Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorites from Georgia/South

2003-06-04 Thread j . divelbiss
Ken and others, Thanx for info. The test results show 1/2 percent nickel in weight. I don't think there are any iron meteorites with that low of a nickel content. Meteorwrong!!! Way to go guys...another one flushed out into the open. Michael's experience to date is similar to others I've

Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorites from Georgia/South

2003-06-04 Thread j . divelbiss
Rob, Not sure how low the nickel content goes but according to Norton's Rocks from Space the free metal(iron w/nickel)in H chondrites is 15 to 19%, in L's it is 4 to 10%, and LL's 1 to 3%. The test results from Ken for the South Carolina meteorwrong was 79% iron and 0.5% nickel. In iron

Re: [meteorite-list] trade offer

2003-06-11 Thread j . divelbiss
tic tick tik ticc tiic ttic tikc tic tikk tiik tic Here it comes Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] trade

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869/787

2003-06-11 Thread j . divelbiss
Tom, I'd stick to Dean's and Mike's numbers. It's easier to count what went out than who has what. John Hello List, Lets take a inventory of the NWA 869 just owned by list members. I would bet we would account for a lot of it. Does any one want to count! We could email that person off

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-20 Thread j . divelbiss
Here are a couple more. 1. Mantlelite (variation on Martin's naming) 2. Gabbrolite (using gabbro as a general term for this type of deep plutonic rock) John Dave wrote: Perhaps just as a slightly cleaner version, might using HED-group peridotite rather than HED-clan peridotite be a

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group

2003-06-20 Thread j . divelbiss
Speaking of Cat Mountain again, again...I forgot one more name for the new group. Arnoldnolite ...establishing the HEAD Group JD Dave wrote: Perhaps just as a slightly cleaner version, might using HED-group peridotite rather than HED-clan peridotite be a bit better? From my

Re: [meteorite-list] contact

2003-06-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Hi Steve from Arkansas who celebrates his birthday in Tuscon with New York Geoff not Cintron Notkin...who takes nice pictures of cat-like meteorites, It is simple, off the wall collecting just takes a little off the wall thinking. Some are better at it than others. I wanted to add a couple

Re: [meteorite-list] Metal-Rich diogenite-Dazed and Confused

2003-07-02 Thread j . divelbiss
Mike, Adam and others, Let's see if I've got this straight? We started off with Mesosiderites and Diogenites. Now we have Mesosiderites, Eucrite-rich Mesosiderites, possibly (not sure)Diogenite-rich Mesosiderites, extra-Metal rich Mesosiderites, Olivine-rich Mesosiderites to plain-old

Re: [meteorite-list] Olivine Diogenite Naming

2003-07-11 Thread j . divelbiss
Adam, The naming logic seems reasonable. However, does this mean we could one day have an olivine-rich Diogenite that is not an Olivine Diogenite? Without getting into to much detail, what general criteria will it take to be called an Olivine Diogenite? Regards, John Dear List Members,

Re: [meteorite-list] Olivine Diogenite Naming

2003-07-11 Thread j . divelbiss
Adam and Greg, Thank you for the response and congratulations on being part of making meteorite history. Sorry if I seem to be trying gum up the works. I do that more than I should sometimes. I'll continue this discussion with one more set of thoughts. My personal obsession (as a novice) with

Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA member offering questionable meteorite

2003-07-12 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, Take 3 deep breaths everybody... This Jackstaw guy, also known as Derik Bowers, has been buying and selling real meteorites for a couple years now. I've bought a couple pieces from him myself. I've seen this native iron for sale from him many times before. I never thought he was

Re: [meteorite-list] Metal-rich Diogenite/Mesosiderite

2003-07-22 Thread j . divelbiss
Stefan, Adam and others: THIS METEORITE ROCKS What a beauty! John Dear List, many thanks to everyone which has been interested in my Mesosiderite special offer. I also have the official NWA number for the meteorite now, its NWA1882. I have heard that the metal rich Diogenite

Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Eisen-shale - Off Topic

2003-07-24 Thread j . divelbiss
Bernd, Being from the hills myself...my natural dumb-looked-on-my-face response would be something like... So, collecting meteorites is like collecting long, but different German words...then trading them on occasion when you have part-word duplicates? At least Mark Twain thought so. The

