Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 01:30: Hello, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes [...] >I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; >it could be accepted

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard question

David Janes mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 00:52: I'm seeing this: kwilson@3color.org in a vCard [1]. Good. No good? I'm guessing the latter. while splitting the e-mail address into parts is not part of the uf as I understand it, I can understand why this has been done, as it does, IM

Re: [uf-discuss] Parsing dates in preferred format

On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I prefer the original, and I suspect this is more the norm than the exception. [1] http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/2006-09.htm Interesting - that's one of my pages. Can you suggest a better way to mark-up the event? No, I think your

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: No. You're not in a position to stipulate "requirements" (much less "required prerequisites" (sic)) of me, and your insinuations of bias are unfounded. We all have bias. I'm interested in a currency microformat because I work on several in

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; >> >it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; >> >it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way >> >ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is u

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Hello, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes [...] >I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; >it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way >ISO8601 is used for

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the >wiki. > >Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. > >Could you p

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the >>> wiki. >>> >>> Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. >>> >

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>> >>> $ >>> 5.00 >>> >> "Dollars" is a currency. "Five Dollars" is money. > >No, money is a currency, metal is another type of currency. Dollars is >a /type/ of currency. Even if so, "Five Dollars" is still money, not curre

[uf-discuss] hCard question

I'm seeing this: http://www.3color.org/~kwilson/ Likewise: kwilson@3color.org in a vCard [1]. Good. No good? I'm guessing the latter. Regards, etc... David [1] http://www.3color.org/%7Ekwilson/resume/kenneth-wilson.html ___ microformats-discuss mai

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

On 9/20/06 3:51 PM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the >> wiki. >> >> Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. >> >> Could you please create the following pages and fill them out? >> >> http:/

Re: [uf-discuss] Parsing dates in preferred format

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I could possibly be convinced to write such a Greasemonkey script, but >I currently suspect it would end up being more annoying than useful. >For example, here's a clipping from the second (first English) live >example in

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 23:59: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Usually, when talking about currency, the word 'type' is used (see xe.com) It may be used sometimes,; often, even, but is it "usual"? I and people I know are far more like

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

IFX, a retail banking standard, uses Currency Code ("CurCode") instead of "type" following the ISO4217 3-letter currency code, and Currency Amount ("CurAmt") instead of money or currency. So it would be: USD 5.00 Guillaume Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I may be a similar discussion; sorry. "I may be mis-remembering..." -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data:

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >>> >>> 42.67 >>> >>> >>> Isn't this suggesting that "42.67" is an abbreviation for "USD"? >> >> I've commented before that microformats already "misuse" in >>this >

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has >already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any relevant >parts to the brainstorming page. Noted, and thank you. >Usually, when talking about cu

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the >wiki. > >Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. > >Could you please create the following pages and fill them out? > > http://micr

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 22:38: > $5.00 So a class name like "currency-symbol" or "currency_symbol" would be better. I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any rel

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: 42.67 Isn't this suggesting that "42.67" is an abbreviation for "USD"? I've commented before that microformats already "misuse" in this way. Where is that? I don't remember seeing anything like this, where one piece of informat

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Andy, I see that you documented some examples on the "currency" page on the wiki. Others have mentioned existing currency formats on this thread. Could you please create the following pages and fill them out? http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples http://microformats.org/wiki/curren

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Hello Andy, On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy >at work, and lost track of the thread.) I think it meandered somewhat...

[uf-discuss] Avoiding duplicate data on one page; and same-page URL references.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Suda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> I feel that there should be some way to declare, at the start of the >> page, that all the events have the summary "WMBC Birmingham Branch field >> trip" and use the URL of that page - all data which is available to >> visito

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy >at work, and lost track of the thread.) I think it meandered somewhat... >But here's what we are doing... >Something that renders as... > >

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen Paul Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >looks very good - nice and simple and functional :) Thank you. -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data:

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > 42.67 > > >Isn't this suggesting that "42.67" is an abbreviation for "USD"? I've commented before that microformats already "misuse" in this way. >More generally, if the currency isn't published anywhere, doesn't

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

In as point #2. Regards, etc... David On 9/20/06, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David, Perhaps you could add it to the rel-tag-faq? http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-faq Thanks, Tantek On 9/20/06 12:36 PM, "David Janes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somehow this has escaped

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

David, Perhaps you could add it to the rel-tag-faq? http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-faq Thanks, Tantek On 9/20/06 12:36 PM, "David Janes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somehow this has escaped me though in hindsight it's blindingly > obvious. Perhaps this should get an explicit mention

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Somehow this has escaped me though in hindsight it's blindingly obvious. Perhaps this should get an explicit mention here [1] in the "nots" section? Regards, etc... [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Scope On 9/20/06, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lastly, David, rel=tag is not

[uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

For one thing, you could "subscribe" to the top 5 tags on delicious in a series of more than 5... You could also merge data from multiple sources on the client side to see what the hot tags *really* are across multiple contexts... And inasmuch as there plenty of tag clouds out there, devining a m

[uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

...Which is why I proposed using and tags: they actually map to the function of a tagcloud: to visualize relationships between discreet data. There's a reason that we don't call them "taglists" but are instead clouds -- essentially a graph! Hell, you should be able to derive a pie chart from th

[uf-discuss] firefox developer needed

I'm sorry if this is a little off-topic and hope I'm not breaking any rule for posting this, but given that this project is in part a really cool implementation of microformats (well, will be once hCite is done!) ... They're really looking for an experience Firefox developer

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

Hello Andy, I didn't completely follow all of the last currency thread. (Got busy at work, and lost track of the thread.) But here's what we are doing... Something that renders as... $5.00 Would have the markup... $5.00 Also... I add the following style right in there to... style="te

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

looks very good - nice and simple and functional :) On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The proposal for a 'currency' microformat, for marking-up amounts of money, seems moribund. This is unfortunate, as a number of other formats (hListing, job, hReview, book, etc.), might make

Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I have, therefore, put up a "straw-man" proposal, at:

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

One small point to consider might be - how would the community at large benefit from this uF? What data could scripts/crawlers extract, what enhancements could, say, GM scripts add. If not enough is included to give a useful or meaningful answer to those questions, is it worth having a uF at all

Re: [uf-discuss] Avoiding duplicate data on one page; and same-page URL references.

