Re: OpenBSD 5.5 won't initiate VPN (Ipsec site-to-site)connection to Cisco device

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-07-10, Motty Cruz motty.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I have a gateway machine OpenBSD 5.5 that won't not initiate connection 
 to peer. The one way to establish VPN tunnel is if peer ping IP in my 
 subnet.

isakmpd usually tries to bring up the connection as soon as it's configured,
but perhaps this negotiation is failing, maybe due to a firewall rule somewhere
on/near the cisco side?

Last time I setup a VPN with a cisco device, it only brought up the tunnel
from their side on-demand, so if the initiation from isakmpd side fails,
it might rely on network traffic from the peer's side to bring it up.



Re: odd behaviour of spamdb

2015-07-13 Thread Boudewijn Dijkstra

Op Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:14:37 +0200 schreef Markus Rosjat ros...@ghweb.de:

hi there,

I have a script the following script to delete spam mx ip from the spamd
whitelist and write them in my own blacklist. After that I reload the
blacklist with spamd- setup.  This seems to work but I noticed when the
same ip has another mail in the greylist the ip becomes whitelisted if
the delivery attempt is successful (which it shouldnt in the first place
because I trapped the ip and put it in my blacklist). This seems like an
odd behaviour to me, its not the end of the world but it feels kinda
wrong :)

here is the script:

ip_range=$1

for i in `spamdb | grep $ip_range | grep WHITE | awk -F | '{print $2}'`;
  do
   echo $i
   /usr/sbin/spamdb -d $i
   /usr/sbin/spamdb -a -t $i
   echo $i  /etc/mail/blacksheep.txt
  done

/usr/libexec/spamd-setup

maybe someone give me some hints for improvement


The explicit deletion (-d) is unnecessary and may have race condition problems. 
 An IP that is both trapped and grey will not be re-added to the whitelist, 
unless spamlogd interferes.



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Re: mail server on rental server , cannot send gmail.com

2015-07-13 Thread Craig Skinner
Hi Tuyosi

On 2015-07-13 Mon 16:41 PM |, Tuyosi Takesima wrote:
 
 perhaps i solved the quize to send and rcieve email .
 
 openbsd mail server (this has main cf)
 |
 internet
 |
 1.2.3.4
 router
 |
 dhcp
 linux(thunderberd)
 
 
 in /etc/postfix/main.cf
 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 1.2.3.4/32
 

This works because the default smtp daemon relay restrictions
permit $mynetworks, and authenticated connections:

$ postconf -dh smtpd_relay_restrictions
permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, defer_unauth_destination

Users either need to authenticate, or have an IP address in $mynetworks.

When your WiFi router changes IP address, this won't work anymore.
If someone else gets DHCP allocated your WiFi router's address, they can
relay spam through your server. The server rental company could evict
you.

When you connect from a cafe, train, airport, hotel, it wont work.

$mynetworks is usually for NAT  ISP customer address blocks.

See:
/usr/local/share/doc/postfix/html/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relay_from
mynetworks and smtpd_relay_restrictions in postconf(5)

Web:
http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relay_from
http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mynetworks
http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_relay_restrictions

The solution is for remote users to authenticate on the submission port.



Re: httpd stops accepting connections after a few hours on current

2015-07-13 Thread Tor Houghton
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:56:37PM +0930, Jack Burton wrote:
 
 It is possible I simply failed to provision sufficient capacity --
 which could easily be fixed by adding a login class for www with a
 higher limit on open fds -- but I fear that might just be hiding the
 problem rather than addressing it: exhausting a 512 fd limit with with
 peak load of only 48 req/sec (and average load of 2 req/sec) just
 doesn't feel right (especially when that peak load is all 303s
 generated internally by httpd, which each take only a tiny fraction of
 a second to process).
 

I don't pretend to know httpd (at all), but I'm wondering, what should
fstat(1) say, over time, for the httpd processes?

Of the (2) processes that have streams related to remote hosts, there are
several IP addresses that are never logged to the SSL access log.

For example, this one from umich.edu, which is more than 2 days old*:

$ fstat -p 29431 | grep 141.212.122.50
www  httpd  294315* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
141.212.122.50:29801
$ fstat -p 17244 |grep 141.212.122.50
$ 

$ grep 141.212.122.50 /local/www/logs/ssl-access.log  
$ 

Is this normal behaviour?

Tor

* This one, from shadowserver.org, which does exist in the ssl-access.log, was
opened on 10 July, same day the server was rebooted:

www  httpd  29431   12* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
184.105.247.196:35517

www.bogus.net 184.105.247.196 - - [10/Jul/2015:03:41:05 +0200] GET / HTTP/1.1 
200 67  



Re: Dell FX2 or Huawei E9000 dmesg(s), anyone?

2015-07-13 Thread lists
 Would anyone care to share amd64 dmesg(s) from Dell FX2 or Huawei E9000?

If this question is not a joke, the guesstimate is you'd be posting a
dmesg when/if you come to spin these in production use, no?



Re: how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-07-13, Indunil Jayasooriya induni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi mics,


 I want /etc/newsyslog.conf to generate /var/squid/logs/access.log  daily.
 This is the entry I have added to /etc/newsyslog.conf file. But it does NOT
 work.

 */var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
 @T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid   30*


 any comments ?


