[uf-discuss] Using the include pattern to indicate the location of "more complete" hCards

2007-02-13 Thread Colin Barrett
While reading through the mess about authoritative/more complete hCards, I wondered if using/extending the existing include "micropattern" would be a smart move. @data looks to already be a URI ("#j" is the URI given in the example on the include-pattern page). Thoughts? -Colin _

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Benjamin West
I disagree. You should be practicing accessible, progressive enhancement. Agreed, so I don't think we're in disagreement. This was the reason for my comment. The first example does have a URI, it's the relative path to Waldorf-Astoria-Photo.html and should be set up to work from a spider, scri

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Danilo Medeiros
Hi there Ben, g'day! I must say I agree with nearly everything you've just said. I was thinking along the same lines, and trying to figure out ways to incorporate current microformats into play (no pun intended). As Frances has gently put, it would be possible to incorporate a lot from the hcard f

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread James Craig
Benjamin West wrote: > > photo > > > > The best practice is to wire the event up, and to use a button when > > the element is not truly a link. How is this not a link? You can link to a template that takes the data as a parameter: photo The difference, of course, is the first example d

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Benjamin West
> > photo > > > > The best practice is to wire the event up, and to use a button when > > the element is not truly a link. How is this not a link? You can link to a template that takes the data as a parameter: photo The difference, of course, is the first example doesn't have a URI. Your e

Re: [uf-discuss] Training events in hResume

2007-02-13 Thread Rob Crowther
On 13/02/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Sometimes" is not enough. We're trying to work with the 80 side of the 80/20. I have nothing against improving hResume here, but we shouldn't add features that only a minority of people would use. Well 83.3% of my examples had some sort of dis

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Buchanan
I´m trying to find information about microformats in sports, more specifically football (soccer for the americans). I´m involved in a project that will expose lots of data such as match results, scouts, player information and the like, and could not help but think about using microformats to expos

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritative hCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) more authoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate anauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 13, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Ryan King wrote: And if the uid is not an url, then authors can't assert authority, correct? I'm not even considering authority for now. We need to just deal with related hCards first. I'm no longer clear on what you're proposing, Ryan. I thought you were

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Frances Berriman
On 13/02/07, Danilo Medeiros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... interesting to use hcard for player information. I find the hcard microformat closely tied to the semantic concept of "contacts" rather than "persons", if you will. When I think about what information should be presented about a player

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Danilo Medeiros
Thank you so much Francis. Sorry about the mess, it's been a while since I've used mail lists :-) One thing that I would like to understand better is how to use or maybe extend an existing microformat. One example: you've mentioned it would be interesting to use hcard for player information. I fin

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritative hCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) more authoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate anauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 11, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Ryan Cannon wrote: On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Forcing the religion of "uids should be urls" on the rest of the world is not why we are here. Making it easy for authors to connect their web content and web apps with the semantic web is. If so

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritative hCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) more authoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate anauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 12, 2007, at 6:36 AM, Ryan Cannon wrote: On Feb 12, 2007, at 8:16 AM, David Janes wrote: a globally unique identifier corresponding to the individual or resource associated with the vCard. (from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt) Is RK's UID http://theryanking.com/blog/contact/#vcar

Re: [uf-discuss] VIA or VIA SELF to indicate authoritative hCard[was:UID URL to indicate (relatively) more authoritativehCard(Was:Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate anauthoritative hCard)]

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Ryan King wrote: First off, I'm not saying we should constrain UID to be a URL, but in the case that it *is* a URL, we can apply these semantics. And if the uid is not an url, then authors can't assert authority, correct? I'm not even conside

Re: [uf-discuss] Training events in hResume

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan King
On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:23 AM, Rob Crowther wrote: On 12/02/07, Pat Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Training being a learning experience, I would think marking it up as education is appropriate. But work is (or perhaps should be) a 'learning experience' too. It's not quite the same thing, but

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Scott Reynen
This looks like a new microformat proposal, which we should start moving to the microformats-new list: http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new/ Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.or

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Frances Berriman
On 13/02/07, Rob Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 13/02/07, Frances Berriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just off the top of my head, you might think about combining hCard and > hReview to describe a player and their abilities (or maybe even > hResume for their sporting careers). Both c

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Rob Crowther
On 13/02/07, Frances Berriman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just off the top of my head, you might think about combining hCard and hReview to describe a player and their abilities (or maybe even hResume for their sporting careers). Both could also apply to teams. Also hCalendar could describe tr

Re: [uf-discuss] SOURCE+URL to indicate authoritative hCard (was UID+URL vs. VIA)

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Feb 13, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: SOURCE in vCard is essentially the same as self in Atom (AFAICT). I think SOURCE is actually closer to VIA in Atom, as "the source of the information provided in the containing element," which is why I suggested it. As I understood the arguments

Re: [uf-discuss] Training events in hResume

2007-02-13 Thread Pat Ramsey
Good points. My experience or my perspective must differ from others. I can see how some training events could fall under education, while others are more clearly considered training. Being who I am, training to me is a learning experience. Even on the job training is what I consider kinesthetic a

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Frances Berriman
On 13/02/07, Danilo Medeiros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear friends, This is my first post to the list, so please forgive me if this is inappropriate. Hi Danilo, welcome to the -discuss list. :) I´m trying to find information about microformats in sports, more specifically football (soccer

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Frances Berriman
On 13/02/07, Danilo Medeiros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear friends, This is my first post to the list, so please forgive me if this is inappropriate. Oh, and just as a little bit of house-keeping - be sure to trim your replies a little better - you'd obviously responded to the list by replyi

[uf-discuss] Microformats and Football

2007-02-13 Thread Danilo Medeiros
Dear friends, This is my first post to the list, so please forgive me if this is inappropriate. I´m trying to find information about microformats in sports, more specifically football (soccer for the americans). I´m involved in a project that will expose lots of data such as match results, scouts

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Christian Heilmann
On 2/13/07, Ara Pehlivanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/12/07, Benjamin West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roger, > Neat stuff. I thought it was pretty good, but take some issue with the > following: > > photo > > The best practice is to wire the event up, and to use a button when > the elem

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Ara Pehlivanian
On 2/13/07, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: is a valid HTML4 tag. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.5 Tantek Ouch. Having been schooled, Ara crawls ashamedly under a rock to lick his wounds. A. ___ microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/13/07 4:30 AM, "Ara Pehlivanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/12/07, Benjamin West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Roger, >> Neat stuff. I thought it was pretty good, but take some issue with the >> following: >> >> photo >> >> The best practice is to wire the event up, and to use a bu

Re: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-02-13 Thread Ara Pehlivanian
On 2/12/07, Benjamin West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roger, Neat stuff. I thought it was pretty good, but take some issue with the following: photo The best practice is to wire the event up, and to use a button when the element is not truly a link. Something more like: photo or even bett

Re: [uf-discuss] Training events in hResume

2007-02-13 Thread Rob Crowther
On 12/02/07, Pat Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Training being a learning experience, I would think marking it up as education is appropriate. But work is (or perhaps should be) a 'learning experience' too. It's not quite the same thing, but most application forms I've filled in have had se