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-Brahin and the stuff is rusting, cook their gooses and insist in full refund (and don't email me, plase) If they refuse, but do have an IMCA-label, contact IMCA, because they spoiled that fine hobby for so many newbies. Some addition: Also care in storing irons for a constant temperature, sudden jumps to high temperatures can have devasting effects. Hehe, Lithium grease, applied on the tongue it may relieve your depressions in watching your irons rusting to pulp. NOOO just a joke! Kids, DON'T do it at home! Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von R. N. Hartman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 03:29 An: mark ford; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Our experience: You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at the boundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method if the meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteorite in an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands the cracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protecting oil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur if heated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust. The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporate for a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed to fully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional external moisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobile transmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim, and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITE TIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of the surface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as it is a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't want anyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with careful experimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve much success. Heating carefully as described in the article should give good results. Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of them seem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method works exactly the same for any two. Ron Hartman __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I use gun oil on a heated iron. Works great for me. Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 5/30/2006 9:35:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our experience: You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at the boundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method if the meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteorite in an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands the cracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protecting oil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur if heated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust. The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporate for a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed to fully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional external moisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobile transmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim, and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITE TIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of the surface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as it is a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't want anyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with careful experimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve much success. Heating carefully as described in the article should give good results. Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of them seem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method works exactly the same for any two. Ron Hartman -- ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS - Yes, Jim and Ron's method does work. Regardless of what Steve Schoner said, I have a very nice full slice of Montdieu Jim prepared some 3 or 4 years ago, and it is still in perfect condition. It works!! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Ron, I have been using Chevron brand Automatic Transmission Fluid for 6 or 7 years to stabilize iron meteorites. The only thing I did differently was dry the iron slice with a hair drier instead of an oven. I passed this technique on to several people who have been using it successfully for years. It works on all types of meteorites including pallasites. Ruben __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Irons are not all the same. It depends on the amount of water that has penetrated into the crystalline structure. Some respond well to Hartman's tech, but others do not respond to simple heat and oil. I have used my tech which involves sodium hydroxide solution with great sucess. 60% distilled water of which 10% of that is sodium hydroxide, and the rest iso-alcohol. (If one sees a layer at the bottom of the container, just add enough distilled water and stir till it goes away). Soak the specimen and I found that if one adds galvanized nails to one side, but not touching the specimen (use a plastic container) this creates an electric charge that actually removes chlorine from the specimen. The meteorite becomes the cathode and the nails become the anode, chlorine ions migrate to the anode, and the solution then turns them into salt. Now, the results. I re-soaked my problematic Mt. Dieu for 3 months in this solution with galvanized nails. At first the nails bubbled as the charge was established. I watched the meteorite flake away. Mt. Dieu is terrible for rusting. I think that it is probably the worst ruster on the planet, as bad if not worse than Nantan in my opinion. Well, after three months, I removed it and soaked it in distilled water to remove the salt and excess hydroxide. And the result is quite nice. The rust on the outside has completely flaked away revealing the crystal structure in bold relief, and the cut surface is untouched and clean. I do not add any oil or coating, and I do not have to re-etch, though I will to remove the rust spots that were there before I started the process. Steve Schoner/AMS IMCA #4470 R. N. Hartman Tue, 30 May 2006 20:34:38 -0700 Our experience: You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at the boundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method if the meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteorite in an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands the cracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protecting oil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur if heated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust. The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporate for a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed to fully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional external moisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobile transmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim, and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITE TIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of the surface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as it is a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't want anyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with careful experimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve much success. Heating carefully as described in the article should give good results. Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of them seem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method works exactly the same for any two. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known The way I see it is there are two issues with rusting: 1) water/chlorine oxygen that is in the meteorite when you buy it, Often due to etching in water based etchants or rain damage when it was in the ground - This causes rusting even if you coat it in varnish since it is just using up contaminants inside the matrix. To over come this type of rusting you need to dry the metal very well and maybe even use sodium hydroxide solution to neutralize any acid. 2) External sources of water vapor, chlorine and such: This can be prevented by using appropriate VCI and dessicant or dehumidification and keeping the specimens in a closed cabinet away from draughts and sources of water or contaminats. And this means not using bear fingers when you pick up irons! Some Irons do seem to rust no matter what you do to them, but I have succsfully stabilized 6 kilos of campo and it is as fresh as the day it was cut over a year on. The best stuff I have found is 'Lithium Grease', just spread a smear on iron slices all over on and then wipe off the excess it protects for at least 6 months... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed
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Ooops, Doug, it was really a bad joke from me and as I don't know, whether e.g. Mr.S.A. from C. will try it, when he will have decided that stones are the better wife, I have to make it clear: Lithium is toxic. (ad a lithium terapy against depressions has to be surveyed by a doc). Back to the secret knowledge of our grandmas. Egg-plants and knob celery have a strong tendency to oxidize directly after slicing, perhaps we should ask them for a proper recipe? (Cooking in olive oil with garlic and lemon and hush in the preserving jar with an affectionately painted label?) I have no major problems with rust, Simply because I don't collect that much irons, and I'm avoiding such stuff like Campo, Nantan, Dronino Co. Until now it was always sufficient to keep my irons oiled - I use the gunoil called Ballistol and only in a few cases I had to play a varnish. And ooops again: NEVER apply oil to STONE meteorites!! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 19:29 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Martin A. wrote: Hehe, Lithium grease, applied on the tongue it may relieve your depressions in watching your irons rusting to pulp. NOOO just a joke! Kids, DON'T do it at home! Buckleboo! Hey Martin, rumor is that Valium straight up in grain alcohol taken with a pinch of gun oil shaken not stirred lifts the spirits of sad irons, or at least blows them away. Too much lithium grease is hard on the chamois. (I did try white lithium grease left over from my cycling days, and it worked as well as the next grease, with the exception that it is a finer, less oily grease than most and for that it gets a minimal positive. But in the big scheme of things, even the best secret formula of gun oil can't cure cancer! If you enjoy curating like this its time to get a pet. Though, I would like to see some further discussion on dielectric greases, namely the one I used that was for spark plugs and worked fine on a crappy Campo that was thrown away which I rescued in the name of science. As Steve Schoner points out, corrosion is a redox reaction and the best bet is to make sure they go where you want their potential, or better yet, just stonewall (pun?) the flow of electrons (Remember=loss of electrons = oxidation). You need your electrons to stay put on your base metal, so an appropriate dielectric compound is the answer if you are not playing in the make-shift lab to better prepare your specimen by roasting it in the oven and drowning it in the black-magical solvents that some Merlin out there is offering. That where the dielectric grease comes in (it probably isn't a grease at all, not much more than brake oils or transmission oils are oils). Alternately, transmission fluid was suggested. A big pickle jar filled with transmission fluid ought to work well especially when heated for a time to engine temperature. It does penetrate well as someone wants to make sure it gets between the teeth of the transmission gears, not to mention all the corrosion inhibiters. But, I would still try my luck with ordinary this: http://www.midwayautosupply.com/manufacturerminorcategory.asp?Dielectric%20G re ase Or from Germany proven on especially nasty Italian specimens: http://www.international-auto.com/index.cfm/fa/p/pid/2765/sc/8140 Or something a bit more exotic along the same lines: http://www3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/aerospace/node_GS9NWKSQ ZT be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSNNJ6NQDKge/gvel_S3PQPD4JXXgl/theme_us_aerospace _3 _0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html Or, Maybe Rusty Bill has these all beat, btw since the US military knows a lot and uses it on their oriented nosecones. A material that has great dielectric properties and goes on so thin, you can't see it that comes with a light maintenance schedule. Cada quien su rollo (to each his own eggroll)... http://www.paleobond.com/MeteoriteProducts.htm Then again, it all depends on whether these roasted, char-broiled, and parboiled, chemically cured, coated and pickled pieces of metal really have a heart of a meteorite left in them or are just chemically modified vulcanized masterpieces* for boasting taxidermeteoricists. It's probably ok - but why, and loses all kinds of trace stuff near the surface...not that corrosion wouldn't have the same effect. That meteoriticistical alteration would be a good question for a museum curator as long as it is a research collection and not a Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not collection where a chunk from a junkyard would be just as an effective draw with the right promotion. Hopefully if I ever get picked up by a UFO the beings won't be so crude in their pickling methods. I'd just like to tell them that once you loose the natural look and feel of things, getting cremed is better than a slow death
