Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
What is the problem? Can you share with us the detail of the problems you are facing? Did you install via network or CD? Which type of CD installation did you use? Regards, Stefan From: Sales - OrangeWebsite.com sa...@orangewebsite.com To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:07 AM Subject: Problem with installing OpenBSD Hey, We are experiencing problem with installing OpenBSD on our VPS servers. We'd hope you provided us some assistance how we could fix this. You can see our VPS details here at http://www.orangewebsite.com/docs/vps.php. Best greetings, - Henry K. Johannes Orangewebsite.com - 'Your solid business partner'
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote: We are experiencing problem with installing OpenBSD on our VPS servers. We'd hope you provided us some assistance how we could fix this. See how to create a problem report at http://www.openbsd.org/report.html and also http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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changes to sendmail
Is there a way to get sendmail to use SMTP AUTH and LDAPMAP without recompiling all the binaries? I would like to change from the default Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB XDEBUG to Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LDAPMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SASLv2 SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB USE_LDAP_INIT XDEBUG without rebuilding userland. The way I do it right now is by adding WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP to mk.conf and rebuilding all binaries but was wondering if there is a better way. Thank you, Vijay
Re: problem routing
INTERNET--ADSL ROUTER--sis1OpenBSD_BOXsis2--LAN-(server,ISP_ROUTER,workstations) sis2:10.100.1.250 ISP_ROUTER:10.100.1.254 server:10.100.1.150 , gateway : 10.100.1.254 worskstations 10.100.1.0/24 , gateway : 10.100.1.250 I already tried isakmpd ikev1 vpn : ping 10.100.1.250 ok ssh ok can't ping 10.100.1.150, rdp doesn't work also can't ping 10.100.1.254 Is it possible to access my server using rdomain ? route -T 1 add 0.0.0.0/0 10.100.1.254 ifconfig enc0 rdomain 1 any idea ? Thank you very very much. Wesley.
Re: NPPPD/L2TP IPsec problems
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:20:50 +0200 Martin Poulsen mar...@dividebyzero.dk wrote: I have been playing around a little with the npppd daemon having setup a L2TP server for test and learning purposes. The connection is running in an IPsec tunnel and it works great and runs very fine when used on a local network. But I'm having problems when it comes to NAT. This is my setup: client (Windows XP) NAT - internet - OpenBSD (public IP) npppd L2TP/IPsec with NAT-T is not supported yet. We need 3 more hacks. 1. support FQDN identifier type on isakmpd 2. ignore UDP checksum to pass L2TP messages. (checksums is broken by IPsec transport mode) 3. npppd must be able to send a L2TP message to different peer behind NAT by socket API. (API is not fixed yet.) 1. and 2. are `just do it' task. But 3. may take time. I'll start to discuss this on tech@. Thanks, --yasuoka
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Everything works. The RAID card is an HP P410 and the additional network card, em2, is an HP NC112T. Still there is these ones that are not configured: Intel X58 Misc rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 not configured Intel X58 GPIO rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 not configured Intel X58 RAS rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 not configured And an error on boot: RTC BIOS diagnostic error 8fixed_disk OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC.MP) #819: Wed Mar 2 06:57:49 MST 2011 dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP RTC BIOS diagnostic error 8fixed_disk real mem = 3211132928 (3062MB) avail mem = 3111632896 (2967MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0x9ec00 (71 entries) bios0: vendor HP version O20 date 01/24/2011 bios0: HP ProLiant DL180 G6 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC SPCR MCFG SPMI SLIC BOOT OEMB HPET DMAR SSDT EINJ BERT ERST HEST acpi0: wakeup devices NPE1(S4) NPE2(S4) NPE3(S4) NPE4(S4) NPE5(S4) NPE6(S4) NPE7(S4) NPE8(S4) NPE9(S4) NPEA(S4) P0P1(S4) USB0(S4) USB1(S4) USB2(S4) USB5(S4) EUSB(S4) USB3(S4) USB4(S4) USB6(S4) USBE(S4) GBE_(S4) P0P4(S4) P0P5(S4) P0P6(S4) P0P7(S4) P0P8(S4) P0P9(S4) SLPB(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 32 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5606 @ 2.13GHz, 2133.73 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: apic clock running at 133MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 34 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5606 @ 2.13GHz, 2133.41 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 50 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5606 @ 2.13GHz, 2133.41 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 52 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5606 @ 2.13GHz, 2133.41 MHz cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,PCLMUL,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1 ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfec8a000, version 20, 24 pins ioapic1: misconfigured as apic 4, remapped to apid 3 acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 7 (NPE1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus -1 (NPE2) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 6 (NPE3) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (NPE4) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (NPE5) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (NPE6) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 5 (NPE7) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus -1 (NPE8) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus 4 (NPE9) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus 3 (P0P4) acpiprt11 at acpi0: bus 2 (P0P8) acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C3, C1, PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C3, C1, PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C3, C3, C1, PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C3, C3, C1, PSS acpibtn0 at acpi0: SLPB acpibtn1 at acpi0: PWRB ipmi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2133 MHz: speeds: 2133, 2000, 1867, 1733, 1600, 1467, 1333, 1200 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 5520 Host rev 0x13 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel X58 PCIE rev 0x13 pci1 at ppb0 bus 7 em0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/1000 (82576) rev 0x01: apic 3 int 4 (irq 10), address 9c:8e:99:xx:xx:xx em1 at pci1 dev 0 function 1 Intel PRO/1000 (82576) rev 0x01: apic 3 int 16 (irq 5), address 9c:8e:99:xx:xx:xx ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Intel X58 PCIE rev 0x13 pci2 at ppb1 bus 6 ciss0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Hewlett-Packard Smart Array rev 0x01: apic 3 int 0 (irq 10) ciss0: 1 LD, HW rev 2, FW 3.66/3.66, 64bit fifo rro scsibus0 at ciss0: 1 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: HP, LOGICAL VOLUME, 3.66 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 953816MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953415216 sec total ppb2 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 Intel X58 PCIE rev 0x13 pci3 at ppb2 bus 5 ppb3 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 Intel X58 PCIE rev 0x13 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 Intel X58 Misc rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 not configured Intel X58 GPIO rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 1 not configured Intel X58 RAS rev 0x13 at pci0 dev 20 function 2 not configured uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 Intel 82801JI USB rev 0x00: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
Since you didn't specify exactly what problem you have it's a bit difficult to help. Still, it seems it's a KVM virtual server and OpenBSD works just fine with KVM. The only thing I can think of that would cause a problem is if you didn't disable mpbios. Cheers, Lars
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
On 09/29/11 04:07, Sales - OrangeWebsite.com wrote: Hey, We are experiencing problem with installing OpenBSD on our VPS servers. We'd hope you provided us some assistance how we could fix this. You can see our VPS details here at http://www.orangewebsite.com/docs/vps.php. http://www.openbsd.org/support.html Best greetings, - Henry K. Johannes Orangewebsite.com - 'Your solid business partner'
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
I'm pretty sure this was just a cheap shot at marketing their website. -James
Re: changes to sendmail
--- Vijay Sankar [Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:00:29AM -0500]: --- Is there a way to get sendmail to use SMTP AUTH and LDAPMAP without recompiling all the binaries? ... without rebuilding userland. The way I do it right now is by adding WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP to mk.conf and rebuilding all binaries but was wondering if there is a better way. Well, you don't have to rebuild *all* binaries, just sendmail. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you meant here. A sendmail rebuild just takes minutes on my box. If you're merely asking the powers that be to change the way sendmail is built, that's a different matter entirely, and one I won't attempt to answer.
Re: changes to sendmail
On 2011-09-29, Vijay Sankar vsan...@foretell.ca wrote: Is there a way to get sendmail to use SMTP AUTH and LDAPMAP without recompiling all the binaries? I would like to change from the default Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB XDEBUG to Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LDAPMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SASLv2 SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB USE_LDAP_INIT XDEBUG without rebuilding userland. The way I do it right now is by adding WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP to mk.conf and rebuilding all binaries but was wondering if there is a better way. Thank you, Vijay The best way is probably to make a port of it...
