Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Enos D'Andrea temp4282138...@edlabs.it wrote: On 14/01/2015 17:03, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: [...] you trust Theo and OpenBSD because you have no better option. Don't pretend you increase your security by proving the software came from a source you

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-15 Thread Milun Rajkovic
Sometimes I wish mailing lists having a like button ;) On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jack Woehr jwo...@softwoehr.com wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: Finding them inside the global shipping system is easier than you think One of the joys of growing old is watching the really bad sci fi

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Richard Thornton
I bought a can of this paint from a hardware store up in Lake Louise last week. On Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Theo de Raadt wrote: On 2015-01-14, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple five-eyes nations,

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
I bought a can of this paint from a hardware store up in Lake Louise last week. We already knew that.

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Please how is one supposed to verify the integrity of an official OpenBSD 5.6 commercial CD set, bought on the OpenBSD store and received by physical mail? [...] Each directory on the CD is signed using signify and the 5.6 keys listed at http://www.openbsd.org/56.html [...]

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Enos D'Andrea
On 14/01/2015 17:03, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: [...] you trust Theo and OpenBSD because you have no better option. Don't pretend you increase your security by proving the software came from a source you can't prove is trustworthy. [...] More than Theo himself, what makes me trust

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2015-01-14, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple five-eyes nations, whose overzealous three letter agencies officially intercept physical shipments to install backdoors and hardware implants.

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread martin
Enos D'Andrea temp4282138...@edlabs.it wrote: On 14/01/2015 12:24, Stefan Sperling wrote: Bootstrapping trust is always going to be hard no matter what we do and how hard we try. [...] Now the answer has become buy a CD and cross-check it with signify and it's still not enough. [...]

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread martin
Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: On 2015-01-14, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple five-eyes nations, whose overzealous three letter agencies officially intercept physical

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:32:07PM +0100, Enos D'Andrea wrote: Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple five-eyes nations, whose overzealous three letter agencies officially intercept physical shipments to install backdoors and hardware implants.

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 2015-01-14, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote: Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile trip through multiple five-eyes nations, whose overzealous three letter agencies officially intercept physical shipments to install backdoors and hardware

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Jack Woehr
Theo de Raadt wrote: Finding them inside the global shipping system is easier than you think One of the joys of growing old is watching the really bad sci fi you read as a youth all come true :) -- Jack Woehr # There's too much emphasis on things Box 51, Golden CO 80402 #

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:49:01AM +0100, Enos D'Andrea wrote: Thanks, but I was hoping for a method that would also verify the CD boot process, and that would not require downloading and installing a second image or trusting the CD to verify itself. Bootstrapping trust is always going to be

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Enos D'Andrea
On 12/01/2015 20:34, Theo de Raadt wrote: Please how is one supposed to verify the integrity of an official OpenBSD 5.6 commercial CD set, bought on the OpenBSD store and received by physical mail? [...] Each directory on the CD is signed using signify and the 5.6 keys listed at

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Mihai Popescu
Thanks, but I was hoping for a method that would also verify the CD boot process, and that would not require downloading and installing a second image or trusting the CD to verify itself. Next time, it is better to ask what you hope for. You asked how to check and you got the answer, then you

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-14 Thread Enos D'Andrea
On 14/01/2015 12:24, Stefan Sperling wrote: Bootstrapping trust is always going to be hard no matter what we do and how hard we try. [...] Now the answer has become buy a CD and cross-check it with signify and it's still not enough. [...] paranoia Buying a CD in my case includes a 5.000 mile

integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-12 Thread Enos D'Andrea
Hello, Please how is one supposed to verify the integrity of an official OpenBSD 5.6 commercial CD set, bought on the OpenBSD store and received by physical mail? Those CD images (with multiple platforms on the same CD) do not seem to be available for download. Their checksums (provided mine are

Re: integrity of commercial CD set

2015-01-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Please how is one supposed to verify the integrity of an official OpenBSD 5.6 commercial CD set, bought on the OpenBSD store and received by physical mail? Those CD images (with multiple platforms on the same CD) do not seem to be available for download. Their checksums (provided mine are