Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

On Feb 8, 2007, at 12:00 PM, David Janes wrote: On 2/8/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8 Feb 2007, at 19:02, David Janes wrote: > On 2/8/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nothing special is needed at /blog/contact/. >> >> -ryan > > But that's the authoritative hCard. […] >

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

On Feb 8, 2007, at 11:02 AM, David Janes wrote: On 2/8/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nothing special is needed at /blog/contact/. But that's the authoritative hCard. What's the algorithm (or heuristic) that I follow if I'm a parser looking at the blog at microformats.org, see your

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On 2/8/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8 Feb 2007, at 19:02, David Janes wrote: > On 2/8/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nothing special is needed at /blog/contact/. >> >> -ryan > > But that's the authoritative hCard. […] > > Sorry if this sounds pedantic, I'm not trying

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On 8 Feb 2007, at 19:02, David Janes wrote: On 2/8/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nothing special is needed at /blog/contact/. -ryan But that's the authoritative hCard. […] Sorry if this sounds pedantic, I'm not trying to be. There's some assumption in what you're saying that

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On 2/8/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nothing special is needed at /blog/contact/. -ryan But that's the authoritative hCard. What's the algorithm (or heuristic) that I follow if I'm a parser looking at the blog at microformats.org, see your partial hCard and try to find your authorit

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On Feb 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, David Janes wrote: On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:50 PM, David Janes wrote: > On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes there are several problems: >> >> 1. XFN applies to whole pages. This means that you can't re

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:50 PM, David Janes wrote: > On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes there are several problems: >> >> 1. XFN applies to whole pages. This means that you can't reliably put >> different people's hCards on the sam

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On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:50 PM, David Janes wrote: On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes there are several problems: 1. XFN applies to whole pages. This means that you can't reliably put different people's hCards on the same page and do this. 2. We have prior art that is being igno

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On 2/7/07, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes there are several problems: 1. XFN applies to whole pages. This means that you can't reliably put different people's hCards on the same page and do this. 2. We have prior art that is being ignored. Publishers are already using ... to do this.

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Ben Ward wrote: Chris Messina: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard"; class="fn url" rel="me self">Chris Messina Citizen Agency ... John Allsopp: The "definition" of the self attribute value in Atom is "self: the feed itself". The term "the" seems to

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There is quite a lot of interest in this topic. With all the voices, it's becoming quite difficult to keep track of what we're talking about, and who thinks what. I've added this issue to the hcard-issues page. I would

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

Just chiming in my two pence here: Rather than something like @rel="me self", would a better idea not be to look at including some kind of way of authenticating the source such as a MicroID hash? This has already been discussed on the MicroId list along the lines of this: @rel="me microid-mailt

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On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Ben Ward wrote: My understanding therefore, is that @rel=me indicates that it is the same person. @rel=self indicates that it is the same hcard. Therefore the absolute authoritative hcard we speak of may (I expect will) contain other links with @rel=me but will

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On Jan 31, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Ben Ward wrote: According to the spec, rel="self me" is invalid *unless* you do not include the XFN profile on your Web site. Sorry, I've got muddled here. According to which spec? Are you referring to the “Exclusive of all other XFN values” part of the @rel=me spe

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On 1/31/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The authoratitive hcard will also contain @rel="me". Firstly, to fulfil XFN it must link back to the linking resource and as a full hCard it will still contain URLs with @rel="me" pointing to the other sites I own. Hang on, linking /back/ to the r

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I'm trying to catch up, but I'm finding it a bit difficult. The problem with rel="me" is that it's merely an alternative version, and not authoritative or canonical, right? Why is rel="me self" desirable though? Were there any other alternatives considered? Thanks, Ben West On 1/31/07, David

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On 31 Jan 2007, at 17:24, Ara Pehlivanian wrote: Ben, Don't you think he has a point though? If you think of it, rel="me" could suffice in that it refers to yourself at another URL (in line with the idea of an authoritative hCard) and once you get there and read that hCard and discover that it d