 I referred to below urls

 http://jamesoff.net/site/reference/squid-log-rotation-with-newsyslog/

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-July/154219.html

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-October/021765.html




In what way does it not work?

What does newsyslog -v -F say?



Re: how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Craig Skinner
On 2015-07-13 Mon 13:25 PM |, Indunil Jayasooriya wrote:
 Hi mics,
 
 
 I want /etc/newsyslog.conf to generate /var/squid/logs/access.log  daily.
 This is the entry I have added to /etc/newsyslog.conf file. But it does NOT
 work.
 
 */var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
 @T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid   30*
 
 
 any comments ?
 

Squid can rotate its own logs.

Search for 'rotate' in squid(8) and 'logfile_rotate' in
/usr/local/share/examples/squid/squid.conf.documented
Which says: It is best to get in the habit of using
'squid -k rotate' instead of 'kill -USR1 pid'

I use a monthly _squid cron job like this:


# -- 8 --

# crontab(5) ENVIRONMENT
# PATH ( umask) defined in /etc/login.conf
MAILTO=webmaster
# ENVIRONMENT debug:
# * * * * * logname; umask; pwd; printenv | sort
@monthlynice -n 20 squid -k rotate || print $?

# -- 8 --


Edit _squid's crontab with:

$ sudo su -l -s /bin/sh _squid -c 'crontab -e'

Cheers.
-- 
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Re: Libreoffice i386 crash on 5.8 snapshot

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-07-12, Alexis Parseghian a.par...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Edgar Pettijohn
ed...@pettijohn-web.com wrote:

 Attempting to run libreoffice (be it writer, calc or the 'soffice'
 chooser component) fails with the error listed below.

 terminate called after throwing an instance of
 'com::sun::star::uno::DeploymentException'


 (more snipping : double-checking sysmerge and pkg_add -u)

 I would recommend removing it an reinstalling.  My mirror shows 4.4.3.2 to
 be the latest.   You're showing to have 4.3.5.2 installed which is probably
 what the problem is.  If you installed from ports did you update your tree
 first if not is PKG_PATH set correctly.

 I set installpath in pkg.conf, and I try to stick to packages whenever
 possible (99% of the time :) ).

 The old installed version was indeed the problem, 'pkg_delete
 libreoffice' followed by 'pkg_add libreoffice' bumped me to 4.4.3.2
 which works as expected. First time I see a package failing to upgrade
 this way, though. Maybe I missed something with the jump to snapshots
 itself ?

 Anyway, case solved.

 Thank you.



If you update to snapshots, you should run pkg_add -u, did you do that?



Re: how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Indunil Jayasooriya
I delted 30 from that line. Now it looks like this.

/var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
@T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid

Now it seems to work

# newsyslog -v -F
/var/cron/log 3Z: size (KB): 664.08 [10] -- trimming log
/var/log/authlog 7Z: age (hr): 435 [168] -- trimming log
/var/log/daemon 5Z: size (KB): 26.76 [30] -- trimming log
/var/log/lpd-errs 7Z: size (KB): 0.00 [10] -- trimming log
/var/log/maillog 4Z: -- trimming log
/var/log/messages 4Z: -- trimming log
/var/log/secure 7Z: age (hr): 461 [168] -- trimming log
/var/log/wtmp 7B: -- trimming log
/var/log/xferlog 7Z: size (KB): 0.00 [250] -- trimming log
/var/log/pflog 3ZB: size (KB): 1557278.09 [250] -- trimming log
/var/squid/logs/access.log 14Z: -- trimming log




Now I have 2 files in this way.


-rw-r-  1 _squid  _squid   28668 Jul 13 16:27 access.log
-rw-r-  1 _squid  _squid56380324 Jul 13 16:24 access.log.0.gz

Let's see tomorrow morning,



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Craig Skinner skin...@britvault.co.uk
wrote:

 On 2015-07-13 Mon 13:25 PM |, Indunil Jayasooriya wrote:
  Hi mics,
 
 
  I want /etc/newsyslog.conf to generate /var/squid/logs/access.log  daily.
  This is the entry I have added to /etc/newsyslog.conf file. But it does
 NOT
  work.
 
  */var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
  @T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid   30*
 
 
  any comments ?
 

 Squid can rotate its own logs.

 Search for 'rotate' in squid(8) and 'logfile_rotate' in
 /usr/local/share/examples/squid/squid.conf.documented
 Which says: It is best to get in the habit of using
 'squid -k rotate' instead of 'kill -USR1 pid'

 I use a monthly _squid cron job like this:


 # -- 8 --

 # crontab(5) ENVIRONMENT
 # PATH ( umask) defined in /etc/login.conf
 MAILTO=webmaster
 # ENVIRONMENT debug:
 # * * * * * logname; umask; pwd; printenv | sort
 @monthlynice -n 20 squid -k rotate || print $?

 # -- 8 --


 Edit _squid's crontab with:

 $ sudo su -l -s /bin/sh _squid -c 'crontab -e'

 Cheers.
 --
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Re: how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015/07/13 16:20, Indunil Jayasooriya wrote:
 
 Hmm,  thanks for your reply. this is the error.
 
