Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats: a penultimate reprise

On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Shorthouse, David wrote: In the face of the mess taxonomy can be at times, it would be worth thinking about GUIDs like LSIDs for use in microformats for species. uBio is but one provider of LSIDs. There are at least a half dozen other providers and many more are

[uf-discuss] species microformats: a penultimate reprise

Andy et al., I temporarily subscribed to this listserv once again to: 1) apologize for allowing my emotions get in the way of what can be a fantastic solution to a very difficult problem and, 2) offer advice to take your proposed species microformats to the next level of resilience in the face of

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats & OpenSearch

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shorthouse, David" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> my forum (http://canadianarachnology.dyndns.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= >>118) > >It appears that David > has now wiped the discussion of mic

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats & OpenSearch

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shorthouse, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > my forum (http://canadianarachnology.dyndns.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t= >118) It appears that Davis has now wiped the discussion of microformats from the forum on his website! -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO

differentiating microformats (was Re: RE: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] [citation] url field )

Mike, can you explain what you mean in the context of the citation format? I haven't been following many of the other threads on this list this week, so I don't know what you're referring to. Thanks! -mike On 12/7/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ironically, this sounds like anothe

RE: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] [citation] url field

Ironically, this sounds like another real-world (i.e. not hypothetical) example of the need to provide a way to differentiate microformats. -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

Scott Reynen wrote: > The next question I expect is: what if you want to use both > the microformats.org rel-license and your own conflicting > rel-license in the same document? Well, you can't. And that is exactly the problem. > Just like in natural language, if you want to start using symb

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

S. Sriram wrote: > They would simply co-exist. Period My only response to your comments is that I strongly disagree with you, but as you appears you have a similar conviction it would be a waste of time to debate it further. -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welld

RE: RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

> --- these values are not "reserved" across all of HTML. We > have a mechanism to prevent this, it is called Profile URIs, > if a parser comes across class="vcard" then the best way to > determine if this is a random CSS Style or a semantic value > is to see if there is a Profile URI that matc

[uf-discuss] Mars & Moon news stories

Both Mars and the Moon have been in the news this week: * water on mars: * Mars landers photographed:

Re: Re: RE: [uf-discuss] [citation] url field

This seems to have been buried - so again, to anyone interested in hCite: I want to define a new field "URL" to denote an http URL that points to the location of a copy of the cited work. URIs that encode an identifier of the work can be combined with this field, but do not need to be. I unders

Re: RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On 12/7/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it is not a scarce resource, please tell me what would happen if I decided to start marking up documents, as an example, using the class "directory" and "license", for purposes other than rel-directory and re-license? How could my markup an

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats & OpenSearch

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shorthouse, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Please note my earlier comment on quoting formats. >[David Shorthouse wrote:] >Sorry, you'll just have to tolerate it. Until Microsoft updates Office >2007 to deal with this possible bug with text email, I refuse to in

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: If it is not a scarce resource, please tell me what would happen if I decided to start marking up documents, as an example, using the class "directory" and "license", for purposes other than rel-directory and re-license? The classes wouldn't cau

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

From: "Mike Schinkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> S. Sriram wrote: This is not a scarce resource, people can (and are) naming classes as they choose. Any constraint happens at the parsing stage, since microformat-aware parsers look for specific class names etc. (see below) If it is not a scarce resour

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

From: "Ryan King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Dec 5, 2006, at 8:48 AM, S. Sriram wrote: From: "Mike Schinkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2006- December/00 8462.html I wonder if his issues can be addressed? How about a distributed parser-disco

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On Dec 7, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/7/06, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... The RDF dream of having a generic parser and model has yet to win on the open web. I'm more than happy to let the market decide whether it's more value to have formats that are easy to publis

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On 12/7/06, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... The RDF dream of having a generic parser and model has yet to win on the open web. I'm more than happy to let the market decide whether it's more value to have formats that are easy to publish, or those that are easy to parse (I'm sure you ca

