weird ksh '~' substitution - ksh bug?

2011-12-16 Thread LEVAI Daniel
Hi!


I can't get my around this:

$ pwd
/home/daniell

$ cd ~/stuff/
ksh: cd: /home/daniell/~/stuff - No such file or directory

$ cd ~/stuff/
$ pwd
/home/daniell/stuff


It seems  ~  is substituted in the first case, but it is not replaced,
and it remained in the list.

What is even more weird:
$ echo ~/stuff
~/stuff

^^^ here it is not even substituted.

$ echo ~/stuff
/home/daniell/stuff

^^^ whereas here it is.


I suspect this is not a feature?


Daniel

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Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Stefan Beke
I guess I understand what Sebastien is talking about. I used to make
trips to my cheap serverhosting after power failure too :).Just to
type Y,  yes repair those blocks, while system was hanging at boot.
Not very pleasant experience...

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 03:00, Kenneth R Westerback
kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:42:19PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
 On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:29:40 -0500
 Kenneth R Westerback wrote:

  
 
  You can change the 'fsck -p' in /etc/rc to whatever varient you wish. There
  is, to my knowledge, no knob.

 You probably realise but be aware you can lose data with fsck -y but
 only on writable filesystems?


 I sell rope in my spare time. :-)

  Ken



Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread David Coppa
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Stefan Beke i...@bekeovci.net wrote:
 I guess I understand what Sebastien is talking about. I used to make
 trips to my cheap serverhosting after power failure too :).Just to
 type Y,  yes repair those blocks, while system was hanging at boot.
 Not very pleasant experience...

Proposed this some time ago:

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=132074722530672

ciao,
David



Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
there is no solution but a proper remote console access, i. e. cereal.
it is completely beyond me why some people accept anything else.
yes yes, some/many providers don't offer any. so pick one that does.
you don't buy condoms with holes either, no matter how cheap.

* Stefan Beke i...@bekeovci.net [2011-12-16 09:51]:
 I guess I understand what Sebastien is talking about. I used to make
 trips to my cheap serverhosting after power failure too :).Just to
 type Y,  yes repair those blocks, while system was hanging at boot.
 Not very pleasant experience...
 
 On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 03:00, Kenneth R Westerback
 kwesterb...@rogers.com wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 03:42:19PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
  On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:29:40 -0500
  Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
 
   
  
   You can change the 'fsck -p' in /etc/rc to whatever varient you wish. 
   There
   is, to my knowledge, no knob.
 
  You probably realise but be aware you can lose data with fsck -y but
  only on writable filesystems?
 
 
  I sell rope in my spare time. :-)
 
   Ken
 

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Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* James Shupe jsh...@osre.org [2011-12-15 16:46]:
 On 12/15/11 9:40 AM, David Coppa wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:49 PM, James Shupe jsh...@osre.org wrote:
  
  I've never used it, but I wouldn't even bother because there are no
  native Java builds available for OpenBSD, and thus it's going to be
  untested and completely unsupported.
  
  Uh?!?
  
  # pkg_add -v jdk-1.7.0.00v0.tgz
  
 
 There is a difference between it being in ports, and being a supported
 platform. Also, that's OpenJDK, which is itself unsupported by a quite a
 few Java projects (ie, Jira).

stop whining already.

as much as java is sh**, we do run very big java application servers
for customers on openbsd. no problems.

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Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
Am Freitag, 16. Dezember 2011, 10:26:27 schrieb Henning Brauer:
 there is no solution but a proper remote console access, i. e. cereal.
 it is completely beyond me why some people accept anything else.
 yes yes, some/many providers don't offer any. so pick one that does.
 you don't buy condoms with holes either, no matter how cheap.

Some devices are embedded devices and placed in environments 
where remote access from the outside is not an option. Of the many
times I have seen computers requiring a manual file system check after a
crash or power outage, I have never seen a device that would not
fix its file system after someone mindlessly pressed y a gazillion times.

There are setups where the stored data is the most important thing
and there are setups where the task is the most important thing, and
for the latter ones an automatic fsck -y is the way to go.



Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Stefan Beke
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:26, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
 it is completely beyond me why some people accept anything else.

