* Renaud Allard ren...@allard.it [2009-05-13 23:41]:
Security wise, [exim] may not seem the best one, but did you see many
security issues with exim?
I haven't seen all that many exploits lately, so it is secure
yeah, right.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web
On 5/11/09 7:45 PM, Henning Brauer wrote:
exim is a piece of shit using the wrong design that sendmail abondoned
long ago.and wasn't it GPL or some other unfree license anyway?
postfix is not free.
but there is some rumor in usr.sbin/smtpd/ ...
Sounds like you never tried exim, or at least
I am waiting smtpd though, but I doubt it will be able replace my exim
installations any time soon.
The best part is that noone cares about that.
On 5/13/09 11:44 PM, Johan Beisser wrote:
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Renaud Allardren...@allard.it wrote:
Sounds like you never tried exim, or at least v4. Currently, no other MTA
is
able to do what exim does. Its licence may not be the best one, but it is
able to do more than any
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Renaud Allard ren...@allard.it wrote:
Sounds like you never tried exim, or at least v4. Currently, no other MTA is
able to do what exim does. Its licence may not be the best one, but it is
able to do more than any other existing MTA.
Such as?
I please
Theo de Raadt wrote:
I am waiting smtpd though, but I doubt it will be able replace my exim
installations any time soon.
The best part is that noone cares about that.
Not totally true I hope. Many does, just doesn't look like it.
But, you are 150% right however, it sure DO NOT get the
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote:
Not totally true I hope. Many does, just doesn't look like it.
But, you are 150% right however, it sure DO NOT get the RESPECT it
deserves!
I believe he meant that no one cares about the fact that someone might
be
Theo de Raadt wrote:
I am waiting smtpd though, but I doubt it will be able replace my exim
installations any time soon.
The best part is that noone cares about that.
Well, in fact you do because you lost time posting this meaningless comment.
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type
Who was complaining? There's a difference between suggesting a good
design, such as qmail's and complaining.
So what you mean, is that when developing software we should look at
what already exists and try to do things right by learning from the
strength and weaknesses of other projects.
Dan a icrit :
Henning Brauer(lists-open...@bsws.de)@2009.05.11 19:45:57 +0200:
* Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com [2009-05-10 13:58]:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Gilles Chehade gil...@poolp.org wrote:
you don't sound like a complete moron giving advices about a software that
you
don't even use ...
+1 !
Steph (aka FRbsd)
* Dan d...@ourbrains.org [2009-05-11 22:24]:
Henning Brauer(lists-open...@bsws.de)@2009.05.11 19:45:57 +0200:
* Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com [2009-05-10 13:58]:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not
* Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org [2009-05-12 01:30]:
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Dan d...@ourbrains.org wrote:
So it seems like the goal is for it to be as good or better than qmail
if it's going to be smaller, easier to maintain, secure, etc. Then
where's the problem?
Saying qmail
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Dan d...@ourbrains.org wrote:
Daniel Ouellet(dan...@presscom.net)@2009.05.11 18:08:02 -0400:
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail, otherwise - what's
the point?
For fun and learning dammit. It's been explain on undeadly before and in
the list.
2009/5/12 Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net:
Men, can't you guys just say thanks once in a while and just shut up!
Thanks.
ropers wrote:
2009/5/12 Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net:
Men, can't you guys just say thanks once in a while and just shut up!
Thanks.
Good start, but you shouldn't thank me. The developers are the one that
deserved it big time, not me.
I am just one of many that get frustrated to see
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Dan d...@ourbrains.org [2009-05-11 22:24]:
Henning Brauer(lists-open...@bsws.de)@2009.05.11 19:45:57 +0200:
but there is some rumor in usr.sbin/smtpd/ ...
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail,
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
* Dan d...@ourbrains.org [2009-05-11 22:24]:
Henning Brauer(lists-open...@bsws.de)@2009.05.11 19:45:57 +0200:
but there is some rumor in usr.sbin/smtpd/
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also looking for a very simple MTA that I can use at home and have
it configured to relay e-mail without having to write 75 directives in
3 configuration files (and then use m4
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also looking for a very simple MTA that I can use at home and have
it configured to relay e-mail without having to write 75 directives in
3 configuration files (and
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also looking for a very simple MTA that I can use at home and have
it configured to relay e-mail without
an MTA that has a horrible security track record.
Yes, Unix has a horrible security record. you shouldn't use it.
My god, remember all those horrible SunOS 4 exploits and the morris worm?
surely it must suck since software never changes.
-Bob
At 09:16 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
I'm not that crazy to combine something that remembers passwords in
clear text with an MTA that has a horrible security track record.
If this is clear text,
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 09:16 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
I'm not that crazy to combine something that remembers passwords in
clear text with
At 09:55 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
Also, if sendmail has such a horrible track record, why is it the default
MTA on this system? We handle 40K+ emails daily on a single box with no
problems at all.
