of patience and perserverance it takes to beat the odds on one of the longest shot endeavors on earth! I serve as living proof that you can go nuts before it happens. Cheers, Norm http://TektiteSource.com (where you can read the longer versions of #s 1 2) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Have you ever wondered how many hours you must spend before your first cold find ? Or how many hours after you find a new area with a new meteorite before your next find? I would like to say that you will find a meteorite every 40- 50 hours of searching for cold finds not counting driving or prep time. The only problem is once you find one you will spend 4-5 days or longer searching the area looking for the rest of the meteorite or the continuation of the strewn field. In my own experience in a know strewnfield ( Gold Basin) I spent 16 hours of hunting plus 6 hours driving time for my first meteorite. I might have recovered one faster if it was not for the 10 pounds of meterwrongs I was carrying in my pockets before I found one. On some of the new areas I have spent as little as 4 hours before a new find in a new location. I have also spent weeks before a new find at 8 to 10 hour days. In a strewnfield that I have been working there are times were you may not find one for a week and then find one or two. In one area a friend I spent 3 days hunting before the frist find. We spent 2 more days looking for the next find paired to the first find. We have done 3 more trips to the location for a few more pieces. Average hunting day 8 hours plus 4-8 hours driving time to get to location one way. I would like to say the average time to find a meteorite in a known is location 2-20 hours. For a new cold find from a area with no finds may take 50 plus hours of hunting not counting driving or prep time. I am interested in hearing input from other hunters especially from the Southwest. I have been asked by some new meteorite hunters what they can expect before they find their first meteorite.
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Carbonaceous Fall
Rob: Congratulations!! I'll bet the value of Christina will only increase over the years. Most probably the TKW will also increase over time with tender care and handling. Dave Hello all- After several hours of sonic booms, hissing noises, and assignment of blame a nicely thumbprinted 3.3 kilo individual was recovered last night at 0120 hrs not far from my home. There is some thumbprinting on this finder as well, expected to heal in the next day or two. Provisional naming proved acceptable based on anticipated characteristics and it will henceforth be referred to as Christina. And, oddly enough, they ARE warm to the touch! Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Soyinchan 5 piece
Mike: If still available, I would like the Soyinchan 5 piece 9.65 g. at $58.00. Regards, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Mike: Sorry for the spelling error. Make that Seymchan - 9.65 g. piece. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Poorly spelled name sent to entire list
Sorry List: That email with the poorly spelled Seymchan went out to the entire list instead of to the intended list member. Send finger too quick. Blasted Fairies!! Bah!! Regards, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids 2004 from L.R.
The Perseids from Pittsburgh, PA was a bust. Partial clouds around 10:30 pm. Saw a fairly bright one at 10:50 pm, which may have been a sporadic as it went north to south. Clouds began to get heavier and by 2 am it was completely clouded over. I quit when I began to feel the raindrops. That one coupled with the one I saw on Tuesday night brings my total Perseids count for 2004 to 2 !! I guess my ZHR is not very high. Regards, Dave Hello List, Pretty nice show here tonight. Had been cloudy and raining off and on most of the day and into the early night, but by ~ 2:30 AM, the skies opened up. I saw several really nice ones with persistent trains. One in particular was great. It went just about entirely across the sky, almost fading out once and then flaring back up at the end. I saw two at a time a couple of times. Then the clouds/fog started rolling back in and closed down the show. I estimate there were a little more than 60/hour during the hour and a half or so that I watched. How was it for some of the rest of you? Best regards, Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites, Ice, and Antarctic
Bill Cassidy is the Father of the Antarctic Search for Meteorites program (ANSMET) and his book Meteorites, Ice, and Antarctica is an absolute must read for any meteorite enthusiast. There was a review in the November 2003 Issue of METEORITE (Vol 9, No. 4) by Br. Guy Consolmagno SJ, of the Vatican Observatory, that is well worth reading. Not only does Cassidy relate some of the trials and tribulations in that hostile environment with some very interesting stories and a lot of wit, but he also goes into detail about lunar and Martian meteorites, and what they tell us about their parent bodies. His tables comparing modern falls with Antarctic finds are very informative. He also speculates about the future of meteorite collecting. It's the best $25 you will ever spend. I highly recommend Cassidy's book. Regards, Dave Pensenstadler Hello all, Don't remember anyone mentioning this book and am curious if anyone has read it yet? There's a review in this months issue of Geotimes or you can read the review at the following link: http://www.geotimes.org/current/geomedia.html#review2 Looks like it might be a worthwhile and interesting read. Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rovers
Ron: Please keep the images coming. Probably more than anything else on this list, I look forward to the Mars Odyssey Themis Images and the Mars Rover Updates. Regards, Dave If you want to enforce the letter of Art's laws, most of Ron Baalke's posts shouldn't appear here, after all, what do Mars probes have to do with meteorites? Both Mars rovers landed in impact craters, and that alone is enough to make it meteorite-related. The rocks on Mars are connected via the Mars meteorites. The search for water on Mars may lead to life on Mars and ALH 84001. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congratulations on having an asteroid named after you!