Because it fits their needs. Even if there was remote access, it would
hang till someone would notice and use it.
Sometimes would be preferable just to force fix of all inode errors
and then continue booting.

 yes yes, some/many providers don't offer any. so pick one that does.

Traveling to serverhousing twice a year was cheaper in my scenario.

 you don't buy condoms with holes either, no matter how cheap.

Not good analogy. But then, analogy is never good. This one has
especially big holes in it.



Re: weird ksh '~' substitution - ksh bug?

2011-12-16 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:47:54AM +0100, LEVAI Daniel wrote:

 Hi!
 
 
 I can't get my around this:
 
 $ pwd
 /home/daniell
 
 $ cd ~/stuff/
 ksh: cd: /home/daniell/~/stuff - No such file or directory
 
 $ cd ~/stuff/
 $ pwd
 /home/daniell/stuff
 
 
 It seems  ~  is substituted in the first case, but it is not replaced,
 and it remained in the list.
 
 What is even more weird:
 $ echo ~/stuff
 ~/stuff
 
 ^^^ here it is not even substituted.
 
 $ echo ~/stuff
 /home/daniell/stuff
 
 ^^^ whereas here it is.
 
 
 I suspect this is not a feature?

Tilde expansion is tricky stuff. If you read how it is defined (man
ksh), it says:


The characters following the tilde, up to the first `/', if any, are
assumed to be a login name. 
...
If the login name is not found in the password file or if any quoting
or parameter substitution occurs in the login name, no substitution is
performed. 


I think that explains your testcases.

-Otto

  
 
 
 Daniel
 
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Re: weird ksh '~' substitution - ksh bug?

2011-12-16 Thread Dieter Schön
2011/12/16 LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu:

 I suspect this is not a feature?

looks like it is a feature:
man ksh, Tilde expansion, first paragraph, second and last sentence:
The characters following the tilde, up to the first `/',
if any, are assumed to be a login name.
If  [..] or if any quoting
or parameter substitution occurs in the login name, no substitution is
performed.

dieter



Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:00:39 +0100
Fritz Wuehler wrote:

 Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob?

It's a bit hard to do those two things at the same time and she
couldn't fit you in her mouth anyway, you fuckin dick.



Re: weird ksh '~' substitution - ksh bug?

2011-12-16 Thread LEVAI Daniel
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:55:08 +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 09:47:54AM +0100, LEVAI Daniel wrote:
[...]
 I think that explains your testcases.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:05:50 +0100, Dieter Schvn wrote:
 2011/12/16 LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu:
 
  I suspect this is not a feature?
 
 looks like it is a feature:
[...]


Thanks for both of You.
I systematically beleive that there is nothing more to read in ksh's man
page. And I am always wrong...


Daniel

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Re: Use posifx + courrier-imap + quota

2011-12-16 Thread Giovanni Bechis
Bruno Gruel b.gr...@sdnet.info wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm under openbsd 4.9 and i'm using postifx + courrier-imap from long 
 time. I want to use quota on my system but i have some troubles with the 
 maildirmake command.
 
 When i use maildirmake -q xs folder the command hang up and don(t 
 give me back the hand).
 
 When i use the same command without the -q i can create the folder.
 
 Have got somme idea ..?
 
You should create the directory with `maildirmake dir`, then set the quota
with `maildirmake -q 1024S dir`.
 Cheers
  Giovanni



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Kostas Zorbadelos
James Shupe jsh...@osre.org writes:

 I can't speak for anycast DNS deployments, but I use OSPF heavily in
 large production environments and have had a great experiences with it.


This is very nice to know, thank you.

 - what is your opinion about using a latest version of BIND from ISC
   instead of the BIND distribution coming with OpenBSD?
 
 The BIND distribution included in the base install is fine.


Unless you happen to need a feature that is available only in a later
version of BIND. The reason I asked is because I saw no relevant
package in ports.

 - would you consider Java support on OpenBSD production quality? Seems
   irrelevant but we might utilize some Java tools for
   measurement/statistics 
 
 I've never used it, but I wouldn't even bother because there are no
 native Java builds available for OpenBSD, and thus it's going to be
 untested and completely unsupported. From the sounds of it, you need to
 rethink your monitoring strategy and consider using SNMP and a central
 statistics server running the software of your choice.