RE: [meteorite-list] Chassigny Chondrules

2003-07-28 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, Well I just checked out my Chassigny slic..er...fragm...er...sand grain-like speck, and it has about 5 or 6 nice round olivine crystals, and 3 or 4 small bits of black inclusion mixed in them. A really nice specimen. 20x and 40x power work best. No chondrules though...the glassy

Re: [meteorite-list] (Antarctica/desert weights) Meteorite Collecting Ban

2003-08-14 Thread j . divelbiss
Jeff and others, Could the effects of glacial movements up against the mountains in Antarctica actually keep a larger percentage of heavier pieces buried deeper in the ice longer, while a larger number of smaller pieces would have surfaced first? Since recovery teams have only been looking for

Re: [meteorite-list] FW: The Vitim event and more

2003-08-14 Thread j . divelbiss
Robert and others, Serg from the Comet Meteorite Shop told me the same thing about Vitim at the Springfield show. He said that travel to the area was long and difficult...and that more money would be needed to do a serious investigation of the site. He did say they had soil to evaluate, and

[meteorite-list] How s(low) can it get...

2003-08-22 Thread j . divelbiss
Ron, Steve and others, Things really are at a snails pace on the list these days...so slow that I thought I would pass on my meteorite revelation for the day. Looking at my Meteorite Calendar for August, it dawned on me today that the Adamana oriented meteorite owned by Robert Haag should be

Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auctions by Comet Meteorite-Shop

2003-08-22 Thread j . divelbiss
Mike, Comet Meteorite Shop is a self described team of field collectors and sellers of found(by them) and bought meteorite from different countries of Africa and the Middle East. To date I'm assuming they have strictly sold things by email, from their website, and at shows around the world.

Re: [meteorite-list] Re:Hypersonic wind tunnel testing?

2003-08-25 Thread j . divelbiss
Elton and Tom, I agree with Elton in saying that to set something up in a real wind tunnel would be a really difficut to actually acquire free time in such a facility. Maybe someone would volunteer a facility to do so. The ideal way to do it would be get some engineer (mechanical,

Re: [meteorite-list] formation of pallasites / mesosiderites

2003-08-25 Thread j . divelbiss
Al and Robert, I too doubt that we have most of the answers for the stoney-irons. (It is a lot easier to say that than something complex like Al and Robert did.) Al, Good job...you should have edited for Harry...he used a lot more words to say the same things. Actually, his book is very

Re: [meteorite-list] AD-SPADE slices for sale

2003-08-26 Thread j . divelbiss
List members and Matt, The Spade meteorite looks and reads like a very special find. Congratulations to Matt for being the one to get involved with this new find. I was wondering what meteorite was the last significant find in the US that was shared with the public like this one...with a

[meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-08-26 Thread j . divelbiss
Rob and others, I don't know the full story of the 87 kg Wagon Wound. According to the A to Z book it was found in 1932. My poorly stated question was meant to be, what are some of the recent finds (let's say the last 15 years) in the US that a few kilos became available to the public for

Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-08-27 Thread j . divelbiss
Mike and others, Mike, thanx for the response to my inquiry. There maybe a couple more we are not thinking of, but I believe this demonstrates how difficult it is to find larger pieces like the Spade piece in the states. I realize there have been more than several smaller finds(especially in

Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-08-27 Thread j . divelbiss
Ann, Bob and others, Ann, thanx for chiming in and educating me and others on some other recent big finds. I was not forgetting Bob's famous Mars finds...I just was trying to consider the bigger US finds, but obviously none were more significant than those two beauties. I see from Bob's

Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-08-27 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, I was gently reminded (by someone who would know) that Gold Basin is a L4 and not a L5..a typo error on my part. Thanks Twink. From a faux pau-ing meteorite moffit, John Rob and others, I don't know the full story of the 87 kg Wagon Wound. According to the A to Z book it was

Re: [meteorite-list] Are chondrites sedimentary rocks?

