Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread André
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52:36AM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: accumulation of discomfort about the behavior of this community. It's not about a COMMUNITY here. It's about an OS and good code. If you want am smooth, senseless

Re: 4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-16 Thread damien . bergamini
| I've been having trouble with a 9285 in a low end Gateway | laptop/netbook. I've been tracking snapshots and it always locks up the | machine when I run 'ifconfig athn0 scan' after 5 seconds or so. Can not | switch to another terminal and can not log in over the network (fast | ethernet,

Re: issues with audio on Apr13 snapshot

2010-04-16 Thread Jan Stary
On Apr 15 14:20:02, Ted Roby wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:40 PM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hi there, with the april 13 snapshot i get fluctuations in the volume level and audible cracks and glitches when have e.g. a browser (opera) and mplayer open. So, when you

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: What detail in the original reply Theo sent to the OP (and quoted it later on this list) was rude? The lack of an answer. He could have said Yes. Check your nearest search engine for details. Which would have

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Artur Grabowski
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still believe that it's ok for guests to tell the hosts how to behave in their home. Amazing. What culture are you from? //art

Re: licensing

2010-04-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:57:40 -0600 Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: Now, did umplawny have the original right to put his restricted code into a project that was much more loosely licensed? If he did not, can I use his improperly licensed code (ie. does he forfeit his license by

Re: 4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-04-16, Noah Pugsley noa...@bendtel.com wrote: I've been having trouble with a 9285 in a low end Gateway laptop/netbook. I've been tracking snapshots and it always locks up the machine when I run 'ifconfig athn0 scan' after 5 seconds or so. Can not switch to another terminal and can

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Siju George
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: Multibooting is having several operating systems on one computer, and some means of selecting which OS is to boot. It is not a trivial task! If you don't understand what you are doing, you may end up deleting large

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Daniel Gracia Garallar
That attitude is shelfish, and I will try to state why: Linux want to conolize the world; OpenBSD exists for its own sake, that is the same as saying for the sake of both developer and curious users. You are expecting OpenBSD community should embrace you because Linux would like it: A new

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Re: Thunderbird 3 still wont send even after new profile

2010-04-16 Thread Markus Hennecke
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advice on ssvnc + scrotwm

2010-04-16 Thread LEVAI Daniel
Hi! While I am connected to another machine with ssvnc, I need to use the other hosts' wm's (which is scrotwm) hotkeys, bindings (like MOD+Arrow, MOD+q etc...). Both machines run scrotwm, and when I press the hotkeys, the local scrotwm always eats the keys. I can never send the keys binded

Re: advice on ssvnc + scrotwm

2010-04-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-04-16, LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote: Hi! While I am connected to another machine with ssvnc, I need to use the other hosts' wm's (which is scrotwm) hotkeys, bindings (like MOD+Arrow, MOD+q etc...). Both machines run scrotwm, and when I press the hotkeys, the local scrotwm

Re: issues with audio on Apr13 snapshot

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: I have experienced similar problems with mplayer when aucat was _not_ running. With aucat running, I never had that problem. I can absolutely confirm I was not running aucat with mplayer. I was not attempting to allow audio

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still believe that it's ok for guests to tell the hosts how to behave in

Examen de Certification BSDA : 1er Juin 2010 à Nantes

2010-04-16 Thread Anne-Gaelle Lunot
Bonjour, Une session de certification BSDA se diroulera le 1er Juin 2010 de 10h00 ` 11h30 ` Nantes, dans les locaux de l'Ecole EPITECH, situie 16-18 Rue Flandres-Dunkerque 1940 Les personnes intiressies sont invities ` s'enregistrer sur le site officiel de la Certification BSD :

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Tony Abernethy
Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still believe that it's ok for guests to tell

Re: advice on ssvnc + scrotwm

2010-04-16 Thread LEVAI Daniel
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:14:38PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2010-04-16, LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote: Hi! While I am connected to another machine with ssvnc, I need to use the other hosts' wm's (which is scrotwm) hotkeys, bindings (like MOD+Arrow, MOD+q etc...). Both

Re: licensing

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:30 AM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.orgwrote: Ted, 1.) A license declaration within a source file takes precedence over a license in an accompanying file. So, locality is more important than an air of officiality. Good. 2.) Even if you could trace how