OK, this was an understatement from my behalf. What I have in mind is
more ambitious than just monitoring/alerting. For moniting and graphs, our
cacti/nagios solution will do just fine. But storing and analysing DNS
query data is a whole different story...

Regards,

Kostas

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Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Kostas Zorbadelos
Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org writes:

 Quagga doesn't seem to care much about OpenBSD, the current version
 doesn't even build here. (I did port the last round of ospf crash
 fixes to the previous version which does build, these are in the
 ports tree). Development is very fragmented, a lot of tweaks exist
 in 3rd party repos but there seems to be no central group trying
 to hold them together (at one point it looked like the google
 fork might do this but it appears to have stagnated).

This rather recent announcement cought my interest:

http://www.isc.org/news-article/how-extinct-zebra-could-upend-networking-market

Seems there is quite a lot of hype and activity around Open Source
routing and I think OpenBSD could play a good role there. It would be
interesting to hear the thoughts of some OpenBSD developers on these
areas. Perhaps in another thread, an article on Undeadly, or when they
have the time and interest :)

Thanks,

Kostas

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Re: weird ksh '~' substitution - ksh bug?

2011-12-16 Thread Steven McDonald
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:47:54 +0100
LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote:

 $ cd ~/stuff/
 ksh: cd: /home/daniell/~/stuff - No such file or directory
 
[snip]
 It seems  ~  is substituted in the first case

Just a correction here: I don't think it's being substituted. Rather,
the lack of a leading / is causing it to be interpreted as a relative
path, and you are already working in /home/daniell/.

As for your actual question, I'll wait for some of the more experienced
OpenBSDers to come along with an answer and go back to lurking the
list. :)



Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:49:22 +0100
Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at wrote:

 There are setups where the stored data is the most important thing
 and there are setups where the task is the most important thing, and
 for the latter ones an automatic fsck -y is the way to go.

Or take advantage of one of OpenBSDs greatest assets of few required
updates and use ro file systems everywhere if you can export the logs
and use memory file systems. Otherwise keep good backups and fsck -y or
use console.



Re: OpenVPN issues on 5.0

2011-12-16 Thread Janne Johansson
2011/12/16 Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com

  Links to foolproof HOWTO's will be much
 appreciated!

Nature has thwarted all attempts to make such HOWTOs by make ever
better fools, which probably is why you:

 ...but I have spent two days Googling,
 reading tons of HOWTO's and trying out different solutions, but
without
 being able to solve the issue.

Not to say you are a fool, but HOWTOs for anything else than the most
simple stuff can't cover all cases, which means you still must
understand things or the HOWTO will not help you and instead lead you
astray in the wrong direction, making you look foolish when you in
reality wanted help. In the long run, learning the stuff you attempt
to do instead of wasting two days following someone elses bad advice
is better spent.

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Re: NPPPD/L2TP IPsec problems

2011-12-16 Thread lilit-aibolit

29.09.2011 16:30, YASUOKA Masahiko P?P8QP5Q:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:20:50 +0200
Martin Poulsenmar...@dividebyzero.dk  wrote:

I have been playing around a little with the npppd daemon having setup a
L2TP server for test and learning purposes. The connection is running in
an IPsec tunnel and it works great and runs very fine when used on a
local network.

But I'm having problems when it comes to NAT.

This is my setup:

client (Windows XP)  NAT - internet - OpenBSD (public IP)


npppd L2TP/IPsec with NAT-T is not supported yet.

We need 3 more hacks.

   1. support FQDN identifier type on isakmpd
   2. ignore UDP checksum to pass L2TP messages.  (checksums is broken
  by IPsec transport mode)
   3. npppd must be able to send a L2TP message to different peer
  behind NAT by socket API.  (API is not fixed yet.)

1. and 2. are `just do it' task.  But 3. may take time.
I'll start to discuss this on tech@.

Thanks,

--yasuoka

.



Do you have any progress in that?



