Re: FAQ License?

2008-07-28 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 07:44:38PM -0700, my mail wrote: i have search for keywords OpenBSD FAQ License but can found it. It's same license with OpenBSD in http://openbsd.org/policy.html ? if different where i can found BSD license for document not for binary or source code or can i use BSD

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree: https://dev.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi/browser/trunk/package/ath9k/src/drivers/net/wireless/ath9k The following thread

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
openbsd misc wrote: interessting point. How about dumping it to a file or something so you are able to check what was loaded last time (e.g. a file with 400 under /var/whatever)? What I want is, I have a script that when I commit a ruleset with pfctl it uses pfctl to query the loaded rules

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Almir Karic
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 09:18:39AM +0100, Charlie Clark wrote: openbsd misc wrote: interessting point. How about dumping it to a file or something so you are able to check what was loaded last time (e.g. a file with 400 under /var/whatever)? What I want is, I have a script that when I

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree:

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
Almir Karic wrote: diff of a loaded ruleset is not that useful (for humans) IMHO, a better way would be to diff the ruleset (possibly excluding the comments and spaces etc). even better way to do that would be to JustDoIt (no diff checking whatsoever, and let the admins reload the rule when

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:30:41AM +0100, Charlie Clark wrote: Almir Karic wrote: diff of a loaded ruleset is not that useful (for humans) IMHO, a better way would be to diff the ruleset (possibly excluding the comments and spaces etc). even better way to do that would be to JustDoIt (no

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
Then, if this is still such a big issue, you can write some scripts that will give you something along the lines of Junipers 'commit confirmed' .. you first enable a ruleset which will be automatically reverted in 5 or 10 (or however many you like) minutes. Then, if you don't lock yourself out,

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-28, Charlie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have, this is the script I am talking about, I want to know how to make the script know about option changes, eg. block policy, state policy block policy and state policy don't get sent to /dev/pf, they only affect how pfctl(8) parses

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
don't you have some way to handle the other situations where pfctl -sr doesn't output exactly what pfctl -f was fed as input? how do you handle macros or the ruleset optimiser? There are no macro's as I'm using fwbuilder to build the ruleset and isn't the ruleset optimiser is set using a set

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008/07/28 11:37, Charlie Clark wrote: don't you have some way to handle the other situations where pfctl -sr doesn't output exactly what pfctl -f was fed as input? how do you handle macros or the ruleset optimiser? There are no macro's as I'm using fwbuilder to build the ruleset and

Re: FAQ License?

2008-07-28 Thread Rogier Krieger
If I'm not mistaken, there has already been a thread [1] on this, including an explanation [2] of the various considerations involved. 1. MARC.info - OpenBSD-misc - Thread 'BSD Documentation License?' http://marc.info/?t=12061249355r=1w=2 2. MARC.info - OpenBSD-misc - Nick Holland - 'Re: BSD

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008/07/28 11:37, Charlie Clark wrote: don't you have some way to handle the other situations where pfctl -sr doesn't output exactly what pfctl -f was fed as input? how do you handle macros or the ruleset optimiser? There are no macro's as I'm using

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-28, Charlie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008/07/28 11:37, Charlie Clark wrote: don't you have some way to handle the other situations where pfctl -sr doesn't output exactly what pfctl -f was fed as input? how do you handle macros or the ruleset

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Clark
Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-07-28, Charlie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008/07/28 11:37, Charlie Clark wrote: don't you have some way to handle the other situations where pfctl -sr doesn't output exactly what pfctl -f was fed as input? how

Dumb Alpha question?

2008-07-28 Thread Tor Houghton
Hello, The supported hardware page for Alpha says that most devices for pci(4) are supported. Does this mean that it will support a PCI SATA card with, e.g. a SiL3512 chipset? Alternatively (if no), is there a way of getting SATA disks into an Alphaserver 800? Tor

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Denis Doroshenko
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Reyk Floeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They neither apologized for all the trouble nor give me any credits for my work. ath9k would not exist without my work on the OpenBSD ar5k driver, it was a door opener, the base of the ath5k port, and Atheros' way into

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread David Vasek
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so I was able to avoid looking at it. There is a version in the OpenWRT tree:

Re: Dumb Alpha question?

