Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread David Janes
Blogger is changing their template format. No word on hAtom [1] Regards, etc... David [1] http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/02/on-open-letter-to-blogger/ On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I definately vote picking one standard and sticking to it. As with date formats,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, On 9/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be used too

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello David, Just out of curiosity, was this inside or outside of Canada? On 9/21/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll just jump in here: I've worked in finance, treasury, risk management and banking for the last 10 years. I've only seen CAD used technically to refer to Canadian

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Scott, On 9/21/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: Parsers like only having one format to work with. Let people display what they will, the machine-readable should be consolidated. I agree. Publishers also like having only

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: For currencies... We could specify one standard currency -- ISO 4127 3 letter codes -- for now (which would make these people happy). But also think to the future about if people change out minds (and don't want to use ISO 4127

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-22 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Scott, On 9/22/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: For currencies... We could specify one standard currency -- ISO 4127 3 letter codes -- for now (which would make these people happy). But also think to the future

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD. However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars. I don't believe 'CDN' is from a standard... it's a common misnomer ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD. However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars. I don't believe 'CDN' is from a standard... it's a common misnomer I agree that no organization

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Gazza
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 17:59: Hello, On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD. However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars. I don't believe 'CDN' is from a

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 9/21/06, Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 17:59: Hello, On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD. However, I have also seen the code CDN used

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Joe, On 9/21/06, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: But aren't Microformats about just documenting what people are already doing. (I.e., the cows path thing.) Instead of trying to TELL THEM what they should or must be doing. If that's the case, then

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I, too, will testify that Tantek's just-the-facts-ma'am writing style grows on one over time. I can assure you it won't grow on me; though just the facts would be an improvement on his recent messages. -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be used too without (potentially) breaking this or other Semantic HTML systems (that

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Yes, I agree that we should be using ISO 4127 codes. (I guess my original argumement has gotten lost in the blast of e-mails.) What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in there too so that other currency

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 9/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be used too without

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 9/21/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Yes, I agree that we should be using ISO 4127 codes. (I guess my original argumement has gotten lost in the blast of e-mails.) What I'm arguing is that... we should throw

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I'm arguing is that... we should throw an iso4127 class name in there too so that other currency codes (besides ISO 4127) could be used too without (potentially) breaking this or other Semantic HTML systems

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Looks like there are many others: There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian dollar from others: while the ISO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization currency code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217 *CAD* (a three-character code

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread David Janes
I'll just jump in here: I've worked in finance, treasury, risk management and banking for the last 10 years. I've only seen CAD used technically to refer to Canadian dollars and anyone, from a banking/finance _technical_ perspective, is probably mostly interested in consuming that form of

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
A little detail. Shoulnd't it be: abbr class=currency title=Canadian dollarC$/abbr ? CAD being itself an abbreviation. BTW, I think in this context currency as a class name makes sense. I proposed earlier having a currencyamount class name that would contain a value (expressed as text or

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/21/06 3:34 PM, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like there are many others: There are various common abbreviations to distinguish the Canadian dollar from others: while the ISO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization currency code

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-21 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: Parsers like only having one format to work with. Let people display what they will, the machine-readable should be consolidated. I agree. Publishers also like having only one format to work with. Peace, Scott

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I have, therefore, put up a straw-man proposal, at: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency- brainstorming#Straw_man_proposal Please feel free to critique it, and, in particular, highlight any examples for which it does not cater. Nesting

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
looks very good - nice and simple and functional :) On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The proposal for a 'currency' microformat, for marking-up amounts of money, seems moribund. This is unfortunate, as a number of other formats (hListing, job, hReview, book, etc.), might make

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy at work, and lost track of the thread.) But here's what we are doing... Something that renders as... $5.00 Would have the markup... abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00 Also... I add the

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes looks very good - nice and simple and functional :) Thank you. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy at work, and lost track of the thread.) I think it meandered somewhat... But here's what we are doing... Something that renders as... $5.00

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy at work, and lost track of the thread.) I think it meandered somewhat... But

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
Andy, I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki. Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. Could you please create the following pages and fill them out? http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: abbr class=currency title=USD span class=amount42.67/span /abbr Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD? I've commented before that microformats already misuse abbr in this way. Where is that? I don't remember

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Gazza
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 22:38: abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00 So a class name like currency-symbol or currency_symbol would be better. I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has already been dismissed. Andy,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki. Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any relevant parts to the brainstorming page. Noted, and thank you. Usually, when talking about currency,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: abbr class=currency title=USD span class=amount42.67/span /abbr Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD? I've commented before that microformats

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki. Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes span class=currency span class=type$/span span class=value5.00/span /span Dollars is a currency. Five Dollars is money. No, money is a currency, metal is another type of currency. Dollars is a /type/ of currency. Even if so,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki. Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. Could you please create

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [...] I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way ISO8601 is used for dates,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in geo,

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way ISO8601 is

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

2006-09-20 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: No. You're not in a position to stipulate requirements (much less required prerequisites (sic)) of me, and your insinuations of bias are unfounded. We all have bias. I'm interested in a currency microformat because I work on several