RE: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread S.D.Price
Ho do I post to this forum? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Schinkel Sent: 17 November 2006 05:49 To: 'Microformats Discuss' Subject: RE: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine Andy Mabbett wrote: c/f recent discussion about uF mailing

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Frances Berriman
On 11/17/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: c/f recent discussion about uF mailing lists, and my comment: For example, several academic and professional taxonomists have told me in e-mail that they would be interested in the species

[uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread S.D.Price
Hi - does anyone know of a microformat for presenting contextual link information? I want to provide information on document formats like PDF in a standard way which is useful for everyone (e.g. link PDF, 500KB). How can I use that extra span to repurpose the link using microformats? Here

RE: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread James Jory
Sam Sethi wrote: I own a wine importing company and have like you thought about a wine microformat for sometime. I have done a little bit of work on this. Maybe we could combine out thoughts and submit a new microformat for review to this list? Producer: hcard Location: geo

Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress

2006-11-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 11/16/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If you can't grab total number of pages, does your plan of absolute bird book aggregation fail miserably? I'm not sure what you think can be achieved by such an asinine

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread David Janes
Now called item-brainstorming (non-plural). We need more content in item-examples first though please [1], if anyone wants add even a little content. Regards, etc... David [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/item-examples On 11/17/06, James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Sethi wrote: I own a

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread David Janes
Fully exploit HTML [1] first, I think. Something like this: a href=http://...; id=link hreflang=en type=application/pdf title=PDF Document TitleDocument (PDF, 2 pages, 145KB)/a Beyond that, there may be overlap with media [2] Regards, etc... [1]

Re: hCite Transformations Test (was Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress)

2006-11-17 Thread Brian Suda
Thanks for that, we are certainly going to need many, many test cases. Once our HG system is back-up and working, i will be compiling lots of examples, so please do keep coding-up some examples. On 11/17/06, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, when I do a transformation, I

[uf-discuss] hRewiew and blockquote check

2006-11-17 Thread Frances Berriman
Is this allowed (it is picked up by tails, but is it correct)? (using cite inside a blockquote so that it can be associated as the source of the quote and the reviewer of the hReview - or should I have the class=hreview on a div exterior to the blockquote and also the cite after the

RE: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Mike Schinkel
Frances Berriman wrote: On 11/17/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: c/f recent discussion about uF mailing lists, and my comment: For example, several academic and professional taxonomists have told me in e-mail that they would be

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Frances Berriman
On 11/17/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What cross posting? Are you trying to say it's inappropropriate to bring up a prior discussion when it is relevant to the current discussion? I didn't really mean what you said. The prior part you quoted regarding splitting the mailing list

RE: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread James Jory
Andy Mabbett wrote: It would be possible to mark up grape varieties, yeast and, indeed, Botritis, using the 'Species' microformat. Say: Yes, I've looked at species for this purpose and it certainly works for parts of the wine industry. However, at this point at least, we're more interested in

Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress

2006-11-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I'm going to challenge you here, Andy, because this is yet another time (e.g. not the first) when I think you're stepping over the line. You're being hostile, and I don't think it's appropriate for productive discussion. I agree. Peace, Scott

[uf-discuss] Re: Exporting Hcard data

2006-11-17 Thread Michelle Tarby
OK, I'm making progress - I wasn't passing any kind of ID, so that's why X2V would just spin away. What I have noticed is that it looks like the vCard that's generated adds a bunch of extra commas, so I'm guessing I don't have my page formatted correctly. div class=vcard span class=n

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Exporting Hcard data

2006-11-17 Thread Frances Berriman
On 11/17/06, Michelle Tarby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'm making progress - I wasn't passing any kind of ID, so that's why X2V would just spin away. What I have noticed is that it looks like the vCard that's generated adds a bunch of extra commas, so I'm guessing I don't have my page

[uf-discuss] Exporting Hcard data

2006-11-17 Thread Michelle Tarby
Thanks - I didn't think it did, but this is my first attempt at this, so I figured it was better to learn the correct way to do it! Here's what my vCard looks like when I am done - I don't understand where the commas or the CHARSET declaration are coming from: BEGIN:VCARD

Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 11/16/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If you can't grab total number of pages, does your plan of absolute bird book aggregation fail

Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes the total number of pages in a cited article, book-chapter, or other section of a publication Whether I paraphrase a section on page 4 of Brian's _Using Microformats_ book, or get a direct quote from that

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Skiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes hItem is a bit vague on purpose to make it flexible, but in general, i think it will be most useful for describing physical goods. Consider these two examples. A bottle of wine is an item. So is the case of 12 bottles in

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes a id=link Why ID? Why not class? hreflang=en type=application/pdf I wonder how widely used those two are, in real life? -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett wrote: It would be possible to mark up grape varieties, yeast and, indeed, Botritis, using the 'Species' microformat. Say: Yes, I've looked at species for this purpose and it certainly works for parts of the wine

RE: [uf-discuss] Exporting Hcard data

2006-11-17 Thread Steve Robillard
Michelle, They are part of the transformation done by x2v and are part of the vcard spec. If you run one of the sample cards through you will see they are there as well Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Tarby Sent:

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard real world application

2006-11-17 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 14, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Gary Barber wrote: I have been slowly implementing microformats across our clients sites. However I have noted a number of instances within a few addresses that just don't seem to fit in microformats. *Case 1* Reply Paid Addresses How about

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard - Telephone types (cell, office etc)

2006-11-17 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Frances Berriman wrote: On 11/14/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/14/06, Ciaran McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: abbr title=cell class=typeOffice/abbr Sorry, abbr title=cell class=typeMobile/abbr makes more sense. Does that work? I can't

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard and ATTN text?