2008-07-28 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:31:37PM +0200, Tor Houghton wrote: Hello, The supported hardware page for Alpha says that most devices for pci(4) are supported. Does this mean that it will support a PCI SATA card with, e.g. a SiL3512 chipset? Alternatively (if no), is there a way of

missing clue regarding IPv6, vlans bridging

2008-07-28 Thread dermiste
Hi misc, my ISP is kind enough to provide native IPv6 access, so I'd like to have a full-IPv6 intranet. IPv6 addresses are assigned with rtadv and IPv4 with DHCP The setup : curry: OpenBSD-current, Thinkpad x41. /etc/hostname.bge0: up /etc/hostname.vlan0: vlan 0 vlandev bge0 up

Re: pfctl

2008-07-28 Thread Lars Noodén
Paul de Weerd wrote: ... If your admins lock themselves out, they shouldn't have been typing on the machine in the first place. Accidents do happen, so surely you have OOB access (serial console, anyone ?). Then, if this is still such a big issue, you can write some scripts that will give you

Re: SATA/PATA boot order

2008-07-28 Thread Steve Shockley
Chris Bennett wrote: This is so simple if you know the answer, and very hard otherwise. /etc/fstab will refuse to work unless the wd0 and etc are correct. Thanks for the reply. So, the only way to get it to work is to tell OpenBSD it's booting from wd1? Inconvenient, but workable.

keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Tony Berth
I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one, nothing happens! I get following reply: keyboard.encoding - de but my keyboard is still on the US charset! What do I miss? Thanks fot your help Tony

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one, nothing happens! I get following reply: keyboard.encoding - de but my keyboard is still on the US charset! What do

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Louis V. Lambrecht
Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one, nothing happens! I get following reply: keyboard.encoding - de

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Eric Furman
Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:34 -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I threw my git saving throw so

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Sunnz
2008/7/29 Eric Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? http://www.atheros.com/contact/index.html Might work, you get e-mail, postal, and phone numbers to contact them with.

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Louis V. Lambrecht escreveu: Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one, nothing happens! I get following reply:

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Tony Berth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Louis V. Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one,

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Tony Berth
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Louis V. Lambrecht escreveu: Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:47:31AM -0400, Eric Furman wrote: | Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never | ever purchase one of their products? Maybe it's better to write a polite e-mail explaining the situation wrt documentation vs source code (even if it is ISC licensed). This is

Re: keyboard encoding [not worth reading sorry]

2008-07-28 Thread John Wright
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:24:10PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have to say that I'm via ssh/xterm to the box. I don't know if this makes a difference? hehe. (-:

Re: keyboard encoding [not worth reading sorry]

2008-07-28 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
John Wright escreveu: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:24:10PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote: I have to say that I'm via ssh/xterm to the box. I don't know if this makes a difference? hehe. (-: hahahahahahah... Tony, when you are sshing to a machine, the keyboard encoding that is used

Odd linking message (please relink your binary)

2008-07-28 Thread Edd Barrett
Hi, I have this strange link message for xetex (Im building binaries for the TL DVD, its nothing to do with the port). Take a look at this: http://tug.org/pipermail/tlbuild/2008q3/000310.html Does anyone have any clue what is happening here? -- Best Regards Edd

Re: BIND and CNAME-ing

2008-07-28 Thread Parvinder Bhasin
Thanks Paul!!! Wow!!! is the only thing that comes to my mind. Didn't even know that DNAME existed. I will definately read up on it. Thanks a bunch! -Parvinder Bhasin On Jul 25, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:49:55PM -0700, Parvinder Bhasin wrote:

Re: Dumb Alpha question?

2008-07-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Tor Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The supported hardware page for Alpha says that most devices for pci(4) are supported. Does this mean that it will support a PCI SATA card with, e.g. a SiL3512 chipset? I would expect it. However, SRM won't recognize the card so you can't boot from

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Hannah Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your keyboard an USB one? I observe the same with an USB keyboard. - keyboard.encoding=us.swapctrlcaps has no effect (in /etc/wsconsctl.conf) These settings only affect the _first_ keyboard in the system (wskbd0). Unfortunately, for a PC that

Re: keyboard encoding

2008-07-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/28/08, Tony Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have in 4.3 with a default US keyboard. When I set wsconsctl keyboard.encoding=de in order to get a German one, nothing happens! I get following reply: keyboard.encoding - de but my keyboard is still on the US charset! Are you using X?