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Martin A. wrote: Hehe, Lithium grease, applied on the tongue it may relieve your depressions in watching your irons rusting to pulp. NOOO just a joke! Kids, DON'T do it at home! Buckleboo! Hey Martin, rumor is that Valium straight up in grain alcohol taken with a pinch of gun oil shaken not stirred lifts the spirits of sad irons, or at least blows them away. Too much lithium grease is hard on the chamois. (I did try white lithium grease left over from my cycling days, and it worked as well as the next grease, with the exception that it is a finer, less oily grease than most and for that it gets a minimal positive. But in the big scheme of things, even the best secret formula of gun oil can't cure cancer! If you enjoy curating like this its time to get a pet. Though, I would like to see some further discussion on dielectric greases, namely the one I used that was for spark plugs and worked fine on a crappy Campo that was thrown away which I rescued in the name of science. As Steve Schoner points out, corrosion is a redox reaction and the best bet is to make sure they go where you want their potential, or better yet, just stonewall (pun?) the flow of electrons (Remember=loss of electrons = oxidation). You need your electrons to stay put on your base metal, so an appropriate dielectric compound is the answer if you are not playing in the make-shift lab to better prepare your specimen by roasting it in the oven and drowning it in the black-magical solvents that some Merlin out there is offering. That where the dielectric grease comes in (it probably isn't a grease at all, not much more than brake oils or transmission oils are oils). Alternately, transmission fluid was suggested. A big pickle jar filled with transmission fluid ought to work well especially when heated for a time to engine temperature. It does penetrate well as someone wants to make sure it gets between the teeth of the transmission gears, not to mention all the corrosion inhibiters. But, I would still try my luck with ordinary this: http://www.midwayautosupply.com/manufacturerminorcategory.asp?Dielectric%20Gre ase Or from Germany proven on especially nasty Italian specimens: http://www.international-auto.com/index.cfm/fa/p/pid/2765/sc/8140 Or something a bit more exotic along the same lines: http://www3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/aerospace/node_GS9NWKSQZT be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSNNJ6NQDKge/gvel_S3PQPD4JXXgl/theme_us_aerospace_3 _0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html Or, Maybe Rusty Bill has these all beat, btw since the US military knows a lot and uses it on their oriented nosecones. A material that has great dielectric properties and goes on so thin, you can't see it that comes with a light maintenance schedule. Cada quien su rollo (to each his own eggroll)... http://www.paleobond.com/MeteoriteProducts.htm Then again, it all depends on whether these roasted, char-broiled, and parboiled, chemically cured, coated and pickled pieces of metal really have a heart of a meteorite left in them or are just chemically modified vulcanized masterpieces* for boasting taxidermeteoricists. It's probably ok - but why, and loses all kinds of trace stuff near the surface...not that corrosion wouldn't have the same effect. That meteoriticistical alteration would be a good question for a museum curator as long as it is a research collection and not a Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not collection where a chunk from a junkyard would be just as an effective draw with the right promotion. Hopefully if I ever get picked up by a UFO the beings won't be so crude in their pickling methods. I'd just like to tell them that once you loose the natural look and feel of things, getting cremed is better than a slow death by burial in fancy boxes. It's only supposed to be a duck if it walks, talks, quacks and poops like a duck. *meteorites from Planet Vulcan, the OTHER Mercury we never can see. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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smithsonia , georgia is THE most unstable around- you can hear it crackling as it rusts! it rusts, delaminates, bends itself, etc., even in pure alcohol. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "R. N. Hartman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: "R. N. Hartman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "mark ford" [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:29:15 -0700Our experience:You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at theboundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method ifthe meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteoritein an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands thecracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protectingoil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur ifheated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust.The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporatefor a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed tofully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional externalmoisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobiletransmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim,and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITETIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of thesurface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as itis a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't wantanyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with carefulexperimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve muchsuccess. Heating carefully as described in the article should give goodresults.Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of themseem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method worksexactly the same for any two.Ron Hartman- Original Message -From: "mark ford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:07 AMSubject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownThe way I see it is there are two issues with rusting:1) water/chlorine oxygen that is in the meteorite when you buy it, Oftendue to etching in water based etchants or rain damage when it was in theground - This causes rusting even if you coat it in varnish since it isjust using up contaminants inside the matrix. To over come this type ofrusting you need to dry the metal very well and maybe even use sodiumhydroxide solution to neutralize any acid.2) External sources of water vapor, chlorine and such: This can beprevented by using appropriate VCI and dessicant or dehumidification andkeeping the specimens in a closed cabinet away from draughts and sourcesof water or contaminats. And this means not using bear fingers when youpick up irons!Some Irons do seem to rust no matter what you do to them, but I havesuccsfully stabilized 6 kilos of campo and it is as fresh as the day itwas cut over a year on.The best stuff I have found is 'Lithium Grease', just spread a smear oniron slices all over on and then wipe off the excess it protects for atleast 6 months...Mark Ford-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillMason IIISent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:21 AMTo: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownDear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up!Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and youcan't?I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn'tanybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited!Bill Mason "rusty"-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveSchonerSent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PMTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownharlan trammellThu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest,crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it fallsapart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox.i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOUgot?!MT. DIEU... P-U !Nearly impossible to cure.Steve Schoner/AMS__Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing
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Our experience: You will not remove all the moisture that gets deep into fissures and at the boundaries of the inclusions in an iron meteorite simply by any method if the meteorite is treated at room temperatures. We heat the iron meteorite in an oven to a high temperature in a protecting oil which expands the cracks and allows a protecting oil to replace the moisture. The protecting oil prevents discoloration and damage to the iron which would occur if heated otherwise. It works perfectly. None of my iron meteorites rust. The protecting oil is then swabbed over the surface and allowed to evaporate for a few days, then the remainder is removed and the surface allowed to fully dry, protecting the meteorite from absorbing additional external moisture. Such an oil is ordinary ATF as used in modern automobile transmissions. (And it is cheap!) The method was developed by my son, Jim, and has been partially described in one of my previous articles in METEORITE TIMES (November 2002) in which we described proper preparation of the surface of an iron. The details using the AFT was not discussed there as it is a bit tricky and I am not suggesting that anyone try this as I don't want anyone to burn down their kitchens or blow their heads off, but with careful experimentation someone experienced in lab techniques can achieve much success. Heating carefully as described in the article should give good results. Other techniques have been described by various preparers and some of them seem to be successful as well. But each iron is unique and no method works exactly the same for any two. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known The way I see it is there are two issues with rusting: 1) water/chlorine oxygen that is in the meteorite when you buy it, Often due to etching in water based etchants or rain damage when it was in the ground - This causes rusting even if you coat it in varnish since it is just using up contaminants inside the matrix. To over come this type of rusting you need to dry the metal very well and maybe even use sodium hydroxide solution to neutralize any acid. 2) External sources of water vapor, chlorine and such: This can be prevented by using appropriate VCI and dessicant or dehumidification and keeping the specimens in a closed cabinet away from draughts and sources of water or contaminats. And this means not using bear fingers when you pick up irons! Some Irons do seem to rust no matter what you do to them, but I have succsfully stabilized 6 kilos of campo and it is as fresh as the day it was cut over a year on. The best stuff I have found is 'Lithium Grease', just spread a smear on iron slices all over on and then wipe off the excess it protects for at least 6 months... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 10/9/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4
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Hallo Christian, beautiful slice!! :-) How was the show and the food at the Fliegerbraeu?? :-) Pictures? Sternengruss, Moni From: Christian Anger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:06:11 +0200 Hi, I got my slice of Mont Dieu nearly 4 years ago. It was a little bit rusty on the rims. I did a new polish, a new etch and since that it rests in my collection and it shows no further activity in rusting. By the way, I keep my collection room dehumidified. here's a pic of the slice: www.austromet.com/collection/Mont_Dieu_58.9g.jpg Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known and Munich show
