Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-09 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:50:21PM +, james wrote: Include /usr/local/mozilla-firefox in the ldconfig line and run the ldconfig command through /usr/local/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh (or manually set

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-09 Thread eagirard
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:20:01PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? On my main desktop, I use debian.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Dusty
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? Seamonkey? Also, (for the rest of you on misc) as far as security goes, the OpenBSD development team

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Pau
on obsd 4.2 SM is 1.1.4... there are some issues But in any case I absolutely agree with you that fatfox is very resource-unfriendly I think I'm going to switch to links Is there a flash plugin for it?? ... hehe By the way... why is lynx default page openbsd.org? I thought all packages were

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long - time: 20 seconds... :/ (Pentium II 400, 256 MB RAM, SATA drive, OpenBSD

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long -

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: There should be the other ones; on the NetBSD 3.1 Firefox is ready to work in about 4 seconds... quite a difference, isn't it? Do they already do prebinding? AFAIK they have something called RelCache (aka ELF prebinding),

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Dale Rahn
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty wrote: I use Seamonkey. It works. Why use Seamonkey? It is more resource friendly than running Firefox+Thunderbird+whatever. Both are starting in about the same - long -

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Pau
In my case this does help ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin and has never been a problem 2008/4/8, Dale Rahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:34:49PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:51:32PM +0200, Dusty

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 07:03:43PM +0200, Pau wrote: In my case this does help ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. -- pozdrawiam / regards

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
It's made to be secure, it's prone to be installed on a server not just a fuckin desktop o.s. Well, it depends. I use OpenBSD as a critical-mission server and as a common daily desktop. I'm very happy in both cases. A secure, funcional and free desktop, of course. -- Thanks, Jordi Espasa

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Marco S Hyman
Zbigniew Baniewski writes: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as the firefox binary is not in any of the given paths. // marc

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:39:29PM -0700, Marco S Hyman wrote: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as the firefox binary is not in any of the given paths.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread james
Zbigniew Baniewski zb at ispid.com.pl writes: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:39:29PM -0700, Marco S Hyman wrote: ldconfig -SP /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin Just tried the sequence - can't see any difference, unfortunately. Not suprising as

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Daniel Horecki
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Zbigniew Baniewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: There should be the other ones; on the NetBSD 3.1 Firefox is ready to work in about 4 seconds... quite a difference, isn't it? Do they already

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:50:21PM +, james wrote: Include /usr/local/mozilla-firefox in the ldconfig line and run the ldconfig command through /usr/local/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh (or manually set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include /usr/local/mozilla-firefox) I think, the latter method is

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:56:29PM +0200, Daniel Horecki wrote: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-userlevel/2002/12/04/0017.html You mean, exactly this is making a difference? If I recall correctly, it was never commited to the sources. Anyway, NetBSD haven't any prelink/prebind

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Stephen Takacs
Matthew Szudzik wrote: What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? /usr/bin/lynx is actually pretty good for a lot of things, and if you rebuild it with '--enable-externs', it can launch scripts or another browser on the current page or current link. It even has an almost foolproof

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:20:01PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? On my main desktop, I use debian.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Unix Fan
I back ported Firefox 2.0.0.12 to OpenBSD 4.2+patches, I can't believe the OpenBSD team is letting people use the insecure 2.0.0.6 version, We believe in security my ass. OpenBSD 4.3 will have 2.0.0.12, unfortunately 2.0.0.13 is out, and that fixes yet another security problem... so, manual

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:43:43AM -0700, Unix Fan wrote: I back ported Firefox 2.0.0.12 to OpenBSD 4.2+patches, I can't believe the OpenBSD team is letting people use the insecure 2.0.0.6 version, We believe in security my ass. or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy,

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Jim Razmus
* Unix Fan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080407 08:57]: I back ported Firefox 2.0.0.12 to OpenBSD 4.2+patches, I can't believe the OpenBSD team is letting people use the insecure 2.0.0.6 version, We believe in security my ass. OpenBSD 4.3 will have 2.0.0.12, unfortunately 2.0.0.13 is out, and that

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Unix Fan
Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? That's a stupid outlook on things... 2.0.0.6 was released in July, that's a hell of a long time between April, exploits in depencies are bound to show up in that time frame. OpenBSD

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Devin Smith
Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? That's a stupid outlook on things... 2.0.0.6 was released in July, that's a hell of a long time between April, exploits in depencies are bound to show up in that time frame.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Nick Templeton
Unix Fan wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? That's a stupid outlook on things... 2.0.0.6 was released in July, that's a hell of a long time between April, exploits in depencies are bound to show up in that

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Matthew Szudzik
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest?

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Unix Fan
Nick Templeton wrote: Didn't you participate in this flamefest already: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119750317632017w=2 You already know the reasons for this. -Nick Why yes, it would seem I did previously participate in an almost identical discussion... the things you learn.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Unix Fan
Devin Smith wrote: Why not use Dillo? Fast, light weight. If your site doesn't work in Dillo, why not make it work? http://www.openbsd.org renders in it. You're welcome to submit patches to the dillo team. Because it's the worlds must lamest browser, next to lynx of coarse. None

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Marti Martinez
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Devin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're welcome to submit patches to the dillo team. To a project that has a two year old changelog, and hasn't updated their website in approximately the same timeframe? Is dillo development active on some underground level

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
...providing resources for OUR security... what, like untrusted binaries from an unknown anonymous source, sent via some file sharing site? If I ran 4.2 on boxes where I use a web browser, I'd sooner take my chances with slightly older OpenBSD-provided packages and noscript. You do realise that

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Pau
You do realise that with your abrasive posts, you're pissing off the very people you're suggesting do the work, right? I don't think they realise

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Unix Fan
Stuart Henderson wrote: .. You do realise that with your abrasive posts, you're pissing off the very people you're suggesting do the work, right? Yes, I realise that, and I'm not trying to offend...intentionally.. *sigh*... I'll stop posting, the developers have already made it clear

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Michael Small
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:00:44PM -0700, Unix Fan wrote: ... I'll stop posting, the developers have already made it clear to us end-users... We'll provide you with a secure system, but.. hell, once you get it.. it won't be secure anymore, wait another 6 months, it'll be secure again.

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Monday 07 April 2008 14:00, you wrote: We'll provide you with a secure system, but.. hell, once you get it.. it won't be secure anymore, wait another 6 months, it'll be secure again. briefly. The developers provide a secure system that can be downloaded completely free of charge. If you

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Daniel A. Ramaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 April 2008 14:00, you wrote: We'll provide you with a secure system, but.. hell, once you get it.. it won't be secure anymore, wait another 6 months, it'll be secure again. briefly. The developers

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 10:22:07AM -0700, Unix Fan wrote: OpenBSD developers are intentionally putting their users at risk by not providing security updates bullshit. -current ports gets security updates all the time. and yes, I am saying to use -current if you need ports and can't/don't

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:00:44PM -0700, Unix Fan wrote: Stuart Henderson wrote: .. You do realise that with your abrasive posts, you're pissing off the very people you're suggesting do the work, right? Yes, I realise that, and I'm not trying to offend...intentionally..

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-07 Thread raven
Unix Fan ha scritto: Stuart Henderson wrote: .. You do realise that with your abrasive posts, you're pissing off the very people you're suggesting do the work, right? Yes, I realise that, and I'm not trying to offend...intentionally.. *sigh*... I'll stop