Re: changes to sendmail
Quoting Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org: On 2011-09-29, Vijay Sankar vsan...@foretell.ca wrote: Is there a way to get sendmail to use SMTP AUTH and LDAPMAP without recompiling all the binaries? I would like to change from the default Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB XDEBUG to Version 8.14.3 Compiled with: DNSMAP LDAPMAP LOG MAP_REGEX MATCHGECOS MILTER MIME7TO8 MIME8TO7 NAMED_BIND NETINET NETINET6 NETUNIX NEWDB NIS PIPELINING SASLv2 SCANF SOCKETMAP STARTTLS TCPWRAPPERS USERDB USE_LDAP_INIT XDEBUG without rebuilding userland. The way I do it right now is by adding WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP to mk.conf and rebuilding all binaries but was wondering if there is a better way. Thank you, Vijay The best way is probably to make a port of it... Thanks very much, I will try that path and will report back if I make any progress. Vijay Sankar ForeTell Technologies Limited vsan...@foretell.ca 204.885.9535 - This message was sent using ForeTell-POST 4.7
Re: changes to sendmail
What I tried to do was the following: cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/sendmail make clean all I thought this would pick up the mk.conf directives for WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP. But when I rebooted the build machine it did not allow me to access the OpenLDAP server for aliases. So I built the whole userland (and xenocara) using the process described in the FAQ and that did solve the problem. So I probably am missing something here. Try this. # cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/sendmail # make clean make obj make depend make make install
Re: changes to sendmail
Quoting Jay Em Cee j...@cosmicnetworks.net: --- Vijay Sankar [Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:00:29AM -0500]: --- Is there a way to get sendmail to use SMTP AUTH and LDAPMAP without recompiling all the binaries? ... without rebuilding userland. The way I do it right now is by adding WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP to mk.conf and rebuilding all binaries but was wondering if there is a better way. Well, you don't have to rebuild *all* binaries, just sendmail. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you meant here. A sendmail rebuild just takes minutes on my box. If you're merely asking the powers that be to change the way sendmail is built, that's a different matter entirely, and one I won't attempt to answer. Thanks for your reply. No, it is not a request to change sendmail because I actually like the way sendmail is built! What I tried to do was the following: cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/sendmail make clean all I thought this would pick up the mk.conf directives for WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP. But when I rebooted the build machine it did not allow me to access the OpenLDAP server for aliases. So I built the whole userland (and xenocara) using the process described in the FAQ and that did solve the problem. So I probably am missing something here. Vijay Vijay Sankar ForeTell Technologies Limited vsan...@foretell.ca 204.885.9535 - This message was sent using ForeTell-POST 4.7
Re: microsoft and UEFI boot
This article is really great, thanks a lot! Also, I already support that repair culture, not only for ecology or better savings, the need for GHz-booze is just marketing, my old P3 700MHz openbsd laptop still does quite a lot. It just comes to my mind what a guy I knew told me about the RD dept of a very famous home devices brand: they design products which, within 5 years, will suffer from a hardware failure which won't be economically savvy to repair, compared to buying a new device: this is the only way to keep selling in an overloaded market... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Paolo Aglialoro paol...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'm way more optimist about OEM motherboard manufacturers rather than PC companies. The weak spot will in fact be laptops and other portable equipment, as these are all proprietary design. There's new article related to that http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=1863 Considering that laptop sales have overdone standard fixed PCs ones since years, the ecosystem, unless some heavyweight authority will strike hard, could be severely affected Plus: is this crap going to fit the TPM chip onboard? Or just something that can be got around by flashing bios/firmware? And how many firmwares will there be? It's not realistic to think that any single one of them can be hacked... plus with the danger of bricking the box any time or making it behave dizzy On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Marc Smith marc_sm...@gmx.com wrote: Well, yes. You're right. Apparently only EU commission can help and let me tell you that: EU is really good with those kind of regulations. It usually cares for customer's privacy and fights monopoly of particular companies. Let's hope it would make next move. Anyway, there are [still] some custom PC sets that remains open and non-restrictive. Let's count on that so it will remain active on the market. W dniu 24.09.2011 18:57, Paolo Aglialoro pisze: Unfortunately, just a tiny percentage of sold X86 boxes is no-OS, and also dell has stopped selling linux PCs. The last no-OS one I bought was an HP laptop (HP 360) with suse 11 onboard. Drops within an ocean. Unless EU Commission helps, it'll be a hell of a scenery On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Marc Smith marc_sm...