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Donald Allen
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Tony Abernethy t...@servasoftware.com wrote: Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Stas Miasnikou
Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Tony Abernethy t...@servasoftware.com wrote: Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the

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Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Vijay Sankar
Donald Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Artur Grabowski a...@blahonga.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still believe that it's ok for guests to tell the

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Vijay Sankar vsan...@foretell.ca wrote: Regardless of your standards of etiquette that anyone may have violated, it is a shame that you would drop financial support for the OpenBSD project. It is especially unfair because there is nothing a developer can do

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Tony Abernethy
Donald Allen wrote: So you believe civility and correctness are mutually exclusive? Interesting. Hardly, but if I am given a choice, I will take correctness. You seem to be under the impression that either correctness is irrelevant or that somehow civility implies correctness. As for mutual

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Re: licensing

2010-04-16 Thread Thomas Pfaff
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:52:55 -0600 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: There's non-free software in the ports tree. Not in a real sense. The ports tree is a build infrastructure containing Makefiles, lists of files and where they should go, and (in a perfect world, continously

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 04:16:08PM +0800, Artur Grabowski wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still believe that it's ok for guests to tell the hosts how to behave in their

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 04:16:08PM +0800, Artur Grabowski wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I'm a *lot* older than nine. Yet you still

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 08:37:18AM -0600, Ted Roby wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 04:16:08PM +0800, Artur Grabowski wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: yeah, you can also find culture in petri dishes, you know... ;-) and Theo's counter? (still more trolling) *snag* (how can one take this thread seriously ?) You can't, if you take it correctly! At least pink noise

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Chris Dukes
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 03:26:14PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Chris Dukes pak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: Multibooting is having several operating systems on one computer, and some means of selecting which OS is to boot. It is not a trivial task! If you

LG android phone mass storage mount problem

2010-04-16 Thread frantisek holop
hi there, i am trying to mount the mass storage on my LG GW620 android phone. ugen0 at uhub0 port 3 LG Electronics Inc. LG Mobile USB Modem rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2 ugen0 detached umass0 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 LG Electronics Inc. LG Mobile USB Modem rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2

Re: 4.7 and AR5007

2010-04-16 Thread Noah Pugsley
damien.bergam...@free.fr wrote: [...] Yes, please run ifconfig athn0 debug before you scan (from the console), and send me the output. Damien Thanks Damien and Stuart, your suggestions are so much cheaper than shipping to France. BTW, this was all done at the console, no X. I tried it

OpenBSD on FLISOL 2010

2010-04-16 Thread Andres Genovez
Hi everyone, I will be presenting OpenBSD on FLISOL on Cuenca-Ecuador, I will be talking about its philosophy, groups, security, and a little workshop. Any help will be very appreciated (papers, guidelines, etc) Sincerely Andres Bitfrvst -- Atentamente Andris Genovez Tobar / Sistemas Elastix

Re: OpenBSD on FLISOL 2010

2010-04-16 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
2010/4/16 Andres Genovez andresgeno...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I will be presenting OpenBSD on FLISOL on Cuenca-Ecuador, I will be talking about its philosophy, groups, security, and a little workshop. Any help will be very appreciated (papers, guidelines, etc) Sincerely Andres Bitfrvst

Re: Xorg.conf with OpenBSD 4.6 macppc does not work with alternate configuration

2010-04-16 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 06:56:01PM -0700, Super Biscuit wrote: My apologies beforehand for using this message again. I had set the Vert and Horiz values according to those here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16t=20481start=60 The monitor I have is the same, I did try out the

Re: OpenBSD on FLISOL 2010

2010-04-16 Thread Andres Genovez
El 16 de abril de 2010 11:45, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org escribis: 2010/4/16 Andres Genovez andresgeno...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I will be presenting OpenBSD on FLISOL on Cuenca-Ecuador, I will be talking about its philosophy, groups, security, and a little

Re: Xorg.conf with OpenBSD 4.6 macppc does not work with alternate configuration

2010-04-16 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 07:04:20PM -0700, Super Biscuit wrote: I'm adding the Xorg.0 logs. (--) Using wscons driver X.Org X Server 1.5.3 Release Date: 5 November 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: OpenBSD 4.6 macppc Current Operating System: OpenBSD

Routing on two Nic's

2010-04-16 Thread Danny de Bont
Hi guys, Forgive me if this was asked before (since the start of this group) :-), But I really need your help. I have been using OpenBSD since version 3.2 (thanks Theo and others) as a VERY Simple ftp,nfs,ssh,mail and http server for small business networks strictly on LAN only, no internet

How secure is bsdauth with skey one time passwords, by itself.

