Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-26 Thread Ryan King
On May 25, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On May 25, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: What problem is this solving? What human readable content is this marking up? This is sounding off-topic for microformats. Am I missing something? I don't think it's about publishing microfor

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Al Gilman
Pardon what may sound like a late hit, but please let me point out that the most low-level and hence most useful of these random-access URIs (leading to an un-ID-ed point in the cited page) is now available in running code to all of us. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2005Sep/0

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/25/06 10:46 AM, "Scott Reynen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > >> There is already an easy solution that works for publishers (ID). >> >> Inventing a more complex solution will not result in more adoption. > > My understanding of "HyperScope

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 25, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: There is already an easy solution that works for publishers (ID). Inventing a more complex solution will not result in more adoption. My understanding of "HyperScope" would accomplish a bit more than ID attributes could. While a standard me

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
Ben, I think you provide an excellent summary. On 5/25/06 10:00 AM, "Ben Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tantek Çelik wrote: >> But discussions of extending URL/URI semantics for addressing bits of >> information? I'm not sure that actually has much bearing on parsing >> microformats. But l

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Chris Casciano
On May 25, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Ben Ward wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: But discussions of extending URL/URI semantics for addressing bits of information? I'm not sure that actually has much bearing on parsing microformats. But like I said, perhaps I am missing something. I don't know if my inter

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Christopher St John
On 5/25/06, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to have 'microformats must have an ID' as part of each spec. Note that requiring id's complicates authoring (first, you gotta come up with one, and unless you pick very wisely, you risk conflicts when

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Ben Ward
Tantek Çelik wrote: But discussions of extending URL/URI semantics for addressing bits of information? I'm not sure that actually has much bearing on parsing microformats. But like I said, perhaps I am missing something. I don't know if my interpretation brings this on topic or just clarifie

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/25/06 9:25 AM, "Scott Reynen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 25, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > >> What problem is this solving? >> >> What human readable content is this marking up? >> >> This is sounding off-topic for microformats. Am I missing something? > > I don't thi

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 25, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: What problem is this solving? What human readable content is this marking up? This is sounding off-topic for microformats. Am I missing something? I don't think it's about publishing microformats, but rather parsing microformats. That may

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
What problem is this solving? What human readable content is this marking up? This is sounding off-topic for microformats. Am I missing something? Thanks, Tantek On 5/25/06 8:46 AM, "Chris Messina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ooo.. that would be cool... I might sound dumb by saying this, bu

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Chris Messina
Ooo.. that would be cool... I might sound dumb by saying this, but would that be like a RESTian way of accessing data in a microformatted page? Chris On 5/25/06, Dimitri Glazkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, this is like W3 Selectors for URLs? :DG< On 5/25/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
So, this is like W3 Selectors for URLs? :DG< On 5/25/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 25, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Chris Messina wrote: > how do we create URIs for partial bits of data like a word > or hcard in the middle of a paragraph? > > http://www.eekim.com/blog/tech/hyperscope

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 25, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Chris Messina wrote: how do we create URIs for partial bits of data like a word or hcard in the middle of a paragraph? http://www.eekim.com/blog/tech/hyperscope/hyperscopeuri.html I'm not sure that's really the question being asked by Eugene. It sounds like the

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Christopher St John
On 5/25/06, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They're called "fragment identifiers" and they're common practice already in (X)HTML: It's often convenient to be able to point to bits of a document that haven't been annotated with fragment identifiers. -- Christopher St. John http://artofsy

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Ryan King
They're called "fragment identifiers" and they're common practice already in (X)HTML: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/intro/intro.html#h-2.1.2 -ryan On May 25, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Chris Messina wrote: Eugene has posted an interesting issue that might benefit from some mF insight... how do we

Re: [uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Angus McIntyre
At 01:04 -0700 25.05.2006, Chris Messina wrote: Eugene has posted an interesting issue that might benefit from some mF insight... how do we create URIs for partial bits of data like a word or hcard in the middle of a paragraph? Referencing particular document fragments within an XML document (

[uf-discuss] Addressing bits of information

2006-05-25 Thread Chris Messina
Eugene has posted an interesting issue that might benefit from some mF insight... how do we create URIs for partial bits of data like a word or hcard in the middle of a paragraph? http://www.eekim.com/blog/tech/hyperscope/hyperscopeuri.html Chris ___ m