Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread marrandy
On Thursday 24 August 2006 12:48, you wrote: > > Would this not qualify as a signature and/or footer? > > Other than that, I agree with Marco's comment. I only bothered to respond with some comments and advice as this issue keeps coming up every few months. I left it in on purpose. Are you alw

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread Alexander Hall
marrandy wrote: On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:51, you wrote: Remove signatures and footers. Dan Farrell Applied Innovations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would this not qualify as a signature and/or footer? Other than that, I agree with Marco's comment.

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread Dan Farrell
> Dan, is it possible for you to use a different mail server than your > work's > Exchange platforms? POP/IMAP and SMTP elsewhere? Yahoo, hotmail, or > gmail? It is entirely possible as far as this list is concerned-- I suppose I have been avoiding this because I wanted have my cake and eat it,

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread LY-209
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:51:48AM -0400, Dan Farrell wrote: > > I'm forced to use Outlook at work (don't get me started, I hate it), > as I'm sure a few others here are... I've tried a few crappy add-ons > that will reverse the top-posting nature of Outlook, and they have all > failed. If anyon

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread Marco Peereboom
blah blah blah On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:16:46AM -0400, marrandy wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:51, you wrote: > > > And dammit don't top post. You're using outlook aren't you? God, fuck > > > outlook. Fuck outlook and it's shitty non-standard "look let's pretend > > > the reply button is

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread marrandy
On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:51, you wrote: > > And dammit don't top post. You're using outlook aren't you? God, fuck > > outlook. Fuck outlook and it's shitty non-standard "look let's pretend > > the reply button is the forward button" design. And then that forces > > you into top posting because

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread Josh Grosse
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:51:48AM -0400, Dan Farrell wrote: > > I'm forced to use Outlook at work (don't get me started, I hate it), as > I'm sure a few others here are... I've tried a few crappy add-ons that > will reverse the top-posting nature of Outlook, and they have all > failed. If anyone k

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-24 Thread Dan Farrell
> And dammit don't top post. You're using outlook aren't you? God, fuck > outlook. Fuck outlook and it's shitty non-standard "look let's pretend > the reply button is the forward button" design. And then that forces > you into top posting because otherwise it looks like the way the > message looks

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Nick Guenther
On 8/23/06, Jon R H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Spruell, Darren-Perot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Man

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Stefan
> The facts still stand. The dumb admins are the ones that don't read the man pages. Indeed. But to put it more nicely for everyone: The fact remains that the most important feature of UNIX type operating systems is the man pages. It's unfortunate that some OS's chose not to keep accurate or well

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > But what do i know ? > I am just some dude in a public forum! And too overly sensitive. Lay off the estrogen supplements, at least for a while. The facts still stand. The dumb admins are the ones that don't read the man pages. DS

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Jon R H
what do i know ? I am just some dude in a public forum! - Original Message - From: "Spruell, Darren-Perot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Man pages

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Man pages drives me nuts some times! > its the formating of them that gets me! > but i will use them with a open mind. That's something you'll have to get over - UNIX without the manual pages = 1 dumb admin. > Just seems kinds wild one of the best OS's > in the world ha

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Jon R H
Smooth Nick Vary smooth, I like that way of thanking Peace out - Original Message - From: "Nick Guenther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "OpenBSD-Misc" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD On 8/23/06, Jon R H

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Bryan Irvine
On 8/23/06, Matthias Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 01:20:04PM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > Just seems kinds wild one of the best OS's > in the world has no printed Manual, ya know ? Why kill trees? There are many books around that are just print-outs of manpages of some u

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Nick Guenther
On 8/23/06, Jon R H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just seems kinds wild one of the best OS's in the world has no printed Manual, ya know ? It's so good it doesn't need one. -Nick

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 8/23/06, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Print the man pages. OpenBSD is simply the best documented OS. Almost everything you'll ever need is in the man pages. exactly. buy a CD set or two, a shirt, and a poster instead of a book you don't need and support the project.

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 01:20:04PM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > Just seems kinds wild one of the best OS's > in the world has no printed Manual, ya know ? Why kill trees? There are many books around that are just print-outs of manpages of some unix system with some additional colophon. (I remember my

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Marco Peereboom
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD > > > >On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > >>Hello Group. > >>Need some help understanding 3.9 stable > >

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Jon R H
" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Jon R H wrote: Hello Group. Need some help understanding 3.9 stable and what it means from a pkg stand point! I mean does st

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Robert C Wittig
Jon R H wrote: Dose OpenBSD have a printed manual like FreeBSD has "The complete FreeBSD 4th Ed" and also the "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" In addition to what Josh Grosse has already told you, there is a 'No Starch Press' book titled 'Absolute OpenBSD' (20

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > As for books, you might consider: One other that I like: Mastering FreeBSD and OpenBSD Security (O'Reilly, 2005) http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mfreeopenbsd/ DS

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread jjhartley
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > > Dose OpenBSD have a printed manual like... > > Starting with your documentation questions: AFAIK, OpenBSD's official > documentation is limited to: > > * The definitive man pages. > * The published FAQ > * The PF User's Guide >

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Terry
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > Hello Group. > Need some help understanding 3.9 stable > and what it means from a pkg stand point! > I mean does stable give me more options > then the release ver of 3.9! > > Dose OpenBSD have a printed manual > like FreeBSD has "The comp

Re: Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Josh Grosse
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Jon R H wrote: > Hello Group. > Need some help understanding 3.9 stable > and what it means from a pkg stand point! > I mean does stable give me more options > then the release ver of 3.9! > > Dose OpenBSD have a printed manual > like FreeBSD has "The comp

Looking for general info on OpenBSD

2006-08-23 Thread Jon R H
Hello Group. Need some help understanding 3.9 stable and what it means from a pkg stand point! I mean does stable give me more options then the release ver of 3.9! Dose OpenBSD have a printed manual like FreeBSD has "The complete FreeBSD 4th Ed" and also the "The Design and Implementation of the