Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Benjamin West
On 2/2/07, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 02/02/07, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't believe anyone has said they are only willing to participate > in the -admin list secretly. But a few haven't said anything at all, > I assume because they're busy people. I expec

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Martin Owens
On 02/02/07, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't believe anyone has said they are only willing to participate in the -admin list secretly. But a few haven't said anything at all, I assume because they're busy people. I expect they'll be happy to add their names to the public regist

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Scott Reynen
On Feb 2, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Second, why exclude anyone who "hasn't already publicly declared their participation?" For the same reason I don't publish personal emails to me: I respect others' privacy. I believe it's their decision to make, not mine. There is a culture

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Michael McCracken
On 2/2/07, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/2/07, Joe Andrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to be clear here. This is not about a witch hunt or empty > rebellion. The leadership has NO external checks and balances. Even the > most private non-profit organization in the united st

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread David Janes
On 2/2/07, Joe Andrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I want to be clear here. This is not about a witch hunt or empty rebellion. The leadership has NO external checks and balances. Even the most private non-profit organization in the united states (I can't speak for other jurisdictions), must hold

RE: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Joe Andrieu
Colin Barrett wrote: > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:05 AM > To: Microformats Discuss > Subject: Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's > moderation] > > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: > > > And to say that the community

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread David Janes
On 2/2/07, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: > And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's > action is about as valid as saying the American public had a say in > George Bush's recent troop increase. You are treading dangerously clo

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-02 Thread Colin Barrett
On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Joe Andrieu wrote: And to say that the community had a say in Tantek's action is about as valid as saying the American public had a say in George Bush's recent troop increase. You are treading dangerously close to invoking Godwin's Law[1] here, and a number of ot

RE: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Andrieu
Benjamin West wrote: > > Moderation is a form of punishment, whether it is seen that > way by the > > cabal or not. It ostracizes the moderated and prevents them from > > participating in the community like everyone else. In this case, it > > has made Andy a second-class uF citizen whose posts

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Benjamin West
Hehehe. Sorry. I was merely suggesting that method because it is accurate and public, if a bit tedious. We're working to correct that at . Thanks, Ben (BTW, there are coffee recipes intended to be consumed via non-oral means.)

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Christopher St John
if you are interested in finding the list of admins, you can deduce this list by looking at the admins in the IRC channel. Thanks a lot. I was drinking coffee when I read that, and I ended up spurting some out my nose. I can tell you one thing, hot coffee is definitely not meant to be taken nas

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Benjamin West
Moderation is a form of punishment, whether it is seen that way by the cabal or not. It ostracizes the moderated and prevents them from participating in the community like everyone else. In this case, it has made Andy a second-class uF citizen whose posts are censored in an ill-defined, unchecked

Re: Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Joe, On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Or, if taking Andy off moderation has simply been overlooked, ok. Mistakes happen. In which case he should be allowed to post normally and we should remember as a community that we don't have the wherewithal to manage fine-tuned correc

Moderation [was RE: [uf-discuss] Andy Mabbet's moderation]

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Andrieu
Scott Reynen wrote: > I'm not clear on the perceived damage of long-term > moderation. If it > allows the good stuff in and keeps the bad stuff out, I see > no harm. > If it's keeping good stuff out, I would be very interested in seeing > some of this good stuff that was kept out, as it w