Rob Matson: Congratulations on the honor of having an asteroid named after you. The Minor Planet Center today updated its Discovery Circumstances pages with 93 new namings. The highest numbered asteroid with a name is now 73491 Robmatson (2002 PO164), a Main Belter discovered by Sebastian Hoenig in the NEAT/Palomar archive. Rob Matson is also an archive sleuth (see 2004 DW news) as well as a meteorite and SOHO comet hunter. Regards, Dave Hi List and Rob, I did get permission from our own list member Rob Matson to post this email he send to me. I thought it to be very interesting and would like to share it with you. Happy hunting, Moni that reminds me, have you found one lately? Yep -- nearly every day. But all of the finds credited to me (so far) have been Main Belt asteroids. The most interesting and rewarding work was my precovery of asteroid 2004 DW last month. You may have read about this giant icy TNO (trans-Neptunian object) in the news, as it is probably the largest body that has been found in the solar system other than the planets and their moons. You can read about it here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0402/21.htm In other asteroid news, as asteroid was officially named after me today! See page 2 here: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0403/05.htm --Rob _ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sau 001 deals?
Tom: Check out GLassface1's ebay site. He may have lots of Sau 001. (:)!! Another Dave Hello List, who has the best prices on SAU 001 individuals or is ebay going to be the best bet for finding a nice one with out paying to much? SAU 001 is quickly becoming my favorite stone meteorite, too nice Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more BS auctions if anybody cares
Those are nothing compared to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2204159252category=3239 EVERYONE knows that actual moon rock is orange, not BLUE! Maybe the moon is actually made out of Blue Cheeze !! Dave Those are nothing compared to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2204159252category=3239 EVERYONE knows that actual moon rock is orange, not BLUE! - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam H [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more BS auctions if anybody cares --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some more collection winners: Some Hematite with a silicate inclusion being sold as a meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2205567811category=3239 Mexican Coconut Geode-With A Meteorite Core?! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2205566618category=3220 Too exciting, Mercy! Spare me! There were those mocking meteorites Now these? And by the looks of it major eBay'ers. Steve Schoner/ams __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Authentic Moon Rock *g*
Maybe it's lunar blue cheeze!! Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comedy site continued
Matteo: Sorry - with all due respect, it has been a very stressful day at work and this was exactly what I needed before going home. One of the funniest sites I've seen. Matteo, thanks for bringing it to our attention. Dave I feel sorry for whoever bought that 5 gram Pultusk for 10 times the value. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comedy site continued I have sold time ago the Tessera main mass of 5+ gr. and the Tessera 1 is a piece in my collection and another in the Bologna Museum regards Matteo --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, Sorry, I thought this was brilliant! http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html I would think that we will never know the creator of this site but I know I d like to shake his or her hand! ps Anyone got any Tessera for sale? Don't recall seeing this one on the list recently I'll trade for some New Orleans (sorry Mike F. for the mention) Bring it on I say, if we cannot laugh at ourselves then who shall we laugh at? Apart from those featured on that website, that is dave The most immature member of the IMCA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bill Cassidy's latest book
For those of you who do not subscribe to METEORITE magazine, just a note on the great book review (November issue) by Br. Guy Consolmagno SJ, of Bill Cassidy's newly released book, Meteorites, Ice, and Antarctica, A Personal Account. This book is divided into three parts and Br. Consolmagno gives high marks for all three, Setting the Stage, Field Results and their Consequences, and Has it Been Worthwhile. Bill Cassidy is considered The Father of the US Antarctic search for meteorites program (ANSMET) having convinced the NSF to fund this program back in 1976. A great summary and lots of information on known Lunar and Martian meteorites found in Antarctica and elswhere. This book, ISBN 0-521-25872-3, is 349 pages and is available for $30.00. Regards, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IT'S BACK TO THE WORK FORCE
Congratulations Steve. Welcome back to the work force. Dave Hi list.I just want to let everyone know that I got a new job.I will start the 17th.It will be good to get back to the work force. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale Allende $120.00/gram
Am I missing something on this auction? Allende: 3.19 g for $46.00, with 3 hours to go. That's a little less than $16 per gram. Where does the $120 per gram come from? Inquiring minds want to know. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page...