 # newsyslog -v -F
 
 newsyslog: /etc/newsyslog.conf:18: unrecognized field: 30
 
 
 
 here's my full file
 
 
 # cat /etc/
 newsyslog.conf
  
 #   $OpenBSD: newsyslog.conf,v 1.29 2011/04/14 20:32:34 sthen Exp $
 #
 # configuration file for newsyslog
 #
 # logfile_name  owner:group mode count size when  flags
 /var/cron/log   root:wheel  600  3 10   * Z
 /var/log/aculog uucp:dialer 660  7 *    24    Z
 /var/log/authlog    root:wheel  640  7 *    168   Z
 /var/log/daemon 640  5 30   * Z
 /var/log/lpd-errs   640  7 10   * Z
 /var/log/maillog    600  4 *    $M1D0 Z
 /var/log/messages   644  4 *    $M1D0 Z
 /var/log/secure 600  7 *    168   Z
 /var/log/wtmp   644  7 *    $W6D4 B
 /var/log/xferlog    640  7 250  * Z
 /var/log/ppp.log    640  7 250  * Z
 /var/log/pflog  600  3 250  * ZB pkill
 -HUP -u root -U root -t - -x pflogd
 /var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *  
 @T00    Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid   30
 
 
 any help to correct it.

man syslog.conf says this:

 signalSpecify the signal to send to the process instead of
   SIGHUP.  Signal names must start with “SIG” and be the
   signal name, not the number, e.g., SIGUSR1.

So it looks like you need to use a name, not the number 30.



re0 device not receiving

2015-07-13 Thread The Aviator
Hello misc@,

I have a new computer with an re(4) NIC onboard, running 5.7,
GENERIC.MP#881 amd64. When I run dmesg | grep re0 I get the following

re0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Realtek 8168 rev 0x11: RTL8168G/8111G
(0x4c00), msi, address d0:50:99:26:2d:e7
rgephy0 at re0 phy7: RTL8251 PHY, rev. 0

This chip doesn't work in a way I have not seen before. It can send
packets, but doesn't receive. If I run tcpdump on re0, I can see
DHCPDISCOVER packets going out, but I don't see any network traffic
other than that. It doesn't even see the packets my other computers on
that subnet see.

I know that the first chip is sending those DHCPDISCOVER packets
because my OpenBSD gateway sees them, and responds with the correct IP
address for the MAC address.

I've manually copied down the output of: ifconfig re0

re0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
lladdr d0:50:99:26:2d:e7
priority: 0
media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause)
status: active

I have tried setting static addresses, booting into GENERIC.SP#825,
and twiddling with the options on the interface, but it still doesn't
work.

Any input on how to resolve this would be wonderful.



Re: httpd stops accepting connections after a few hours on current

2015-07-13 Thread Tor Houghton
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:52:46PM +0930, Jack Burton wrote:
  
  I don't pretend to know httpd (at all), but I'm wondering, what should
  fstat(1) say, over time, for the httpd processes?
 
 Thanks Tor -- that was exactly the clue I needed to isolate the
 problem.
 
 [snip]

 admin talks to a custom FastCGI daemon, which is most likely the culprit
 -- I'll debug it tomorrow.
 
 portal (the other HTTPS server) also talks to a (different) custom
 FastCGI daemon, but carries orders of magnitude more traffic and didn't
 have any stale sockets -- so clearly our problem is at the other end of
 admin's FastCGI socket (not with httpd itself). Sorry for the noise.
 
 Ted -- similarly, you may want to look into whatever is at the other end
 of your server1's FastCGI socket. If your issue is the same as ours,
 that's likely where you'll find the cause.
 

I am not sure you should conclude yet. I don't use FastCGI. ;-}

Now, as I write, I have 218 open fd's, compared to the 206 or whatever I had
in my previous post. I've got a few dangling :443 streams (the :80 ones
seem to disappear like they should), and then a bunch of these:

www  httpd  17244  213* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0

While I have been writing this, the recent (since this morning) fd's have
looked like this ('$' denotes end of list):

www  httpd  17244  206* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
193.214.208.185:57311
www  httpd  17244  207* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  208* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  209* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  210* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  211* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  212* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  213* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  214* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:80 -- 
66.249.78.231:59307
$

www  httpd  17244  206* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
193.214.208.185:57311
www  httpd  17244  207* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  208* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  209* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  210* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  211* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  212* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  213* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
$

Notice how 214 (:80) closed and went away. 

A few minutes later, I have these:

www  httpd  17244  206* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
193.214.208.185:57311
www  httpd  17244  207* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  208* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  209* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  210* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  211* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  212* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  213* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  214* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
86.129.139.178:60804
$

www  httpd  17244  206* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
193.214.208.185:57311
www  httpd  17244  207* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  208* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  209* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  210* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  211* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  212* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  213* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  214* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  215* internet stream tcp 0x0 *:0
www  httpd  17244  216* internet stream tcp 0x0 193.214.208.180:443 -- 
86.129.139.178:61345
$

FWIW, the following is a dump from some earlier connections from the same
client (they look too short):

07:23:48.292311 193.214.208.180.443  86.129.139.178.51968: S 
4293888040:4293888040(0) ack 147006770 win 16384 mss 
1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 3 (DF)
  : 4500 0034 2113 4000 4006 a4f2 c1d6 d0b4  E..4!.@.@...
  0010: 5681 8bb2 01bb cb00 ffef 8828 08c3 2532  V..(..%2
  0020: 8012 4000 377d  0204 05b4 0101 0402  ..@.7}..
  0030: 0103 0303