@gmx.com wrote: This has been already explained in multiple articles, really. It looks like it's OEMs stuff. They decide whether they give the end user an option to disable secure boot or not. It's probobly the best to buy only No OS computers anyway. You can also support various open BIOS initiatives. Dnia sob, 24 wrz 2011, 15:36:21 Amit Kulkarni pisze: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5850.html in the future how will we have access to OpenBSD if Microsoft get away with it? right now most of us buy Windows enabled PCs and either dual boot or wipe it out... thanks
Re: changes to sendmail
Quoting Mark Solocinski m...@bsdforever.org: What I tried to do was the following: cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/sendmail make clean all I thought this would pick up the mk.conf directives for WANT_SMTPAUTH and WANT_LDAP. But when I rebooted the build machine it did not allow me to access the OpenLDAP server for aliases. So I built the whole userland (and xenocara) using the process described in the FAQ and that did solve the problem. So I probably am missing something here. Try this. # cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.sbin/sendmail # make clean make obj make depend make make install That was it!! I really appreciate this help. Thank you very much. Vijay Vijay Sankar ForeTell Technologies Limited vsan...@foretell.ca 204.885.9535 - This message was sent using ForeTell-POST 4.7
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
On 2011-09-28 23:07, Sales - OrangeWebsite.com wrote: Hey, We are experiencing problem with installing OpenBSD on our VPS servers. We'd hope you provided us some assistance how we could fix this. You can see our VPS details here at http://www.orangewebsite.com/docs/vps.php. Best greetings, - Henry K. Johannes Orangewebsite.com - 'Your solid business partner' In my experience, you need to disable mpbios: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/kvm-virtualization-openbsd-guest-hangs-at-starting-tty-flags/ -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
Hello, Here is some additional info regarding the problem: Our hardware is IBM HS22V You can read information regarding our VPS's here: http://www.orangewebsite.com/docs/vps.php We are looking forward to finding a fix for this problem. Many of our clients would be interested of using OpenBSD on their VPS's. Best greetings, - Henry K. Johannes Orangewebsite.com - 'Your solid business partner' On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Alexander Hall ha...@openbsd.org wrote: On 09/29/11 04:07, Sales - OrangeWebsite.com wrote: Hey, We are experiencing problem with installing OpenBSD on our VPS servers. We'd hope you provided us some assistance how we could fix this. You can see our VPS details here at http://www.orangewebsite.com/**docs/vps.phphttp://www.orangewebsite.com/docs/vps.php . http://www.openbsd.org/**support.htmlhttp://www.openbsd.org/support.html Best greetings, - Henry K. Johannes Orangewebsite.com - 'Your solid business partner'
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
If you truly have an issue installing OpenBSD, you need explain the process you're using and the errors you are getting. Don't pointlessly redirect us to your site that doesn't provide the aforementioned information. dmesg output, etc would also be useful. These mailing lists aren't a medium for free advertising. -- Thank you, James Shupe
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 03:57:32 +, Sales - OrangeWebsite.com wrote: Here is some additional info regarding the problem: Our hardware is IBM HS22V You don't have a problem - YOU are the problem. Please stop spamming this mailing list. OBSD folk: Please don't reply to him any more and certainly not on-list quoting all of his advertising details. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: Problem with installing OpenBSD
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:36:43 -0500, James Shupe wrote: If you truly have an issue installing OpenBSD, you need explain the process you're using and the errors you are getting. Don't pointlessly redirect us to your site that doesn't provide the aforementioned information. dmesg output, etc would also be useful. He told me off-list that he was emailing with some people who were trying to help him. I don't believe that because it's extremely unlikely that anybody with a real clue would not have simply replied on-list telling him to at least describe the problem and supply a dmesg. Also his first message had a From: field that contained sales@$his.domain and his domain has no MX record. He just uses googlemail. halex@ pointed him at the openBSD support page. Anybody there would not expect the answers to their questions would appear on this list. These mailing lists aren't a medium for free advertising. Particularly from raw newbies who did not read http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html 8-) *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
