Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-15 Thread Michael Hekeler
Am 13.03.22 03:38 schrieb i...@tutanota.com: > (...) > In my 30 years of doing sysadmin work, I have never - not even once - come > across a > situation where a normal editor like vi or nano or something equally simple > didn't > exist on the install media. Maybe I am wrong, but I am thinking

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 05:54:03PM -0700, Jacqueline Jolicoeur wrote: > Hi, > > On Mar 12 16:39, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > I know I am not going to get any points for this, but I had to fix a broken > > OpenBSD box today that could not boot and I didn't have any network for a > > couple of

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-13 Thread Sean Kamath
> On Mar 12, 2022, at 18:38, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > In my 30 years of doing sysadmin work, I have never - not even once - come > across a > situation where a normal editor like vi or nano or something equally simple > didn't > exist on the install media. Lucky you, never ever having to

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-13 Thread adr
Whow, a book to learn ed... just take a look to the man page. If you are a vi user you should need only 5 minutes to see what subset of ex commands its grandpa supports. Lets change the home partition to another disk, so people reading this nonsense don't get scared... $ ed /etc/fstab 518 #

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-13 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:37:51PM +0100, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > Here's just the book for you: > > Michael W. Lucas, Ed Mastery > > https://mwl.io/nonfiction/tools#ed > > I already have that book, which is why I KNOW I will never want to use > ed :) It takes less than half an hour to

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread David Rinehart
On 3/12/22 08:39, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > I know I am not going to get any points for this, but I had to fix a broken > OpenBSD box today that could not boot and I didn't have any network for a > couple of hours, which made me stuck with ed from the boot media. > > So I did "man ed", which of

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 9:41 PM wrote: > At least I will make sure to always have a custom install media ready. Make sure you test it before you need to rely on it. (Also, using echo isn't necessarily a bad idea, though there are faster approaches. If retyping a line because of a typo is a

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 4:48 PM wrote: > I already have that book, which is why I KNOW I will never want to use > ed :) > > But thank you all for your feedback. I will make a custom install media > from now on. I have been trying to figure out what's going on here: you have not really explained

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Well, I think you should accept that this community features its own dogmas, like no zfs/hammerfs/ext4/xfs, bsd.rd smallest possible, no bluetooth, a prehistoric wm in base, and so on. Either you understand it or quit, because they won't change their minds :( I also asked for vi years ago and

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Ian Darwin: > It doesn't take that long to learn ed from the "bottom line" of vi, ed(1) is much like an interactive version of sed(1). Which is no coincidence. If you know the basics of sed(1), ed(1) is straightforward. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Christian Weisgerber
i...@tutanota.com: > I know how to use vi, but ed just draws the line. Here's just the book for you: Michael W. Lucas, Ed Mastery https://mwl.io/nonfiction/tools#ed -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2022-03-12, Sven F. wrote: >> > Out of room? What does that even mean? Are you still using floppy disks!? Some of the install images *are* still using these, of course. The install images are there to run the installer. If you need a more complete system for repair purposes, boot from media

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Sven F.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sebastien Marie wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 08:00:10PM +0100, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > > > > > > Why does the ramdisk not include /usr/bin/vi by default? To date, > > > it is the only UNIX-like environment I have ever seen without some > > > form of vi. >

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Sebastien Marie
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 08:00:10PM +0100, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > > > Why does the ramdisk not include /usr/bin/vi by default? To date, > > it is the only UNIX-like environment I have ever seen without some > > form of vi. > > Theo's answer: "For the same reasons it doesn't contain a web

Re: Please put vi in base

2022-03-12 Thread Ian Darwin
> Could we please get vi into base? Even the most basic version would do. um, vi has been in base for years. It has not been in the install media, which are chronically short out of room. I would not advise you to hold your breath for vi to appear there in the next week or so. It doesn't take