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Marco Peereboom
P.S. And, btw., they were so eager to relicense Reyk's HAL from BSD licence to GPL -- isn't Atheros breaking the GPL licence of Linux's ath5k driver now? Didn't they argument, that the purpose of GPL is to protect their work from being used by big corporations for free? Which it doesn't.

Re: Performance issues with the DNS patch?

2008-07-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/26/08, J Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder is anyone is seeing performance issues with the patched DNS in the late snapshots? http://marc.info/?l=bind-usersm=121726908015389w=2

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread David Vasek
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: P.S. And, btw., they were so eager to relicense Reyk's HAL from BSD licence to GPL -- isn't Atheros breaking the GPL licence of Linux's ath5k driver now? Didn't they argument, that the purpose of GPL is to protect their work from being used by big

Re: Odd linking message (please relink your binary)

2008-07-28 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this strange link message for xetex (Im building binaries for the TL DVD, its nothing to do with the port). Take a look at this: http://tug.org/pipermail/tlbuild/2008q3/000310.html Does anyone have any clue what

Re: OpenBSD thumbdrives

2008-07-28 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Guenther wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, the finished flash drive is wonderfully useful. :) (I've got a 4G, partitioned out as 2G OpenBSD, 2G FAT32, which is

make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Jesus Sanchez
Hi, using 4.2. Just for curiosity... Can I make ls to NOT show the hidden files (.xinitrc , .vimrc, etc) when using as Root?? Thanks 4 all.

Re: make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/28/08, Jesus Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I make ls to NOT show the hidden files (.xinitrc , .vimrc, etc) when using as Root?? ls * ls | grep -v ^. sudo -u nobody ls find . -name [abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ]* -maxdepth 1 -print0 | xargs -0 ls -Cd | sed

Re: make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Prabhu Gurumurthy
man ls shows -A option is implicit when using as root. So in short it would be no. On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Jesus Sanchez wrote: Hi, using 4.2. Just for curiosity... Can I make ls to NOT show the hidden files (.xinitrc , .vimrc, etc) when using as Root?? Thanks 4 all.

Re: make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Jesus Sanchez
Ted Unangst escribis: On 7/28/08, Jesus Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I make ls to NOT show the hidden files (.xinitrc , .vimrc, etc) when using as Root?? ls * ls | grep -v ^. sudo -u nobody ls find . -name [abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ]* -maxdepth 1

Re: make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Toft
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:07:55PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On 7/28/08, Jesus Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I make ls to NOT show the hidden files (.xinitrc , .vimrc, etc) when using as Root?? ls * ls | grep -v ^. You need to escape the dot... e.g. grep -v ^\\\. sudo -u

Re: make ls not show dot-files as root

2008-07-28 Thread Martin Toft
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:16:22AM +0200, Martin Toft wrote: You need to escape the dot... e.g. grep -v ^\\\. Two backslashes is enough. My attempt at being a smart ass failed :-)

Re: DHCP question

2008-07-28 Thread Hari
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if that still doesn't work... after install, at the boot prompt, do boot -c, and the the upcoming UKC prompt do a disable acpi followed by quit once the system is running send dmesgs with and without acpi and acpidump

Re: FAQ License?

2008-07-28 Thread my mail
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Rogier Krieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rogier Krieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FAQ License? To: OpenBSD-misc list misc@openbsd.org Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:46 AM If I'm not mistaken, there has already been a thread [1] on this, including an

Re: DHCP question

2008-07-28 Thread Henning Brauer
* Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-29 02:52]: problem. As an aside, would a different NIC solve this problem? no. you have interrupt routing problems. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services

Re: BIND and CNAME-ing

2008-07-28 Thread Brian
But can't you overwrite in cache both the A and NS record to re-direct the whole domain with an answer and authority answer spoofed from the NS server? Isn't this the other poisoning problem that really hasn't been spoken about much? However, then you would need to have a NS to redirect with.

Re: atheros - just curious, ot

2008-07-28 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos
On Mon, July 28, 2008 11:47, Eric Furman wrote: Who can we write to at atheros to tell them I will never ever purchase one of their products? On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:18:34 -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 09:28:10AM -0500, Marco

Re: Atheros Drivers

2008-07-28 Thread Ringo Kamens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's the full story, people seemed to be wondering if the drivers were open/had binary blobs etc. - Original Message Subject: [FSF] Atheros releases free software wireless driver; no binary blobs Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:27:14