07:23:48.345674 86.129.139.178.51968  193.214.208.180.443: . ack 1 win 16698 
(DF)
  : 4500 0028 5a8a 4000 7206 3987 5681 8bb2  E..(Z.@.r.9.V...
  0010: c1d6 d0b4 cb00 01bb 08c3 2532 ffef 8829  ..%2...)
  0020: 5010 413a 7711  dd2d     P.A:w-

07:23:48.346721 86.129.139.178.51968  193.214.208.180.443: P 1:116(115) ack 1 
win 16698 (DF)
  : 4500 009b 5a8b 4000 7206 3913 5681 8bb2  E...Z.@.r.9.V...
  0010: c1d6 d0b4 cb00 01bb 08c3 2532 ffef 8829  ..%2...)
  0020: 5018 413a 0813  1603 0100 6e01   

Re: httpd stops accepting connections after a few hours on current

2015-07-13 Thread Alex Greif

Hi,

maybe this problem is related to this one?
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=143091663725238w=2

thanks,
Alex



Re: httpd stops accepting connections after a few hours on current

2015-07-13 Thread Jack Burton
On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 11:02 +0200, Tor Houghton wrote: 
 On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:56:37PM +0930, Jack Burton wrote:
  
  It is possible I simply failed to provision sufficient capacity --
  which could easily be fixed by adding a login class for www with a
  higher limit on open fds -- but I fear that might just be hiding the
  problem rather than addressing it: exhausting a 512 fd limit with with
  peak load of only 48 req/sec (and average load of 2 req/sec) just
  doesn't feel right (especially when that peak load is all 303s
  generated internally by httpd, which each take only a tiny fraction of
  a second to process).
 
 I don't pretend to know httpd (at all), but I'm wondering, what should
 fstat(1) say, over time, for the httpd processes?

Thanks Tor -- that was exactly the clue I needed to isolate the
problem.

Wrote a short script to parse the output of running fstat -p for each
running httpd (we're running with prefork 8, so I didn't fancy doing it
by hand), and report the timestamp of the last request in the relevant
access log of each client IP with an open socket (or 'missing' if no
entry in the current access log).

Ran it roughly 4 hours after the last log rotation and found only 34
matches out of 73 open sockets. We don't run anything here that would
take anywhere near 4 hours to return a response, so the 39 that didn't
match entries in any of the current access logs were clearly where I
needed to look.

All 39 related to admin -- the one HTTPS server that I hadn't spent
any time looking into (since it accounts for only 0.02% of httpd's load
here, it didn't occur to me that that tiny little thing could be
bringing httpd to its knees ... famous last words).

admin talks to a custom FastCGI daemon, which is most likely the culprit
-- I'll debug it tomorrow.

portal (the other HTTPS server) also talks to a (different) custom
FastCGI daemon, but carries orders of magnitude more traffic and didn't
have any stale sockets -- so clearly our problem is at the other end of
admin's FastCGI socket (not with httpd itself). Sorry for the noise.

Ted -- similarly, you may want to look into whatever is at the other end
of your server1's FastCGI socket. If your issue is the same as ours,
that's likely where you'll find the cause.



Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
About Thinkpad's batteries.

A bit off-topic being a hardware specific question but taking in care
several people here say to use Thinkpads (and the cost of their
batteries) I think it'll be useful for everyone to share our experience.

My experience with these laptops is short, I bought a refurbished x201
in Jan 2014 and a T420, second hand too, in Sep 2014.  The first came
with a *new* 9-cell lenovo original battery that lasts almost 6 hours
long as who sold me had promised me.

I received the T420 with a used 6-cell lenovo original battery that gave
me barely 2 hours.  I presumed it'd give me 6 like the x201 with
a 9-cell one, so I bought through ebay a *supposed* lenovo original
new 9-cell battery that suddenly *died* after 15 days of use :-).  The
vendor refunded me the money so the second time I bought some of those
*trade-less* 9-cell ones you find in ebay.  That's the one I have in use
since Dec 2014.  Initially it lasted ~4.5 hours, but now, after 7 months
of use, it lasts no longer than 2 hours.

As I told you my experience with these laptops (and laptops in general)
is short so I don't know if I wasn't lucky or those in forums that
assure these batteries can give *15 hours* did the test in suspended to
RAM state :-).

Did some of you get 15 hours from some of these batteries?  If that's
true, what tech specs should I take in care at time to buy a new one?


Walter



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Re: mail server on rental server , cannot send gmail.com

2015-07-13 Thread Tuyosi Takesima

thnks your advice .
i shoud  study postfix sasl reading following your teaching .

 http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relay_from
etc

i lookup thunderbird's automatic setting.
port 587
connection security :none
authentification method: passwd, tranmitted insecurely

is it possible to fake IPV4 adress ?
if so the internet address system  collapsed .


regards



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Michael McConville
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 04:39:39PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
 On 2015-07-02, Patrik Lundin pat...@sigterm.se wrote:
 
  In summary, using the following commands (together with ip6
  forwarding enabled) allows us to have a working setup without any
  other manual intervention:
 ===
  # ifconfig em0 inet6 autoconf
  # ifconfig em1 inet6 autoconf
  # dhcp6c -Df -c /etc/dhcp6c.conf em0 
  # rtadvd em1 
 ===
 
  But like stated initially, we do not really like the idea of
  enabling autoconf on em1.
 
