RE: [uf-discuss] include-pattern support for data outside of the current page? [Was: Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?]

>> Is it good for the interpretation of the data on one page to rely on data on another page? anyone has an opinion? My knee-jerk reaction is that it is very bad practice to have what would essentially be the "legend" to be on a separate page. Very, very bad. When I use to teach programming, one

RE: [uf-discuss] how do i submit something for consideration?

Charles, Funny, I've been planning to write a blog post entitled something like "What's the one thing wrong with Open-Source? Forking!" :) -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:4

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On 27 Oct 2006, at 00:58, Colin Barrett wrote: @ represents an attribute, so @rel=tag means @rel tag with the value ‘tag’. The most advanced I've seen it get in general discussion is of the form [EMAIL PROTECTED], which means ‘element named foo with an attribute bar with value ‘sheep’. T

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Ben Ward wrote: On 26 Oct 2006, at 18:35, Colin Barrett wrote: On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes @rel=bookmark I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >I set that "I see that" - apologies for my typing! -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Data: __

Re: [uf-discuss] how do i submit something for consideration?

On Oct 26, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Just out of curiousity, why the "No Derivative" part for the license for the specification? (To be "open" wouldn't anybody need to be able to make derivatives, and not just one person or more group of people?) No. All the protocol

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Here're some suggested additions: I set that the page has recently been updated, and some of the suggestions posted here included, but not others. What's the reasoning behin

Re: [uf-discuss] how do i submit something for consideration?

Hello Jonathan, (This does NOT have anything to do with the Microformats aspect of it, but) Just out of curiousity, why the "No Derivative" part for the license for the specification? (To be "open" wouldn't anybody need to be able to make derivatives, and not just one person or more group o

Re: [uf-discuss] how do i submit something for consideration?

Hi Jonathan, On 10/26/06, Jonathan Vanasco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. I've recently soft-launched a distributed identity webapp that I've split out of another project, and released several aspects of that application as open standards ( Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 2.5

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible data and key+value pairs

What do you think of using "rel-enclosure" to point source data -- for example, an HTML table that's source created from a CVS, XLS, or SQL/JSON data source that's URI addressable? Regards, etc... On 10/26/06, Kevin Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a discussion about this in Shelley Power

Re: [uf-discuss] include-pattern support for data outside of the current page? [Was: Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?]

On 10/26/06 11:22 AM, "Guillaume Lebleu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > include-pattern support for data outside of the current page? Guillaume, My apologies for not clarifying this on the include-pattern page - I could have swore I had done so, and it was one of these core aspects of its design t

Re: [uf-discuss] "rel-" uFs : still draft after all this time?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>Does the status of them really matter? > >Yes. > >Many people - and especially organisations - will be wary of applying >something which is described in such as way as to imply the likelihood >that it will change before bein

[uf-discuss] how do i submit something for consideration?

Hi. I've recently soft-launched a distributed identity webapp that I've split out of another project, and released several aspects of that application as open standards ( Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 2.5 License ) I don't know how / where to submit it for potential co

[uf-discuss] Visible data and key+value pairs

I had a discussion about this in Shelley Powers' blog comments a while back: http://just.shelleypowers.com/technology/ajax-myth-busting/#comment638 what I said then was: What is data and what is metadata depends on the content and the context. If you have a series of key/value pairs where b

Re: [uf-discuss] "rel-" uFs : still draft after all this time?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Does the status of them really matter? Yes. Many people - and especially organisations - will be wary of applying something which is described in such as way as to imply the likelihood that it will change before

Re: [uf-discuss] "rel-" uFs : still draft after all this time?

Hello Andy, Does the status of them really matter? The specifications are there... and people can read them... and use them if they choose to. IMO... it would be better for these Microformats to become widely used before making these specifications "hard in stone". Perhaps there's some problem

Re: [uf-discuss] "rel-" uFs : still draft after all this time?

The process of what moves something from "draft" to "specification" is a little bit of a mystery to most of us, I think... Regards, etc... David On 10/26/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >The 'wiki' page on rel-

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>> @rel=bookmark >> >> I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening "@" - >>what >> does it mean? >> > >I'm not sure on the etymology, but they're referring to attributes on >(X)HTML tags. As in "@tribuyte"

[uf-discuss] include-pattern support for data outside of the current page? [Was: Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?]

