Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-10-02 Thread admin Yellowikis
I'd like to see this microformat integrated into hCard. (I've just been meeting lots of VCs recently) Paul On 10/1/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-10-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, one thing that might help for the species discussion is if you could cite URLs to a

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-29 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, one thing that might help for the species discussion is if you could cite URLs to a site or sites with millions (or even thousands) of clearly obvious

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, one thing that might help for the species discussion is if you could cite URLs to a site or sites with millions (or even thousands) of clearly obvious uses of species terminology Are you (and everyone) content that we have

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The problem before was how you were going about it; asking what people thought of the idea before you'd collected the supporting evidence. Poppycock: http://microformats.org/wiki/species-examples -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Human being is a reference to a species, and should be marked up as such on any page which includes it in a biological context. That's quite a bit of extra metadata -- IIRC

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes This is some good research Andy, and I hope they've been added to the examples page. P.S. It's a wiki - feel free. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Gazza
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 24/09/2006 09:29: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes This is some good research Andy, and I hope they've been added to the examples page. P.S. It's a wiki - feel free. It's your idea, it's your proposal, it's your research,

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Colin Barrett
On Sep 23, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Human being is a reference to a species, and should be marked up as such on any page which includes it in a biological

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think questions like those will help your case -- sending dozens of links to this list will not. Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them. I don't think he was asking for them to be posted to the list, but to be put

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/24/06 10:08 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think questions like those will help your case -- sending dozens of links to this list will not. Then you'd better ask TC why he asked for them. I don't

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Gazza
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 22/09/2006 23:55: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that species names are esoteric? *boggle* Under a definition of only

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Gazza
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 12:52: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that species

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 12:52: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Gazza
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 15:37: How on earth do you thing the scientific community functions? ^^^ And that brings us back round nicely to a species microformat being esoteric, and less frequently used than recognising

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 15:37: How on earth do you thing the scientific community functions? ^^^ And that brings us back round nicely to a species microformat

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes the usefulness of a supporting uF may be questionable. P.S. Oh, that really is a joke. How on earth do you think garden centre functions? Do you think that of someone asks a sales assistant for a 'Sedum acre', they throw their

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Gazza
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 17:25: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes the usefulness of a supporting uF may be questionable. P.S. Oh, that really is a joke. How on earth do you think garden centre functions? I have no idea - uF are

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 23, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: People use the vernacular AND taxonomic names of species in everyday speech and writing - just read or watch any populist gardening magazine or television programme. We're only concerned with examples on the web. The *-examples page is

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/23/06 10:29 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I'll wager that they do so far more than they use 8-digit geo-spatial references, but that doesn't stop us using geo. I agree that geo is not currently very widely published on the web, and if it were suggested as it's own

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 17:25: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes the usefulness of a supporting uF may be questionable. P.S. Oh, that really is a joke. How on earth do

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Matthew Levine
On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Then again, if you're going to insist that we only develop microformats for data types used by virtually everyone, then development work will soon cease to be necessary. Andy, The motivation behind creating a Microformat is to address an

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes To which can be added National Biodiversity Network (UK) http://www.searchnbn.net/ 20,749,979 species records Wikimedia Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Internet Bird

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-23 Thread Colin Barrett
On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Human being is a reference to a species, and should be marked up as such on any page which includes it in a biological context. That's quite a bit of extra metadata -- IIRC the species tree has a height of about six or seven at its

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Ryan King
On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-) No. :-P -ryan ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-) No. :-P So, are you going to tell us which bit(s) you disagree with, or is it a secret? -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Ryan King wrote: On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-) No. :-P Andy, if you're eager to move these discussions forward more quickly, you might find it helpful to move some of them to the

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-) No. :-P So, are you going to tell us which bit(s) you disagree with, or is it a secret? Neither. It's something we haven't all

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/22/06 12:24 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sep 21, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Shall I take everyone's silence as complete agreement? ;-) No. :-P So, are you going to tell us which bit(s) you

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If you get bored waiting, you could fill in a species-formats page, which comes before brainstorming in the process. Are you sure about that? I don't know much about biology (like Sam Cooke), but a quick Google search brought

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: If you get bored waiting, you could fill in a species-formats page, which comes before brainstorming in the process. Are you sure about that? I'm sure this is what the process page says:

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, if you're eager to move these discussions forward more quickly, you might find it helpful to move some of them to the IRC channel, where three emails in a day can be reduced to three messages in a minute:

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If you get bored waiting, you could fill in a species-formats page, which comes before brainstorming in the process. Are you sure about that? I'm sure this is what the process page says:

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 22, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: If you get bored waiting, you could fill in a species-formats page, which comes before brainstorming in the process. Are you sure about that? I'm sure this is what the process page says:

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that species names are esoteric? *boggle* -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and animal names, to include their scientific names. Work to date at: http://microformats.org/wiki/species-brainstorming Shall I take everyone's

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There should, I believe, be a microformat for the markup of plant and animal names, to include their scientific names. I'm tending towards this model: sci (scientific name) kingdom phylum

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes plant microformat In any case, I've flagged up my proposal on the page you cited. Or, rather, on : http://microformats.org/wiki/plant-examples#See_Also -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards:

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 9/16/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Thoughts, anyone? Sounds like a good idea to me; could be used in hCite too (since titles often include species names and such). Bruce ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-16 Thread Brian Suda
be aware, about 6 months ago there was also a discussion of starting a planet species microformat. I think a more generalised version is better, but have a read through the thread[1] so you do not make the same mistakes and reuse any previous findings. -brian [1] -

Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species

2006-09-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Could you start by finding real-world examples on the Web with URLs and documenting them on species-examples page? http://microformats.org/wiki/species-examples I've made a start, trying to find matching pairs of pages with