 Once you get that far, you might notice that dynamic addresses for
 your network are rather inconvenient.  You'll need to update all
 references to your internal hosts in
 * pf.conf
 * DNS zones
 * ... any other daemons that might refer to them ...
 
 You'll also need to distribute the addresses to your hosts.  If you
 don't like SLAAC-style addresses, you'll need DHCPv6.  Which you might
 also need for the nameserver, NTP server, etc.
 
 Out of the box, OpenBSD is poorly equipped for all of this.

I found setting up IPv6 on a Comcast home network to be very painful.

Part of it was that you need inbound IPv6 ICMP and UDP ports open. This
seems like a fundamentally bad idea because it prevents client machines
from just blocking all incoming connections (something I've done since
starting with OpenBSD). Also, DHCPv4 seems to do fine without incoming
connections. Maybe there's a good reason for them, though.

Here's the guide that solved my pf woes:

http://pivotallabs.com/configuring-freebsd-9-1-as-an-ipv6-dhcp-client/

I was considering trying to develop a tool to make it a smoother
process. However, it increasingly seems like a consequence of DHCPv6
being unnecessarily complex.



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Michael McConville
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:12:50PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
 The client doesn't need inbound UDP ports to be open. The OpenBSD
 firewall do, if you're using DHCPv6 to configure it. If using SLAAC,
 only RS and RA icmp messages are needed. Since stateless configuration
 is done using multicast (ff02) and link-local (fe80) addresses, no
 need to worry. You can even make a rule allowing only your CPE
 link-local, if you want.

I stand corrected.

I just disabled all of my IPv6-related pf exceptions and it still works.
I must have inadvertantly fixed something else when I added them.

 You don't need DHCPv6. I use stateless both for my firewall getting
 it's IPv6 address from the CPE and for it advertising the prefix on
 the internal network. Most modern systems can configure the dns using
 stateless configuration. So only a subset of ICMPv6 messages need to
 be allowed both on the router and clients.

Also correct. I just checked, and Comcast home routers let you choose
between stateless and stateful IPv6 config in their control panel.

Sorry for the noise,
Michael



Re: Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread lists
It is reasonable to expect reduced lifetime on refurbished systems for
their batteries, fans, and keyboards, cabling, plastic casing, hinges,
light sources for display and indication etc. The value of using
pre-owned laptops is questionable unless specifically addressing the
favourite brand/models, though for technical people it's a good source
of savings, tinkering options and overall fun times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Battery_life

All batteries use chemical elements that wear off depending on:

- charge/recharge pattern
- number of cycles
- temperature
- usage pattern (drain current/speed/depth of depletion)
- storage pattern
- general longevity of the chemical system

The laptop manufacturer has calculated a typical usage pattern and
expiration date. Much can be done to address this, yet not much can be
done to escape the physical and chemical processes. In the end, all
batteries age and need replacement, always sooner than desired.

What may be worth mentioning is that many unnamed sellers online ship
unoriginal, unofficial, knock-off, replacements, or merely lower
quality items, some of which may have been binned at the factory and/or
exported without quality control. Or simply not as good as the
original.

There are also better than original parts, when the capacity of the
battery may be larger in the same casing. It is reasonable to order a
battery when you need it, and not years ahead though see above storage
affects the performance.

As much as official (branded etc) sales chains bring problems with
pricing and availability, it may be worth using them for batteries and
recycle responsibly. You can get lucky replacing the elements in the
battery pack, though not recommended for people without electrical
engineering knowledge.

The so called original parts are overpriced, so you can invest the same
money in several knock-off batteries and not worry much, or use an
external battery + inverter, or better direct feed the DC stabilised as
in place of the AC charger.

If monstrous battery time is required, one can always use more than one
battery, internal and/or external (jump-start packs), car adaptor plug +
inverter with the stock AC adaptor etc. Use your imagination what you
can stick in a tough rucksack, example can be followed by searching
online what amateur radio techs do for their field / mobile stations.
For general use though, the internal battery is just as good, and
depending on your enthusiasm this can get you far.

Much of the above is general knowledge, and personal opinion only. Your
mileage may vary greatly, and there are a ton of places for bad
practices or bad luck. Some batteries though can last 5-6 years of
moderate usage quite well. Please add more interesting suggestions or
correct blunt edges.



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini

Em 13-07-2015 14:42, Michael McConville escreveu:

Part of it was that you need inbound IPv6 ICMP and UDP ports open. This
seems like a fundamentally bad idea because it prevents client machines
from just blocking all incoming connections (something I've done since
starting with OpenBSD).


The client doesn't need inbound UDP ports to be open. The OpenBSD 
firewall do, if you're using DHCPv6 to configure it. If using SLAAC, 
only RS and RA icmp messages are needed. Since stateless configuration 
is done using multicast (ff02) and link-local (fe80) addresses, no need 
to worry. You can even make a rule allowing only your CPE link-local, if 
you want.



  Also, DHCPv4 seems to do fine without incoming
connections. Maybe there's a good reason for them, though.


DHCPv4 needs port 68 udp to be open. The difference is that many 
firewall implementations (not pf) have this allowed in their default 
configuration.