OT: some news here

2011-12-16 Thread Eric Oyen
hello fellow BSD'ers. I recently got some good news. it seems that I have been
accepted into a formal training program at the Colorado Center for the Blind.
this is a year long stint with Independent living skills, mobility training
and computer skills training (using Jaws and windows 7, though there are also
side courses on some of the unix like environments). I am due to start late in
january.

Hopefully, I can also hit the local community college up there and get a
certification while I am at it (such as a cisco cert or similar). I should
have enough funds to get that add-on card that converts framegrabber output to
an ssh session. that will give me the ability to be able to setup a machine
from power-on to final OS configuration. By the end of this training, I should
be ready to re-enter the workforce.

thats my news.

have some happy  holidays.

-eric



Re: OT: some news here

2011-12-16 Thread Russell Garrison
Wonderful news Eric! Good to know opportunities like these exist.
Happy Holidays and good luck with the program.



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread James Shupe
On 12/16/11 4:57 AM, Kostas Zorbadelos wrote:
 James Shupe jsh...@osre.org writes:
 
 I can't speak for anycast DNS deployments, but I use OSPF heavily in
 large production environments and have had a great experiences with it.

 
 This is very nice to know, thank you.
 
 - what is your opinion about using a latest version of BIND from ISC
   instead of the BIND distribution coming with OpenBSD?

 The BIND distribution included in the base install is fine.

 
 Unless you happen to need a feature that is available only in a later
 version of BIND. The reason I asked is because I saw no relevant
 package in ports.
 
 - would you consider Java support on OpenBSD production quality? Seems
   irrelevant but we might utilize some Java tools for
   measurement/statistics 

 I've never used it, but I wouldn't even bother because there are no
 native Java builds available for OpenBSD, and thus it's going to be
 untested and completely unsupported. From the sounds of it, you need to
 rethink your monitoring strategy and consider using SNMP and a central
 statistics server running the software of your choice.

 
 OK, this was an understatement from my behalf. What I have in mind is
 more ambitious than just monitoring/alerting. For moniting and graphs, our
 cacti/nagios solution will do just fine. But storing and analysing DNS
 query data is a whole different story...
 

Reporting shouldn't be done on your production servers. Set up a
centralized syslog server and send your query logs there for analysis.

Henning Brauer says that Java works fine on OpenBSD for large
deployments and I take his word for it. Still, running local reports on
each server is ridiculous when you're talking about multiple servers
providing the same services.

 Regards,
 
 Kostas
 


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Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Diana Eichert

Wow, I drew Fritz's attention from his video games.
I am soo upset.  If I knew how to contact him I'd
send him an Etch-a sketch for Christmas.

g.day

diana

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connect at one time. Either remote or local.

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Christopher



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Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Stefan Beke i...@bekeovci.net [2011-12-16 10:57]:
 On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:26, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
  it is completely beyond me why some people accept anything else.
 Because it fits their needs.

util something breaks and trey notice that they're doomed and whine,
yes.

 Sometimes would be preferable just to force fix of all inode errors
 and then continue booting.

as if an fsck would be the only case that ever required manual
intervention.

  yes yes, some/many providers don't offer any. so pick one that does.
 Traveling to serverhousing twice a year was cheaper in my scenario.

cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap
sure, if you give shit about availability (pregnancy, diseases) use
remote servers without console access (holey condoms). but don't blame
anybody but yourself then.

  you don't buy condoms with holes either, no matter how cheap.
 Not good analogy. But then, analogy is never good. This one has
 especially big holes in it.

it is actually excellent, you just don't like it. the bitten...