2003-08-28 Thread j . divelbiss
Bernd, Martin and others, While I don't believe chondrites are sedimentary rocks as we know them, somewhere (? where, I'm not sure) I have read simple descriptions that imply that the collecting/coalescing of chondrules into a large group (ie. a great big rock!!!) is similar/akin to the

Re: [meteorite-list] Are chondrites sedimentary rocks?

2003-08-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Mark, I totally agree with your thinking on this. I did not intend anyone to think otherwise. My comment last night was only trying to put some kind of spin on what could be the thought process when someone uses chondrites and sedimentary rocks in the same reference. So, I too agree that they

Re: [meteorite-list] Spade Versus Estacado

2003-08-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Adam and Greg, The picture (below) on Martin's site does support the similar appearance. If so, then Estacado is a special meteorite also...based on Dr. Rubin's analysis of Spade. Also, 35 miles does seem like a big strewn field but certainly not a stretch (to me) to be the same material. A

Re: [meteorite-list] Are chondrites sedimentary rocks?

2003-08-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Eric, Mark and others, Since I've opened my novice brain on this subject, I'll try to help this time. I think the settling process Eric is alluding to can in a sense be compared to taking a bunch of different size balls/BB shot and placing them in a container. Shake it a bit and what you have

Re: [meteorite-list] Spade Versus Estacado

2003-08-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Adam, Michael and especially Matt, I received a part slice of Spade from Matt today and I have to say that it is an extraordinary meteorite. In my collection I have nice slices of melts that include Chico(L6), Sahara 98362(H6), Dhofar 010(H6), Gao?(H5? from Eric Olsen), and a nice small cut up

Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-08-31 Thread j . divelbiss
(Note: I just sent this note but it is held up, do to too many addresses...you may get it again, sorry) Allen and the List, When Matt announced his new US find, Spade, I began to wonder about the other recent significant finds here in the US. Thanx to many responses I am now more appreciative

[meteorite-list] Seaching MAPS

2003-08-31 Thread j . divelbiss
hello all, When the Meteoritical Bulletins come out...I usually just print them out. Being old-fashioned I like to look at paper or a book before I look at a computer screen. However, it makes it tough to search for anything other than the my old fashioned way of just looking for it in the

Re: [meteorite-list] MAPS Subscription

2003-08-31 Thread j . divelbiss
Rob and Bernd, Thanx guys for keeping me and others straight on such things. My apologies to all. I can't blame it on smoking something good this morning...though it might help in my case. When I went to the meteoritics.org site today...I went to what I thought was the Subscribe page and

Re: [meteorite-list] MAPS Subscription

2003-08-31 Thread j . divelbiss
LAST ONE ON THIS! Just become a member of the Meteoritical Society. It is only $110.00 /year and you gets MAPS. Must be a bit more overseas. John Rob and Bernd, Thanx guys for keeping me and others straight on such things. My apologies to all. I can't blame it on smoking something good

Re: [meteorite-list] Seaching MAPS

2003-08-31 Thread j . divelbiss
Thanx to Bernd and Jeff K for letting me know the acronym for MAPS. I'm a little slow sometimes. Meteoritics And Planetary Science...DAH??? The bulletins for the new meteorites classified are supplements that typically come out in the summer. (I'm rehashing all this for the newbies and slow to

Re: [meteorite-list] eBay notices and posting quotas

2003-09-01 Thread j . divelbiss
Elton and others, The ebay sales notices are annoying, but tolerable for the most part...they have yet to come even close to raising my ire like the barrage of trivial trade offerings we used to get. Some of you may recall my tantrums over those. If they start again to any degree...I'll

Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds

2003-09-01 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, This is my last post on this. A couple corrections and additions. First off...it is Steve Schoner (not Shoner) for the 20.2 kg Glorieta Mt find. Secondly, the Spade meteorite was 8.86 kg not 8.3 kg. Thirdly...I think the four other names that I mentioned that Dirk sent us are still

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1139 and numbering NWA's

2003-09-02 Thread j . divelbiss
Chris and Mike F, I'm certainly no expert at this but as I understand it...the purchaser(first, second, third, etc.?? who knows) of a NWA meteorite may decide to ask for a number from the NonCom(group that gives out numbers/names) to give it an identity at a minimum. If they get a