Hi List. I purchased a 15 gm piece of Miles (which I think is one of the prettiest meteorites visually internally when sliced) I of course inspected all surfaces and edges for rust. Looked very clean. Buying from a reputable collector/dealer I assumed this specimen was treated or at the very least passed USDA inspection, sort a speak! Anyways about 3 years later I noticed my white cotton in my gem jar to have a discoloration. Upon inspection when I opened the gem jar and inspected the Miles on the backside it had cracked and was rusting like a severed vain!! All I could think was maybe it had Lawrencite disease. Since this is not covered under my Health coverage, Miles remains in my collection until I can replace it. This is the only piece of over 220 specimens in my collection to show any signs of deterioration. I even have a 300 gm complete stone of Nantan that looks fresh as the day I bought it over 5 years ago.Just my 2 cents worth is all. Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:10 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known and Munich show Hallo Christian, beautiful slice!! :-) How was the show and the food at the Fliegerbraeu?? :-) Pictures? Sternengruss, Moni From: Christian Anger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:06:11 +0200 Hi, I got my slice of Mont Dieu nearly 4 years ago. It was a little bit rusty on the rims. I did a new polish, a new etch and since that it rests in my collection and it shows no further activity in rusting. By the way, I keep my collection room dehumidified. here's a pic of the slice: www.austromet.com/collection/Mont_Dieu_58.9g.jpg Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
The way I see it is there are two issues with rusting: 1) water/chlorine oxygen that is in the meteorite when you buy it, Often due to etching in water based etchants or rain damage when it was in the ground - This causes rusting even if you coat it in varnish since it is just using up contaminants inside the matrix. To over come this type of rusting you need to dry the metal very well and maybe even use sodium hydroxide solution to neutralize any acid. 2) External sources of water vapor, chlorine and such: This can be prevented by using appropriate VCI and dessicant or dehumidification and keeping the specimens in a closed cabinet away from draughts and sources of water or contaminats. And this means not using bear fingers when you pick up irons! Some Irons do seem to rust no matter what you do to them, but I have succsfully stabilized 6 kilos of campo and it is as fresh as the day it was cut over a year on. The best stuff I have found is 'Lithium Grease', just spread a smear on iron slices all over on and then wipe off the excess it protects for at least 6 months... Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
the grand prize goes to smithsonia , ga- anybody who has HAD it knows- it destroys itself in about a week! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Bill Mason III" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "'Steve Schoner'" [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownDate: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:20:57 -0500Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't?I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn'tanybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited!Bill Mason "rusty"-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveSchonerSent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PMTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable knownharlan trammellThu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest,crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it fallsapart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox.i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOUgot?!MT. DIEU... P-U !Nearly impossible to cure.Steve Schoner/AMS__Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
In a message dated 10/9/2005 4:05:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: harlan trammell wrote: ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! Steve Schoner responded: MT. DIEU... P-U! Nearly impossible to cure. Yes, my Mt. Dieu from Alain Carion is a ruster - my between inverted commas because we all know that things may be quite different from one meteorite to another. My Tsarev has been stable for almost 20 years now, my Brahin from Ivan K. is still stable, my Campo from the Zeitschels or from David New (I don't quite remember who it was from) is still OK whereas a silicate-iron piece of the Campo del Cielo meteorite is rusting away before my eyes, ... and not to forget, Alex Seidel has heard it so often before :-), my Brenham slice has also been stable for about 20+ years now. falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing ... I don't quite agree. My Nantan didn't fall apart five seconds after sawing because it was sawn when I bought it at a Mineral Show in Ulm in 1999, and, it fell apart 10 seconds (!) after I had purchased it ;-) Good night, Bernd -- and my Montdieu, the large slice cured by Jim Hartman 3 or 4 years ago, is still fine! I suppose there are exceptions to every rule! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known
Hi, I got my slice of Mont Dieu nearly 4 years ago. It was a little bit rusty on the rims. I did a new polish, a new etch and since that it rests in my collection and it shows no further activity in rusting. By the way, I keep my collection room dehumidified. here's a pic of the slice: www.austromet.com/collection/Mont_Dieu_58.9g.jpg Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason III Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:21 AM To: 'Steve Schoner'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known Dear, I give up rusters. I'm perplexed at the people who have given up! Why can I solve the problem of continued corrosion and you can't? I'm not magic and I can understand the cause of corrosion. Why doesn't anybody start thinking what causes rust? OPEN conversation invited! Bill Mason rusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Schoner Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:46 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: POLL: rustiest most unstable known harlan trammell Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:15 -0700 ok, folks what it is? let's see the TOP 10 sweatiest, crappiest, rustiest, hear-it-crackle- as it falls apart in your hands 5 seconds after sawing, skyrox. i'll start with: tsarev, brahin, campo. what have YOU got?! MT. DIEU... P-U ! Nearly impossible to cure. Steve Schoner/AMS __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