Walter: You are certainly a crafty guy. Your subtle sense of humor is admirable. Keep up the good work! Dave Hi Walter, In reference to your email to the MetList at 4:31 PM this afternoon: I thought What a fine thing to do for the meteorite community in general. Walter would certainly be the person who would do a bang-up job on a page like this. I immediately linked to the page with a great deal of anticipation. Walter, I'm sorry, but I can't get past the first paragraph without doubling over with laughter. I am only going to give you hints as to why. #1. Sure makes me wish I could return to novice status. #2. A spell-checker wouldn't catch this- but you may want to _take heed_ as to why not. Thanks, Walter. I'm still giggling. Jerry Wallace PS...Walter, at first I was just going to send this to you...but it's just too good not to share it. My apologies for any embarrasment I might cause you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter
Would this gaseous meteorite from Jupiter be a new Clan? Inquiring minds want to know!! Dave Well, what do you know. I received a letter from the same Mrs. Rosetta Cheung regarding these meteorites from the planet Jupiter. A gas giant planet? Amazing. Steve Schoner/ams --- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, In this morning's mail, I received an unusual letter from a Mrs. Cheung in Alamo, California. The letter says they are contacting me (the recipient of the letter) for a friend who wants some help selling some meteorites in her possession. It goes on to say that some of the stones have already been identified as meteorites by the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. They list five different samples that have been identified by the museum and they list densities for the specimens but no weights. Here is the interesting information in the letter. In addition to the samples she has given us some photographs of the meteorites. During a conversation with her, one of the meteorites was identified as coming from the planet Jupiter. Imagine that, a meteorite from Jupiter! If anyone wants to pursue this, let me know and I'll give you the contact information;-) Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting
Rob and All: I was hoping to elicit some discussion on whether there was some chance of finding any of the Chicora pieces that I speculated may still be around. I didn't mean to get so far off the thread of cold hunting. I thought some of the more knowledgeable list members might provide some advice. Perhaps this is a topic for another thread. Best Wishes, Dave Hi All, On the subject of met hunting, Dave P. replied to my remark: Matson: If you want to reduce search time per (cold) meteorite find (i.e. non-strewnfield), the #1 factor is survival time -- you must maximize it any way you can: 1. Low deposition rate -- ideally a ~negative~ deposition rate: you'd prefer a surface that is deflating 2. Low annual precipitation 3. Minimal human presence - with: There is yet another way. Search a known strewn field - not one that has been picked over but one that has not. Searching a known strewn field (picked over or not) will naturally produce meteorites faster than any non-strewn field. (The discussion thread was specific to cold hunting.) Certainly if anyone wanted to find a meteorite as quickly as possible, I would direct them to Holbrook, Gold Basin, Park Forest, Allende etc. as no large strewn field is ever completely searched out, and you have the further advantage of knowing exactly what you're looking for. (Caveat on Gold Basin: this area has been searched for a long time by a very large number of people, so the rate of new GB finds is perhaps approaching the natural background rate of any good desert locale. Just look at the number of non-GB finds that have been made.) On the same subject, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: I believe Mark is perfectly right by saying that most meteorites are lying below the soil surface. I did not make any compiling but I guess if you go through all the Met. Bull's reporting meteorite FINDS, I am pretty sure that about (at least ?) half of them were found through plowing some field. You're forgetting about NWA, and more importantly Antarctica. The number of buried meteorite finds is an insignificant fraction compared to those found on the surface. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting
The comment was made that: If you want to reduce search time per (cold) meteorite find (i.e. non-strewnfield), the #1 factor is survival time -- you must maximize it any way you can: 1. Low deposition rate -- ideally a ~negative~ deposition rate: you'd prefer a surface that is deflating 2. Low annual precipitation 3. Minimal human presence There is yet another way. Search a known strewn field - not one that has been picked over but one that has not. For instance, there have been 8 falls/finds in Pennsylvania - 3 near my home town of Pittsburgh. Not many pieces have been recovered. Barring weathering, there is a good chance that these strewn fields may yet be fertile, particularly for stony meteorites. The incoming Chicora meteoroid was observed by many in 1938 and calculations indicate that the total incoming mass was around 519 tons before it exploded about 12 miles up. Only four pieces were ever recovered. I just bet there are pieces yet to be found. When I retire, I hope to search this area - it's my square mile!! Dave P. Hi Norm and List, As an exploration geologist, I spend at least 15-20 long days every month wandering the alluvial fans and dry lakes of Nevada searching for mineralized float (and, unofficially, meteorites!). Some of the remote dry lakes are almost certainly unsearched, and can cover many square miles. You might be surprised. Aside from playas on military installations (which in Nevada is a pretty big fraction!) I'm fairly confident that most of the major dry lakes in Nevada (and California) have been searched at least once by one or more competent meteorite hunters. Of course, they haven't been searched completely; indeed, no location can ever be completely searched due to the dynamic nature of playas. Putting along on my ATV, I can give a reasonably large area a pretty decent