Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Fil
I'm not a great fan of natural language here. What if I want to write 3l33t (well, not at my age mind you), or punk, maybe use Oktober instead of October cause I'm a (admittedly bad) poet? The human will understand, the computer won't. -- Fil ___

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Dan Brickley
Fil wrote: I'm not a great fan of natural language here. What if I want to write 3l33t (well, not at my age mind you), or punk, maybe use Oktober instead of October cause I'm a (admittedly bad) poet? The human will understand, the computer won't. Or Chinese? Dan -- http://danbri.org/

Re: [uf-discuss] class=tag

2008-06-28 Thread Brian Suda
On 6/28/08, Fil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a class=tag href=http://example.com/tags/NotThis;TheTag/a We use rel='tag' heavily, even embed it in RSS to convey metadata. Toby's suggestion would help us be compliant with µF in any case, and not only in when the user chooses the clean URLs

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread André Luís
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 00:11 +0100, Toby A Inkster wrote: The gist of mine is more about using RDFa to add information to hCards in order to encapsulate information which hCard itself can't represent (height, shoe size,

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
Perhaps we could solve this by changing the value of the abbr title attribute to a different, widely used date format that is both machine and date friendly? Take the JS date format, for instance? On 6/28/08, Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fil wrote: I'm not a great fan of natural

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Dan Brickley
Dimitri Glazkov wrote: Perhaps we could solve this by changing the value of the abbr title attribute to a different, widely used date format that is both machine and date friendly? Take the JS date format, for instance? Not everyone uses the same calendar. For example there are lot of blogs

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
André Luís wrote: this extension would only work on xHTML, right? Or is it possible to use rdfa in html? (I'm not that proficient in rdfa) It's not possible to use RDFa in valid HTML and adding all the element changes and new attributes necessary for RDFa to HTML is not part of the current

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Ed Lucas
George Brocklehurst wrote: Is it worth revisiting Tantek's original suggestion of using the object element to represent dates? [1] The idea was to do something like this: object data=20050125January 25/object From what Tantek said on his blog, the main reason for not using objects was

Re: [uf-discuss] RE: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Ben Ward
On 28 Jun 2008, at 13:03, André Luís wrote: October Oct. And other languages, like Portuguese: Outubro Out. This, however, could be handled with abbr, without hindering accessibility. span class=monthabbr title=OctoberOct./abbr/span With the current abbr-pattern, your example should

[uf-discuss] Re: Using object for datetimes (was: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought)

2008-06-28 Thread Ben Ward
On 28 Jun 2008, at 17:03, Ed Lucas wrote: George Brocklehurst wrote: Is it worth revisiting Tantek's original suggestion of using the object element to represent dates? [1] The idea was to do something like this: object data=20050125January 25/object This particular example is

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Using object for datetimes (was: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought)

2008-06-28 Thread Scott Reynen
On [Jun 28], at [ Jun 28] 11:09 , Ben Ward wrote: On 28 Jun 2008, at 17:03, Ed Lucas wrote: George Brocklehurst wrote: Is it worth revisiting Tantek's original suggestion of using the object element to represent dates? [1] The idea was to do something like this: object

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Using object for datetimes (was: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought)

2008-06-28 Thread George Brocklehurst
On 28 Jun 2008, at 18:09, Ben Ward wrote: I've pastied my test case, and would be grateful if people could test the behaviour in Internet Explorer: http://pastie.org/224023 IE 6, 7 and the beta version of IE 8 all visibly render the object element as a small box, similar to the way they

[uf-discuss] class=tag

2008-06-28 Thread Toby A Inkster
Brian Suda wrote: if you take a look at the 'category' property, it works how you are proposing to use 'tag'. Yes 'category' is defined for hCard, hCalendar and (possibly - it's ambiguous) hListing. But it's not for xFolk, hReview, hAtom or simply tagging whole pages. -- Toby A Inkster

[uf-discuss] Re: Using object for datetimes (was: Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought)

2008-06-28 Thread Toby A Inkster
Ben Ward wrote: On 28 Jun 2008, at 17:03, Ed Lucas wrote: object data=20050125January 25/object This particular example is invalid, as the data= attribute must contain a URI, and a URI cannot start with a number. It's perfectly valid. Absolute URIs can't start with a number, but

[uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Toby A Inkster
André Luís wrote: this extension would only work on xHTML, right? Or is it possible to use rdfa in html? (I'm not that proficient in rdfa) The RDFa people have only specifically defined RDFa in terms of XHTML. This is for mostly pragmatic rather than ideological reasons - it was far

[uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previously thought

2008-06-28 Thread Toby A Inkster
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis: If you want to to use RDF in an HTML context, look to eRDF eRDF is an interesting experiment, but not particularly practical. Probably the biggest practical problem with it is the use of the id attribute to indicate that (by the attribute's mere presence) an

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats and RDFa not as far apart as previouslythought

2008-06-28 Thread Michael MD
The focus seems to have drifted toward smarter parsing of dates, but the Sure ... splitting the date into day, month and year could be workable, or somehow describing a date format in another element, if there is a standard way to do it and it is easy to do, but I'm opposed to anything that