Re: Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread Chris Messina
I don't think that makes any sense. You should make positive assertions about data, not negative ones... and why bother with a not-a-license schema? There's far too many negatives... as in licenses that it wouldn't be I think we ought only deal with what things *are* and not what they

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 11/17/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that makes any sense. You should make positive assertions about data, not negative ones... Why? Andy is in fact trying to make a negative assertion, of the license token. and why bother with a not-a-license schema?

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and citation

2006-11-18 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 07:16 +, Andy Mabbett wrote: hReview can use rel=license to show that the license, not the page itself, is available under a certain license. You meant ... to show that the contents of the hReview itself is licensed, not the page ... Why not do the page for

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: QnA microformat(s)

2006-11-18 Thread Frances Berriman
On 11/18/06, Korby Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi-- I can't seem to find any information about question and answer microformats on microformats.org. Insofar as I'm new to this list, has there been any backchannel discussion about distributed QA systems and a microformat or microformats

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: QnA microformat(s)

2006-11-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Korby, On 11/17/06, Korby Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi-- I can't seem to find any information about question and answer microformats on microformats.org. Insofar as I'm new to this list, has there been any backchannel discussion about distributed QA systems and a microformat or

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
The _link_ itself isn't a negative assertion; the negative assertion is in the rights conferered on others by the license that is linked to. Copyright Me, All Rights Reserved is a good a legal license a Free For All, Help Yourself. The URI could be to the copyright office. Regards, etc... David

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread kota the vantguarde
Hello, On 11/18/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to look at using rel=license. Am I right in thing that it can be used to indicate that a page is NOT available under a license, as well as for those that are? For instance: This page is a rel=license

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
Of course. I retract my last message. Orthogonal issues. Regards, etc... On 11/18/06, kota the vantguarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On 11/18/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to look at using rel=license. Am I right in thing that it can be used to indicate that a

[uf-discuss] Clarification on hListing

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
I'm looking at the schema for hListing [1] and I have a question: is the item explicitly marked as class=item? It's not clear from the markup. Regards, etc... David [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting#Schema -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com

Re: [uf-discuss] Clarification on hListing

2006-11-18 Thread Brian Suda
On 11/18/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at the schema for hListing [1] and I have a question: is the item explicitly marked as class=item? It's not clear from the markup. Yes, it is abit confusing and contracitory. In the schema it says Optional, but then in the Item

Re: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
I would suggest there's a serious issue with what you've produced so far, insofar as you have seemed to come up with the microformat first rather than doing analysis of what's currently in use on the web and also what's currently being done in other microformats. For example, hListing and

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and citation

2006-11-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Linksvayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 07:16 +, Andy Mabbett wrote: hReview can use rel=license to show that the license, not the page itself, is available under a certain license. You meant ... to show that the contents of the hReview

Re: [uf-discuss] rel=license and copyright

2006-11-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes and why bother with a not-a-license schema? There's far too many negatives... as in licenses that it wouldn't be Andy might want to name one (or a few) specific licenses that it is not. No, thanks. -- Andy

[uf-discuss] PROPOSAL: keep it simple; make it extensible?

2006-11-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
Rather than trying to devise a microformat (hThing or hItem) that can describe any thing (or at least any physical thing), with all the possible or probable properties that might entail: would it perhaps be better to define a re-usable wrapper, and say that any microformat(s) or properties inside

Re: [uf-discuss] PROPOSAL: keep it simple; make it extensible?

2006-11-18 Thread Chris Messina
The fact that this effort seems vague and non-specific to begin with seems to preclude it from ever gaining adoption; additionally, finding existing behavior would be a challenge, not to mention the limited semantic usefulness of knowing that something is a thing or item. What *specific*

Re: [uf-discuss] PROPOSAL: keep it simple; make it extensible?

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
My current plan is (and has been) to keep it as simple as possible and _not_ to try to solve the everything problem. In particular, my current thinking is here [1] which basically says do the same thing with item from hReview/hListing as was done to adr and geo from hCard, add a missing field or

Re: [uf-discuss] PROPOSAL: keep it simple; make it extensible?

2006-11-18 Thread David Janes
My primary goal is to document an existing behavior, that items are referred to and used in microformats today. If you'll care to look at the examples found so far and also the usage in existing microformats, you'll see that this is clearly an _existing behaviour_, insofar as hListing and hReview

Re: [uf-discuss] PROPOSAL: keep it simple; make it extensible?

2006-11-18 Thread Chris Messina
Fair enough. Awhile back I talked to Tantek about micro-patterns as opposed to data-bearing formats. This seems more a discussion of design patterns and templates than of formats, but I'll give the examples a look over. Chris On 11/18/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My primary goal

[uf-discuss] Ma.gnolia Blog: JSON, HTML, and Microformats. Oh, My!

2006-11-18 Thread Chris Messina
In case anyone missed it... something to play with and offer ideas for: http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/11/14/json-html-and-microformats-oh-my Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412

RE: [uf-discuss] hThing microformat ... or design pattern

2006-11-18 Thread Mike Schinkel
To all: Well, looks like it's time for me to inject my two cents. I had planned to bring this to the group later when I had time to focus on it, but looks like the ship is sailing so I better get on board or left behind... BTW, I'm not presenting the following to be contrary to anyone else's