Re: Network configuration for laptop

2006-05-28 Thread Jan Johansson
Matthew R. Dempsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a proper way to dynamically manage network interfaces with OpenBSD? I have been using ``ifconfig iwi0 nwid $ESSID nwkey $KEY; dhclient iwi0'' to connect to a given wireless network and ``ifconfig iwi0 down'' to disconnect (and similarly

Re: Network configuration for laptop

2006-05-28 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:17:59AM +0200, Jan Johansson wrote: You want trunk(4) in failover mode, it is pure magic. :-) Ah, very cool. Thanks for the tip. :-) Blame Intel that won't give out documentation so that developers have to guess how the card works. On that topic, I tried emailing

Re: ioapic0 degraded performance - another dmesg

2006-05-28 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Christian Pedaschus wrote: Just finished fun/test installing 3.9 mp on a x4000 and seeing the same message. Glad to know I'm not the only one ;)

Re: ioapic0 degraded performance - another dmesg

2006-05-28 Thread Srebrenko Sehic
Try to disable pcibios via boot -c bsd.mp. Worked for me in several occasions. On 5/28/06, Antoine Jacoutot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2006, Christian Pedaschus wrote: Just finished fun/test installing 3.9 mp on a x4000 and seeing the same message. Glad to know I'm not the only

Re: ioapic0 degraded performance - another dmesg

2006-05-28 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Srebrenko Sehic wrote: Try to disable pcibios via boot -c bsd.mp. Worked for me in several occasions. Yes, as I said on my first post, I saw references to this on Google, but I still don't understand the meaning of that message. Besides, although I got this message,

Re: ioapic0 degraded performance - another dmesg

2006-05-28 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Srebrenko Sehic wrote: Try to disable pcibios via boot -c bsd.mp. Worked for me in several occasions. It does not work unfortunately :(

problem building stable from stable

2006-05-28 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
Hi... I'm having (for the first time) an issue building 3.9-stable from 3.9-stable. I compiled a new kernel then reboot and after issuing the following command in /usr/src, I get this (this just cvs -up -Pd): # make build [.] === libexec/login_chpass cc -O2 -pipe -Wall -DYP -c

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:37:11PM -0400, Adam wrote: PF and spamd, for example. bgpd may be a good candidate, too. Those scale better on openbsd than they do on freebsd and netbsd? Have you actually tested this? No, I neither do benchmarking nor have I equipment and a large enough network

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Adam
On Sun, 28 May 2006 19:06:33 +0200 Matthias Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:37:11PM -0400, Adam wrote: PF and spamd, for example. bgpd may be a good candidate, too. Those scale better on openbsd than they do on freebsd and netbsd? Have you actually tested

pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi, after upgrading from 3.8 to 3.9, logging pf via pfl2sysl (as per the FAQ), this doesn't work anymore (and I don't get any error mails nor can I find anything in the logs). When I run pfl2sysl manually via sudo -u pflogger /bin/sh /home/pflogger/pfl2sysl.sh I get the message tcpdump: need

Re: pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2006/5/28, Martin Schrvder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FAQ), this doesn't work anymore (and I don't get any error mails nor Allright, I get the mails. But that doesn't help. :-( Best Martin

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Sunday, 28. May 2006 19:06, Matthias Kilian wrote: ... Oh, but comparing general performance of Linux vs. OpenBSD on a typical desktop/development PC, I *can* tell you that OpenBSD performs much better, especially when the machine does lots of IO in the background. A daring statement.

Re: pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Henning Brauer
* Martin Schr?der [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-28 20:12]: Hi, after upgrading from 3.8 to 3.9, logging pf via pfl2sysl (as per the FAQ), this doesn't work anymore (and I don't get any error mails nor can I find anything in the logs). When I run pfl2sysl manually via sudo -u pflogger

Re: pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2006/5/28, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's wrong here? Bug in the FAQ? you have to start tcpdump as root so it can run privilege seperated and you don't have the scary decoders running with any real user's privs. So it's a bug in the FAQ (faq/pf/logging.html), as that solution

Re: pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Chris Kuethe
Tcpdump must now be run as root. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=114279291827416w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=107980397806077w=2 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20040220120426 Found by searching for tcpdump root in the marc archives... ;) On 5/28/06,

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Tony Abernethy
Adam wrote: The question was about scalability. I keep seeing that term. Is it supposed to mean something? Methinks there is a problem with scalability if you cannot even add two numbers together. (Well maybe with Lisp and infinite tapes) Dijkstra had an analogy with comparing, as a means of