On 9/20/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I feel that there should be some way to declare, at the start of the page, that all the events have the summary "WMBC Birmingham Branch field trip" and use the URL of that page - all data which is available to visitors to the latter page, albeit

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

There is XBLR for detailed corporate financial statements, OFX for personal banking, IFX for retail banking (I'm a member), FIXML for securities. Although most of the current implementations are XML-based, IFX insists its model is not tied to XML and could be applied to other formats (such as

[uf-discuss] Avoiding duplicate data on one page; and same-page URL references.

Consider the 9 December 2007 event on : http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/diary/2007/12.htm and the same event on: http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/birmingham/field2007.htm (that's the example furthest into the future, so last to "expire", that I can offer. Apologies to any

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >is anyone aware of any existing 'standard' for naming/structuring financial >data? Funny you should raise that today; I've just posted this: to the W

[uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.

The proposal for a 'currency' microformat, for marking-up amounts of money, seems moribund. This is unfortunate, as a number of other formats (hListing, job, hReview, book, etc.), might make use of it. I have, therefore, put up a "straw-man" proposal, at:

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On 20/9/2006, "David Janes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I would suggest that hTagcloud say that: "presentation is >orthogonal to what we're trying to do -- provide semantic markup of >tag clouds. Tag cloud implementers should come up with their own best >way of handling the presentaion -- in fact,

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On Sep 20, 2006, at 8:19 AM, John Allsopp wrote: It's very clever, without any doubt. It is however very divergent from almost all current developer practice (which of course does not remotely make it incorrect, but possibly harder to get adoption), and in the case of deeply nested ems (eve

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Hi John, In my mind, the question is if there wasn't an IE issue, how would we do it? Given that observation, I then see these three points: - the IE issue will be marginal in 24 months (I hope) because of IE 7 - uFs are mostly about standardized _semantics_ rather than providing standardized _p

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Drew, On 20/9/2006, "Stephen Paul Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics (ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the microformat's jo

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Ben, On 20 Sep 2006, at 10:45, Matthew Levine wrote: However, I'm not whether I like exploiting nesting order. It feels a bit hackish, and isn't as semantically unambiguous as Ben's initial example. Yeah, I considered EM > STRONG and STRONG > EM as well but as you say, it's very hackish

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

David, If IE6 compatibility is the issue, why not do the rating+rel-tag+css selectors, plus a hack for backwards browsers? Web Standards Group Where e.g. "tsize4" is not part of the semantics but rather a purely presentation hack? this is predicated on the idea that the use of class=

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Stephen, Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics (ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the microformat's job, the implementor can add extra classes or whatever to make tha

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

Stephen, Well, the biggest suggestion is, of course, follow the process. Find out how this information is being presented online / on intranets (much of this kind of data is internal-only I would assume). Then, browse the existing microformats to see if anything remotely similar (ie, overla

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

- Has there been any discussion of this in the past? (I checked archives but couldn't find) - If not, is anyone aware of any existing 'standard' for naming/structuring financial data? - What would the community here recommend as my next steps to ensure that the work I'm doing internally can doveta

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On 20/9/2006, "Stephen Paul Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics >(ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to >that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the >microformat's job, the i

Re: [uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

Well, the biggest suggestion is, of course, follow the process. Find out how this information is being presented online / on intranets (much of this kind of data is internal-only I would assume). Then, browse the existing microformats to see if anything remotely similar (ie, overlapping fields s

[uf-discuss] Financial data, statements etc - any previous discussion?

In the process of defining a prototytping and development framework that will allow the department I work in to control UI aspects while letting the technical team concentrate on the backend stuff. Part of this project involves me creating initial HTML prototypes that are 'wireframe' in appearance

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics (ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the microformat's job, the implementor can add extra classes or whatever to make that work if

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On 20 Sep 2006, at 10:45, Matthew Levine wrote: However, I'm not whether I like exploiting nesting order. It feels a bit hackish, and isn't as semantically unambiguous as Ben's initial example. Yeah, I considered EM > STRONG and STRONG > EM as well but as you say, it's very hackish and in

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

If IE6 compatibility is the issue, why not do the rating+rel-tag+css selectors, plus a hack for backwards browsers? Web Standards Group Where e.g. "tsize4" is not part of the semantics but rather a purely presentation hack? Regards, etc... David On 9/20/06, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:39 AM, Ben Ward wrote: Personally I quite like the nested behaviour. I accept that is also unspecified implied semantics, but it doesn't seem unreasonable… that said, you can get four levels of tag cloud without nesting of the same element (by using STRONG as well)

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

On 20 Sep 2006, at 02:23, Chris Messina wrote: I think what you need to define are ways to express relativety -- and that , , and can help in indicating those relationships with styles turned off. So for example, the very smallest size might always have surrounding the tags... so that there's