Here's the guide that solved my pf woes:

http://pivotallabs.com/configuring-freebsd-9-1-as-an-ipv6-dhcp-client/

I was considering trying to develop a tool to make it a smoother
process. However, it increasingly seems like a consequence of DHCPv6
being unnecessarily complex.

You don't need DHCPv6. I use stateless both for my firewall getting it's 
IPv6 address from the CPE and for it advertising the prefix on the 
internal network. Most modern systems can configure the dns using 
stateless configuration. So only a subset of ICMPv6 messages need to be 
allowed both on the router and clients.


Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini

Em 13-07-2015 13:39, Christian Weisgerber escreveu:

Once you get that far, you might notice that dynamic addresses for
your network are rather inconvenient.  You'll need to update all
references to your internal hosts in
* pf.conf
* DNS zones
* ... any other daemons that might refer to them ...


And you need to reload you pf rules when any of them changes (specially 
privacy addresses).




You'll also need to distribute the addresses to your hosts.  If you
don't like SLAAC-style addresses, you'll need DHCPv6.  Which you
might also need for the nameserver, NTP server, etc.


This for a IPv6 only network. My approach is to keep the RFC 1918 
internal IPv4 net for these.




Out of the box, OpenBSD is poorly equipped for all of this.


Agreed. On the other hand it's quite equipped in the routing and 
firewalling of IPv6 networks. Even NAT64 is simple to do with pf.




I recently switched ISPs and the new one offers native IPv6 the
TR-187 way, but given that level of pain I'll stay with my SixXS
tunnel and my static /48 for the time being.


I'm doing the exact same thing. My tunnel have an acceptable latency 
and, since I'm using it only for a site to site VPN, I'll stay with it 
for a while. But my ISP is implementing native IPv6 and sooner or later 
I'll have to deal with this. So will you.


Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini



Re: Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
 I bought a refurbished x201 in Jan 2014 and a T420...

Sorry, I'm getting old and idiot.  The laptop isn't a T420, it's a T410.


Walter



Re: Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
 This doesn't directly apply to OpenBSD, but it gives you an idea of
 the complexity:

 https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption

Good info.

Thanks,


Walter



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2015-07-02, Patrik Lundin pat...@sigterm.se wrote:

 In summary, using the following commands (together with ip6 forwarding 
 enabled)
 allows us to have a working setup without any other manual intervention:
===
 # ifconfig em0 inet6 autoconf
 # ifconfig em1 inet6 autoconf
 # dhcp6c -Df -c /etc/dhcp6c.conf em0 
 # rtadvd em1 
===

 But like stated initially, we do not really like the idea of enabling autoconf
 on em1.

Once you get that far, you might notice that dynamic addresses for
your network are rather inconvenient.  You'll need to update all
references to your internal hosts in
* pf.conf
* DNS zones
* ... any other daemons that might refer to them ...

You'll also need to distribute the addresses to your hosts.  If you
don't like SLAAC-style addresses, you'll need DHCPv6.  Which you
might also need for the nameserver, NTP server, etc.

Out of the box, OpenBSD is poorly equipped for all of this.

I recently switched ISPs and the new one offers native IPv6 the
TR-187 way, but given that level of pain I'll stay with my SixXS
tunnel and my static /48 for the time being.

-- 
Christian naddy Weisgerber  na...@mips.inka.de



Re: Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2015-07-13, Walter Alejandro Iglesias roque...@gmail.com wrote:

 About Thinkpad's batteries.

I think very little can be said.  Too much depends on the model,
the condition of the batteries, and your usage pattern.  There's a
big difference whether you run make -j4 build or stare at vi in an
xterm.  Apart from CPU load, display brightness is probably the
single biggest factor.

The battery sensors may be useful:

hw.sensors.acpibat0.volt0=11.10 VDC (voltage)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.volt1=12.55 VDC (current voltage)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.power0=8.86 W (rate)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour0=46.54 Wh (last full capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour1=2.33 Wh (warning capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour2=0.20 Wh (low capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour3=46.18 Wh (remaining capacity), OK
hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour4=62.16 Wh (design capacity)
hw.sensors.acpibat0.raw0=1 (battery discharging), OK

This tells us that this, IIRC, approximately three-year-old battery
in my X230 is now reduced to ~75% of its design capacity.

 As I told you my experience with these laptops (and laptops in general)
 is short so I don't know if I wasn't lucky or those in forums that
 assure these batteries can give *15 hours* did the test in suspended to
 RAM state :-).

Maximizing laptop runtime can't be accomplished by one big button,
but involves many small optimizations.  Apparently the MS Windows
installs shipped with most laptops are quite effective in this
regard.

Somebody wrote up possible power-saving measures for FreeBSD on a
laptop.  This doesn't directly apply to OpenBSD, but it gives you
an idea of the complexity:
https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption

-- 
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Re: how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-07-13, Indunil Jayasooriya induni...@gmail.com wrote:
 I delted 30 from that line. Now it looks like this.

 /var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
 @T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid

 Now it seems to work

But now it sends the default signal which is HUP. In Squid, this drains
existing connections and reloads the configuration, blocking new connections
while that occurs. You probably want USR1.



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote:
 I’d love it if someone would be open to spending the time to do a
 “PHD” write up on getting OpenBSD base usable as a stateless IPv6
 router/firewall with Comcast.  While I agree that write ups like these
 should be unnecessary, and man pages should have all the relevant
 information needed for someone to do this without hand holding, IPv6
 is still “new,” has a lot of moving parts and still isn’t widely used.
 For one, I didn’t know all of this could be done without DHCPv6 so I’m
 very interested in doing this at home.