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite photography scales

2003-09-05 Thread j . divelbiss
Svend and others, I would believe most are centimeter cubes. 10 millimeters in a cube...2.57 cubes in an inch, etc. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: September MeteoriteTimes Is Up (and US Finds)

2003-09-05 Thread j . divelbiss
(Note: I sent this post yesterday but it seems to be lost in the deep realms of cyberspace..maybe it impact melted into another message to another list) Geoff and others, In mentioning meteorite names and the folks involved in finding/recovering them in the US, I was remiss in not including

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite photography scales

2003-09-05 Thread j . divelbiss
Svend and others, 2.57 I must not have been awake. It is 25.4 mm per cm and 2.54 cm per inch. From the so-called Professional Mechanical Engineer, John Svend and others, I would believe most are centimeter cubes. 10 millimeters in a cube...2.57 cubes in an inch, etc. John

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite photography scales

2003-09-05 Thread j . divelbiss
Ah..good job Michael you passed the test...and you wanta meet my wife... Morgan Fairchild...ya that's it. Sheesh...I better stop now. Thanx guys for keeping me down and out...pass me the bottle, JD on 9/5/03 2:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Svend and others,

Re: [meteorite-list] THE MOON !!

2003-09-06 Thread j . divelbiss
List members, Ah the moon. Did anyone watch the special on Discovery tonight about the moon? The bottom line that was reinforced for me from that special is that the earth would not be the wondrous planet we all share without it! If it would go away today...our axis of rotation would go to

Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Meteor, Alsace France

2003-09-07 Thread j . divelbiss
Norbert, Sergey and any of the other honor-ies on the list, Congratulations on your accomplishment and honor. I would guess the competition was fierce. That show looks like one of the pilgrimages we all should make. Hope to see you all there one day. Thanx for sharing. John Hi Dave, hi

Re: [meteorite-list] THE MOON !!

2003-09-07 Thread j . divelbiss
Norbert, After reading my post from last night I realized I did a(nother) meteorite list faux pas when I speculated on the depth of your material, as in source depth on the moon. First off...I should not speculate on others material when it is in for classification...a very bad move.

Re: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting

2003-09-10 Thread j . divelbiss
Dave, Being a former resident of Western PA and now living in Eastern PA...it is hard to imagine how difficult it would be find a meteorite on the ground surface in this jungle of a state. I would suspect the high amount of precipitation and the extreme temperatures seen through the year would

Re: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting

2003-09-10 Thread j . divelbiss
it is Allen Shaw...not Alan, Sorry Allen, John Dave, Being a former resident of Western PA and now living in Eastern PA...it is hard to imagine how difficult it would be find a meteorite on the ground surface in this jungle of a state. I would suspect the high amount of precipitation

Re: [meteorite-list] PURTARANO

2003-09-11 Thread j . divelbiss
Steve and others, A few months ago I posted a thread to the list that basically said that while the Putorana looks like a mesosiderite...that when I compared it to Vaca Muerta in thin section, they look nothing alike at all. Plain and simple the Putorana looks like the basalt that it has been

Re 2: [meteorite-list] PUTORANA not PURTARANO

2003-09-11 Thread j . divelbiss
List members, I'll respond to my own thread by going one step further...recognizing that eucrites and terrestrial basalts are chemically about the same. However, looking at the few eucrites I have, they are much finer grained and less colorful than the Putorana basalt. The plagioclase needles

RE: Re 2: [meteorite-list] PUTORANA not PURTARANO

2003-09-12 Thread j . divelbiss
Matt and others, Thanx Matt for the informative review on Putorana done by real investigators, unlike myself. If others didn't notice, Matt got some credit for being part of the article/research team. The article is well done and seems to hit the issue right between the eyes. This rock is N O

[meteorite-list] Billy Martin's dog/cow shooting story

2003-09-13 Thread j . divelbiss
Randy and list members, Very good...Billy Martin told the story that he shot the dog in jest(favor to owner), and Mickey Mantle was the hunting partner who shot the farmer's cow (or was it cows?). They were members of the New York Yankees baseball team for those who are confused by all

Re: [meteorite-list] where did the ZAGAMI come from??

