Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-09 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:01:18 -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: You are a prick. I don't know what his problem was but Back in early September I bought a new netbook. A samsung NC20. It has 1280x800 video. In the past I've had fun with video doing X so I thought I'd toss a quick install of a

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-12-09 Thread Sunnz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 2009/11/29 Brynet : Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: Actually, I'm used to recommend nvidia cards (desk laptop) for most people because they do support most open source systems (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris), which is way better than ati at

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-12-09 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 07:27:01AM -0500, Brynet wrote: Hi, From what I can find, this is a GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M based chipset.. xf86-video-nv does not have the product ID listed in the attach structure, this could be due to incompability with the chipset or maintainer neglegence

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
You are a prick.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread SJP Lists
2009/12/6 rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com: Another sensitive type. Guess there are always a few on every list. Your manner is counter productive, including for yourself. So why do you persist? Unless of course you're more interested in causing mischief than getting anything out of OpenBSD.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread Soner Tari
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Soner Tari so...@comixwall.org wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 21:30 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: Making hardware is a lot more difficult than writing software. So it takes more resources and more skills.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread FRLinux
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: Why did I say that? Let's take a poll on this list of how many people are using one of those cards? Or any list, anywhere. I have not contributed to it in anyway. But why is that relevant? Can you explain? And how did you

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 11:11:07AM +0200, Soner Tari wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 17:08 -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Soner Tari so...@comixwall.org wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 21:30 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: Making hardware is a lot more difficult than

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread Soner Tari
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 10:16 -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Since your reply implicitly replaced making with designing, that shouldn't prove to much of a stretch. My reply explicitly emphasizes the difficulty in designing software, which is part of writing it. Otherwise, I mention I am against

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread Andrew Dyer
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Matthieu Herrb mhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: Yes, I'd like to see some pointers also. I recall that there was discussion (might've been on linux kernel) a while ago about a partially-open video

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread Paul Irofti
Oh, we have another troll on the lists! Welcome rhubbell! May ignorance be with you and stupidity always guide your emails, amen!

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-06 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 06:43:01PM +0200, Soner Tari wrote: On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 10:16 -0500, William Boshuck wrote: Since your reply implicitly replaced making with designing, that shouldn't prove to much of a stretch. My reply explicitly emphasizes the difficulty in designing software,

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:33:22 -0200 Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 08:20:16AM +, Matthieu Herrb wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com wrote: I have 4.6 amd64 installed and can't get X to work at 1280x800. --snip-- Stay away from

Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Matthieu Herrb
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: Yes, I'd like to see some pointers also. I recall that there was discussion (might've been on linux kernel) a while ago about a partially-open video card. Why doesn't the community support that? You mean

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Soner Tari
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 21:30 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: Making hardware is a lot more difficult than writing software. So it takes more resources and more skills. Sorry Matthieu, but I have to say that this is utter bullshit, and I believe such underestimation is the underlying reason that

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Soner Tari so...@comixwall.org wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 21:30 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: Making hardware is a lot more difficult than writing software. So it takes more resources and more skills. Sorry Matthieu, but I have to say that this is utter

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:08:36 -0500 Ted Unangst wrote: More than I've ever spent on all the computers I've ever written software with. How much would that be? Ballpark. Doesn't seem like it would be very much. Seems like you're just hand-waving without real numbers. Wikipedia has a money-raised

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:30:28 +0100 Matthieu Herrb wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: Yes, I'd like to see some pointers also. I recall that there was discussion (might've been on linux kernel) a while ago about a partially-open video card. Why

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread bofh
Come back and talk when you've bought one for yourself, and donated another to the project. KTHX HAND On 12/5/09, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:08:36 -0500 Ted Unangst wrote: More than I've ever spent on all the computers I've ever written software with. How

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
blah blah blah go away troll On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 02:59:19PM -0800, rhubbell wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:30:28 +0100 Matthieu Herrb wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: Yes, I'd like to see some pointers also. I recall that there was