 Thanks.

I meant to say PHD as in “Push Here Dummy.”  Cheers.



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Michael McConville
mmcconvi...@mykolab.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 03:12:50PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
 The client doesn't need inbound UDP ports to be open. The OpenBSD
 firewall do, if you're using DHCPv6 to configure it. If using SLAAC,
 only RS and RA icmp messages are needed. Since stateless configuration
 is done using multicast (ff02) and link-local (fe80) addresses, no
 need to worry. You can even make a rule allowing only your CPE
 link-local, if you want.

 I stand corrected.

 I just disabled all of my IPv6-related pf exceptions and it still works.
 I must have inadvertantly fixed something else when I added them.

 You don't need DHCPv6. I use stateless both for my firewall getting
 it's IPv6 address from the CPE and for it advertising the prefix on
 the internal network. Most modern systems can configure the dns using
 stateless configuration. So only a subset of ICMPv6 messages need to
 be allowed both on the router and clients.

 Also correct. I just checked, and Comcast home routers let you choose
 between stateless and stateful IPv6 config in their control panel.

 Sorry for the noise,
 Michael

I’d love it if someone would be open to spending the time to do a
“PHD” write up on getting OpenBSD base usable as a stateless IPv6
router/firewall with Comcast.  While I agree that write ups like these
should be unnecessary, and man pages should have all the relevant
information needed for someone to do this without hand holding, IPv6
is still “new,” has a lot of moving parts and still isn’t widely used.
For one, I didn’t know all of this could be done without DHCPv6 so I’m
very interested in doing this at home.

Thanks.



Re: SOHO IPv6 router problems

2015-07-13 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini

Em 13-07-2015 17:42, Daniel Melameth escreveu:

I’d love it if someone would be open to spending the time to do a
“PHD” write up on getting OpenBSD base usable as a stateless IPv6
router/firewall with Comcast.  While I agree that write ups like these
should be unnecessary, and man pages should have all the relevant
information needed for someone to do this without hand holding, IPv6
is still “new,” has a lot of moving parts and still isn’t widely used.
For one, I didn’t know all of this could be done without DHCPv6 so I’m
very interested in doing this at home.

Well,

I prepared myself studying IPv6 years ago using tunnel brokers like 
sixxs. You can find a lot of relevant information on the man pages, but, 
since a man page is better to be simple and clean, some things need 
RFC's digging and/or source code. I will take some time in the near 
future to try to port a NDP proxy to OpenBSD. I'm currently using a 
bridge firewall between my CPE and the client machines. While this 
works, the machines get the DNS servers from the CPE, and not from my 
firewall, which is far from optimal. But I can at least filter on the 
packets as they pass through my bridge. Better to have the clients talk 
directly to the CPE,which, by the way, comes from factory with no 
firewall enabled. Any connection from outside gets routed to the 
clients. Better enable firewall on your clients too. You never know when 
you will connect to an IPv6 enabled network that routes every incoming 
connection. I know, I know, end to end connectivity, etc. But people 
aren't prepared to this. The CPE routers today do not allow incoming 
connections, because we have to use NAT. So it would never know where to 
forward the packets to, unless you tell it to. But, with IPv6 end to 
end, there will be a lot of people that will be caught off guard, 
specially because almost every OS (except OpenBSD) will automatically 
configure IPv6 if present.


Cheers,
Giancarlo Razzolini



Re: Thinkpad Batteries

2015-07-13 Thread Karel Gardas
FYI: I have T500, bought 9 cell battery 2 years ago? or was it 3
years? hw.sensors tells me that design capacity is 84.24Wh and that
current capacity is  57.01Wh. Note that battery as it is was barely
used since I don't use this computer that much recent years. I'm just
using it more 2-3 last weeks going out and hence batter is used
(finally). I remember it was 57.7Wh current when I started
experimenting with OpenBSD on it (2-3 weeks ago), now it's 57.01Wh
this is after about 13-17 recharge (not fulll!) cycles.
So well, batteries are expensive and do not last that long at the end.
Cheers,
Karel

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias
roque...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote:
 I bought a refurbished x201 in Jan 2014 and a T420...

 Sorry, I'm getting old and idiot.  The laptop isn't a T420, it's a T410.


 Walter



Re: httpd stops accepting connections after a few hours on current

2015-07-13 Thread Edgar Pettijohn

In my very limited test I could only hang up a server on 443 not 80.



odd behaviour of spamdb

2015-07-13 Thread Markus Rosjat

hi there,

I have a script the following script to delete spam mx ip from the spamd 
whitelist and write them in my own blacklist. After that I reload the 
blacklist with spamd- setup.  This seems to work but I noticed when the 
same ip has another mail in the greylist the ip becomes whitelisted if 
the delivery attempt is successful (which it shouldnt in the first place 
because I trapped the ip and put it in my blacklist). This seems like an 
odd behaviour to me, its not the end of the world but it feels kinda 
wrong :)


here is the script:

ip_range=$1

for i in `spamdb | grep $ip_range | grep WHITE | awk -F | '{print $2}'`;
 do
  echo $i
  /usr/sbin/spamdb -d $i
  /usr/sbin/spamdb -a -t $i
  echo $i  /etc/mail/blacksheep.txt
 done

/usr/libexec/spamd-setup

maybe someone give me some hints for improvement

regards

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Dell FX2 or Huawei E9000 dmesg(s), anyone?