2003-09-15 Thread j . divelbiss
This whole thing seems ridiculous...an approximate weight of 180 to 190 grams...no background to it's history(the piece itself). Who knows, maybe it is a list member trying to be funny...if so, it's a good joke. As for being big, it sure pales in size when we look at the 2350 gr end piece in

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Denver / 'BL' meteorite

2003-09-15 Thread j . divelbiss
Bernd and others, It is hard to believe someone could confuse the BL (NWA 1685 or whatever) material with some other material. To me, the individuals with its' thick black crust, and beautiful shapes (some close to oriented) with many remaglypts are quite distinguishable. For those who own or

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Denver / 'BL' meteorite

2003-09-15 Thread j . divelbiss
List members, For those who do not know what the BL meteorite discussion is about. You would have to go back about two years ago when Dean went into one of his I can't wait for classification scenarios..he offered list members about 35 to 40 individuals of what he called/numbered BL-1, 2, 3,

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-15 Thread j . divelbiss
David and others, In reading the article on Bencubbenites I have two comments. 1. This is the first time I recall the description of the rounded metal blobs, blebs, nodules as being referred to as metal chondrules. Did anyone else notice this? The statement says something like The metal and

Re: [meteorite-list] Serious question?

2003-09-16 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, Here is my simple, romantic notion of Mars and its red-orange/yellow-brown rocks. Living here in Pennsylvania and being close to some very nice Pre-Cambrian bedrock(mafic and ultamafic) that includes metadiabase gabbro, olivine-rich gabbro, dunite-like olivine veins, and mica-rich

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] CH or CB Chondrite?

2003-09-16 Thread j . divelbiss
Jeff, Thanx for keeping me and I'm sure many others straight on these issues. We as a group are too loose about meteoritic nomenclature, and I think many(non- scientists especially) out there who publish work need to pay attention to these and other common practices in naming. Much of my

[meteorite-list] Hurricane Isabel

2003-09-20 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello All, The overall consensus here on the US east coast is that we were lucky not to get hit worse by this monster storm...Isabel. For those in it's path the damage and difficulties are bad enough. Billions of dollars in damage and millions have been without power...and many still are.

Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Kentucky?

2003-09-20 Thread j . divelbiss
Bernd, Thanx Bernd...I should have looked first. According to the attached site there are 3 impact locations in Kentucky. http://www.uky.edu/KGS/education/meteorites.html John Lots of limestone from a geology standpoint...also my good friend John Curchin gave me a wonderful shattercone

Re: [meteorite-list] Middlesboro Built In Meteor Crater, Geologists Say; Town Hopes To Cash In

2003-09-21 Thread j . divelbiss
Thanx Ron as always...well, there you go Tom...a meteoritic impact on Kentucky living. Must be a sign... John http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/09/20ky/met-5-crater0920-6646.html Middlesboro built in meteor crater, geologists say; town hopes to cash in By ROGER ALFORD

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite from Jupiter

2003-09-22 Thread j . divelbiss
Al, Would that be Neptune Mountains from Antarctica? An Og IAB found in 1964. Nice try. Watch out or Jim Strope will offering something from Uranus again. John...the Park Forest meteorite from Venus guy (April Fool's to those who forgot or were not around...see 4/1/03 for archives) Hi John

Re: [meteorite-list] sellers of meteorites on eBay

2003-09-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Yes, David is a serious collector who sells material on occasion under the name of esquel on ebay. I do not know him personally but he does have friends on the list I believe. John Dear list members; Does anyone know or has anyone had any dealings with David and Chris Gregory of Ontario

[meteorite-list] New NWA's just keep coming!!