search. After several years of this, still NO cold finds. This is actually a bit surprising, though I can think of a couple factors which could bring it about: 1. your size threshold (how small a stone you will stop for) 2. too broad a search image By broad search image I mean that your primary target (mineralized float) is so dissimilar to your secondary target (meteorites) that the subconscious pattern-matching that your brain is trying to accomplish will suffer. (It's hard enough picking out meteorites among terrestrial brown and black rocks). I think the point may be that there's a pretty good chance that stones have at some point fallen on most any square mile of earth's surface. Absolutely. Even if each fall produced only a single meteorite, in any square mile you could expect a fall about once every 5000 years. However, the average number of meteorites per fall is certainly more than one (perhaps in the neighborhood of a half dozen?), so this improves things. Maybe a meteorite every 2500 years per square mile (a complex problem that requires some Monte Carlo modeling to come up with a good figure). This leads to Norm's next point: However, in most areas, survival times are short. In many areas, erosion has erased the record. In other areas, deposition has buried every trace. Exactly. I liked this wording: From the cosmic perspective, every square mile is created equal, but for us grunts on the ground, that's far from the case. Some square miles are just right. Most are not. If you want to reduce search time per (cold) meteorite find (i.e. non-strewnfield), the #1 factor is survival time -- you must maximize it any way you can: 1. Low deposition rate -- ideally a ~negative~ deposition rate: you'd prefer a surface that is deflating 2. Low annual precipitation 3. Minimal human presence Fortunately point #3 tends to go naturally with #2. It's only in the modern era of weekend warriors (and meteorite hunters!) that #3 has become an issue. Still, the historical importance of point #3 can not be ignored for iron meteorites. Chondrites wouldn't have been particularly useful to native Americans 500 years ago; irons certainly were. But detection isn't just about signal (signal in this case being the presence of meteorites); it's about signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) and scan rate. What else is sharing space with your meteorites, and how does this impact the rate you can search an area? It's not much fun looking for meteorites in a sea of basalt. Scan rate, incidentally, is the reason one should never hunt cold for meteorites with a metal detector. It is more than 50 times less efficient that visual searching. But you also don't want your scan rate to be too high or you'll miss the small stuff. Remember that there are far greater numbers of small meteorites than large ones. Searching in a car or truck is fine for finding the big ones, but most places that ~can~ be searched by car/truck in Nevada and California already have been. You'll have better luck looking
Re: [meteorite-list] Any Perseid reports?
In Pittsburgh, on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, the sky had a thin overcast. Saw 4 meteors between 11:30 pm and 2:00 am. Expected more even with the full moon. Mars was great through my C-11 telescope. Dave I spent from sunset until 11:30pm Bass Fishing on Bartlett Lake, about 40 miles northeast of Phoenix AZ. Before the moon rose we saw approximately 20 good long streaking meteors. Once the moon rose that number dropped to 5 total until we left. Mars was awesome! For those that might be interested: The lake was glass calm, air temp near 100, water temp surface 89 degrees at sundown, 86 when we left. Fishing from float tubes...9-25 feet of water, 12 bass 2 lb range all on dropshot rigs and 4 inch texas rigged senkos. Cuban rum and cuban cigars...flat waterbats and nighthawks...good friends...lots of laughs. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Any Perseid reports? Hello List, Does anyone have any reports on what the Perseids were like last night? We've had a lot of clouds this week here in Little Rock, and were completely socked in, with light rain off and on. It doesn't look much better tonight for any after-the-peak stragglers, either. I hope others of you had better conditions (in spite of the full moon) and had a good show to share with us! Thanks. Robert Woolard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Propagation
Michael: You seem to have an unfair advantage. It certainly appears that your 36g Sikhote-Alin is on Viagra. No wonder you can stud it out. Someone has already made this point: Some people on this list have way too much spare time (Dr. Blood). Regards, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Propagation
What do you get when you cross an iron with a stony meteorite? Is it a pallasite? Dave P. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteors from Southwestern Pennsylvania
Completely clouded out here south and a bit east of Pittsburgh. High thin clouds rolled in about 6 pm Monday evening and stayed that way until after 5 am. Between 5:30 am and 6:30 am, there were some very small breaks in the clouds and I saw two meteor streaks - with one being a sporadic! I was very disappointed, especially after viewing last year's storm from the Gold Basin strewn field in Arizona. I had hoped to have my friends share that great exerience. Tonight it's perfectly clear Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Cane
Rafael: I made a meteorite cane just by epoxying the magnet into a piece of pvc tubing. I did machine the tube opening so that the magnet was press fitted tightly into it. If you have a square magnet, you can also epoxy it to the end of a tube of any length. I found that the cane was not as effective as I would have liked. The area of the magnet was very small (I used a 1/2 inch diameter magnet). The cane is basically used in the same manner as a metal detector. Sweep it slowly from side to side while walking forward. I gave up using the cane and used a metal detector instead. I felt that it covered much more area in much less time. Hope this helps. Regards, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal Detector. sort of an add.