2010-04-16 Thread trustlevel-two
Google turned up Races and dictionary attacks if the skey file is readable. I imagine dictionary attacks via bsd auth would be the only possible known attack on a properly setup system. I am intending to use it as a secondary line of defense but how secure would skey be as a primary defense. Are

Re: Routing on two Nic's

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Setup.forward and please read the whole rest of the faq before asking further questions. it will save you and everyone else time. thanks. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 06:54:55PM +0200, Danny de Bont wrote: Hi guys, Forgive me if this was asked before (since

Re: Routing on two Nic's

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Danny de Bont dannydeb...@telkomsa.netwrote: All jokes aside My router is on 10.0.0.2 Which router? The ADSL router? Can you configure it as a transparent bridge instead? Then you can let the OBSD box sit on the same subnet as the rest of your

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread trustlevel-two
Now I'm seeing new PCs with. 1) Primary partition for the M$ equivalent of /boot 2) Primary partition with the main M$ install 3) Primary partition with the recovery bits. Install Linux and that 4th primary partition becomes the extended partition. No place for OpenBSD. You can actually

Re: Routing on two Nic's

2010-04-16 Thread Scott McEachern
On 04/16/10 13:26, Ted Roby wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Danny de Bontdannydeb...@telkomsa.netwrote: All jokes aside My router is on 10.0.0.2 Which router? The ADSL router? Can you configure it as a transparent bridge instead? Then you can let the OBSD box sit

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread J Sisson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM, trustlevel-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You can actually have MANY more than 4 OS on one drive, but it does get rather complicated and not worth the effort which certainly wouldn't help here. The point was that OpenBSD requires a primary partition.

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
= Your analogy doesn't go far enough. Better: guests in a home being asked for contributions and also being insulted, both by the hosts. Guess it depends on your recent culture, I can recall many times when me and my

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.orgwrote: = Your analogy doesn't go far enough. Better: guests in a home being asked for contributions and also being insulted, both by the hosts.

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Re: licensing

2010-04-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:35:03 -0600 Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: All of the above means you only have two choices: A.) Contact the rights holder and convince them to change the license. B.) Maintain a port on your own, posting your updates to ports@, and do *NOT* expect (or

Re: licensing

2010-04-16 Thread Ted Roby
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM, J.C. Roberts list-...@designtools.orgwrote: If I have clean licensing on everything, can I then ask for addition to the tree? Of course you can ask, and if the port is both well done and well tested, then someone else might have enough interest to take

azalia drivers (VIA HD Audio) generates constant tone

2010-04-16 Thread Jim Lucas
Setup: Install 1, I have a base install of 4.6 FINAL Install 2, Upgrade of Install 1 system to 4.7 CURRENT Issue: When the system boots the speaker output is generating a constant tone or buzzing sound from the moment that is loads the azalia driver. Things I tried: I can mute the tone by

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread Steve Shockley
On 4/16/2010 10:57 AM, Marc Espie wrote: (yo, your momma used to suck dead Stallmans through straws) I find this highly insulting. used to, indeed.

Re: LG android phone mass storage mount problem

2010-04-16 Thread Pedro la Peu
i am trying to mount the mass storage on my LG GW620 android phone. ugen0 at uhub0 port 3 LG Electronics Inc. LG Mobile USB Modem rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2 Your phone is not configured as OpenBSD needs. it is a modem. then i turn on settings - sd card phone storage - mass storage only and

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-16 Thread shwegime
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, J Sisson wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM, trustlevel-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You can actually have MANY more than 4 OS on one drive, but it does get rather complicated and not worth the effort which certainly wouldn't help here. The point was that OpenBSD

Re: azalia drivers (VIA HD Audio) generates constant tone

2010-04-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 03:58:33PM -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: Setup: Install 1, I have a base install of 4.6 FINAL Install 2, Upgrade of Install 1 system to 4.7 CURRENT Issue: When the system boots the speaker output is generating a constant tone or buzzing sound from the moment that is loads