2003-09-25 Thread j . divelbiss
List members, I know some of you guys/gals are not big NWA fans, but it is amazing to see the awesome specimens that are still coming out of Africa. For instance, Mike Farmer's new Howardite, NWA 1942 is truly an awesome specimen. I received a small slice this week and it looks like an

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hits House In Louisiana

2003-10-01 Thread j . divelbiss
Randy and others, Is it a competition to get to a fall first?...you bet it is!!!...while these guys are enthusiastic about meteorites...they are also full-time businessmen selling falls and finds. Competition (friendly?) to get there first is their business. The lesson to learn here is to get

Re: [meteorite-list] About the swedish fossile-meteorites (from the news-group archives 1997)

2003-10-02 Thread j . divelbiss
What rumor? We are serious about such things. It is more likely this type of voracious mollusk swallowed the meteoroid by mistake, and then ended up with a blockage in its' bowel that just wouldn't clear. Most of the bulky mollusk in those days probably could take a direct impact

Re: [meteorite-list] what is selling on my ebay page.

2003-10-03 Thread j . divelbiss
GOOD GRIEF! Looks like the famous COLUMBUS MAIN MASS that we all heard about over and over again has fallen out of favour. But, then again it is a new month. Nevermind... JD Hi list just want to give everyone one notice that I have some real great pieces on ebay for auction, like:columbus

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Images of UK contrail (not fireball)

2003-10-03 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, I have a simple question that I would ask the boy and his friends. Was this so-called fireball moving like a meteor or was it a stationary phenomenena like a contrail with the sun lighting it? His honest answer would clear up the whole thing...I'd think. John I'm leaning toward

Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans fall PHOTOS

2003-10-03 Thread j . divelbiss
Mike, Asia...is that near Morrocco? It isn't? :o (ohhh) Great stuff from Louisiana. I have a few questions. Any idea what the name of this one might be? New Orleans or Picayune? What's with the rusty crust...was all this material in the scum water for a day or so? Also, the the smaller of

Re: [meteorite-list] Images of Wales meteor (no boring aeroplane)

2003-10-04 Thread j . divelbiss
Bjorn, I respect your quest for knowledge and the truth...and the university environment has all the time in the world to debate such things. I, on the other hand am a serious mechanical consulting engineer who is paid a lot of money to solve difficult problems in a short time. Most often with

Re: [meteorite-list] NWA is Far Better Than Antarctica

2003-10-16 Thread j . divelbiss
Adam and others, Not to take sides on this issue...I've always been curious why the scientific community gets so caught up with the lack of information on the location of the Sahara finds when the pristine and pure Antarctica finds are only located relative to the winds and shifting

Re: [meteorite-list] Today's meteorite fall anniversary

2003-10-17 Thread j . divelbiss
Gregory, Being a big baseball fan...I was parked about 4 feet from the TV when it all occurred. My most vivid memory was the first scene of the sandwiched highway in Oakland which horrified me in an instance...yet to this day I'll never know why the announcer describing the scene we were

[meteorite-list] Question about NWA 1827 pairing

2003-10-17 Thread j . divelbiss
Bernhard and others, Owning a piece of 1827, and of one similar (still not sure of it's number), the report I have on 1827 from my supplier is that is was classified as a diogenite rich mesosiderite (and not a metal-rich diogenite...no such thing). And for those who do not own a piece of

Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Eucrite, absolutely the strangest ever seen!]

2003-10-19 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, This post is meant for fellow neophyte geologists like myself (ie. novice). The term gabbroic has to do with a suite of rocks that happens to include gabbro in its' grouping. A grouping/layering of rocks with similar minerals that reacted out of the magam, generally in the Bowen

[meteorite-list] Anomalous and Ungrouped Ordinary Chondrites

2003-10-19 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, I've always been intrigued but puzzled about the classification of a few ordinary chondrites into the black hole of assigned classification names...ungrouped and/or anomalous. Some are specified with petrologic assignments and others without. Ebay on occasion offers us Hah 180 that

Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Anomalous and Ungrouped Ordinary Chondrites

2003-10-19 Thread j . divelbiss
Norbert, Makes sense to me...it looks like some consistency is in order here. I wonder how many of these does Bernd have in an ungrouped listing, or has he gone ahead and grouped them in the LL's, etc. Are you out there Bernd??? What say? Do we have a good handle on which ones are ungrouped

Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Anomalous and Ungrouped Ordinary Chondrites