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

S. Sriram wrote: >> This is not a scarce resource, people can >> (and are) naming classes as they choose. >> Any constraint happens at the parsing stage, >> since microformat-aware parsers look for >> specific class names etc. (see below) If it is not a scarce resource, please tell me what wou

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

Roger L. Costello wrote: >> Mike, you've raised some excellent concerns. It fundamentally boils down to an issue of interoperability. If the Microformat's community splinters and, say, multiple versions of hCard are created then we immediately have an interoperability problem. I believe that w

Re: [uf-discuss] Issue with "fn org" when also organization unit

I Concur. On 12/7/06, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mine too. I think that the org-fn rule should state something to the effect that "if organization-name is given, then if fn and organization-name match, then the hcard is an organization hcard". I've added this as an issue on http://mic

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On Dec 6, 2006, at 5:45 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/5/06, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... In HTML or JSON, new formats need new parsers, which must be written by someone. Exactly. The point is if you have a generic model you have a generic parser. Elias is coming from an

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On Dec 5, 2006, at 8:48 AM, S. Sriram wrote: From: "Mike Schinkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2006- December/00 8462.html I wonder if his issues can be addressed? How about a distributed parser-discovery service What's wrong with GRDDL

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

On Dec 5, 2006, at 5:07 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On 12/5/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For those on this list who are not following [whatwg], here is an interesting thread about inability to use Microformats: http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2006- Dece

Re: [uf-discuss] hrecipe examples

On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Ted Drake wrote: Hi All Are there any examples of an hrecipe encoded page? I realize it is still in development. I'd like to see if there has been any progress made and/or something to go by. I've looked at the twiki and there seems to be examples of recipe pag

Re: [uf-discuss] Implied hCard (was: Is class="vcard fn" illegal?)

On Nov 30, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: On Nov 30, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Ryan King wrote: Why do you say that the @href would be the FN? AFAIK, the the spec doesn't state this and no implementation does this. It's hard to tell what people are responding to when they top-post replies,

Re: [uf-discuss] Issue with "fn org" when also organization unit

Mine too. I think that the org-fn rule should state something to the effect that "if organization-name is given, then if fn and organization-name match, then the hcard is an organization hcard". I've added this as an issue on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues -ryan On Nov 25, 2006,

[uf-discuss] hrecipe examples

Hi All Are there any examples of an hrecipe encoded page? I realize it is still in development. I'd like to see if there has been any progress made and/or something to go by. I've looked at the twiki and there seems to be examples of recipe pages, but I don't see any hrecipe encoding on them. Th

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

From: "Mike Schinkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> because Microformats squat on a scare resource (names in classes.) This is not a scarce resource, people can (and are) naming classes as they choose. Any constraint happens at the parsing stage, since microformat-aware parsers look for specific cla

RE: [uf-discuss] species microformats & OpenSearch

Please note my earlier comment on quoting formats. [David Shorthouse wrote:] Sorry, you'll just have to tolerate it. Until Microsoft updates Office 2007 to deal with this possible bug with text email, I refuse to install 3rd party plug-ins. Imagine viewing a web page with a reference to

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

Mike Schinkel wrote: > The core problem is no strategies have been adopted to avoid naming > collisions, and to avoid having the whole concept self destruct from it's > own weight of complexity. People who want to contribute but can't because > the centralized Microformat community is not interest

Re: [uf-discuss] New Microformats Cheatsheet PDF

Ryan Cannon wrote: > ... I till prefer ?, + and *, as I have to continually move my > eye between the two charts in order to remember which is which. I would > remember ?, + and *. --- while i agree, i am trying to strike a happy balance between those of use who KNOW the REGEX syntax and those who

Re: [uf-discuss] species microformats & OpenSearch

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shorthouse, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >ou wrote (END) >[David Shorthouse wrote:] Please note my earlier comment on quoting formats. >And this is exactly what uBio already provides with their LinkIT tool >(http://names.mbl.edu/tools/linkit.php) and essenti