2015-07-13 Thread OpenBSD user
Would anyone care to share amd64 dmesg(s) from
Dell FX2 or Huawei E9000?

Would be truly grateful!



Re: mail server on rental server , cannot send gmail.com

2015-07-13 Thread Tuyosi Takesima
Hi,all.

perhaps i solved the quize to send and rcieve email .

openbsd mail server (this has main cf)
|
internet
|
1.2.3.4
router
|
dhcp
linux(thunderberd)


in /etc/postfix/main.cf
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 1.2.3.4/32


1.2.3.4 is obtaind curl ifconfig.me on linux .
or show  ifonfig.me on firefox

details is on http://aoiyuma.mydns.jp/mail-server.html*
*
---
regards
*
*



how to add squid access log in /etc/newsyslog.conf

2015-07-13 Thread Indunil Jayasooriya
Hi mics,


I want /etc/newsyslog.conf to generate /var/squid/logs/access.log  daily.
This is the entry I have added to /etc/newsyslog.conf file. But it does NOT
work.

*/var/squid/logs/access.log  _squid:_squid   640 14  *
@T00Z   /var/squid/logs/squid.pid   30*


any comments ?


I referred to below urls

http://jamesoff.net/site/reference/squid-log-rotation-with-newsyslog/

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-July/154219.html

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-October/021765.html



-- 
cat /etc/motd

Thank you
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Fonts



Re: odd behaviour of spamdb

2015-07-13 Thread patrick keshishian
On 7/13/15, Markus Rosjat ros...@ghweb.de wrote:
 hi there,

 I have a script the following script to delete spam mx ip from the spamd
 whitelist and write them in my own blacklist. After that I reload the
 blacklist with spamd- setup.  This seems to work but I noticed when the
 same ip has another mail in the greylist the ip becomes whitelisted if
 the delivery attempt is successful (which it shouldnt in the first place
 because I trapped the ip and put it in my blacklist). This seems like an
 odd behaviour to me, its not the end of the world but it feels kinda
 wrong :)

If i understand your message correctly, after removal of the ip
from the WHITE list, it still remains in the GREY, which will be
WHITE-listed again, on the next spamd scan (60 second interval),
thus, allowing for the successful delivery.

To see this with an IP that has been WHITE-listed, but still in
the GREY, do:

$ spamdb | grep $ip
WHITE|$ip|...
GREY|$ip|...
$ spamdb -d $ip
$ spamdb | grep $ip
GREY|$ip|...
$ sleep 60
$ spamdb | grep $ip
WHITE|$ip|...
GREY|$ip|...


As a side note, your awk bit can be replaced by a `cut -d \| -f 2'.

--patrick


 here is the script:

 ip_range=$1

 for i in `spamdb | grep $ip_range | grep WHITE | awk -F | '{print $2}'`;
   do
echo $i
/usr/sbin/spamdb -d $i
/usr/sbin/spamdb -a -t $i
echo $i  /etc/mail/blacksheep.txt
   done

 /usr/libexec/spamd-setup

 maybe someone give me some hints for improvement

 regards

 --
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Re: odd behaviour of spamdb

2015-07-13 Thread Markus Rosjat

Am 13.07.2015 um 10:07 schrieb patrick keshishian:

On 7/13/15, Markus Rosjat ros...@ghweb.de wrote:

hi there,

I have a script the following script to delete spam mx ip from the spamd
whitelist and write them in my own blacklist. After that I reload the
blacklist with spamd- setup.  This seems to work but I noticed when the
same ip has another mail in the greylist the ip becomes whitelisted if
the delivery attempt is successful (which it shouldnt in the first place
because I trapped the ip and put it in my blacklist). This seems like an
odd behaviour to me, its not the end of the world but it feels kinda
wrong :)

If i understand your message correctly, after removal of the ip
from the WHITE list, it still remains in the GREY, which will be
WHITE-listed again, on the next spamd scan (60 second interval),
thus, allowing for the successful delivery.
well after the first run of the script the ip should be trapped and in 
my opinion the grey mail shouldnt white list  the ip again. I just saw 
this behaviour  2 times with the same ip because they sent the mail to 3 
different mailaddresses.

To see this with an IP that has been WHITE-listed, but still in
the GREY, do:

$ spamdb | grep $ip
WHITE|$ip|...
GREY|$ip|...
$ spamdb -d $ip
$ spamdb | grep $ip
GREY|$ip|...
$ sleep 60
$ spamdb | grep $ip
WHITE|$ip|...
GREY|$ip|...


As a side note, your awk bit can be replaced by a `cut -d \| -f 2'.

 thanks for the hint :)

--patrick



here is the script:

ip_range=$1

for i in `spamdb | grep $ip_range | grep WHITE | awk -F | '{print $2}'`;
   do
echo $i
/usr/sbin/spamdb -d $i
/usr/sbin/spamdb -a -t $i
echo $i  /etc/mail/blacksheep.txt
   done

/usr/libexec/spamd-setup

maybe someone give me some hints for improvement

regards

--
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