Re: Thanks for ksh

2014-09-30 Thread Marc Espie
People have long said the worst things about perl, but that's one thing that scripting language definitely gets right... It has a -T switch you have to use for every security sensitive script that handles potentially untrusted outside data. That switch is very thorough about not letting you do

Re: Ordering OpenBSD 5.6 in the US?

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Furman
https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order from this page; http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html#ca/cshop On Mon, Sep 29, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Andrew Lester wrote: Hey all, I notice the Softpro books seller, the only one for the US, indicates that they will no longer sell OpenBSD as distribution

Re: X dies after suspend to ram

2014-09-30 Thread Ted W.
On 09/28/14 09:11, Mike Larkin wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:12:55PM -0400, Ted W. wrote: I have really enjoyed the last few weeks of running OpenBSD on my Thinkpad. Almost everything I need works and or worked right out of the box. The only real issue I've noticed is that when the system

Re: X dies after suspend to ram

2014-09-30 Thread Mike Larkin
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 08:14:22AM -0400, Ted W. wrote: On 09/28/14 09:11, Mike Larkin wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:12:55PM -0400, Ted W. wrote: I have really enjoyed the last few weeks of running OpenBSD on my Thinkpad. Almost everything I need works and or worked right out of the box.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Martijn van Duren
On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 07:30 +0100, OpenBSD Europe wrote: Hi folks, I just noticed that in Germany Lehmanns (see OpenBSD's order-site) already accepts pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.6-release. Guess what I just did :-) My little contribution to the project along with a big THANK YOU to

How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Alan McKay
Hi folks, I've been googling for a couple of hours now and not coming up with much here. I see how to download the -release source and then verify it, but I cannot find any way to grab -stable from CVS and do the same. I guess the only way I do see is to start out with the -release code, verify

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Alan McKay
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Stefan Olsson stefan.karl.ols...@gmail.com wrote: I don't do this myself, but stable=patch branch, i.e. release + patches. All info you need is really in these two pages: Yes, I have it working great already. But at no point during that process does it have me

Re: Thanks for ksh

2014-09-30 Thread Mike.
On 9/30/2014 at 1:06 AM Stuart Henderson wrote: | [snip] | |Some other vectors: | |dhclient script - the dhclient in base doesn't have scripts any more, |so no issue there. Other dhclient implementations still do, unlikely |to use bash *by default*, though who knows what people may change on

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread trondd
There are SSH fingerprints published for each of the CVS servers. Alternatively, you use the patch files which are signed. There aren't so many of them that's it hard to catch up. Tim. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:27 AM,

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 30-09-2014 11:56, trondd wrote: There are SSH fingerprints published for each of the CVS servers. They are published on a clear http page and there is no SSHFP on the dns. You need to access the anoncvs page from different places, using different connections/vpns/proxies, to be sure you are

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread trondd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com wrote: On 30-09-2014 11:56, trondd wrote: There are SSH fingerprints published for each of the CVS servers. They are published on a clear http page and there is no SSHFP on the dns. You need to access the anoncvs

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Alan McKay
Sounds like I'll need to go with the signed tarballs for the -release and then apply the signed patches to get -stable. Dangit, I already had my process down (building from CVS) and now I have to change it ...

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 30-09-2014 12:46, trondd wrote: Sure, you have to somehow verify that the fingerprint is good and check it against the fingerprint you get when first connecting to the CVS server. How can you verify that fingerprint is good? I don't know. SSHFP. DNSSEC. And other ways. But these won't

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread trondd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com wrote: Is it good enough to grab the signed source tarball, then checkout from CVS over it and make sure nothing changed in the process? No, this won't cut it. Unless you check every line changed, and understand

Re: quotas grace period none right away

2014-09-30 Thread Boris Goldberg
Hello Otto, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 2:36:58 PM, you wrote: OM Try to come up with a reproducable test case, include all relevant OM info and then we can investigate. Here is what I could reproduce: root@mail1 ~ # quota test_spam Disk quotas for user test_spam (uid 1003): Filesystem

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Carlin Bingham
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 04:46 AM, trondd wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com wrote: On 30-09-2014 11:56, trondd wrote: There are SSH fingerprints published for each of the CVS servers. They are published on a clear http page and there is

Re: quotas grace period none right away

2014-09-30 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:20:23AM -0500, Boris Goldberg wrote: Hello Otto, Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 2:36:58 PM, you wrote: OM Try to come up with a reproducable test case, include all relevant OM info and then we can investigate. I indeed see strange things on sparc64 more or less

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 07:30 +0100, OpenBSD Europe wrote: Hi folks, I just noticed that in Germany Lehmanns (see OpenBSD's order-site) already accepts pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.6-release. Guess what I just did :-) My little contribution to the