2003-10-19 Thread j . divelbiss
Norbert, I didn't read your comment very closely. It looks like you are saying it takes 5 samples to make a group. Where does that criteria come from? I know you are involved with the Society...so maybe there are known guidelines after all. thanx in advance. John Hi John, and list, As to

Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting Habits

2003-10-21 Thread j . divelbiss
Walter, Elton, Martin and others: Great threads are often difficult to maintain momentum with each additional post, let alone improve on, so I enter this message with trepidation. I began collecting about 4 to 5 years ago, not exactly sure when. My first purchases were from Mike Farmer buying

Re: [meteorite-list] AW: New Mars Meteorite Found In Morocco (NWA 1950)

2003-10-23 Thread j . divelbiss
David, Norbert and others: Statement of fact: I am a novice and I don't know exactly what I'm talking about it. Comment: With that said I find this whole subject of naming martian rocks to be somewhat difficult to sort out, or understand completely. Here goes... 1. Chassignites - very, very

Re: [meteorite-list] AW: New Mars Meteorite Found In Morocco (NWA 1950)

2003-10-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, As usual I goofed...Norbert said NWA 1950 was closer to a Chassignite and not a Nakhlite...because it is has over 50% olivine. And after reviewing the Bulletin it appears it has about 30% pigeonite(a clinopyroxene). So it really is in between a Chassignite and a Nakhlite. Which got

Re: [meteorite-list] AW: New Mars Meteorite Found In Morocco (NWA 1950)

2003-10-27 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, Just adding to my own comments: 1. I found a URL that has the gabroic triangle I mentioned in my earlier post (it is the second figure half way down webpage), and it is listed below. http://www.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/~jesnow/Ozeanboden/1998/Week1/Mineralogy.html 2. A list member from

Re: [meteorite-list] EBay analysis (preliminary)

2003-10-29 Thread j . divelbiss
Jamie, I think your decision to omit names is a good one. Anyone who follows ebay closely knows who is doing a lot or a little in general terms. It is simple to search specific buyers and sellers to see how much they have bought or sold over a period of time. Personally I could care less about

Re: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite Poster

2003-11-07 Thread j . divelbiss
Geoff, David and others: The poster is very cool. I was fortunate enough to see Geoff's final workup for the poster printing. There is a lot of great space rocks pictured to drool over. A number of great shapes, and a variety of colors and textures/patterns to really catch your eye relative to

Re: [meteorite-list] Ownership Claimed for Asteroid 433 Eros

2003-11-08 Thread j . divelbiss
$10 trillion for Eros???...I got first dibs on Vesta...and Gaspra too. I called it. I called it. Please note that... to whoever is Secretary of the New Frontier. All new Vesta HED meteorites should be sent to my PO Box address below. Please comply or we'll see you in court. From the edge of

RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse

2003-11-09 Thread j . divelbiss
James and others, Last night's total lunar eclipse was one to remember for us here in Eastern US (near Philly/Harrisburg for me). The night was ss...eerie and spooky(scary in theory). Such a moon and sky would have made a great night for Halloween. The timing was close enough for me

[meteorite-list] The Galaxy to Dust, Animal House and Odds

2003-11-10 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello All, While I was watching the visual transitions in powers of ten of the solar system at the cool website below...I was reminded of Donald Sutherland's partying professor story line about our solar system...that we could actually be in an atom located in some other beings fingernail. Far

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad -Rare Weekly Material Special

2003-11-11 Thread j . divelbiss
Just to confirm that a suspicious name like Phlogopite has been confirmed to NOT be another name for snake oil...I looked it up and it(phlogoplite) is a name for a rare iron poor mica (a mineral). A mica rich meteorite? Does this give the possibility that water might have been involved in the

Re: [meteorite-list] Korra Korrabes

2003-11-12 Thread j . divelbiss
Oxidation and overall weathering/life on earth kind of thing I would suspect makes this meteorite hard to inspect for evidence. A fresh cut face would be the best you could do in a hand sample...or obviously looking at a thin section would be ideal way to see chondrules(shape and numbers) in

Re: [meteorite-list] Korra Korrabes

2003-11-12 Thread j . divelbiss
H's are usually darker than L's...Ghubara is unusally black when cut/polished, for an L5 (it is a black L with xenoliths)...not normal for L's. Also Parnallee is not a H3...it is a LL3.6...which are lighter in color than H's. JD Hi, Last night Mark Ford and I and an enjoyable evening

Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot?