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Adam
On Sun, 28 May 2006 13:58:39 -0500 Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam wrote: The question was about scalability. I keep seeing that term. Is it supposed to mean something? Yes, and retarded posts like this aren't needed thanks. An application which has evolved under Linux

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:08:54PM +0200, Tobias Weisserth wrote: [...] (sometimes I've the impression that Linux is only fast when idling). This statement is clearly ridiculous. No, just my personal experience. This whole discussion is ridiculous and pointless. May be. There is no such

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Tony Abernethy
Adam wrote: On Sun, 28 May 2006 13:58:39 -0500 Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam wrote: The question was about scalability. I keep seeing that term. Is it supposed to mean something? Yes, and retarded posts like this aren't needed thanks. Then what precisely is it

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Adam
On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:39:05 -0500 Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then what precisely is it supposed to mean? Running your Linux programs is not an adequate answer. If don't understand the question (which wasn't directed at you) then don't reply. Linux programs have nothing to do

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 03:07:02PM -0400, Adam wrote: The question was about scalability. I keep seeing that term. Is it supposed to mean something? Yes, and retarded posts like this aren't needed thanks. It isn't retarded. The term *is* fuzzy, and often abused, especially in

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Henning Brauer
* Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-28 21:17]: Pretending openbsd scales well at these things, or pretending its other benefits make up for this doesn't change anything. Nobody is saying scalability is all that matters, I just want to know what the mysterious task that openbsd scales well at

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Tony Abernethy
Henning Brauer wrote: OpenBSD scales very well an most tasks you'll find. There are some exceptions tho. That unfortunately includes threads. Out of curiosity, what happens when you run apache on SMP hardware where the libraries are not thread safe? (or whatever it's called)

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Tony Abernethy
Adam uttered following nonsense. Linux programs have nothing to do with anything, That is a good characterization of SMP and scaling? and your desire to make a big stupid thread of bullshit is quite annoying. You are annoyed. My desire is a small thread.

getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Daniel Dickman
Does anyone know how to bind ^L to clear the screen in a default 3.9 installation? I'd prefer to not have to change to bash if I don't have to...

mailing list program

2006-05-28 Thread Haluk Durmus
Do some one knows what mailing list program is used for the openbsd mailing lists ? I also want to use it for my mailing list project. Thanks, Haluk

Re: pf logging: tcpdump: need root privileges

2006-05-28 Thread Daniel Polak
Martin, The solution in the FAQ was ok for 3.8 but things changed in 3.9. For now if you run the script underneath from root's crontab every 5 minutes you'll most likely be ok. There should be a check in the script to see if it is already running to prevent another instance starting when the

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Daniel Dickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to bind ^L to clear the screen in a default 3.9 installation? You can't, at the shell prompt. ksh can't do that. Run clear(1). -- Christian naddy Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED]

syweb sendmail

2006-05-28 Thread Mike Spenard
I'm looking for any syweb layouts and processing scripts for sendmail logs. Hopefully something that will handle the dnsbl/rbls features in sendmail too. Mike Spenard

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Claus Assmann
On Sun, May 28, 2006, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Daniel Dickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to bind ^L to clear the screen in a default 3.9 installation? You can't, at the shell prompt. ksh can't do that. What's wrong with alias =clear It works for me

Re: mailing list program

2006-05-28 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:34:46PM +0300, Haluk Durmus wrote: Do some one knows what mailing list program is used for the openbsd mailing lists ? I also want to use it for my mailing list project. Thanks, Haluk majordomo Tobias

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 05:52:49PM -0400, Daniel Dickman wrote: | Does anyone know how to bind ^L to clear the screen in a default 3.9 | installation? I'd prefer to not have to change to bash if I don't have to... Please note that when using emacs editing mode (I think this is the default mode,

sendmail and pop with multiple domain

2006-05-28 Thread riwanlky
Hi, I am going to use sendmail and popa3d in release 3.8 for multiple domain. I had setup and run mcojaya.com to run on rel 3.8. I will like to add more domains: mcojaya.com, abc.com, xyz.com, etc. If I could do that, then how do i setup the users for those abc.com, xyz.com Do I need other

Re: mailing list program

2006-05-28 Thread Salvador Sabaini
Haluk Durmus escribis: Do some one knows what mailing list program is used for the openbsd mailing lists ? I also want to use it for my mailing list project. Thanks, Haluk Haluk: OpenBSD uses Majordomo for its mailing lists. Cheers, Salvador Sabaini.