The thread around invisble microformats reminded me of this example from the visible Web. Maybe relevant to this discussion, if not relevant to the include-pattern. An index page (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/oilprice.html) contains currency information that applies to all pages i

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

I just wrote: > If people object, it's probably unreasonable > When of course I mean ‘not unreasonable’. and: > @ represents an attribute, so @rel=tag means @rel tag with the value > ‘tag’ > @ represents an attribute, so @rel=tag means the attribute rel with the value 'tag'. My mind is frazz

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On 26 Oct 2006, at 18:35, Colin Barrett wrote: On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes @rel=bookmark I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening "@" - what does it mean? I'm not sure on the e

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On Oct 26, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: I'm still not convinced. I've only heard generalities and no specifics on anything I've heard regarding my use-case. RDF is far to complicated for the average person creating HTML; one reason why I don't think it will ever fly. I still kn

Re: [uf-discuss] "rel-" uFs : still draft after all this time?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >The 'wiki' page on rel-enclosure: > > > >say that its spec (sic) is a draft, as of 2005-06-21 > >Is that still the case and, if so, has nothing changed in over a year? >[a

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

Hi Andy, On Oct 26, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment. :-) Why shouldn't he call it a microformat? Sorry, I may have conflated too many i

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment. :-) Why shouldn't he call it a microformat? Because it hasn't gone through the (fairly rig

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes @rel=bookmark I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening "@" - what does it mean? I'm not sure on the etymology, but they're referring to attrib

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >As long as you don't call it a microformat, feel free to experiment. >:-) Why shouldn't he call it a microformat? -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards:

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >>> cardinal sin > >Is this a pragmatic group that I'm working with, or a bunch of >religious zealots that I've managed to get entangle with? [assuming you're not joking] "cardinal" in this sense means: "essential"

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >@rel=bookmark I've seen several people refer to such things with an opening "@" - what does it mean? -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: Free Our Da

Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources

On 10/26/06, Lorenzo De Tomasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The code: Tantek Çelik is compatible with the standard code: Tantek Çelik? Yes that's correct, an hCard parser will ignore any classes it's not aware of[1], so you can add any other identifiers onto it. However, hCard does already disti

Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources

A question about compatibility... The code: Tantek Çelik is compatible with the standard code: Tantek Çelik? On 10/26/06, Chris Messina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Lorenzo, There has already been some work done on groups... and I'd caution against suggesting such far-reaching changes off t

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On 10/26/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks. That maybe solves this use case. Can you do the same using in the in case you don't want the hyperlink visible? Or what about on a within ? And do you know if the search engines pay any attention to this? @rel=bookmark is scope

Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources

Yees, but "group" is a more generic term that can include different types like "organisation" or "department" :-) On 10/26/06, Michael MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > > > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or

RE: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

>> just a discouraged usage You are recommending a discouraged usages? >> cardinal sin Is this a pragmatic group that I'm working with, or a bunch of religious zealots that I've managed to get entangle with? -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O

RE: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

Kevin: Thanks. That maybe solves this use case. Can you do the same using in the in case you don't want the hyperlink visible? Or what about on a within ? And do you know if the search engines pay any attention to this? >> A possibly better way to do this would be to redirect at the HTTP le

Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On 10/26/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm still not convinced. I've only heard generalities and no specifics on anything I've heard regarding my use-case. RDF is far to complicated for the average person creating HTML; one reason why I don't think it will ever fly. I still know

RE: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

Scott: I'm still not convinced. I've only heard generalities and no specifics on anything I've heard regarding my use-case. RDF is far to complicated for the average person creating HTML; one reason why I don't think it will ever fly. I still know of nothing else besides Microformats that can f

RE: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

>> Your always welcome to use HTML class name semantics or other microformat-inspired technologies in your private applications. However, that is a different thing that calling it a "microformat" and engaging this whole group in vetting and supporting it. If you think this could be a great solutio

Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Advocacy & "spread" pages: merge?

As Tantek said, they are different in purpose -- as one stands to offer resources for pushing microformats out across the web through individual efforts (spread) while the other is more about concerted efforts to be undertaken as a group or collectively. They're clearly related, but I agree with

Re: [uf-discuss] Persons, Groups, Resources

> > > > > > Why not to split hcard in two formats: person and group? > > > "Person" describes a physical person, like me, you or Dante Alighieri. > > > "Group" describes a group of persons, organized in companies, > wouldn't a "group" be similar to an "organisation" or "department"? http://micro