2003-11-13 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, 1. I have to admit it was not me. 2. I should be offended since the culprit used a picture of my twin brother for Tom...paternal twin of course. Shouldn't make fun of my Bucky. 3. Also, the second or third meteorite down is a fake I think...I adjusted the color towards green and it

RE: [meteorite-list] To the all happy persons of the idiot site

2003-11-16 Thread j . divelbiss
To all on lookers closer to the victim, ignore the babble, get a pan for the drool, keep out of reach...and ah, also call 911 and tell him that time can heal...and for him to get back to us after that Go ahead, JD HUH? -matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [meteorite-list] nantan

2003-11-26 Thread j . divelbiss
Roman and others, This guy has it backwards. Selling a tektite as a Nantan makes no sense. You should always sell true tektites with a descriptive type name like Indochinites, and on occasion sell the Nantans as tektites...not the other way around. Selling a Nantan as a Nantan is a real

Re: [meteorite-list] possible new illinois meteorite find

2005-05-08 Thread j . divelbiss
you never know...probably have to call it Tessera 002 -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hell, who says that you have to be a mother to have something nice happen to you on mothers day?At about 2:45 chicago time, I was doing some

Re: [meteorite-list] yahoogroups

2005-05-27 Thread j . divelbiss
yaa-hooo ! -- Original message from Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello list.I guess it was another ANTI-STEVE BASHING DAY for what I saw on the 40 or more emails I got.Well I am taking the advise of mr.herr martin and take my sales to

Re: [meteorite-list] Hidden Treasure

2005-05-29 Thread j . divelbiss
looks like the LL4 named NWA 806 JD -- Original message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Good Morning List, Dean, A few monthes ago my brother and I made the short drive to Dean Besseys 'cross the river, where we spent all our pennies on different treasures of

[meteorite-list] What are the True Color(s) of Mars ???

2005-06-03 Thread j . divelbiss
After years of studying rocks from Mars, pictures of Mars, and 500 days of closeup study of Mars with the rovers, does the science community have any idea about... What color(s) would Mars have(look like) if the rusty outer skin was pealed back to the raw, unaffected rock? Mostly light

Re: [meteorite-list] Cold, Dry and Lifeless - A New Take on Mars (and True Color?)

2005-06-03 Thread j . divelbiss
Maybe this answers my Mars color question. The opening paragraph says... New research on a green mineral that degrades easily in water and is present over much of the Martian surface is fuelling debates over the history of water and the current existence of life on the Red planet. JD

Re: [meteorite-list] another beautiful day

2005-06-09 Thread j . divelbiss
Terry, I fully support your desire to see that the List Rrichardhead cool his heals, and ultimately does not send us so much crap/spam. Otherwise ...the responsive wrath of yourself, me and others will only continue. Doing this, in spite of loyal support for Ssteve from as many as 4 to 5 list

Re: [meteorite-list] different prices of meteorites

2005-06-22 Thread j . divelbiss
Boy Oh Boy John, Where do we start and end with this one? BTW...I am so happy and relieved to be back on the List dealing with these important matters. Spending 10 long days in Maui (Hawaii) with nothing to do is a killer. That place is s boring...there is nothing to do there for

Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) iron meteorite sale,ebay and givaways

2005-06-23 Thread j . divelbiss
Would the 3 bashem triplets be a total 9, Dave? I never know with this new math from Chi-town. The total of 9 for the primary bashers might be right, but for an overall total, that number seems low... JD What is the % profit of a 3 for 1 sale that is 50% off, plus one piece for free equal

[meteorite-list] Dean Bessey material from a new supllier - what is it ?

2005-06-24 Thread j . divelbiss
Hello all, This morning I finally got to look at a new fragment of a meteorite that Dean Bessey sold as an un-cut, unclassified meteorite that is probably an LL. He sold about 5 small pieces an I bought one of them for about $5/g. The material was from a new supplier, making it somewhat

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