About PF: Is the RED algorithm the same as WRED?

2006-05-28 Thread Michael Bibby
hi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just want to know, whether the RED algorithm is the same as WRED. thanks :)

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Lars Hansson
On Monday 29 May 2006 03:45, Adam wrote: Again, if you can't answer the question I asked Henning, then do not reply. Funny how you did not answer the question Henning asked you. --- Lars Hansson

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Lars Hansson
On Monday 29 May 2006 03:07, Adam wrote: I think if you don't even understand a simple question, and have no way to answer, you shouldn't bother responding with nonsense. Its a very simple question. I know openbsd scales poorly in SMP, I know it scales poorly using apache, sendmail, courier,

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Adam
On Sun, 28 May 2006 21:58:12 +0200 Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD scales very well an most tasks you'll find. There are some exceptions tho. That unfortunately includes threads. I don't find that actually. Apart from threads, there's also anything that needs 1GB MAXDSIZ

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread STeve Andre'
On Sunday 28 May 2006 23:05, Lars Hansson wrote: On Monday 29 May 2006 03:07, Adam wrote: I think if you don't even understand a simple question, and have no way to answer, you shouldn't bother responding with nonsense. Its a very simple question. I know openbsd scales poorly in SMP, I

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A last option would be to send a patch for ksh that adds a clearscreen command to bind to. Send it here and it'll probably get more attention from developers. This is left as an excercise to you ;) This would require linking ksh to libtermcap, growing it

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Claus Assmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with alias =clear It works for me (OpenBSD 3.8, /bin/ksh). How? You enter ^V^Lreturn? That's probably not what the original poster asked for, given the mention of bash. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber

LinuxWochen Wien May 31 - June 2, 2006, Austria

2006-05-28 Thread Wim Vandeputte
Hey, just a quick heads up that we'll be at LinuxWochen in Vienna this week, I'll be there Wednesday noon to Sunday, drop by to say hello. As most developers are out of town because they are at the Hackaton in Calgary, I'm looking for volunteer boothslaves.

box freezes immediately at boot (kernel loading)

2006-05-28 Thread Uwe Dippel
I have tried the archives and google, but didn't find any good pointer (maybe a problem of keywords ?): After some 20 cycles of power outage / restore - that is some twenty crashes - a database server of mine doesn't reboot any longer. It gets stuck at booting hd0a:/bsd 4804448+939504

Re: getting ^L to clear the screen?

2006-05-28 Thread Claus Assmann
On Mon, May 29, 2006, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Claus Assmann wrote: What's wrong with alias =clear It works for me (OpenBSD 3.8, /bin/ksh). How? You enter ^V^Lreturn? That's probably not what the original The alias is in .kshrc. I just it CNTL-L on the command prompt and

Re: they say openbsd is not as scalable as others

2006-05-28 Thread Christian Pedaschus
STeve Andre' wrote: You know, all this discussion of the scalability of OpenBSD is really fruitless. Every application is different, and a multitude of factors come into play here, not the least of which is the hardware involved in the equation, so with all the other questions like this, the

Re: LinuxWochen Wien May 31 - June 2, 2006, Austria

2006-05-28 Thread Bob Beck
* Wim Vandeputte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-28 22:45]: Hey, just a quick heads up that we'll be at LinuxWochen in Vienna this week, I'll be there Wednesday noon to Sunday, drop by to say hello. LinuxWurstchen?

Re: box freezes immediately at boot (kernel loading)

2006-05-28 Thread Matthew Closson
On Mon, 29 May 2006, Uwe Dippel wrote: I have tried the archives and google, but didn't find any good pointer (maybe a problem of keywords ?): After some 20 cycles of power outage / restore - that is some twenty crashes - a database server of mine doesn't reboot any longer. It gets stuck at

Re: LinuxWochen Wien May 31 - June 2, 2006, Austria

2006-05-28 Thread STeve Andre'
On Monday 29 May 2006 00:50, Bob Beck wrote: * Wim Vandeputte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-28 22:45]: Hey, just a quick heads up that we'll be at LinuxWochen in Vienna this week, I'll be there Wednesday noon to Sunday, drop by to say hello. LinuxWurstchen? Yeah, is this a food