Dave: I have purchased two metal detectors from Ebay and both at reasonable prices. The Whites XLT (~$600) was not very effective at Gold Basin but my Fisher Gold Bug 2 ($500) was good. I found six small pieces at Gold Basin ranging from 10 g. to 20 g. I recommend the Gold Bug 2 for general meteorite detection. You should be able to find a reasonable bargain on Ebay. Good Hunting, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Perseids
Dear List: I spent the past two nights out at the local amateur astronomers association observatory in Deer Lakes Park (Wagman Observatory), about 20 miles northeast of Pittsburgh, PA. Sunday night was fairly clear with high thin clouds. Between midnight and 2:30 am, we saw about a dozen meteors, with maybe four being sporadic. Monday night was a bit worse with more clouds and fair ground fog, but we still saw about a dozen between midnight and 3 am (mostly through a hole directly overhead), with the brightest being a sporadic. Not a great night, but we seem to have had better luck than most other listees. Sure can't compare to the Leonids last November in Arizona!! Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Colours!
Keep in mind that the color is more likely to be from ionization of the atmosphere - nitrogen, oxygen, etc. which will glow with different colors depending upon the height where ionization takes place. Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Renaissance Wax Polish
Bill: I don't have any experience with Renaissance wax, but I have used regular paraffin wax on my Nantan and Campo and it has significantly reduced the oxidation. First melt the wax, then put the meteorite into it, completely submerged, for one half hour. Remove it and lay it on a paper towel to dry and cool. No need to remove any excessive wax - there shouldn't be any. I coated my Nantan about three months ago and it still looks great. Same for my Campo. Regards, Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Don't count us out
Hey - don't count us North Easterners out for proximity to meteorite falls or finds. I live between 20 and 30 miles from the Chicora, Bradford Woods, and Pittsburg meteorite sites. Now, if I could just find some!! Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] African meteorites are cool because...
Africa meteorites are cool becauseafter spending a few billion years in space at a temperature of nearly absolute zero, and a few seconds being heated up as they fall through our atmosphere, they are very cold when they hit the ground!! Dave Pensenstadler __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks for info on NWA 531
I recently sent out a thank you note to this list for the information some supplied on NWA 531, especially to Bernd. Since I haven't received that note, I assume it never made it to the list. So, I would like to thank everyone again for the information they provided. It was very helpful. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks for help on NWA531
Thanks to all, especially Bernd - as usual, for the information on NWA531 that I inquired about. It was very helpful. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Info needed on NWA 531
Dear Listees: Can anyone on this list provide info on the recovery date and TKW for NWA 531 (LL5)? I'm a bit confused. I haven't been able to find anything on NWA's in the Catalog of Meteorites (5th edition). And in Jensen's book Meteorites from A to Z, on page 131 there is the following sentence: Un-numbered Saharan and all other African meteorites can be found in the section immediately preceding this list. The section immediately preceding the list is a reference list on pages 125 to 130. I thought that the word preceding might be a typo, but what PROcedes the list is the Chronological list. The section on NWA's, pages 151-152, only lists specimens recovered up to 1999 (NWA 059). Jensen's book is absolutely fantastic for the info that it does contains, but I need help. Thanks, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] First Meteorite
Dear List: My first meteorite was a 21.2g. Henbury Iron, a gift in 1996 from Professor William Cassidy, the Father of the ANSMET program (U.S. Antarctic Search for Meteorites). He collects antique scientific instruments and this gift was in appreciation for an old optical polarimeter I gave to him. Since that time, I have added to my collection from most of you dealers on this list. I now have about 45 pieces in my collection, including a few that I have most recently collected myself at Gold Basin. There is nothing like collecting them yourself! This collection is nicely displayed in the Natural Sciences section of my living room. BTW, I would be really happy if anyone would like to also double my collection for free :) Dave Pensenstadler Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