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To further muddy the water, is it wise to start adding @rel="me" to indicate authoritative hCards? If I have a list of employees (please forgive any markup errors): John Doe Jane Doe Then an XFN parser will surely interpret that the 'me' on the linked pages is the same as the 'me' of the

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On 1/31/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:15, Ryan Cannon wrote: > It's definition is "A link to yourself at a > different URL"[1]. Correct. Which is still valid in the rel="me self" case. > According to the spec, rel="self me" is invalid *unless* > you do not includ

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On 31 Jan 2007, at 16:15, Ryan Cannon wrote: It's definition is "A link to yourself at a different URL"[1]. Correct. Which is still valid in the rel="me self" case. According to the spec, rel="self me" is invalid *unless* you do not include the XFN profile on your Web site. Sorry, I've got

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On 1/31/07, Ryan Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm getting into this late, but isn't the entire concept behind rel="me"? rel="me" links *must* be symmetric in order to create a distributed verification system?. It's definition is "A link to yourself at a different URL"[1]. According to the sp

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On Jan 31, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Ara Pehlivanian wrote: Just to stir the pot a little, and maybe it's a good idea to consider authenticity in the whole discussion of authoritative cards. What guarantees that when someone creates an hCard and puts rel="me self" that they are giving the correct URL and

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

If Ben places a vcard on a random page with url="http://ben-ward.co.uk/";, a consumer can optionally look there to find an authoritative hCard. Just to stir the pot a little, and maybe it's a good idea to consider authenticity in the whole discussion of authoritative cards. What guarantees that

Re: Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

On 1/31/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are voting only on the use of @rel="me self" to reference an authoritative hCard that parsers should follow. e.g. http://ben-ward.co.uk/about"; rel="me self">Ben Ward Just to be 100% pedantically clear: (Part I) If Ben puts this on his

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+1 On 1/31/07, Colin Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Ben Ward wrote: > On 31 Jan 2007, at 12:08, Colin Barrett wrote: >> Can I get a clearer idea of what exactly is people are +1-ing? I +1 >> @rel="self me", but am not willing to give my vote yet on using >> , as

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On Jan 31, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Ben Ward wrote: On 31 Jan 2007, at 12:08, Colin Barrett wrote: Can I get a clearer idea of what exactly is people are +1-ing? I +1 @rel="self me", but am not willing to give my vote yet on using , as it's not entirely clear if we're talking about mandating it,

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On 31 Jan 2007, at 12:08, Colin Barrett wrote: Can I get a clearer idea of what exactly is people are +1-ing? I +1 @rel="self me", but am not willing to give my vote yet on using , as it's not entirely clear if we're talking about mandating it, recommending it, etc. FWIW I'm not entirely con

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On Jan 31, 2007, at 3:46 AM, Frances Berriman wrote: On 31/01/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Messina: >> >> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard"; class="fn >> url" rel="me self">Chris Messina >> Citizen Agency >> ... >> >> John Allsopp: > The "definition" of the se

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On 31/01/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Messina: >> >> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard"; class="fn >> url" rel="me self">Chris Messina >> Citizen Agency >> ... >> >> John Allsopp: > The "definition" of the self attribute value in Atom is "self: the > feed itself". T

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+1 from me. On 1/30/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Messina: >> >> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard"; class="fn >> url" rel="me self">Chris Messina >> Citizen Agency >> ... >> >> John Allsopp: > The "definition" of the self attribute value in Atom is "self: the > fee

Vote on this: rel="me self" to indicate an authoritative hCard {was: Re: [uf-discuss] Authoritative hCards [was RE: Canonical hCards (was: Search on CSS element)]}

Chris Messina: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/hcard/#hcard"; class="fn url" rel="me self">Chris Messina Citizen Agency ... John Allsopp: The "definition" of the self attribute value in Atom is "self: the feed itself". The term "the" seems to indicate "definitiveness". So, I was initially