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:14:00 -0500 bofh wrote: Come back and talk when you've bought one for yourself, and donated another to the project. Gee, ok. What have you contributed to it? You don't want to converse. Fine by me.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread bofh
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:14:00 -0500 bofh wrote: Come back and talk when you've bought one for yourself, and donated another to the project. Gee, ok. What have you contributed to it? You don't want to converse. Fine by me.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:10:19 -0500 bofh wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM, rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:14:00 -0500 bofh wrote: Come back and talk when you've bought one for yourself, and donated another to the project. Gee, ok. What have you

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread rhubbell
Another sensitive type. Guess there are always a few on every list. On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:14 -0600 Marco Peereboom wrote: fuck off troll On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 04:26:49PM -0800, rhubbell wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:10:19 -0500 bofh wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM,

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
rhubbell wrote: Another sensitive type. Guess there are always a few on every list. As distinguished from insensitive twerps like yourself.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Brynet
rhubbell wrote: Another sensitive type. Guess there are always a few on every list. It has nothing to do with sensitivity, we just have an aversion toward idiots. -Bryan.

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-05 Thread Tomáš Bodžár
wow now I have point. You are like kid on sand. Look they have thermometer and you haven't :-P :-D You don't have even any respect for long time OpenBSD developers or users which know a LOT more then you. Just because you are unqualified user doesn't mean that you can shout around on everyone.

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Matthieu Herrb
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com wrote: I have 4.6 amd64 installed and can't get X to work at 1280x800. After a default install X won't start and i get an error which i think is caused by nv. I created a xorg.conf file using X -configure and then changed the

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Brynet
Hi, From what I can find, this is a GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M based chipset.. xf86-video-nv does not have the product ID listed in the attach structure, this could be due to incompability with the chipset or maintainer neglegence (..the driver is very rarely updated). ---

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 08:20:16AM +, Matthieu Herrb wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com wrote: I have 4.6 amd64 installed and can't get X to work at 1280x800. After a default install X won't start and i get an error which i think is caused by nv. I

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 01:33:22PM -0200, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: I'm not a nvidia fanboy, but I've found the need to clarify what nvidia actually does for open source community. You mean, what nvidia does to close parts of unprincipled projects that like to call themselves 'open

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 01:33:22PM -0200, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: Actually, I'm used to recommend nvidia cards (desk laptop) for most people because they do support most open source systems (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris), which is way better than ati at least. I do know that OpenBSD

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Brynet
Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: Actually, I'm used to recommend nvidia cards (desk laptop) for most people because they do support most open source systems (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris), which is way better than ati at least. ATI(..now AMD) releases full NDA-free documentation on their

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Peter Miller
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Brynet bry...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, From what I can find, this is a GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M based chipset.. xf86-video-nv does not have the product ID listed in the attach structure, this could be due to incompability with the chipset or maintainer

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Brynet
Made the changes to nv_driver.c and built xenocara with the following # cd /usr/xenocara # rm -rf /usr/xobj/* # make bootstrap # make obj # make build Upon reboot when i use the nv driver X now recognizes my card, but it goes to a blank screen (just looks like the terminal) and

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 02:56:05PM -0500, Brynet wrote: Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: Actually, I'm used to recommend nvidia cards (desk laptop) for most people because they do support most open source systems (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenSolaris), which is way better than ati at least.

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 07:21:37PM -0200, Rodrigo Amorim Bahiense wrote: As said: I'm not a fanboy. I thought nvidia was doing something that was good enough to me, but actually isn't helping the community at all. [...] Yea, `the community'. Who the fuck is that? Nobody managed to explain that

Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-28 Thread Peter Miller
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Brynet bry...@gmail.com wrote: Made the changes to nv_driver.c and built xenocara with the following # cd /usr/xenocara # rm -rf /usr/xobj/* # make bootstrap # make obj # make build Upon reboot when i use the nv driver X now recognizes my card, but it

can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv

2009-11-27 Thread Peter Miller
I have 4.6 amd64 installed and can't get X to work at 1280x800. After a default install X won't start and i get an error which i think is caused by nv. I created a xorg.conf file using X -configure and then changed the driver from nv to vesa' and was able to get X running, but only at 800x600