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Ted Unangst
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 09:44, Alan McKay wrote: Hi folks, I've been googling for a couple of hours now and not coming up with much here. I see how to download the -release source and then verify it, but I cannot find any way to grab -stable from CVS and do the same. I guess the only way

Re: thinkpad wifi/dhclient issue

2014-09-30 Thread frantisek holop
the last part of this saga is, that i have moved to a new place, and the issue went away. so it seems it was router related. just another strange story from the home router front. -f -- i have nothing to say, but i can say it loudly.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread OpenBSD Europe
Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: The openbsdstore.com has opend. Guess what I just did? ;-) Cheers, STEFAN Yep. We had a some issues to start with. *Please*, if you order and hit a problem, email it to ord...@openbsdstore.com and not on these lists. It's *much* easier for

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2014-09-30, Stefan Wollny stefan.wol...@web.de wrote: I might have missed something, but could you provide me with an update on this issue? The openbsdstore.com has opend. So what does this mean with regard to Lehmanns? -- Christian naddy Weisgerber

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Fred Crowson
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 09:02:56PM +0200, Stefan Wollny wrote: Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 07:30 +0100, OpenBSD Europe wrote: Hi folks, I just noticed that in Germany Lehmanns (see OpenBSD's order-site) already accepts pre-orders for OpenBSD

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 09/30/14 um 21:45 schrieb Christian Weisgerber: So what does this mean with regard to Lehmanns? Guess ... ;-)

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread patrick keshishian
On 9/30/14, OpenBSD Europe m...@openbsdeurope.com wrote: Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: The openbsdstore.com has opend. Guess what I just did? ;-) Cheers, STEFAN Yep. We had a some issues to start with. *Please*, if you order and hit a problem, email it to

Re: Question re dhclient.conf

2014-09-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-09-30, sven falempin sven.falem...@gmail.com wrote: I also parse and do custom action with the lease file, so i forgot all concern about the absence of script hook. I also regurlarly monitor the lease, so i did not use http://entrproject.org/ , looks good stuff It is. This isn't

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 09/30/14 um 22:08 schrieb patrick keshishian: I'm not sure where exactly to send these questions, so i'm simply replying to all. Two questions: 1. Is there no option for guest checkout? Must I be forced to create an account? Nope - just order via email to od...@openbsdstore.com. 2.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread OpenBSD Europe
On 9/30/14, OpenBSD Europe m...@openbsdeurope.com wrote: Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: The openbsdstore.com has opend. Guess what I just did? ;-) Cheers, STEFAN Yep. We had a some issues to start with. *Please*, if you order and hit a problem, email it to

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-09-30, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like I'll need to go with the signed tarballs for the -release and then apply the signed patches to get -stable. binpatchng can help you with this process. But note that -stable sometimes has extra commits that don't have errata;

Re: OpenBSD 5.6 pre-orders in Germany possible

2014-09-30 Thread patrick keshishian
On 9/30/14, OpenBSD Europe m...@openbsdeurope.com wrote: On 9/30/14, OpenBSD Europe m...@openbsdeurope.com wrote: Am 09/30/14 um 14:42 schrieb Martijn van Duren: The openbsdstore.com has opend. Guess what I just did? ;-) Cheers, STEFAN Yep. We had a some issues to start with.

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Alan McKay
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: binpatchng can help you with this process. I will have to look into that But note that -stable sometimes has extra commits that don't have errata; release+patches is not quite the same thing as -stable. Can you

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Josh Grosse
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 04:33:35PM -0400, Alan McKay wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: binpatchng can help you with this process. I will have to look into that But note that -stable sometimes has extra commits that don't have errata;

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 30-09-2014 16:03, Ted Unangst wrote: In theory, we could sign the ssh fingerprint page, but I don't think that's a good idea at the current time. There are some issues with expiring old data. This would be a significant improvement. If you are 99,99% certain you got the release right, them

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-09-30, Giancarlo Razzolini grazzol...@gmail.com wrote: On 30-09-2014 16:03, Ted Unangst wrote: In theory, we could sign the ssh fingerprint page, but I don't think that's a good idea at the current time. There are some issues with expiring old data. This would be a significant

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 30-09-2014 20:24, Stuart Henderson wrote: There is no expiry time on a signify signature. If an anoncvs server were to be compromised such that you could no longer trust its key, there is no way we could revoke that signed web page. If an attacker was able to cause you to keep seeing an old

Re: How to follow -stable and verify it with signify?

2014-09-30 Thread Eric Furman
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014, at 09:02 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: On 30-09-2014 20:24, Stuart Henderson wrote: There is no expiry time on a signify signature. If an anoncvs server were to be compromised such that you could no longer trust its key, there is no way we could revoke that signed web