Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, Your political bias is ...in your imagination. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Casciano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes How about this as a model: date is an optional component of the currency microformat. When date is present, parsers may disregard it. When parsers understand date, and none is present, they may

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-25 Thread Colin Barrett
On Sep 24, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, Your political bias is ...in your imagination. Andy, it seems to me that you've come increasingly more hostile to members of this list in the past few days. Maybe

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal for What's New listings

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
should be fixed :) On 9/22/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The first http://xoxotools.ning.com/hatom2rss.php is my site, I will look into making your requested tweak to the script :) No charge ;-) (Seriously

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
Ah, with class=tag I think I'm beginning to see the light ;) Still not #1 on parsability, but microformats never are, it should be doable though :) On 9/23/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was using class=tagcloud on the containing ul. I also was using class=tag on each tag link,

Re: [uf-discuss] Use of abbr (also object) and Accessibility

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
In current Safari, object data=20050125January 25/object works just fine as expected. Yes, but abbr just makes more sense 1) because it's a better match to what the XHTML actually means 2) because abbr data is visible to users without viewing the code, object is not (usually)

Re: [uf-discuss] use existing before proposing new

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
Those with microformat use experiance are more likely to understand uF in general, and better at it, so I would definately agree with this idea. On 9/24/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I came here some months ago,

[uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Suda
As most folks have some sort of Blogroll (hopefully marked-up with XFN and XOXO[1]). I have begun to look into easily converting those into OPML. I've only worked with OPML for a day now and it has left a sour taste in my mouth!!! So i never want to write OPML again, instead i want to write happy

Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
you might want to check out http://xoxotools.ning.com/outlineconvert.php On 9/25/06, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As most folks have some sort of Blogroll (hopefully marked-up with XFN and XOXO[1]). I have begun to look into easily converting those into OPML. I've only worked with OPML

[uf-discuss] A bug in the Technorati's events exporting tool

2006-09-25 Thread Yoan BLANC
Hi, I've hCal'd a website that contains with this kind of dtend : abbr class=dtend title=2006-09-24T02:00:00+02:00.../abbr and feeds.technorati.com/events/ convert it to DTEND:20060924T000Z with se7en 0 instead of six. Test it from there :

Re: [uf-discuss] A bug in the Technorati's events exporting tool

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Suda
Good catch! i had a look at the issue and the problem was that all our test cases added the time from the timezone up to 24, in your case you were subtracting to get '0' which was not being checked for so things were going padded then that '0' was being added so we got '7' instead of '6'.

History Microformat (was Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?)

2006-09-25 Thread Jeremy Boggs
Hi List, On Sep 24, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Another thought is that the space of historical data is probably a more relevant way to discuss this than just currency. People assert all kinds of facts about the past (not just currency), and rather than having something that is

Re: [uf-discuss] Use of abbr (also object) and Accessibility

2006-09-25 Thread Simone Onofri
In current Safari, object data=20050125January 25/object works just fine as expected. Yes, but abbr just makes more sense 1) because it's a better match to what the XHTML actually means 2) because abbr data is visible to users without viewing the code, object is not (usually) Hi, so the

Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Dietrich Ayala
I wrote this a few months ago, but haven't had time to look at since. YMMV :) http://dietrich.ganx4.com/microformats/xoxo2opml.xsl On 9/25/06, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As most folks have some sort of Blogroll (hopefully marked-up with XFN and XOXO[1]). I have begun to look into

History Microformat (was Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?)

2006-09-25 Thread Jeremy Boggs
Hi List, On Sep 24, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Another thought is that the space of historical data is probably a more relevant way to discuss this than just currency. People assert all kinds of facts about the past (not just currency), and rather than having something that

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Suda
excellent! looking at the code, we pretty much arrived at the same thing - what license do you plan on releasing this as? and when you finish you should add it to the Implementations list on the Wiki. what i'd really like is to find out, via Lazy Web, what and if any, New Readers can accept XOXO

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal for What's New listings

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 9/22/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The first http://xoxotools.ning.com/hatom2rss.php is my site, I will look into making your

Re: [uf-discuss] Dated currency examples?

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Andy, Your political bias is ...in your imagination. Andy, it seems to me that you've come increasingly more hostile to members of this list in the past

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal for What's New listings

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The first http://xoxotools.ning.com/hatom2rss.php is my site, I will look into making your requested tweak to the script :) should be fixed :) Thank you. Viewing the feed for:

[uf-discuss] IRC log question - what's +391 ?

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
I've just been looking over the IRC logs. One of my recent edits to the Wiki shows as: [10:12:07] mfbot [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examplesdiff=0oldid=8949 * AndyMabbett * (+391) Quantitative evidence - Wikispecies To what does +391

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC log question - what's +391 ?

2006-09-25 Thread Frederic de Villamil
Andy Mabbett a écrit : I've just been looking over the IRC logs. One of my recent edits to the Wiki shows as: [10:12:07] mfbot [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examplesdiff=0oldid=8949 * AndyMabbett * (+391) Quantitative evidence -

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC log question - what's +391 ?