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 09:55:48PM +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 09:16 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
I'm not
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm also looking for a very simple MTA that I can use at home and have
it configured to relay e-mail without
At 02:22 PM 5/12/2009 -0700, Henry Sieff wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
Yeah, because if you can't see the complexity, it doesn't exist.
What does complexity have
Dan Harnett wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 09:55:48PM +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 09:16 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
L. V. Lammert wrote:
At 02:22 PM 5/12/2009 -0700, Henry Sieff wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
Yeah, because if you can't see the complexity, it doesn't exist.
What
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 02:22 PM 5/12/2009 -0700, Henry Sieff wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
Yeah, because if
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote:
L. V. Lammert wrote:
At 02:22 PM 5/12/2009 -0700, Henry Sieff wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
At 05:49 PM 5/12/2009 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
L. V. Lammert wrote:
Or as in this case may be use @gmail.com email as they can't obviously
setup their own mail server looks like. Or can make it secure, or set it
up with spam filter properly so they use @gmail.com.
Not everyone that have
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote:
OK, I need to stop feeding the trolls!
Told you it was going to be a long thread ;)
And thanks to Gilles (and of course, all the other developers on the
OpenBSD project, I have been propagating more systems at work year
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:16 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 05:49 PM 5/12/2009 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
L. V. Lammert wrote:
Or as in this case may be use @gmail.com email as they can't obviously
setup their own mail server looks like. Or can make it secure, or set it
up
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 09:55:48PM +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote:
At 09:16 PM 5/12/2009 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
If you want simple, install Webmin. Runs fine with sendmail, default
install!
I'm not
* Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com [2009-05-10 13:58]:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
like Postfix or EXIM?
exim is a piece of shit using the wrong design that
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com [2009-05-10 13:58]:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
Henning Brauer(lists-open...@bsws.de)@2009.05.11 19:45:57 +0200:
* Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com [2009-05-10 13:58]:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
like
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Henning Brauer wrote:
the wrong design that sendmail abondoned long ago.
... unlike sendmail's preprocessed configuration file, to which it
clings tenaciously.
Seriously, having to chase down a source file to make configuration
changes is not
the wrong design that sendmail abondoned long ago.
... unlike sendmail's preprocessed configuration file, to which it
clings tenaciously.
Seriously, having to chase down a source file to make configuration
changes is not endearing in the least ...
Fell free to contribute to the
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail, otherwise - what's
the point?
For fun and learning dammit. It's been explain on undeadly before and in
the list. And because it's smaller, easier to maintain, clean and works!
Always complaining all the time! This really suck big time!
At 06:08 PM 5/11/2009 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail, otherwise - what's
the point?
For fun and learning dammit. It's been explain on undeadly before and in
the list. And because it's smaller, easier to maintain, clean and works!
Never a
Daniel Ouellet(dan...@presscom.net)@2009.05.11 18:08:02 -0400:
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail, otherwise - what's
the point?
For fun and learning dammit. It's been explain on undeadly before and in
the list. And because it's smaller, easier to maintain, clean and works!
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:54:24PM -0400, Dan wrote:
Daniel Ouellet(dan...@presscom.net)@2009.05.11 18:08:02 -0400:
This new smtpd better be at least as good as qmail, otherwise - what's
the point?
For fun and learning dammit. It's been explain on undeadly before and in
the list. And
Dan wrote:
Who was complaining? There's a difference between suggesting a good
design, such as qmail's and complaining.
So where is your suggesting patch then?
Good suggestions start with patches here.
Or did you mean that you should suggest to others what to do with their
own time and that
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Dan d...@ourbrains.org wrote:
So it seems like the goal is for it to be as good or better than qmail
if it's going to be smaller, easier to maintain, secure, etc. Then
where's the problem?
Saying qmail has good design is a firm hand you've not actually really
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
like Postfix or EXIM?
--
http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/disclaimer/
2009/5/10 Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
like Postfix or EXIM?
http://openbsd.com/faq/faq1.html#HowAbout
--
We spend the
Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the
default MTA in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is
easier to configure like Postfix or EXIM?
Sure you may ask, just like a lot of other people have asked
before. Check the mailinglist archives.
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jasper Valentijn
jasper.valent...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/5/10 Felipe Alfaro Solana felipe.alf...@gmail.com:
Hi misc,
May I ask what's the reason behind having sendmail be the default MTA
in OpenBSD? Why not switching to something that is easier to configure
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Felipe Alfaro Solana
felipe.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
Why isn't Postfix included?
The license is not free, and thus can not be considered.
And anyways, I found that switching from sendmail to postfix is
extremely easy in OpenBSD.
Yay, another 20k long thread
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM, FRLinux frli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Felipe Alfaro Solana
felipe.alf...@gmail.com wrote:
Why isn't Postfix included?
The license is not free, and thus can not be considered.
And anyways, I found that switching from sendmail to
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