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Re: Automatic fsck -y at Boot

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Rudolf Leitgeb rudolf.leit...@gmx.at [2011-12-16 10:50]:
 Am Freitag, 16. Dezember 2011, 10:26:27 schrieb Henning Brauer:
  there is no solution but a proper remote console access, i. e. cereal.
  it is completely beyond me why some people accept anything else.
  yes yes, some/many providers don't offer any. so pick one that does.
  you don't buy condoms with holes either, no matter how cheap.
 Some devices are embedded devices and placed in environments 
 where remote access from the outside is not an option.

in these cases - where runs is the top priority and manual
intervention is hard - you most probably want to run with ro / and an
mfs or three.

brahe@tion  $ mount
/dev/wd0a on / type ffs (local, read-only)
mfs:17968 on /tmp type mfs (asynchronous, local, noatime, nodev, noexec, 
nosuid, size=19456 512-blocks)
mfs:28804 on /var type mfs (asynchronous, local, noatime, nodev, noexec, 
nosuid, size=38912 512-blocks)
mfs:5076 on /dev type mfs (asynchronous, local, noatime, noexec, nosuid, 
size=2048 512-blocks)

this is still a bit like fixing holey condoms with duct tape.

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Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Fritz Wuehler
Kevin Fagdick whined:

 Fritz Wuehler wrote:
 
  Hey diana, how about a fucking blowjob?
 
 It's a bit hard to do those two things at the same time and she
 couldn't fit you in her mouth anyway, you fuckin dick.

You got that one right ya limp dicked drag queen LOL. Haha I see I made you
jealous by banging your girlfriend. Good on ya, ya great dumb dragqueen. I
thought you only liked young boys glad you proved me wrong.



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Kostas Zorbadelos kzo...@otenet.gr [2011-12-16 12:08]:
 This rather recent announcement cought my interest:
 
 http://www.isc.org/news-article/how-extinct-zebra-could-upend-networking-market
 
 Seems there is quite a lot of hype and activity around Open Source
 routing and I think OpenBSD could play a good role there. It would be
 interesting to hear the thoughts of some OpenBSD developers on these
 areas. Perhaps in another thread, an article on Undeadly, or when they
 have the time and interest :)

we're not into marketing. nor into hardware development/production.

this is something where non-developers can easily jump in.

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Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Miod Vallat
 Lemoteo manufacturer of FuLoong and Yeloong, does have an store on
 www.taobao.com (http://loogson.taobao.com/), it's the official place to buy
 FuLoong/YeeLoong here in China.

And they seem to sell Loongson 3A-based systems, unlike the dutch
reseller. But my nonexistent knowledge of the chinese language does not
help.

I would like to get a 3A-based system in order to extend the
OpenBSD/loongson port to these systems. (I also would like to get a 2G
system, but I am quite confident the existing codebase will run
unmodified on a 2G system, so that's not a priority).

If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A
system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and
wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly
appreciated.

TIA,
Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice)



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-12-16, James Shupe jsh...@osre.org wrote:
 Reporting shouldn't be done on your production servers. Set up a
 centralized syslog server and send your query logs there for analysis.

sending dns query logs via syslog to a remote server? oh man...

how about mirror ports  https://www.dns-oarc.net/tools/dsc



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 01:05:32PM +0200, Kostas Zorbadelos wrote:
 Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org writes:
 
  Quagga doesn't seem to care much about OpenBSD, the current version
  doesn't even build here. (I did port the last round of ospf crash
  fixes to the previous version which does build, these are in the
  ports tree). Development is very fragmented, a lot of tweaks exist
  in 3rd party repos but there seems to be no central group trying
  to hold them together (at one point it looked like the google
  fork might do this but it appears to have stagnated).
 
 This rather recent announcement cought my interest:
 
 http://www.isc.org/news-article/how-extinct-zebra-could-upend-networking-market
 
 Seems there is quite a lot of hype and activity around Open Source
 routing and I think OpenBSD could play a good role there. It would be
 interesting to hear the thoughts of some OpenBSD developers on these
 areas. Perhaps in another thread, an article on Undeadly, or when they
 have the time and interest :)
 

So when will ISC start to integrate Quagga into BIND? A DNS server needs
its own routing suite.

-- 
:wq Claudio



Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Steffen Daode Nurpmeso
Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well!

I dunno, but maybe Fritz simply misunderstood A Clockwork
Orange - completely, that is?
The same actor also played in Caligula.
That one is much much better for your handwork, Fritz!

And couldn't some cute Austrian restart selling OpenBSD in Austria,
now that Fritz no longer uses an austrian remailer??
I feel so uncomfortable - as if Lada would no longer produce Nivas!
(Taiga in Austria, right?)

