On 20 Sep 2006, at 02:23, Chris Messina wrote:
I think what you need to define are ways to express relativety -- and
that strong, em, big and small can help in indicating those
relationships with styles turned off. So for example, the very
smallest size might always have em surrounding the small
On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:39 AM, Ben Ward wrote:
Personally I quite like the nested behaviour. I accept that is also
unspecified implied semantics, but it doesn't seem unreasonable…
that said, you can get four levels of tag cloud without nesting of
the same element (by using STRONG as
If IE6 compatibility is the issue, why not do the rating+rel-tag+css
selectors, plus a hack for backwards browsers?
abbr class=value title=4
a rel=tag href=/tags/Web+Standards+Group class=tsize4
Web Standards Group
/a
Where e.g. tsize4 is not part of the semantics but rather a purely
On 20 Sep 2006, at 10:45, Matthew Levine wrote:
However, I'm not whether I like exploiting nesting order. It feels
a bit hackish, and isn't as semantically unambiguous as Ben's
initial example.
Yeah, I considered EM STRONG and STRONG EM as well but as you
say, it's very hackish and in
Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics
(ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to
that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the
microformat's job, the implementor can add extra classes or whatever
to make that work if
In the process of defining a prototytping and development framework that
will allow the department I work in to control UI aspects while letting
the technical team concentrate on the backend stuff. Part of this project
involves me creating initial HTML prototypes that are 'wireframe' in
appearance
Well, the biggest suggestion is, of course, follow the process. Find
out how this information is being presented online / on intranets
(much of this kind of data is internal-only I would assume). Then,
browse the existing microformats to see if anything remotely similar
(ie, overlapping fields
On 20/9/2006, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics
(ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to
that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the
microformat's job, the
- Has there been any discussion of this in the past? (I checked archives
but couldn't find)
- If not, is anyone aware of any existing 'standard' for
naming/structuring financial data?
- What would the community here recommend as my next steps to ensure that
the work I'm doing internally can
Stephen,
Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics
(ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to
that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the
microformat's job, the implementor can add extra classes or whatever
to make
Hi John,
In my mind, the question is if there wasn't an IE issue, how would we
do it? Given that observation, I then see these three points:
- the IE issue will be marginal in 24 months (I hope) because of IE 7
- uFs are mostly about standardized _semantics_ rather than providing
standardized
On 20/9/2006, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would suggest that hTagcloud say that: presentation is
orthogonal to what we're trying to do -- provide semantic markup of
tag clouds. Tag cloud implementers should come up with their own best
way of handling the presentaion -- in fact, they
Consider the 9 December 2007 event on :
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/2007/12.htm
and the same event on:
http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/birmingham/field2007.htm
(that's the example furthest into the future, so last to expire, that
I can offer. Apologies to
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I feel that there should be some way to declare, at the start of the
page, that all the events have the summary WMBC Birmingham Branch field
trip and use the URL of that page - all data which is available to
visitors to the latter page, albeit
One small point to consider might be - how would the community at
large benefit from this uF? What data could scripts/crawlers extract,
what enhancements could, say, GM scripts add. If not enough is
included to give a useful or meaningful answer to those questions, is
it worth having a uF at
On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I have, therefore, put up a straw-man proposal, at:
http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-
brainstorming#Straw_man_proposal
Please feel free to critique it, and, in particular, highlight any
examples for which it does not cater.
Nesting
looks very good - nice and simple and functional :)
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The proposal for a 'currency' microformat, for marking-up amounts of
money, seems moribund. This is unfortunate, as a number of other formats
(hListing, job, hReview, book, etc.), might make
Hello Andy,
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
But here's what we are doing...
Something that renders as...
$5.00
Would have the markup...
abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00
Also... I add the
I'm sorry if this is a little off-topic and hope I'm not breaking any
rule for posting this, but given that this project is in part a really
cool implementation of microformats (well, will be once hCite is
done!) ...
http://zotero.org
They're really looking for an experience Firefox developer
...Which is why I proposed using big and small tags: they actually
map to the function of a tagcloud: to visualize relationships between
discreet data.
There's a reason that we don't call them taglists but are instead
clouds -- essentially a graph! Hell, you should be able to derive a
pie chart
For one thing, you could subscribe to the top 5 tags on delicious in
a series of more than 5... You could also merge data from multiple
sources on the client side to see what the hot tags *really* are
across multiple contexts...
And inasmuch as there plenty of tag clouds out there, devining a
In as point #2.
Regards, etc...
David
On 9/20/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
Perhaps you could add it to the rel-tag-faq?
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-faq
Thanks,
Tantek
On 9/20/06 12:36 PM, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somehow this has escaped me
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Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
looks very good - nice and simple and functional :)
Thank you.
--
Andy Mabbett
Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/
Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
I think it meandered somewhat...
But here's what we are doing...
Something that renders as...
$5.00
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy
at work, and lost track of the thread.)
I think it meandered somewhat...
But
Andy,
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
abbr class=currency title=USD
span class=amount42.67/span
/abbr
Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD?
I've commented before that microformats already misuse abbr in
this
way.
Where is that? I don't remember
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 22:38:
abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00
So a class name like currency-symbol or currency_symbol would be
better.
I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has
already been dismissed. Andy,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza
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I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has
already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any relevant
parts to the brainstorming page.
Noted, and thank you.
Usually, when talking about currency,
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Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
abbr class=currency title=USD
span class=amount42.67/span
/abbr
Isn't this suggesting that 42.67 is an abbreviation for USD?
I've commented before that microformats
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Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I could possibly be convinced to write such a Greasemonkey script, but
I currently suspect it would end up being more annoying than useful.
For example, here's a clipping from the second (first English) live
example in the
On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create the following pages and fill them out?
I'm seeing this:
div class=urlhttp://www.3color.org/~kwilson//div
Likewise:
span class=emailspan class=spamprevention
usernamekwilson/span@span class=spamprevention
domain3color.org/span/span
in a vCard [1]. Good. No good? I'm guessing the latter.
Regards, etc...
David
[1]
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span class=currency
span class=type$/span
span class=value5.00/span
/span
Dollars is a currency. Five Dollars is money.
No, money is a currency, metal is another type of currency. Dollars is
a /type/ of currency.
Even if so,
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I see that you documented some examples on the currency page on the
wiki.
Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread.
Could you please create
Hello,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza
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[...]
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is used for dates,
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in
geo,
Hello Andy,
On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though;
it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way
ISO8601 is
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
No. You're not in a position to stipulate requirements (much less
required prerequisites (sic)) of me, and your insinuations of
bias are
unfounded.
We all have bias. I'm interested in a currency microformat because I
work on several
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I prefer the original, and I suspect this is more the norm than the
exception.
[1] http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/2006-09.htm
Interesting - that's one of my pages.
Can you suggest a better way to mark-up the event?
No, I think
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