2006-11-17 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 14, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: MyCompany Inc., ATTN: Joe Blow, 123 Somewhere Ave W Vancouver BC WWW111 Now, I'm not sure what to do with the ATTN: Joe Blow. You can use 'extended-address'. -ryan ___

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 11/17/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: c/f recent discussion about uF mailing lists, and my comment: For example, several academic and professional taxonomists have

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard real world application

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Freecall numbers vCard has no such categories, so there's currently no way to say this in hcard. As I noted recently, on the hcard-issues page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues: The type for tel lacks

[uf-discuss] Re: Exporting Hcard data

2006-11-17 Thread Michelle Tarby
Thanks - that makes sense to me now. My last question is when I import one of the cards into my Thunderbird address book, the name comes in like this: Michelle=C2=A0Tarby I've tried both using nbsp; and #160; and both give the same result. Is it a Thunderbird issue, or is my hCard

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-17 Thread Eric Skiff
If I mark up the apartment block with all of its aforesaid components, in a nested manner, and apply a height, does it apply to the block, or the brick? In the immortal words of Bill Ted: Whoa. Aside from the philosophical implications of marking up any thing as a hItem or even a tree of

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-17 Thread David Janes
On 11/17/06, Eric Skiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that the work you're doing right now on hItem could be some of the most important microformat work yet. I'm sure you've already made the connection I just came to, but here's why I'm excited. I'm not sure if I'm that excited :-) but I

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread James Jory
Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett wrote: It would be possible to mark up grape varieties, yeast and, indeed, Botritis, using the 'Species' microformat. Say: Yes, I've looked at species for this purpose and it

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eric Skiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes To look at a real world example, FreshDirect sells both single items and bulk cases. They're each treated as a single row in their product database, without worrying about nesting 12 individual cans of soup in the case And do

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Yes, I've looked at species for this purpose and it certainly works for parts of the wine industry. Thank you - but which parts of the wine industry uses grapes and yeast which are (or were) not living things? What I was

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread Ben Ward
On 17 Nov 2006, at 18:45, Andy Mabbett wrote: hreflang=en type=application/pdf I wonder how widely used those two are, in real life? I'd suggest that hreflang is close to minimal, not least because there's an assumed (though probably not specified) implication that link targets are going

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes type=application/pdf I wonder how widely used those are, in real life? @type is increasingly used and useful though. Auto-discovery mechanisms use type=application/rss+xml and application/atom+xml to recognise XML feeds. Thank

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread David Janes
id=link was just left over from the original example. On 11/17/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes a id=link Why ID? Why not class? hreflang=en type=application/pdf I wonder how widely used those two are, in real

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: wine

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I was getting at was that the typical wine consumer and the content providers catering to wine consumers are less interested in the scientific classification of a particular grape or yeast and more interested in where to

Re: [uf-discuss] Contextual link information using microformats

2006-11-17 Thread David Janes
In Canada, and I suspect many other places in the world, links to documents and pages in other languages is relatively common. One can also image that links to English language pages and documents from non-English language pages is common, due to the preponderance of English language documents

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-17 Thread Aaron Gustafson
David Janes wrote: I'm not sure if I'm that excited :-) but I definitely think there's a gap that can be filled (i.e. that hReview/hListing identify people directly but only things indirectly). It's possible, but this is very speculative, that this could simplify the path for creating new

[uf-discuss] RE: QnA microformat(s)

2006-11-17 Thread Korby Parnell
Hi-- I can't seem to find any information about question and answer microformats on microformats.org. Insofar as I'm new to this list, has there been any backchannel discussion about distributed QA systems and a microformat or microformats to support them? Many Thanks, Korby Parnell Product

[uf-discuss] rel=license and citation

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
hReview can use rel=license to show that the license, not the page itself, is available under a certain license. Why not do the page for citations, so that I can cite, say, a Wordsworth poem, and indicate that the poem, but not my page, is public domain? -- Andy Mabbett Say NO!

[uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
I'm starting to look at using rel=license. Am I right in thing that it can be used to indicate that a page is NOT available under a license, as well as for those that are? For instance: This page is a rel=license href=http://www.example.com/copyrightcopyright Example Ltd.

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-17 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, On 11/17/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to look at using rel=license. Am I right in thing that it can be used to indicate that a page is NOT available under a license, as well as for those that are? For instance: This page is a rel=license