Nice weekend beside all that.

--steffen



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com [2011-12-16 22:58]:
 So when will ISC start to integrate Quagga into BIND? A DNS server needs
 its own routing suite.

when it has been rewritten in python.

-- 
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP
Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services. Dedicated Servers, Root to Fully Managed
Henning Brauer Consulting, http://henningbrauer.com/



Re: OpenBSD in a dual stack anycast DNS resolving setup

2011-12-16 Thread James Shupe
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 21:33 +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
 On 2011-12-16, James Shupe jsh...@osre.org wrote:
  Reporting shouldn't be done on your production servers. Set up a
  centralized syslog server and send your query logs there for analysis.
 
 sending dns query logs via syslog to a remote server? oh man...
 
 how about mirror ports  https://www.dns-oarc.net/tools/dsc
 

Nice looking tool... I was unaware of it. 

I mentioned the remote syslog option because one of the educational
institutions I work for logs all DNS queries to a central server for
monitoring student internet usage. Works fine.

I reckon the tool you linked is a better fit for the op's use, but
assume that they have their own in house software written in Java that
uses either pcap or log entries...

-- 
James Shupe



Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Rob Schmersel

On 12/17/2011 05:14 AM, Miod Vallat wrote:

Lemoteo manufacturer of FuLoong and Yeloong, does have an store on
www.taobao.com (http://loogson.taobao.com/), it's the official place to buy
FuLoong/YeeLoong here in China.

And they seem to sell Loongson 3A-based systems, unlike the dutch
reseller. But my nonexistent knowledge of the chinese language does not
help.

I would like to get a 3A-based system in order to extend the
OpenBSD/loongson port to these systems. (I also would like to get a 2G
system, but I am quite confident the existing codebase will run
unmodified on a 2G system, so that's not a priority).

If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A
system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and
wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly
appreciated.

TIA,
Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice)


They indicate that there are systems available, but you never know until you 
really try :). Anyway you can not get it shipped to Western Europe via the 
shop, they only allow China internal shipping. There are however some services 
available on separate sites that allow you to order in China and get it shipped 
anywhere in the world. A quick search will get you some links (typical: you 
read about it, but since you don't need it you do not bookmark it).

I would offer to be a courier as I'm flying home for Xmas, but I'm 
flying tomorrow morning and it is unfortunately to short to order and 
still get it here on time.


Regards
/Rob



Re: OpenVPN issues on 5.0

2011-12-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-12-16, Erling Westenvik erling.westen...@gmail.com wrote:
 11  antispoof quick for {lo,$int,$wap,$vpn}

this may well not be helping.



Re: Where to buy Lemote FuLoong MIPS boxes?

2011-12-16 Thread Alan Cheng
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote:


 If anyone, fluent in chinese, could tell me if I can indeed order a 3A
 system from this site and have it shipped to western Europe, and
 wouldn't mind assisting me to place an order, this would be greatly
 appreciated.

 TIA,
 Miod (OpenBSD/loongson portmaster, in case you didn't notice)


Currently 3A is not out yet (coming soon, according to Lemote).
I'll be glad to help on the ordering  shipping once 3A is available,
though my guess is it'll also be available on http://www.tekmote.nl/ by
that time.



Diaspora pod on OpenBSD

2011-12-16 Thread Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez

Hi,

   Is anyone running a diaspora pod on OpenBSD? I am having a personal 
fight today with ruby/gems/bundler/ffi but I was thinking if anyone is 
running diaspora already...


   Cheers,

Alvaro



KMS/GEM status for Intel cards

2011-12-16 Thread Barbier, Jason
Hey,
its been a while since I have seen any update about how KMS and support for
the Intel HD 3000 (the sandy bridge Intel card). Anyone know what happens
to be going on with that?

-- 
Defendere vivos a mortuis



Re: About Mark`s phone!

2011-12-16 Thread Joe
This is the online shop when you heard from Mark that he bought that
phone cheaper. You can send payment immediately online. Christmas
discounts that have bought so quickly and cheaply.
www.etr-electrostore.com
What are you doing tonight? We go bowling?

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