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Suda
that is the number of characters you added (or subtracted) in this case +391. We use this alot to see of SPAM comes through, if we get a +/- 40,000 that is probably not an edit by a person. -brian On 9/25/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just been looking over the IRC logs. One

Re: [uf-discuss] Employee number

2006-09-25 Thread Paul Denning
At 04:29 PM 2006-09-19, Ryan King wrote: Sounds like a use case for URIs [1] Life would be better if URI's were used in more places. I do not want to invent a new URI Scheme (bad idea per W3C TAG [1]). [1] http://tinyurl.com/roao2 and/or UIDs [2]. It also sounds like a very specific use

Re: [uf-discuss] Employee number

2006-09-25 Thread Paul Denning
At 04:29 PM 2006-09-19, Ryan King wrote: Create your own standard markup If I create my own, then it may be my standard, but its a far cry from being a widespread or universal standard. I am not in the group in my company that develops the applications that use employee numbers. I am a

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC log question - what's +391 ?

2006-09-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frederic de Villamil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes To what does +391 refer? The amount of chars you've added on the page. Thank you, both. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data:

[uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 1: UID

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
I just took a look through the citation-brainstorming page to see what's next, and saw Brian (Suda?)'s list of outstanding issues from a while ago. I thought I'd start a thread of discussion for each, to see if we can resolve them. Issue one is how to mark up UIDs because there are so many

[uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
continuing the series... Brian's second outstanding issue with citation: 2) I keep mis-using format, format is the medium - hardback, softback. The TYPE (there probably is a better word - container?) is book, article, conference, manifesto, etc. Much like the identifers we can make an enumerated

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Gazza
Michael McCracken mumbled the following on 25/09/2006 23:05: I do agree that using an element with type class instead of a huge number of type classes is the way to go here, to avoid class namespace pollution. Comments? I agree. It follows one of the principles of Minimising Vocabulary, and

[uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 3: nesting

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
Nesting microformats - there are two questions here. First, about the statement that other uf's don't handle nesting explicitly. Is this a design decision or just a result of it not being necessary yet? Second - the two options listed don't seem like enough. option 1: requires class names for

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Benjamin West
This has already been done twice by Les Orchard: http://decafbad.com/trac/wiki/XoxoOutliner http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/12/01/feedrolls-in-xoxo-from-opml-via-xslt-and-url-line-magic http://decafbad.com/2005/11/gopher-ng/xoxo-to-hyperscope.xsl

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] XOXO-2-OPML LazyWeb Request

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
I don't think my code always does a flat OPML... only if the original XOXO was flat... I'll look into processing XOXO that has relative URLs On 9/25/06, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excellent! looking at the code, we pretty much arrived at the same thing - what license do you plan on

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal for What's New listings

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
For the first item, it didn't help that your page was not quite valid http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westmidlandbirdclub.com%2Fnew.htm, however I think I have fixed it now anyway and got around that :) The url must have the xn_auth=no in it (ning hosting), but I have removed

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 9/25/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do agree that using an element with type class instead of a huge number of type classes is the way to go here, to avoid class namespace pollution. I actually don't like using the separate element, in part because this information is

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 3: nesting

2006-09-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
First, a URL for the wiki page you are referring to would be helpful ;-) On 9/25/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: option 1: requires class names for every reference type. I don't like this option either. option 2: uses type class, but makes it confusing IMO - what if you want to

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 3: nesting

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
Sorry, it was hinted at in the first email- I should have included it in each: http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming#Outstanding_Issues On 9/25/06, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, a URL for the wiki page you are referring to would be helpful ;-) On 9/25/06, Michael

[uf-discuss] Microformat's Logos

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
Hello, I was wondering if there had every been any serious thought to giving individual microformats logos (for widgets and buttons and such, etc). I created an XOXO logo back when I started the XOXO Blog http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6537/1341/1600/XOXObadge.png. An aquaintance recently

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 3: nesting

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
Just about this part: I have no opinion about citation vs. hcite. -mike http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-principles#h_word That page suggests that hcite for the root element is the way to go. -mike -- Michael McCracken UCSD CSE PhD Candidate research: http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~mmccrack/

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
On 9/25/06, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do agree that using an element with type class instead of a huge number of type classes is the way to go here, to avoid class namespace pollution. I actually don't like using the

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 1: UID

2006-09-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 25, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: I like Brian's suggestion to use a type class to denote what type of UID it is while avoiding a huge list of new class names. span class=uidspan class=typeDOI/span: a class=value href=http://dx.doi.org/stuff;.../a/span It seems like this

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 1: UID

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
On 9/25/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: I like Brian's suggestion to use a type class to denote what type of UID it is while avoiding a huge list of new class names. span class=uidspan class=typeDOI/span: a class=value

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Scott Reynen
On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: I know what you mean - the type matters in how you format the reference, but it isn't usually displayed. This is something we'll have to hammer out. Right now it looks like a tradeoff between flexibility and elegance, but I'm hoping for a

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
On 9/25/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: I know what you mean - the type matters in how you format the reference, but it isn't usually displayed. This is something we'll have to hammer out. Right now it looks like a tradeoff

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Ross Singer
On 9/25/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The option of just ignoring types altogether - not including a type property at all - is certainly possible - it would make human-reading and publishing easier but automatic parsing somewhat harder. This might be a worthwhile tradeoff. I

Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:

2006-09-25 Thread Michael McCracken
On 9/25/06, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/06, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The option of just ignoring types altogether - not including a type property at all - is certainly possible - it would make human-reading and publishing easier but automatic parsing